Leonids 2004

On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 11:46:14 +0000 (UTC), [email hidden] (Chris

Malcolm) said:

And the reason for doing that is because the new
system of atomic clockery was *more* accurate.

But keeps on having to be adjusted to conform with GMT!

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Paul

(Watch this space)

On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 12:01:46 +0000 (UTC), [email hidden] (Chris

Malcolm) said:

Because we no longer derive our time references from astronomical
transits,

Er, of course we do. Why do you think UTC gets adjusted? Atomickery is
super-accurate, but still has to be made to conform with the reality
of the earth's movement.

--

Paul

(Watch this space)

Chris Malcolm said:

To go on calling it GMT is like saying your electric car is "running
low on petrol", or, as my mother used to, calling rice cripies "corn
flakes".

I need some more film for my digital camera...

Paul
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In article <[email hidden]>, Katherine <[email hidden]>
writes

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But we do know that time around the planet uses GMT as a base. Isn't
that because Greenwich is at 0 degrees longitude? Am I right? I have
dredged that up from a long ago memory, I think.

That may be so Katherine, I just happened to find an American site that
didn't even mention the fact.

Bye for now.
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Bill Grey
http://www.billboy.co.uk

In article <[email hidden]>, Katherine <[email hidden]>
writes

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*Tradition* is just a short moment in history.

I like that statement!

Tradition is the act of performing a task without knowing why it is
performed.
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Bill Grey
http://www.billboy.co.uk

In article <[email hidden]>, Chris Malcolm
<[email hidden]> writes

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To go on calling it GMT is like saying your electric car is "running
low on petrol", or, as my mother used to, calling rice cripies "corn
flakes".

.................or as I saw in Asda today memory cards for digital
cameras referred to as digital film cards
--
Bill Grey
http://www.billboy.co.uk

In article <[email hidden]>, Paul Saunders
<[email hidden]> writes

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Chris Malcolm said:

To go on calling it GMT is like saying your electric car is "running
low on petrol", or, as my mother used to, calling rice cripies "corn
flakes".

I need some more film for my digital camera...

See my other posting - go to ASDA

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Paul
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Katherine <[email hidden]> wrote

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Gordon said:

My 8 y/o grandson, who went to live in California about 7 years ago,
taking his parents, won a geography competition in his class at school.

When my daughter told me, I pointed out (tongue in cheek) that he must
have an unfair advantage because all the other kids were American (or
Mexican).

Why impugn the Mexicans?

No, no no! ;-)
I just guessed there might be a few in his class!

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I understand we Americans. I mean, more
Canadians than Americans could find the U.S. on a map. Sounds like
you've picked up some of the anti-immigrant feeling in California (which
used to be part of Mexico).

I abhor the attitude of *some* Americans towards Mexican immigrants, but
my family don't have that attitude. After all - they are immigrants.

When we went to their park I noticed how a Mexican father and son
behaved, at first wary of us; but I smiled at then, and they were soon
laughing at my attempts to balance along the beams, and use the slide
etc.

The little lad put on an alarming display on a high climbing bar, and I
tried to warn him not to jump off onto the deep sandy surface, but he
did so and laughed at my concern. It was a pleasant interlude, though
the father did not speak.
--
Gordon

Chris Malcolm <[email hidden]> wrote

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To go on calling it GMT is like saying your electric car is "running
low on petrol", or, as my mother used to, calling rice cripies "corn
flakes".

Cornflakes is a generic term for morning cereal, just as Hoovering is a
term for something best left for others to do, like ironing.
;-)

I prefer Mini Shredded Wheat, no salt or sugar.

(Before I go walking, just in case anyone tries to take this off topic).
--
Gordon

W. D. Grey said:

In article <[email hidden]>, Katherine <[email hidden]>
writes

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

*Tradition* is just a short moment in history.

I like that statement!

Tradition is the act of performing a task without knowing why it is
performed.

That's even better.

Katherine

In article <[email hidden]>, Gordon
<[email hidden]> writes

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Cornflakes is a generic term for morning cereal, just as Hoovering is a
term for something best left for others to do, like ironing.

Kellogg's is a corruption of the Welsh "Ceiliog" which means Cockerel
universally considered the symbol of early morning and of course
breakfast.
--
Bill Grey
http://www.billboy.co.uk

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In article <[email hidden]>, Gordon
<[email hidden]> writes

Quoted message said:

Cornflakes is a generic term for morning cereal, just as Hoovering is a
term for something best left for others to do, like ironing.

Kellogg's is a corruption of the Welsh "Ceiliog" which means Cockerel
universally considered the symbol of early morning and of course
breakfast.
--
Bill Grey
http://www.billboy.co.uk

So, did W.K.Kellog adopt the name after he invented breakfast cereal or was
it a lucky coincidence?

druidh

Gordon said:

Katherine <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

Gordon said:

My 8 y/o grandson, who went to live in California about 7 years ago,
taking his parents, won a geography competition in his class at school.

When my daughter told me, I pointed out (tongue in cheek) that he must
have an unfair advantage because all the other kids were American (or
Mexican).

Why impugn the Mexicans?

No, no no! ;-)
I just guessed there might be a few in his class!

Quoted message said:

I understand we Americans. I mean, more
Canadians than Americans could find the U.S. on a map. Sounds like
you've picked up some of the anti-immigrant feeling in California (which
used to be part of Mexico).

I abhor the attitude of *some* Americans towards Mexican immigrants, but
my family don't have that attitude. After all - they are immigrants.

Sorry Gordon, I over reacted. A result of the immigrant attack ads on
TV right now. I am sich unto death of the vitriolic tone of them.

Katherine

W. D. Grey said:

In article <[email hidden]>, Gordon
<[email hidden]> writes

Quoted message said:

Cornflakes is a generic term for morning cereal, just as Hoovering is a
term for something best left for others to do, like ironing.

Kellogg's is a corruption of the Welsh "Ceiliog" which means Cockerel
universally considered the symbol of early morning and of course breakfast.

LOL

Katherine

Paul said:

On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 11:46:14 +0000 (UTC), [email hidden] (Chris
Malcolm) wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

And the reason for doing that is because the new
system of atomic clockery was *more* accurate.

Quoted message said:

But keeps on having to be adjusted to conform with GMT!

You've misunderstood what goes on. GMT is time calibrated to the
earth's rotation, and has been abandoned, nobody is using it
anymore. It has been replaced by a close approximation, properly
called UTC, which is calibrated with respect to atomic clockery, and
adjusted by leap seconds to stop more than a large fraction of a
second discrepancy with real GMT. In other words, UTC is an
approximation to GMT accurate to about a second, but which has
supplanted GMT because it is more accurate for purposes where very
accurate measurement is required, and for timekeeping purposes which
used to rely on GMT, and need its synchronisation with the earth's
rotation, accuracy to the nearst second is good enough.

This isn't just a scientific curiosity. We're using technology now
which needs UTC, and couldn't be made to work with GMT, e.g. GPS.
--
Chris Malcolm [email hidden] +44 (0)131 651 3445 DoD #205
IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
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Paul said:

On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 12:01:46 +0000 (UTC), [email hidden] (Chris
Malcolm) wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Because we no longer derive our time references from astronomical
transits,

Quoted message said:

Er, of course we do. Why do you think UTC gets adjusted? Atomickery is
super-accurate, but still has to be made to conform with the reality
of the earth's movement.

For purposes which require it, to the nearest second. In other words,
we've dropped GMT in favour of a close approximation which is a more
precise time measurement system.
--
Chris Malcolm [email hidden] +44 (0)131 651 3445 DoD #205
IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
[http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]

Katherine <[email hidden]> wrote

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Sorry Gordon, I over reacted. A result of the immigrant attack ads on
TV right now. I am sich unto death of the vitriolic tone of them.

Katherine

Presumably part of the Republican election campaign?
--
Gordon

In article <[email hidden]>, druidh
<[email hidden]> writes

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So, did W.K.Kellog adopt the name after he invented breakfast cereal or was
it a lucky coincidence?

Some snippet of useless information I heard somewhere - something to do
with emigration etc keeping ties with the Old Country. I'd love to know
if there was any truth in it though.
--
Bill Grey
http://www.billboy.co.uk

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In article <[email hidden]>, druidh
<[email hidden]> writes

Quoted message said:

So, did W.K.Kellog adopt the name after he invented breakfast cereal or
was
it a lucky coincidence?

Some snippet of useless information I heard somewhere - something to do
with emigration etc keeping ties with the Old Country. I'd love to know if
there was any truth in it though.
--
Bill Grey
http://www.billboy.co.uk

I've always wondered how J. Edgar Hoover found time to invent the vacuum
cleaner while cleaning up all the commies from America.

druidh

Gordon said:

Katherine <[email hidden]> wrote

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Sorry Gordon, I over reacted. A result of the immigrant attack ads on
TV right now. I am sich unto death of the vitriolic tone of them.

Katherine

Presumably part of the Republican election campaign?

How could you think such a thing?! : -)

Katherine