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LIfe is hard work - why leave the bed?

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  1. This post is going to anthropomorphisize prebiotic life and
    life. It helps me visualize the origin.

    Imagine its a teenager living in its parents house. Why in
    the world would it go out and get a job if all it needs was
    supplied by its parents.

    Now imagine the parents are our sun, and the teenager is
    prebiotic life.

    As it is, the sun does the following for our prebiotic teen:

    1. it produces the monomers that make up life
    2. it's cycle of temperature keeps water in liquid form.
    3. it helps polymerize in a dry/hot,wet/cool cycle
    4. it does the metabolism for it by supplying energy on a
    cyclical and dependable basis
    5. its uv is a major force of selection, and it may also
    help form RNA
    6. forces a primitive environmental replication by forcing
    nucleotide base paired strands to denature in high heat
    and anneal with other hybrids in low (sort of like the
    mixing in PCR)
    7. it forces selection on the h-bonds - favoring GC over AU
    in some cases, favoring WC pairs over non WC pairs in
    cases, etc.

    Why would any teen leave this set up - he has
    metabolism replication - all his wants met - all given
    to him on a plate.

    But then the father tosses him out so to speak. The sun and
    earth begin to cool. No longer is there the energy to force
    life to exist and force selection on prebiotic variants. The
    teen must sink or swim

    THEN and only then is chemical evolution forced on prebiotic
    soup. If prebiotic life doesn't come up with some substitute
    for the sun and all he gave - no existence. Thus it
    substitutes a vast and complicated chemical system to rival
    what the sun did in the beginning.

    Life then is the 2nd best option - the hot sun being first.

    Or life is formed in high heat, then is forced to sin or
    swim on its own in low heat.

    Comment (and please don't take the analogy too seriously)

    Tom

  2. Quoted message said:

    Or life is formed in high heat, then is forced to sin
    or swim


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    on its own in low heat.

    Comment (and please don't take the analogy too seriously)

    I am not an expert in this field, but this reminds of
    something else I've been wondering about. The primordial
    ocean environment, before the earth cooled off, was
    similar to today's underwater hydrothermal vents. Given
    that life can exist there today, it's not a stretch to
    imagine life beginning in such an environment. Instead of
    being restricted to hydrothermal vents, the 100-degree
    plus, mineral-rich brew would cover the entire ocean
    floor, which at that time would be most if not all of the
    earth's surface.

    There would be a significant period of time, at least a
    few hundred million years, before non-thermophile life
    could survive. The thermophiles would have the place all
    to themselves, and on the ocean floor, indeed in 99% of
    the ocean, UV radiation is not an issue.

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  3. << There would be a significant period of time, at least a
    few hundred million years, before non-thermophile life could
    survive. The thermophiles would have the place all to
    themselves, and on the ocean floor, indeed in 99% of the
    ocean, UV radiation is not an issue.

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    IMO the environment was very hot for sure.

    When the rains began, that formed the sea
    - they took a lot of the
    CO2 (agreenhouse gas) out of the environment. This may have
    led to a cooler atmosphere. It also may well have led
    to the sun's rays shining through the clouds for the
    first time. I tend to think with no ozone layer etc.
    these first rains, and that first sun , and that
    first real reduction of CO2, and the beginning of the
    first oceans, was the best window of opportunity for
    the origin. I'm guessing as early as 4.1 or 4.0.

    Just some points - UV damages T the most. Note that in RNA
    there is no T but U instead.

    I tend to think that UV may have been a boon in more ways
    than it was destructive.

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