l'equipe publishes report... looks damming for Ullrich and Basso...

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  1. tcklyde

    tcklyde New Member

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    Great post.
     


  2. tcklyde

    tcklyde New Member

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    As a contrast, take Jean-Cyril Robin, who made plenty of criticisms about doping in the peloton while he rode (LA even told him to be quiet at one point). He went to Francaise des Jeux management in 2005 (though I don't know if he is still with the team). And, of course, we all know how well Francaise des Jeux has done.
     
  3. tinks

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    Very bad for Pevenage.

    You can cast doubt on who "rudico" from Belgium is, there are lots of Rudy's in Belgium. For example (and I don't mean to imply anything about him), but the Belgian national mountain bike coach is another Rudy; Rudy De Bie, and world champ, Meirhaeghe admitted to doping and said he started using EPO at a training camp in Austria.

    The real nail in the coffin is the reference to a time trial on the 18th. Maybe someone can check dates but I don't think there were any other time trials that same day. [size=-1]
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  4. Bro Deal

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    I just posted some info in the "Ullrich/DNA" thread that shows there were two other time trials that day, both involving riders with variations of the name Jan.
     
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    Why would the doctor write #1 on a bag with the name Jan on it? And the "son of Rudy" being connected to the name Jan?

    This is really reaching.
     
  6. Bro Deal

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    Unlike you I fully acknowledge the corruptness of the sport and the involvement of all the top riders. I just think that with the evidence shown so far there is a chance that Ullrich will walk on this particular charge. That does not mean I am naive enough to think that he, Armstrong, Basso, and all the others do not dope.

    I do not think Ullrich would be demanding a DNA test with the blood marked "JAN" if he knew it would establish that the blood was in fact his.
     
  7. whiteboytrash

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    However the phonecall says that "Rudicio" said "there is a time trial" at 12.20pm on the day of the time trial. Now if Rudy P was shipping in some blood all the way from Spain and then spend an hour tranfusing it into Jan whilst Jan rode off to win at the time trail at 2.00pm ! Tell me how he could of transported the blood and then transfused it (takes over an hour) from the call at 12.20pm ! thats 1 hour 40 minutes ! The guy had to warm up, sign in etc. etc. Its not possiable in addtion the travel time from Spain or does Fuentes have a mobile truck full of blood !.... so if its not blood they are talking about what is it ? Something legal instead ? Ullrich is not mentioned in the call and they have not confirmed the number belongs to Rudy P just "a number from Belguim" ! Christ ! This is hardly evidence... if this went to a court of law it would be thrown out and the Spanish Guard know that...... now this is reaching for it !

    T-Mobile directeur Rudy Pevenage: “On May 17 at 23.27 Fuentes receives an SMS message from a Belgian number with the following text: ‘Friend, when can we talk for a bit? Rudicio.’ On May 18, at 12.20 Fuentes receives a call from the same number. Busy, he tells the caller to call back later. ‘This evening,’ he tells him. ‘But there’s a time trial,’ is the reply on the day that Ullrich won a time trial at the Giro. These elements lead to the supposition that the identity of ‘Rudicio’ is Rudy Pevenage.”
     
  8. limerickman

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    But WBT, TMO read enough of the report to conclude that something was afoot between the lab and Pevenage and perhaps JU.

    Ullrich's statement of volunteering a DNA sample is a very welcome and positive move by JU.
    It is a statement of intent.

    If the DNA sample from JU doesn't match the DNA in the labs sample - then JU is in the clear, to the extent that the "JAN" sample is not JU's sample.
     
  9. whiteboytrash

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    I have to disagree... T-Mobile suspended the three because it appeared they "lied" about there relationships with Fuentes. They all told T-Mobile management that they didn't know him and the report suggest that they do. I still think there is a lot more to come out from this case. Like I said above the evidence presented thus far is hardly a smoking gun and wouldn't stand up in a court of law. In fact no prosecutor would even go to court with the above. Reasonable doubt is the key and there is a lot of reasonable doubt. Remember only one side has presented. Ullrich needs his time to put his case forward. Ullrich like Armstrong has the financials to fight the case and he will.


     
  10. wolfix

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    Sevilla has been video'ed going to the apartment and has blood to match his on the same dates.

    But we know very little of what is happening. There will be more riders suspended before the end of the TDF>
     
  11. bobke

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    The DNA blood test is only one small part.
    If Jan had contact with Fuentes, his Team will want to know why he lied.
    The public will want to know.
    And the Spanish Civil Guard will too.
    So, this is far far from over.
    T-Mob let out a statement to the effect that with him as their team leader, it would take a lot more than some whispers or weird code names to convicne them that they had to take action. They said, we took the action so that should speak for itself, Its up to Jan and his lawyers to prove he is innocent.
    Thats a very different statement than what CSC is putting out, so clearly management has been told from T-Mob let Jan flap in the wind.
    CSC is still letting out that riders are talking to Basso and that Ivan rode 300 km today. Just cause.
     
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