- Jun 29, 2005
Yes, Leggera is an Italian brand. The Leggera-Teschner as per the link is an Italian-Australian marriage of very good bike brands (Teschner supplied frames to many amateur world championship winning Ausie cyclists). Leggera brand is quite popular in Europe and in the UK. I remember they debuted their current carbon frames in a UK Bike show about 3 (or 4?) years ago with a chocolate colored showbike. They also had a show frame made of paper!!! during that show.phazer said:Anyone know these bikes?
phazer said:Anyone know these bikes?
Yes, cheap chinnese carbon frames. No italian link whatsoever, purely chinese specials. Sold around the world under differnt labels (go to china and buy 50 frames and they will put what ever label you like on it).
Tech72 said:Acrimony's right. Rebadged, Chinese made carbon frames. That's not to say that they're no good, but just so no one thinks they're buying a high-end, hand-made Italian frame. Hey, even some low rent Colnagos are made in Taiwan now.....
hd reynolds said:Colonial Mentality!!! Who cares as long as it rides as good as any mega-buck italian frame. If not for the chinese influence most of us will be riding 2nd rate bikes coz we just cant afford the 'made in italy or any made in western-as-long-as-its-not-far-east stuff'. Even Fernando Alonso's Formula 1 Renault has chinese influence, man.
Tech72 said:That's just my point hd! So what if it is Chinese made, it's likely as decent a ride as most other carbon frames out there, Italian or otherwise. What I clarified is that it shouldn't be mistaken for an Italian made frame. Italian brand, yes (sort of). Italian made, no. Enjoy, if you've got one of the said frames.
Phill P said:I do think its silly that so many non european brands have to use italian or french names for thier brand to try and make themselves sound serious.
I've been triyng to find some of the red bull brand bikes online, either for sale or just a promotional site. All you find is red bull the drink, and all thier marketing events.
Can you please tell me the link in Germany that you could get these frame through? Leggera will only sell the Piuma for $7000AUD+ with record or DA. I may consider importing a RED BULL and specing it with 07 Centaur from an Italian online retailer.
bobbyOCR said:Who cares where it was made. If you had 50 different frames of all different materials, manufactured in places all over the world with no labelling at all so you didn't know who built them, all with the same components. Then, would you be able to ride all of them then pick the chinese or taiwanese from the european and americans (assuming you didn't already know the frame shape). The answer is, no.
The answer is actually yes. I can tell when a frame is made in asia nor not, at least to a point. The very best, and i mean best, think top 5% of asian frames, I could not tell, but being a mechanic who works on high end bikes you can definently tell when manufacturers aren't being totally honest with where they are produced (i'm sure there are other mechanics out there who would agree). Its in the little details, paint overspray in the threads, cable guides that are a bit mis-alligned, decals that are often crooked or slightly askew, paint finishes that just arent quite finished off properly, bottom bracket threads cut at a slight angle to the frame, bad welding beads, often with visible heat stress marks inside the tubes where they have over heated the tube and/or let it cool too rapidly, in bad but not uncommon cases the bottom bracket is out of allignment (check crank/chainstay clearences on both sides of the bike), not to mention the chinese charactors sometime visable inside the seat tube. While i'm not saying euro frames don't have these mistakes in them becasue they often do, it is rare for them to have several in the same frame. Carbon frames are a lot harder to tell, and its usually the paint and decal finish that gives it away (ever had a close up look of a cinelli estrada or a giant tcr, my kids could stick the decals on neater). All these things are the result of frames being rushed out. In terms of performance, these things don't really effect the frame, but lets face it, buying a top end road bike is the bike equivelant of buying a ferrari, so why shouldn't we expect every little detail to be perfect.