- Aug 1, 2003
menglish6 said:Does this new study get filed in the "we all saw this coming" category?
HellonWheels said:Sure does! In fact news reports now are saying that former Pres Clinton is going to have to have quadrupple bypass heart surgery, his heart is heavily blocked. And he was on the South Beach (lowcarb) diet for the past year.
Triodelover said:South Beach and Atkins are very different <a href="http://www.ntsearch.com/search.php?q=diets&v=56">diets</a>. Dr Agatson, the cardiologist that developed the diet, goes to great length to differentiate between "good" carbs (i.e. cpmplex carbs like whole grains) and "bad" carbs, as well as "good" fats versus bad one (olive oil = good, certain fish fats = good).
You can eat very well on South beach and after Phase 1 (two weeks), you start bringing the good carbs back into the <a href="http://www.ntsearch.com/search.php?q=diet&v=56">diet</a>. One must remember that this is a <a href="http://www.ntsearch.com/search.php?q=diet&v=56">diet</a> designed by his cardiologist for his patients, who aren't lilely to be numbered among the most physically active or fit in the population. They need a <a href="http://www.ntsearch.com/search.php?q=diet&v=56">diet</a> that can get the weight off in a healthy way even though they can't cycle 2 hours/day.
The other aspect of South Beach is a focus on eating habits that increase cravings (foods that produce rapid insulin spikes) making it difficult for the dieters to break the eating habits that got them in a place where they need the <a href="http://www.ntsearch.com/search.php?q=diet&v=56">diet</a> in the first place. So it's recommended that dieters reduce their intake of caffinated <a href="http://www.ntsearch.com/search.php?q=coffee&v=56">coffee</a>, as well as limiting fruits to early and midday consumption.
I'm not saying it's for everyone, but it is a far sounder <a href="http://www.ntsearch.com/search.php?q=diet&v=56">diet</a> (IMO, but the literature supports this) than Atkins. But then when the developer of a <a href="http://www.ntsearch.com/search.php?q=diet&v=56">diet</a> dies at 72 of congestive heart failure, it's not exactly a ringing endorsement.
Without modification, South Beach isn't going to work for the active who need to manage their weight, even if they've only recently become active. The calorie intake isn't enough and more complex carbs are needed as a percentage of the overall <a href="http://www.ntsearch.com/search.php?q=diet&v=56">diet</a> than what SB recommends.
As far as former President Clinton goes, I suspect all those Big Macs and pizzas with Monica had more to do with his comndition than a few weeks on the South Beach <a href="http://www.ntsearch.com/search.php?q=diet&v=56">diet</a>.
HellonWheels said:I generally agree that SB is safer than Atkins, but my gripe even with SB is there is STILL a period when even "GOOD" (complex) carbs are reduced to an extreme degree, or eliminated. This cannot possibly be healthy, esp. for cyclists and other active people. But for sedentary ppl its probably not a bad idea.
BTW Clinton was on SB for a year, not a few weeks.
Triodelover said:The problem with your "gripe" is that highly active <a href="http://www.ntsearch.com/search.php?q=people&v=56">people</a> rarely need the assistance of a weight-loss regimen, so there is no reason for these folks to consider SB to begin with. But if this board is in any way representative, there is a significant segment of <a href="http://www.ntsearch.com/search.php?q=posters&v=56">posters</a> who are beginning/returning/increasing their cycling in an attempt to lose excess weight and become more fit.
These <a href="http://www.ntsearch.com/search.php?q=people&v=56">people</a> aren't ready to stoke themselves with a lot of carbs. They got to be overweight somehow, and it's reasonable to think that overcomsumption of carbs, particularly simple carbs, is part of the reason. Carbs are responsible for quick rises in blood glycogen, thereby leadin to insulin spikes. For those who are in the process of ramping up to more activity and trying to control their <a href="http://www.ntsearch.com/search.php?q=diet&v=56">diet</a>, this makes getting their eating under control extremely difficult. If you crave <a href="http://www.ntsearch.com/search.php?q=food&v=56">food</a> all the <a href="http://www.ntsearch.com/search.php?q=time&v=56">time</a>, eventually you give in. So there is good reason to reducr carb intake at the beginning of a weight-loss regimen.
I dunno.....in 2001 I weighed 305 lbs. I was not active other than walking to get places. Today I weigh 145 lbs and I did not cut out carbs at all, just went lower fat and reduced portion sizes. I also exercise daily, in addition to bike rides on weekends. I didn't "need" to cut out or even reduce carbs, just reduce FOOD INTAKE, PERIOD. No matter WHERE you reduce from...fat or carbs, you reduce CALORIES. Its not the TYPE of food, its HOW MUCH OF IT you eat.
HellonWheels said:Its not the TYPE of food, its HOW MUCH OF IT you eat.
Olasnah said:Totally agree. I lost 30lbs in less than 2months by cutting down on portions, and just not eating the same garbage I had been, replacing the morning pop-tarts with bananas and cereal.
There's no diet like the 'exercise' diet.
Olasnah said:[<><>So it was not only the calories, but the "garbage" you had been eating. My point exactly - it's quantity and quality. <><>]
Well I never went to any special guides to learn what to eat. I still eat Pizzas, a couple of M&M's every now and then, chicken, steak, etc. All the regular things people eat. (Never did fast food much, even before losing weight) If there is anything I would quantify as that 'garbage', it would have to be soft drinks.
[<><>What about the people who need to lose weight but whose age or physical condition proscribes vigorous exercise?<><>]
Reduce portions. I lost much of my weight by doing that. When I started losing large amounts, the inclination to 'eat right' seemed to come naturally. The only drastic change in my menu was the soft drinks being cut out.
Triodelover said:Of course, if you're young - and I suspect you are (there's an air of certitude that gives you away) - you may not need to heed any of this. But our metabolism changes as we age. So must our diets and our approach to weight management. Not a college student by any chance?
Maybe I'm the oddball here but although its true your metab changes as you age, I'm 45 years old and LOST a ton of weight AFTER reaching 40. I was thin when I was a teen and in my early 20s, but after marriage I put on lots of weight. So, I was fat when I was YOUNGER, but once I hit 42 I decided to change my life around....cycle again, exercise, eat lowfat, healthy, and wham! the weight just came off easily.