Leblanc Sends Warning to Demonstrators



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David Ryan <[email protected]> wrote:
> Tom Paterson wrote:
>>
>> >From: David Ryan
>>
>> >When those other people decide they aren't worth it and keep their money, they decide to demand
>> >they're owed a living. The parasites should all starve and die (or get a job) and everyone else
>> >will be better off. Good grief, the depths they've sunk to and the lousy attitude that's been
>> >engendered by years of socialism and the sense of entitlement simply because they exist.
>>
>> You seem to have missed the part about communities that rely on tourism suffering economically at
>> the loss of these seasonal workers. IOW, "everyone" was not better off.

> Everyone, including all the taxpayers across the country paying the subsidies, will be better off
> with a market equilibrium.

Then why is the right so concerned when cultural institutions sudden scream in fiscal desperation?

>> So, construction workers who draw unemployment in the winter, are they parasites too? Or is it
>> just that "art" is bad?

> Most construction projects do the indoor work in the winter.

Oh, like my friends who do roofing. Good to know. I'll inform them what lazy leeches they are.

>> Or maybe that welfare (tax rebates and free stadiums for mega-wealthy sports franchise owners) is
>> only good for the rich?
>>
>> Speaking of lousy attitudes and feelings of entitlement, where does "build me a facility or I'll
>> go elsewhere" fit in? "Socialism" works real well for those at the top, right, David? How about
>> these guys start operating in your "real world" and have to buy their own playpens and pay taxes
>> on them like the little guys do in their business enterprises? --Tom Paterson

> I agree totally, completely, emphatically with your last point. My vote and voice FWIW is always
> against that.

> Unless maybe they want to build a velodrome ;-) (Which never happens, so I've never had to face
> that conflict.)
 
David Ryan <[email protected]> wrote:
> Clovis Lark wrote:
>>
>> David Ryan <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > Clovis Lark wrote:
>> >>
>> >> S. Anderson <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> > "Lindsay" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >> > news:[email protected]...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Tour Director Sends Warning to Demonstrators
>> >> >>
>> >> >> NARBONNE, France (Reuters) - Tour de France director Jean-Marie Leblanc on Wednesday warned
>> >> >> demonstrators against disrupting the race.
>> >>
>> >> > <<snip..>>
>> >>
>> >> >> "If on the other hand people attack riders or try to stop the peloton, then we cannot
>> >> >> guarantee anything. Security services will do their job and you know what I mean," he said.
>> >>
>> >> > <<snip..>>
>> >>
>> >> > Heehee..wonder what he means by this?? Does anybody know if these artists are employed by
>> >> > the government? What do they do exactly?
>> >>
>> >> > Seriously curious,
>> >>
>> >> Since you are: These are seasonal artists who are employed contractually to short term
>> >> projects (festivals, specific tours, etc.) by those organizations. When not so employed, they
>> >> are out of work. They have been able to collect unemployment compensation in the past when
>> >> these opportunities were not available that allowed them to continue focusing and refining
>> >> their abilities as artists with the hope of mainstream employment. For this reason, french
>> >> aspiring artists with the technical credentials have been able to keep table waiting and
>> >> temporary office work to a minimum. Chirac want s to curtail this. As a result the major
>> >> french festivals of Avignon, Aix, etc are closed. Businesses are hurting and support for these
>> >> festivals' futures are in doubt. For the communities who rely on this cultural tourism, this
>> >> is a nightmare. Understandably, there is a great deal of worry and concern.
>> >>
>> >> > Scott..
>>
>> > IOW, they can't deal with real life and want somebody else to pay their upkeep. When those
>> > other people decide they aren't worth it and keep their money, they decide to demand they're
>> > owed a living.
>>
>> Try and secure a better argument. When was the last time you supported a cultural institution?

> It's a great argument if you haven't been dulled your whole life by socialist propaganda.

Well folks, I guess that answers that question, doesn't it.

> I support what I like and what interests me with my patronage.

When the government withdraws funding, institutions raise tickets prices to attempt to cover the
deficit. Prices reach the stratosphere and there goes the general public's ability to attend.

> I expect others will voluntarily do the same.

The the Bushies won't do what you ask.

> I object to money being taken at gunpoint for others' pet projects and so-called culture. If
> people don't care enough to voluntarily support it, it isn't really their culture, now is it?

Certainly not, in your case.

>> > The parasites should all starve and die (or get a job) and everyone else will be better off.
>> > Good grief, the depths they've sunk to and the lousy attitude that's been engendered by years
>> > of socialism and the sense of entitlement simply because they exist.
>>
>> How old are you?

> Looking for the ad hominem are we? What is your IQ?

5. Now try and top that, if you can...

> Sorry if that's the best you can do.

At least I bought my bikes.
 
Top Sirloin <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 18:24:08 GMT, "Kurgan Gringioni"
> <[email protected]> wrote:

>>
>>"David Ryan" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>>> > Try and secure a better argument. When was the last time you supported a cultural institution?
>>>
>>> It's a great argument if you haven't been dulled your whole life by socialist propaganda.
>>>
>>> I support what I like and what interests me with my patronage. I expect others will voluntarily
>>> do the same. I object to money being taken at gunpoint for others' pet projects and so-called
>>> culture. If people don't care enough to voluntarily support it, it isn't really their culture,
>>> now is it?
>>
>>
>>
>>Would you deny funding to The Washington Monument? The Smithsonian? Arlington? Library of
>>Congress?

> I hope you're not equating those with the works of individual artists for the purpose of
> self-expression.

Who ever mentioned individuals and self-expression?

> That's a HYOOOOOOGE reach. Really big.

Nowhere near as big as your reach in this response.

> --
> Scott Johnson "Always with the excuses for small legs. People like you are why they only open the
> top half of caskets." -Tommy Bowen
 
David Ryan <[email protected]> wrote:
> Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
>>
>> "David Ryan" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>> > > Try and secure a better argument. When was the last time you supported a cultural
>> > > institution?
>> >
>> > It's a great argument if you haven't been dulled your whole life by socialist propaganda.
>> >
>> > I support what I like and what interests me with my patronage. I expect others will voluntarily
>> > do the same. I object to money being taken at gunpoint for others' pet projects and so-called
>> > culture. If people don't care enough to voluntarily support it, it isn't really their culture,
>> > now is it?
>>
>> Would you deny funding to The Washington Monument? The Smithsonian? Arlington? Library of
>> Congress?
>>
>> Taxpayer 'cultural' funding supports all of those.

> The Washington Monument was built with private donations. The Smithsonian was funded for many
> years by Smithson's endowment from his will. The Statue of Liberty was built privately. Children
> raised $500,000 in pennies to build the pedestal.

The Statue of Liberty was a gift from France.

> These things were not publicly funded until creeping socialism insinuated into politics
> accelerated by the Depression.

> Arlington was confiscated from Robert E. Lee to bury Union dead.
 
Kurgan Gringioni <[email protected]> wrote:

> "David Ryan" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>> Bob wrote:
>> >
>> > "David Ryan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >
>> > > I object to money being taken at gunpoint for others' pet projects and so-called culture. If
>> > > people don't care enough to voluntarily support it, it isn't really their culture, now is it?
>> >
>> > i suspect you'd rather have your tax dollars subsidize the military-industrial complex ... and
>> > the oil sector ... and the timber industry ... and the so-called family farms (i.e.
>> > agrobusiness)etc ...
> or do
>> > you voluntarily contribute to those as well?
>>
>> I agree with everything you said except the first. At its essence the government is the military
>> and police. I am not an anarchist. But every transfer from me to someone else is theft.

> Building roads. I don't get that contract. Theft. Sewers - someone else gets that contract. Theft.
> Water projects. I don't get those contracts either. Theft.

> OTOH, at least those contracts go out to bid.

> No-bid contracts in Iraq. Now, that is theft.

I suspect he'll change his tune were he to end up a s famous cyclist did some years back: enjoying
the finest technological health care Indiana could offer. That cyclist's total earnings to date
couldn't even come close to the government investment of revenues extarted at gun point to build,
staff, educate that staff, and place them in a leading cancer treatment center.
 
"David Ryan" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
> >
> > "David Ryan" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> >
> > >
> > > The Washington Monument was built with private donations. The Smithsonian was funded for many
> > > years by Smithson's endowment from his will. The Statue of Liberty was built privately.
> > > Children raised $500,000 in pennies to build the pedestal.
> > >
> > > These things were not publicly funded until creeping socialism insinuated into politics
> > > accelerated by the Depression.
> > >
> > > Arlington was confiscated from Robert E. Lee to bury Union dead.
> >
> > The Federal Government pays to maintain all of those.
> >
> > Money is being taken out of my pocket to support those, at gunpoint. I protest!
>
> Exactly. There is no reason that attractions that draw as many people as those do should need
> government subsidies.

Well, they do get government subsidies to maintain them.

I urge you to write your congressman.
 
"David Ryan" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> >
> > OTOH, at least those contracts go out to bid.
> >
> > No-bid contracts in Iraq. Now, that is theft.
>
> Interestingly, a recent major reconstruction project - the highways destroyed in the Loma Prieta
> earthquake - set records for efficiency and finishing ahead of schedule and was all contracted on
> a no-bid basis. It shows what has been done to the bidding process with union this and minority
> that regulations.

Let me get this straight:

You are against socialist projects, but all for no-bid contracts.
 
Clovis Lark wrote:
>
> David Ryan <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Tom Paterson wrote:
> >>
> >> >From: David Ryan
> >>
> >> >When those other people decide they aren't worth it and keep their money, they decide to
> >> >demand they're owed a living. The parasites should all starve and die (or get a job) and
> >> >everyone else will be better off. Good grief, the depths they've sunk to and the lousy
> >> >attitude that's been engendered by years of socialism and the sense of entitlement simply
> >> >because they exist.
> >>
> >> You seem to have missed the part about communities that rely on tourism suffering economically
> >> at the loss of these seasonal workers. IOW, "everyone" was not better off.
>
> > Everyone, including all the taxpayers across the country paying the subsidies, will be better
> > off with a market equilibrium.
>
> Then why is the right so concerned when cultural institutions sudden scream in fiscal desperation?

What are you talking about?

> >> So, construction workers who draw unemployment in the winter, are they parasites too? Or is it
> >> just that "art" is bad?
>
> > Most construction projects do the indoor work in the winter.
>
> Oh, like my friends who do roofing. Good to know. I'll inform them what lazy leeches they are.

Show them how to drywall while you're at it. Hammer, nails, same basic principles. sheesh

> >> Or maybe that welfare (tax rebates and free stadiums for mega-wealthy sports franchise owners)
> >> is only good for the rich?
> >>
> >> Speaking of lousy attitudes and feelings of entitlement, where does "build me a facility or
> >> I'll go elsewhere" fit in? "Socialism" works real well for those at the top, right, David? How
> >> about these guys start operating in your "real world" and have to buy their own playpens and
> >> pay taxes on them like the little guys do in their business enterprises? --Tom Paterson
>
> > I agree totally, completely, emphatically with your last point. My vote and voice FWIW is always
> > against that.
>
> > Unless maybe they want to build a velodrome ;-) (Which never happens, so I've never had to face
> > that conflict.)
 
David Ryan <[email protected]> wrote:
> Clovis Lark wrote:
>>
>> David Ryan <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > Tom Paterson wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >From: David Ryan
>> >>
>> >> >When those other people decide they aren't worth it and keep their money, they decide to
>> >> >demand they're owed a living. The parasites should all starve and die (or get a job) and
>> >> >everyone else will be better off. Good grief, the depths they've sunk to and the lousy
>> >> >attitude that's been engendered by years of socialism and the sense of entitlement simply
>> >> >because they exist.
>> >>
>> >> You seem to have missed the part about communities that rely on tourism suffering economically
>> >> at the loss of these seasonal workers. IOW, "everyone" was not better off.
>>

>> > Everyone, including all the taxpayers across the country paying the subsidies, will be better
>> > off with a market equilibrium.

>>
>> Then why is the right so concerned when cultural institutions sudden scream in fiscal
>> desperation?

> What are you talking about?

Because,when it comes to arts/culture there is no such thing as a market equilibrium. Perhaps you
should read up and get back to us. You might also find out that there is no market equilibrium for
bike racing here, either, or coverage of it.

>> >> So, construction workers who draw unemployment in the winter, are they parasites too? Or is it
>> >> just that "art" is bad?
>>
>> > Most construction projects do the indoor work in the winter.
>>
>> Oh, like my friends who do roofing. Good to know. I'll inform them what lazy leeches they are.

> Show them how to drywall while you're at it. Hammer, nails, same basic principles. sheesh

Why don't you just go up there, confront them and tell it to their faces. Once you've convinced
them, then march down and tell the dry wallers they are being replaced. After you've done that, I've
got some tree surgery for you to lend a hand in.

>> >> Or maybe that welfare (tax rebates and free stadiums for mega-wealthy sports franchise owners)
>> >> is only good for the rich?
>> >>
>> >> Speaking of lousy attitudes and feelings of entitlement, where does "build me a facility or
>> >> I'll go elsewhere" fit in? "Socialism" works real well for those at the top, right, David? How
>> >> about these guys start operating in your "real world" and have to buy their own playpens and
>> >> pay taxes on them like the little guys do in their business enterprises? --Tom Paterson
>>
>> > I agree totally, completely, emphatically with your last point. My vote and voice FWIW is
>> > always against that.
>>
>> > Unless maybe they want to build a velodrome ;-) (Which never happens, so I've never had to face
>> > that conflict.)
 
Clovis Lark wrote:
>
> David Ryan <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Clovis Lark wrote:
> >>
> >> David Ryan <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> > Clovis Lark wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> S. Anderson <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> > "Lindsay" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> >> > news:[email protected]...
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Tour Director Sends Warning to Demonstrators
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> NARBONNE, France (Reuters) - Tour de France director Jean-Marie Leblanc on Wednesday
> >> >> >> warned demonstrators against disrupting the race.
> >> >>
> >> >> > <<snip..>>
> >> >>
> >> >> >> "If on the other hand people attack riders or try to stop the peloton, then we cannot
> >> >> >> guarantee anything. Security services will do their job and you know what I mean," he
> >> >> >> said.
> >> >>
> >> >> > <<snip..>>
> >> >>
> >> >> > Heehee..wonder what he means by this?? Does anybody know if these artists are employed by
> >> >> > the government? What do they do exactly?
> >> >>
> >> >> > Seriously curious,
> >> >>
> >> >> Since you are: These are seasonal artists who are employed contractually to short term
> >> >> projects (festivals, specific tours, etc.) by those organizations. When not so employed,
> >> >> they are out of work. They have been able to collect unemployment compensation in the past
> >> >> when these opportunities were not available that allowed them to continue focusing and
> >> >> refining their abilities as artists with the hope of mainstream employment. For this reason,
> >> >> french aspiring artists with the technical credentials have been able to keep table waiting
> >> >> and temporary office work to a minimum. Chirac want s to curtail this. As a result the major
> >> >> french festivals of Avignon, Aix, etc are closed. Businesses are hurting and support for
> >> >> these festivals' futures are in doubt. For the communities who rely on this cultural
> >> >> tourism, this is a nightmare. Understandably, there is a great deal of worry and concern.
> >> >>
> >> >> > Scott..
> >>
> >> > IOW, they can't deal with real life and want somebody else to pay their upkeep. When those
> >> > other people decide they aren't worth it and keep their money, they decide to demand they're
> >> > owed a living.
> >>
> >> Try and secure a better argument. When was the last time you supported a cultural institution?
>
> > It's a great argument if you haven't been dulled your whole life by socialist propaganda.
>
> Well folks, I guess that answers that question, doesn't it.
>
> > I support what I like and what interests me with my patronage.
>
> When the government withdraws funding, institutions raise tickets prices to attempt to cover the
> deficit. Prices reach the stratosphere and there goes the general public's ability to attend.

That's EXACTLY the problem - not enough general public attending. The general public fills arenas at
any price if they're interested. You want the general public that doesn't go to pay for those that
do. And the bias is that the less well off pay for the pleasures of the wine and cheese crowd.

> > I expect others will voluntarily do the same.
>
> The the Bushies won't do what you ask.
>
> > I object to money being taken at gunpoint for others' pet projects and so-called culture. If
> > people don't care enough to voluntarily support it, it isn't really their culture, now is it?
>
> Certainly not, in your case.
>
> >> > The parasites should all starve and die (or get a job) and everyone else will be better off.
> >> > Good grief, the depths they've sunk to and the lousy attitude that's been engendered by years
> >> > of socialism and the sense of entitlement simply because they exist.
> >>
> >> How old are you?
>
> > Looking for the ad hominem are we? What is your IQ?
>
> 5. Now try and top that, if you can...
>
> > Sorry if that's the best you can do.
>
> At least I bought my bikes.

blah blah blah
 
David Ryan wrote:

> At its essence the government is the military and police. I am not an anarchist. But every
> transfer from me to someone else is theft.

just make sure you fill those potholes by yourself before each ride. you would not want to be
stealing from those who could care less.
 
David Ryan wrote:

> You want the general public that doesn't go to pay for those that do. And the bias is that the
> less well off pay for the pleasures of the wine and cheese crowd.

yeah right. and those brand spanking new football and baseball stadiums are not paid with public
funds .... it's a well known fact that the 'wine and cheese crowd' goes to football games.
 
Clovis Lark wrote:
>
> David Ryan <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
> >>
> >> "David Ryan" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> >> > > Try and secure a better argument. When was the last time you supported a cultural
> >> > > institution?
> >> >
> >> > It's a great argument if you haven't been dulled your whole life by socialist propaganda.
> >> >
> >> > I support what I like and what interests me with my patronage. I expect others will
> >> > voluntarily do the same. I object to money being taken at gunpoint for others' pet projects
> >> > and so-called culture. If people don't care enough to voluntarily support it, it isn't really
> >> > their culture, now is it?
> >>
> >> Would you deny funding to The Washington Monument? The Smithsonian? Arlington? Library of
> >> Congress?
> >>
> >> Taxpayer 'cultural' funding supports all of those.
>
> > The Washington Monument was built with private donations. The Smithsonian was funded for many
> > years by Smithson's endowment from his will. The Statue of Liberty was built privately. Children
> > raised $500,000 in pennies to build the pedestal.
>
> The Statue of Liberty was a gift from France.

Your point?

> > These things were not publicly funded until creeping socialism insinuated into politics
> > accelerated by the Depression.
>
> > Arlington was confiscated from Robert E. Lee to bury Union dead.
 
David Ryan <[email protected]> wrote:
> Clovis Lark wrote:
>>
>> David Ryan <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
>> >>
>> >> "David Ryan" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>> >> > > Try and secure a better argument. When was the last time you supported a cultural
>> >> > > institution?
>> >> >
>> >> > It's a great argument if you haven't been dulled your whole life by socialist propaganda.
>> >> >
>> >> > I support what I like and what interests me with my patronage. I expect others will
>> >> > voluntarily do the same. I object to money being taken at gunpoint for others' pet projects
>> >> > and so-called culture. If people don't care enough to voluntarily support it, it isn't
>> >> > really their culture, now is it?
>> >>
>> >> Would you deny funding to The Washington Monument? The Smithsonian? Arlington? Library of
>> >> Congress?
>> >>
>> >> Taxpayer 'cultural' funding supports all of those.
>>
>> > The Washington Monument was built with private donations. The Smithsonian was funded for many
>> > years by Smithson's endowment from his will. The Statue of Liberty was built privately.
>> > Children raised $500,000 in pennies to build the pedestal.
>>
>> The Statue of Liberty was a gift from France.

> Your point?

Your brilliant coverage of the origins of all these monuments was lacking this detail. I was sure
you'd wish it included so as to show how no tax dollars were used.

>> > These things were not publicly funded until creeping socialism insinuated into politics
>> > accelerated by the Depression.
>>
>> > Arlington was confiscated from Robert E. Lee to bury Union dead.
 
Clovis Lark wrote:
>
> David Ryan <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Clovis Lark wrote:
> >>
> >> David Ryan <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> > Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> "David Ryan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> >> news:[email protected]...
> >> >> > > Try and secure a better argument. When was the last time you supported a cultural
> >> >> > > institution?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > It's a great argument if you haven't been dulled your whole life by socialist propaganda.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I support what I like and what interests me with my patronage. I expect others will
> >> >> > voluntarily do the same. I object to money being taken at gunpoint for others' pet
> >> >> > projects and so-called culture. If people don't care enough to voluntarily support it, it
> >> >> > isn't really their culture, now is it?
> >> >>
> >> >> Would you deny funding to The Washington Monument? The Smithsonian? Arlington? Library of
> >> >> Congress?
> >> >>
> >> >> Taxpayer 'cultural' funding supports all of those.
> >>
> >> > The Washington Monument was built with private donations. The Smithsonian was funded for many
> >> > years by Smithson's endowment from his will. The Statue of Liberty was built privately.
> >> > Children raised $500,000 in pennies to build the pedestal.
> >>
> >> The Statue of Liberty was a gift from France.
>
> > Your point?
>
> Your brilliant coverage of the origins of all these monuments was lacking this detail. I was sure
> you'd wish it included so as to show how no tax dollars were used.

The statue was paid for in France by a private lottery that raised $400,000. Sorry for the omission.

> >> > These things were not publicly funded until creeping socialism insinuated into politics
> >> > accelerated by the Depression.
> >>
> >> > Arlington was confiscated from Robert E. Lee to bury Union dead.
 
David Ryan <[email protected]> wrote:
> Clovis Lark wrote:
>>
>> David Ryan <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > Clovis Lark wrote:
>> >>
>> >> David Ryan <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> > Clovis Lark wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> S. Anderson <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >> > "Lindsay" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >> >> > news:[email protected]...
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Tour Director Sends Warning to Demonstrators
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> NARBONNE, France (Reuters) - Tour de France director Jean-Marie Leblanc on Wednesday
>> >> >> >> warned demonstrators against disrupting the race.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > <<snip..>>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> "If on the other hand people attack riders or try to stop the peloton, then we cannot
>> >> >> >> guarantee anything. Security services will do their job and you know what I mean," he
>> >> >> >> said.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > <<snip..>>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > Heehee..wonder what he means by this?? Does anybody know if these artists are employed by
>> >> >> > the government? What do they do exactly?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > Seriously curious,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Since you are: These are seasonal artists who are employed contractually to short term
>> >> >> projects (festivals, specific tours, etc.) by those organizations. When not so employed,
>> >> >> they are out of work. They have been able to collect unemployment compensation in the past
>> >> >> when these opportunities were not available that allowed them to continue focusing and
>> >> >> refining their abilities as artists with the hope of mainstream employment. For this
>> >> >> reason, french aspiring artists with the technical credentials have been able to keep table
>> >> >> waiting and temporary office work to a minimum. Chirac want s to curtail this. As a result
>> >> >> the major french festivals of Avignon, Aix, etc are closed. Businesses are hurting and
>> >> >> support for these festivals' futures are in doubt. For the communities who rely on this
>> >> >> cultural tourism, this is a nightmare. Understandably, there is a great deal of worry and
>> >> >> concern.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > Scott..
>> >>
>> >> > IOW, they can't deal with real life and want somebody else to pay their upkeep. When those
>> >> > other people decide they aren't worth it and keep their money, they decide to demand they're
>> >> > owed a living.
>> >>
>> >> Try and secure a better argument. When was the last time you supported a cultural institution?
>>
>> > It's a great argument if you haven't been dulled your whole life by socialist propaganda.
>>
>> Well folks, I guess that answers that question, doesn't it.
>>
>> > I support what I like and what interests me with my patronage.
>>
>> When the government withdraws funding, institutions raise tickets prices to attempt to cover the
>> deficit. Prices reach the stratosphere and there goes the general public's ability to attend.

> That's EXACTLY the problem - not enough general public attending.

General public attendance is the highest it's ever been. You need to read up on this before
jumping in.

> The general public fills arenas at any price if they're interested.

Not true.

> You want the general public that doesn't go to pay for those that do.

Nope, I expect we all pay into the common coffer for education and arts and utilize it where we
wish. This type of subsidy is far more efficiant and costsaving than the alternative.

> And the bias is that the less well off pay for the pleasures of the wine and cheese crowd.

Since they do not share the same tax burden, your remark is in error.

>> > I expect others will voluntarily do the same.
>>
>> The the Bushies won't do what you ask.
>>
>> > I object to money being taken at gunpoint for others' pet projects and so-called culture. If
>> > people don't care enough to voluntarily support it, it isn't really their culture, now is it?
>>
>> Certainly not, in your case.
>>
>> >> > The parasites should all starve and die (or get a job) and everyone else will be better off.
>> >> > Good grief, the depths they've sunk to and the lousy attitude that's been engendered by
>> >> > years of socialism and the sense of entitlement simply because they exist.
>> >>
>> >> How old are you?
>>
>> > Looking for the ad hominem are we? What is your IQ?
>>
>> 5. Now try and top that, if you can...
>>
>> > Sorry if that's the best you can do.
>>
>> At least I bought my bikes.

> blah blah blah

giggle, looks like you didn't quite make it to 5. But thanks for playing...
 
Bob wrote:
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> David Ryan wrote:
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> > At its essence the government is the military and police. I am not an anarchist. But every
> > transfer from me to someone else is theft.
>
> just make sure you fill those potholes by yourself before each ride. you would not want to be
> stealing from those who could care less.

I promise that I would gladly fill any pothole that I made. Since I never drove a car, that would
be very few.
 
Bob wrote:
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> David Ryan wrote:
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> > You want the general public that doesn't go to pay for those that do. And the bias is that the
> > less well off pay for the pleasures of the wine and cheese crowd.
>
> yeah right. and those brand spanking new football and baseball stadiums are not paid with public
> funds .... it's a well known fact that the 'wine and cheese crowd' goes to football games.

Didn't I mention I oppose those? It is a well known fact that those are built these days to replace
perfectly serviceable and privately financed "classic" stadia to provide more luxury boxes at the
insistence of the wine and cheese crowd.
 
Bob <[email protected]> wrote:

> David Ryan wrote:

>> At its essence the government is the military and police. I am not an anarchist. But every
>> transfer from me to someone else is theft.

> just make sure you fill those potholes by yourself before each ride. you would not want to be
> stealing from those who could care less.

In case, I do hit one, I feel comforted knowing I learned from Martha Stewart how make my very own
private ambulance with a quaint and quite loud handcranked siren (Tyler don't try this, it might
injure your broken collar bone)...
 
You people just haven't spent much time thinking about about how the world around you got
to be there.
 
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