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Well, if they're tuff enuf to do it, I'm tuff enuf to stay up and watch . . . (snore).Walrus said:I stayed up for Sunday's coverage of the transition stageo). Tonight's will be much better, but Lance is riding last, so it'll be a late one!
The advantage of taping it I suppose is that you can FF thru all the slugs, inadvertantly speeding them up L'Alpe, and enhance your champion's grimping and grinding.
M "22/32, 26" wheels and all day to do it" H
Basso can either win or lose it right here, right nowMarx SS said:
Maybe Mayo can make up 45 minutes
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stu
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> Graident is up, up , up all the way isn't it?
>
who would have thought it would be so hard to find a real map???
well it is, so this is the best I can do
total ascent 1125m
Date: 21/7/2004 Distance: 15.5km
This Time Trial up the famous L'Alpe d'Huez (Hors Categorie) starts with a
flat 1.7km stretch but then it's the 13.8km climb at an average grade of 7.8
percent, with 21 switchbacks to the summit.
makes the 1/20 look easy
taken by itself its not so bad (so bad, relative, to say, getting your fingernails pulled out with electric pliers). The Alpe is a heartbreaker because it is usually the last climb of a stage, after climbing the galabier and the madeleine. That said, the first two switchbacks are nasty, nasty but its not too bad after that. The switchbacks are great to get a rest for a couple of secs and because it is back and forth up the mountain the visual impact is not so terrifying.I was quite surprised. I had more trouble getting up to chamrousse just outside of grenoble (used for the ITT in 2001) than the alpe.
Ventoux is like that. No switchbacks and a clear view to the top....great .
Anyone have any times for their ride up the alpe?
I did 51 minutes in 2001, and it was the best fun ive had for ages. So was riding back down!!
Ventoux is like that. No switchbacks and a clear view to the top....great
.Anyone have any times for their ride up the alpe?
I did 51 minutes in 2001, and it was the best fun ive had for ages. So was riding back down!!
G
GDS
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>Yeah.. so either make sure you have good
>coffee near work the next day or tape it!
I'm pulling a sickie)
G.
>coffee near work the next day or tape it!
I'm pulling a sickie
)G.
byron27 said:
So if the winner completes the time trial in 38 minutes and the cut-off is 33%, or about 12.5 minutes, giving a cut-off time of about 50.5min. You almost made the cut-off! That's fast all right, well done!
Another way to look at it is to think of the required watts/kg. It's more or less proportional to speed on a steep slope. I think I would need about 50% cut-off time (at least) as an estimate on that basis...
Ritch
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adam
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"byron27" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> taken by itself its not so bad (so bad, relative, to say, getting your
> fingernails pulled out with electric pliers). The Alpe is a
> heartbreaker because it is usually the last climb of a stage, after
> climbing the galabier and the madeleine. That said, the first two
> switchbacks are nasty, nasty but its not too bad after that. The
> switchbacks are great to get a rest for a couple of secs and because it
> is back and forth up the mountain the visual impact is not so
> terrifying.I was quite surprised. I had more trouble getting up to
> chamrousse just outside of grenoble (used for the ITT in 2001) than the
> alpe.
>[snip]
> byron27
I saw a ITT in Grenoble in September up to the Fort de la Bastille,
called Prix de la Bastille. This is the hill where the bubble cable cars,
(the telegraphique I think it's called), goes.Very short maybe 3km but
average gradient 20% with some really nasty switchback up to 28%.
You could hardly walk up it. Seemed like a small club race but plenty
of big names from the past holding records - Armstrong, Ulrich etc.
A funny sight was watching all the fast french guys light up a smoke as
soon as they'd crossed the line at the top!
Adam
news:[email protected]...
>
> taken by itself its not so bad (so bad, relative, to say, getting your
> fingernails pulled out with electric pliers). The Alpe is a
> heartbreaker because it is usually the last climb of a stage, after
> climbing the galabier and the madeleine. That said, the first two
> switchbacks are nasty, nasty but its not too bad after that. The
> switchbacks are great to get a rest for a couple of secs and because it
> is back and forth up the mountain the visual impact is not so
> terrifying.I was quite surprised. I had more trouble getting up to
> chamrousse just outside of grenoble (used for the ITT in 2001) than the
> alpe.
>[snip]
> byron27
I saw a ITT in Grenoble in September up to the Fort de la Bastille,
called Prix de la Bastille. This is the hill where the bubble cable cars,
(the telegraphique I think it's called), goes.Very short maybe 3km but
average gradient 20% with some really nasty switchback up to 28%.
You could hardly walk up it. Seemed like a small club race but plenty
of big names from the past holding records - Armstrong, Ulrich etc.
A funny sight was watching all the fast french guys light up a smoke as
soon as they'd crossed the line at the top!
Adam
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DRS
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"stu" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> Graident is up, up , up all the way isn't it?
>>
>
> who would have thought it would be so hard to find a real map???
> well it is, so this is the best I can do
I found these:
gradient profile:
http://www.letour.fr/2004/us/profil...F&RaceYear=2004&StageNumber=1600&Language=ANG
TdF map overview: http://www.beyond.fr/map/mptdf2004.html
TdF map detail (stages 15-18): http://www.beyond.fr/map/mptdf03e.html
I couldn't find a detailed map of the actual route. From the SBS web site:
"This Time Trial up the famous L'Alpe d'Huez (Hors Categorie) starts with a
flat 1.7km stretch but then it's the 13.8km climb at an average grade of 7.8
percent, with 21 switchbacks to the summit."
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>> Graident is up, up , up all the way isn't it?
>>
>
> who would have thought it would be so hard to find a real map???
> well it is, so this is the best I can do
I found these:
gradient profile:
http://www.letour.fr/2004/us/profil...F&RaceYear=2004&StageNumber=1600&Language=ANG
TdF map overview: http://www.beyond.fr/map/mptdf2004.html
TdF map detail (stages 15-18): http://www.beyond.fr/map/mptdf03e.html
I couldn't find a detailed map of the actual route. From the SBS web site:
"This Time Trial up the famous L'Alpe d'Huez (Hors Categorie) starts with a
flat 1.7km stretch but then it's the 13.8km climb at an average grade of 7.8
percent, with 21 switchbacks to the summit."
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Apparentely there is approx 1 000 000 spectators up on the L'Alpe d'Huez!
Bikesoiler, whilst sitting on lounge, has informed me that's almost the equivalent of 10 x MCG's plonked up on the slopes of Mt Buller. Hmm, whats the actual capacity of 'G there days?
Happy viewing.
Bikesoiler, whilst sitting on lounge, has informed me that's almost the equivalent of 10 x MCG's plonked up on the slopes of Mt Buller. Hmm, whats the actual capacity of 'G there days?
Happy viewing.
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stu
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> Hmm,
> whats the actual capacity of 'G there days?
its about 80000 at the minute
but when its finished again in late 2005 will be 95000(i think)
R
rickster
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WHibyron27 <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> taken by itself its not so bad (so bad, relative, to say, getting your
> fingernails pulled out with electric pliers). The Alpe is a
> heartbreaker because it is usually the last climb of a stage, after
> climbing the galabier and the madeleine. That said, the first two
> switchbacks are nasty, nasty but its not too bad after that. The
> switchbacks are great to get a rest for a couple of secs and because it
> is back and forth up the mountain the visual impact is not so
> terrifying.I was quite surprised. I had more trouble getting up to
> chamrousse just outside of grenoble (used for the ITT in 2001) than the
> alpe.
>
> Ventoux is like that. No switchbacks and a clear view to the
> top....great .
>
> Anyone have any times for their ride up the alpe?
> I did 51 minutes in 2001, and it was the best fun ive had for ages. So
> was riding back down!!
Which would put you on about the same time as Matthew Wilson. Either
you're a couldvebeen pro, a pro, a phenomenol climber or your clock
was wrong !!
> taken by itself its not so bad (so bad, relative, to say, getting your
> fingernails pulled out with electric pliers). The Alpe is a
> heartbreaker because it is usually the last climb of a stage, after
> climbing the galabier and the madeleine. That said, the first two
> switchbacks are nasty, nasty but its not too bad after that. The
> switchbacks are great to get a rest for a couple of secs and because it
> is back and forth up the mountain the visual impact is not so
> terrifying.I was quite surprised. I had more trouble getting up to
> chamrousse just outside of grenoble (used for the ITT in 2001) than the
> alpe.
>
> Ventoux is like that. No switchbacks and a clear view to the
> top....great
.>
> Anyone have any times for their ride up the alpe?
> I did 51 minutes in 2001, and it was the best fun ive had for ages. So
> was riding back down!!
Which would put you on about the same time as Matthew Wilson. Either
you're a couldvebeen pro, a pro, a phenomenol climber or your clock
was wrong !!
R
rickster
Guest
byron27 <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> taken by itself its not so bad (so bad, relative, to say, getting your
> fingernails pulled out with electric pliers). The Alpe is a
> heartbreaker because it is usually the last climb of a stage, after
> climbing the galabier and the madeleine. That said, the first two
> switchbacks are nasty, nasty but its not too bad after that. The
> switchbacks are great to get a rest for a couple of secs and because it
> is back and forth up the mountain the visual impact is not so
> terrifying.I was quite surprised. I had more trouble getting up to
> chamrousse just outside of grenoble (used for the ITT in 2001) than the
> alpe.
>
> Ventoux is like that. No switchbacks and a clear view to the
> top....great .
>
> Anyone have any times for their ride up the alpe?
> I did 51 minutes in 2001, and it was the best fun ive had for ages. So
> was riding back down!!
Actually scrath what I just posted. I'd cancel the post but I use
crappy Google and once posted, is gone.
Still 51 min is very impressive, you probabably timed it from the
bottom ? Where as the tour stage started from a bit further back ?
Out of curisoiyt, how much time did you spend out of the saddle ?
> taken by itself its not so bad (so bad, relative, to say, getting your
> fingernails pulled out with electric pliers). The Alpe is a
> heartbreaker because it is usually the last climb of a stage, after
> climbing the galabier and the madeleine. That said, the first two
> switchbacks are nasty, nasty but its not too bad after that. The
> switchbacks are great to get a rest for a couple of secs and because it
> is back and forth up the mountain the visual impact is not so
> terrifying.I was quite surprised. I had more trouble getting up to
> chamrousse just outside of grenoble (used for the ITT in 2001) than the
> alpe.
>
> Ventoux is like that. No switchbacks and a clear view to the
> top....great
.>
> Anyone have any times for their ride up the alpe?
> I did 51 minutes in 2001, and it was the best fun ive had for ages. So
> was riding back down!!
Actually scrath what I just posted. I'd cancel the post but I use
crappy Google and once posted, is gone.
Still 51 min is very impressive, you probabably timed it from the
bottom ? Where as the tour stage started from a bit further back ?
Out of curisoiyt, how much time did you spend out of the saddle ?
stu said:
bring back the standing area in the outer!!!
110k back in the 70's
before such trifling things as political correctness and safety issues were uinvented
A couple of things I noticed about last night:
1. The crowds. While I loved the atmosphere of yesterday's time trial, I think it was a tad dangerous for the riders who have so much at stake. Did you see Jan Ullrich get knocked on his hip by a spectator? There were some crazy spectators there. I basically agreed with Lance Armstrongs carefully selected words after the stage.
2. Motorbikes and exhaust fumes. Wouldn't those motorbikes give the riders the sh|ts. I know on my commute to work while riding the Yarra Blvd when a car goes past it's slightly irritating having to suck up the fumes. Imagine having motorbike(s) or cars in front of you the whole time? Parhaps they're finely tuned and have low emissions.
1. The crowds. While I loved the atmosphere of yesterday's time trial, I think it was a tad dangerous for the riders who have so much at stake. Did you see Jan Ullrich get knocked on his hip by a spectator? There were some crazy spectators there. I basically agreed with Lance Armstrongs carefully selected words after the stage.
2. Motorbikes and exhaust fumes. Wouldn't those motorbikes give the riders the sh|ts. I know on my commute to work while riding the Yarra Blvd when a car goes past it's slightly irritating having to suck up the fumes. Imagine having motorbike(s) or cars in front of you the whole time? Parhaps they're finely tuned and have low emissions.
S
stu
Guest
> bring back the standing area in the outer!!!
>
> 110k back in the 70's
> before such trifling things as political correctness and safety issues
> were uinvented
I thought the record was 118k
but from the mcc web site
>As well as a world record for the most people to ever attend a baseball
match during the >1956 Games, the VFL/AFL Grand Final record attendance was
an amazing 121,000 >people for the 1970 decider between Carlton and
Collingwood.
>
>Its present capacity has been reduced as works take place to demolish and
completely >rebuild the Ponsford, members and northern stands, but once the
redevelopment is >complete it will boast a seating capacity in excess of
100,000.
but I have seen other figures of 95k or things like "almost 100k", so who is
up for helping me count them in early 2006???
stu said:>As well as a world record for the most people to ever attend a baseball[/color]
match during the >1956 Games, the VFL/AFL Grand Final record attendance was
an amazing 121,000 >people for the 1970 decider between Carlton and
Collingwood.
>
>Its present capacity has been reduced as works take place to demolish and
completely >rebuild the Ponsford, members and northern stands, but once the
redevelopment is >complete it will boast a seating capacity in excess of
100,000.
but I have seen other figures of 95k or things like "almost 100k", so who is
up for helping me count them in early 2006???
more to the point, how much is 'dinkyDi' gonna cost???
I am a MCC member (got 2 actually
but only go there at half time/lunch to get drinks and food as the queues are non-existant and prices are lower than amongst the 'unwashed' Bays
