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Tom Sherman
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Tom Keats wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Tom Sherman <[email protected]> writes:
>
>>> It would take a total schlemiel or somebody with duck feet
>>> to get his flat-soled, uncleated street shoes hung-up on
>>> my plastic, wide toe-box MTB clips & cordura straps.
>>> <shrug> What can I say?
>>>
>> When did flat soled, street shoes come into the picture?
>
> When I put them into the picture, 'cuz that's what
> I normally wear. I'll allow treaded soles on
> shin-biter pedals equipped w/ clips might cause
> probs.
Yep.
> But I haven't experienced any foot extraction
> problems, even with my work boots -- which, incidentally,
> fit (more or less) into my clips-&-straps combination.
> The only problem I have experienced in that regard is the
> straps chafing away at the boots' uppers. That could be
> the result of my abnormally high instep.
>
>>> They work, and they work safely
>>> for me. And the clips provide the additional advantage
>>> of serving as armatures around which I wrap lengths of
>>> cut-off inner tube (attached w/ small zipties) to keep my
>>> feet dry in the rain, and warm in the cold wind, so I don't
>>> need to buy special shoes which need special booties in
>>> adverse weather.
>>>
>> But the clips provide poor foot retention unless the straps are cinched
>> tight.
>
> Not mine. I just leave the straps set at a certain tautness.
> I can slide my shoes into and out of them with ease, and they
> still provide good enough retention to at least one-leggedly
> pedal up a 3 or 4% grade. If I had the leg strength, maybe
> I could one-leggedly pedal up even steeper grades with 'em.
>
Not enough retention for "honking", certainly.
>> Clips and straps are obsolete technology, and with good reason.
>
> There are various kinds of clips/straps. My MTB setup is nothing
> like those double-whammy track arrangements, or those old-skool,
> roadies' narrow, pointy, metal clips w/ "little leather belts"
> for straps.
The old road clip at least provided positive foot retention, when used
with a slotted cleat. Of course, unlike SPuDs, that mean a shoe that
could barely be walked in.
> My plastic-y/rubbery clips & cordura straps have
> a certain amount of stretchy "give". That give allows me to
> easily slide into or out of them, but once my shoes are in 'em,
> they clamp around my shoes more eagerly than the antibodies
> which surrounded Raquel Welch in "Fantastic Journey." But
> not quite as tightly, and I don't need Donald Pleasance to
> pull 'em off (thank goodness.)
>
Why not get Power Grips then? Easier entry and exit, better foot
retention, compatible with any shoes AND lower cost?
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Tom Sherman <[email protected]> writes:
>
>>> It would take a total schlemiel or somebody with duck feet
>>> to get his flat-soled, uncleated street shoes hung-up on
>>> my plastic, wide toe-box MTB clips & cordura straps.
>>> <shrug> What can I say?
>>>
>> When did flat soled, street shoes come into the picture?
>
> When I put them into the picture, 'cuz that's what
> I normally wear. I'll allow treaded soles on
> shin-biter pedals equipped w/ clips might cause
> probs.
Yep.
> But I haven't experienced any foot extraction
> problems, even with my work boots -- which, incidentally,
> fit (more or less) into my clips-&-straps combination.
> The only problem I have experienced in that regard is the
> straps chafing away at the boots' uppers. That could be
> the result of my abnormally high instep.
>
>>> They work, and they work safely
>>> for me. And the clips provide the additional advantage
>>> of serving as armatures around which I wrap lengths of
>>> cut-off inner tube (attached w/ small zipties) to keep my
>>> feet dry in the rain, and warm in the cold wind, so I don't
>>> need to buy special shoes which need special booties in
>>> adverse weather.
>>>
>> But the clips provide poor foot retention unless the straps are cinched
>> tight.
>
> Not mine. I just leave the straps set at a certain tautness.
> I can slide my shoes into and out of them with ease, and they
> still provide good enough retention to at least one-leggedly
> pedal up a 3 or 4% grade. If I had the leg strength, maybe
> I could one-leggedly pedal up even steeper grades with 'em.
>
Not enough retention for "honking", certainly.
>> Clips and straps are obsolete technology, and with good reason.
>
> There are various kinds of clips/straps. My MTB setup is nothing
> like those double-whammy track arrangements, or those old-skool,
> roadies' narrow, pointy, metal clips w/ "little leather belts"
> for straps.
The old road clip at least provided positive foot retention, when used
with a slotted cleat. Of course, unlike SPuDs, that mean a shoe that
could barely be walked in.
> My plastic-y/rubbery clips & cordura straps have
> a certain amount of stretchy "give". That give allows me to
> easily slide into or out of them, but once my shoes are in 'em,
> they clamp around my shoes more eagerly than the antibodies
> which surrounded Raquel Welch in "Fantastic Journey." But
> not quite as tightly, and I don't need Donald Pleasance to
> pull 'em off (thank goodness.)
>
Why not get Power Grips then? Easier entry and exit, better foot
retention, compatible with any shoes AND lower cost?
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful