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Hippy
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"flyingdutch" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> just starts perfectly then segues into the sublime. no
> lame cables flying about and 10spd that's been about for
> years nor a BB design that's gonna be recalled in 2
> years' time
Those cables are there by design... you need somewhere to
hold your helmet.
10spd is for girls... ;-) It just makes the chain 'that'
much easier to snap.
> Prove it? what exactly hipsta...
That Chorus is better than DA. I thought Chorus was up
against Ultegra?
> chorus10 $1630 DA10 $ 2160
>
> as for quality, if Im forking out $2160 i dont expect any
> plastic to be involved!
What if the plastic part does the job better than any other
material? Just because something uses plastic somewhere
doesn't necessarily make it inferior. Which part are you
referring to anyway?
hippy
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> just starts perfectly then segues into the sublime. no
> lame cables flying about and 10spd that's been about for
> years nor a BB design that's gonna be recalled in 2
> years' time
Those cables are there by design... you need somewhere to
hold your helmet.
10spd is for girls... ;-) It just makes the chain 'that'
much easier to snap.
> Prove it? what exactly hipsta...
That Chorus is better than DA. I thought Chorus was up
against Ultegra?
> chorus10 $1630 DA10 $ 2160
>
> as for quality, if Im forking out $2160 i dont expect any
> plastic to be involved!
What if the plastic part does the job better than any other
material? Just because something uses plastic somewhere
doesn't necessarily make it inferior. Which part are you
referring to anyway?
hippy
Those cables are there by design... you need somewhere to
hold your helmet.
you can do that without cables, hipsta
(even getting proficient at doing it on the move)
10spd is for girls... ;-) It just makes the chain 'that' much easier to snap.
After all of 3 months I hope youre wrong on that front, H
> Prove it? what exactly hipsta...
That Chorus is better than DA. I thought Chorus was up
against Ultegra?
you wish
What if the plastic part does the job better than any other
material? Just because something uses plastic somewhere
doesn't necessarily make it inferior. Which part are you
referring to anyway?
inside the STIs. moving parts too
Im bailing ouuta this debate. I might not have great thighs/calves, carbon bike, etc so sadly will lean on my Chorus to hold my head high (sad, i know)
Until tomorrow night when hopefully I finish my first attempt at Kew and dont:
A Crash
B Finish
B get dropped, in that order of preference
hold your helmet.
you can do that without cables, hipsta
(even getting proficient at doing it on the move)
10spd is for girls... ;-) It just makes the chain 'that' much easier to snap.
After all of 3 months I hope youre wrong on that front, H
> Prove it? what exactly hipsta...
That Chorus is better than DA. I thought Chorus was up
against Ultegra?
you wish
What if the plastic part does the job better than any other
material? Just because something uses plastic somewhere
doesn't necessarily make it inferior. Which part are you
referring to anyway?
inside the STIs. moving parts too
Im bailing ouuta this debate. I might not have great thighs/calves, carbon bike, etc so sadly will lean on my Chorus to hold my head high (sad, i know)
Until tomorrow night when hopefully I finish my first attempt at Kew and dont:
A Crash
B Finish
B get dropped, in that order of preference
H
Hippy
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"flyingdutch" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> What if the plastic part does the job better than any
> other material? Just because something uses plastic
> somewhere doesn't necessarily make it inferior. Which part
> are you referring to anyway?
>
> inside the STIs. moving parts too
>
> Im bailing ouuta this debate. I might not have great
> thighs/calves, carbon bike, etc so sadly will lean on my
> Chorus to hold my head high (sad, i know)
Ahh ok. I wasn't trying (much) to provoke an argument, I
really do want to know why Campy is better. I actually
thought my shifter was dying on me yesterday, until I
found the frayed cable sticking out just before the head
tube - it's probably shifting with 1 or 2 strands.. No
wonder it's vague!
Just for the record, I don't have great thighs, calves or
anything other than carbon forks, so without Chorus... I'll
keep my head low and make the most of the draft :-D
> Until tomorrow night when hopefully I finish my first
> attempt at Kew
and
> dont: A Crash B Finish B get dropped, in that order of
> preference
Good luck! I went away on the weekend for my b'day and
missed Glenvale - anyone here race?
hippy
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> What if the plastic part does the job better than any
> other material? Just because something uses plastic
> somewhere doesn't necessarily make it inferior. Which part
> are you referring to anyway?
>
> inside the STIs. moving parts too
>
> Im bailing ouuta this debate. I might not have great
> thighs/calves, carbon bike, etc so sadly will lean on my
> Chorus to hold my head high (sad, i know)
Ahh ok. I wasn't trying (much) to provoke an argument, I
really do want to know why Campy is better. I actually
thought my shifter was dying on me yesterday, until I
found the frayed cable sticking out just before the head
tube - it's probably shifting with 1 or 2 strands.. No
wonder it's vague!
Just for the record, I don't have great thighs, calves or
anything other than carbon forks, so without Chorus... I'll
keep my head low and make the most of the draft :-D
> Until tomorrow night when hopefully I finish my first
> attempt at Kew
and
> dont: A Crash B Finish B get dropped, in that order of
> preference
Good luck! I went away on the weekend for my b'day and
missed Glenvale - anyone here race?
hippy
Yeah, raced there on Sunday and rode C grade. Finished somewhere in the middle of the somewhat spread out bunch (It spread out right at the end of the race with those wanting to sprint going forward and those not bothering staying back.)
You'd be happy to know that Rick won the race in the final sprint!!![\B]
Tried to break away with Rick 3/4 into the race but I really had no chance. Barely got any distance on the bunch.
Average speed was about 38 km/h.
R
Rickster
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Hitchy <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> ProfTournesol wrote:
> > I saw a KG486 assembled in SBR the other day if you
> > want to have a test ride.
>
>
>
> G'day,
>
> thanks for the tip Prof. They are quite hard to find
> assembled. I've actually had a test ride, this confirmed
> everything i had read about
> it....now the question is raising the funds & convincing
> the wife!,
>
If it's for racing, you go "hey babe, I'm out there busting
my ass trying to earn us a few extra dollars, and I just
gotta have the right tools"
>
> --
> ProfTournesol wrote:
> > I saw a KG486 assembled in SBR the other day if you
> > want to have a test ride.
>
>
>
> G'day,
>
> thanks for the tip Prof. They are quite hard to find
> assembled. I've actually had a test ride, this confirmed
> everything i had read about
> it....now the question is raising the funds & convincing
> the wife!,
>
If it's for racing, you go "hey babe, I'm out there busting
my ass trying to earn us a few extra dollars, and I just
gotta have the right tools"
>
> --
LOL....I like that.....the only problem is at $50 a week payout for winning the average scratch race (if I don't get promoted)....even SHE will be able to work out how long it will take to pay for a $10K bike!....I'd have been better putting the lot on Lonhro!.....maybe you can come & have a 'word' on my behalf!,
cheers,
Hitchy
H
Hippy
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"jazmo" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Yeah, raced there on Sunday and rode C grade. Finished
> somewhere in
the
> middle of the somewhat spread out bunch (It spread out
> right at the
end
> of the race with those wanting to sprint going forward and
> those not bothering staying back.)
Very noice.. except for the fact that you now pose a
threat to me
> You'd be happy to know that Rick won the race in the final
sprint!!![\B]
Mad.. that means, with good positioning I could be up
there now!
> Tried to break away with Rick 3/4 into the race but
> I really had no chance. Barely got any distance on
> the bunch.
See my (soon to be posted) METEC RR from last week
regarding breaks...
> Average speed was about 38 km/h.
I should have a look at mine...
hippy
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> Yeah, raced there on Sunday and rode C grade. Finished
> somewhere in
the
> middle of the somewhat spread out bunch (It spread out
> right at the
end
> of the race with those wanting to sprint going forward and
> those not bothering staying back.)
Very noice.. except for the fact that you now pose a
threat to me
> You'd be happy to know that Rick won the race in the final
sprint!!![\B]
Mad.. that means, with good positioning I could be up
there now!
> Tried to break away with Rick 3/4 into the race but
> I really had no chance. Barely got any distance on
> the bunch.
See my (soon to be posted) METEC RR from last week
regarding breaks...
> Average speed was about 38 km/h.
I should have a look at mine...
hippy
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Peter Vesel
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"hippy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> That Chorus is better than DA. I thought Chorus was up
> against Ultegra?
>
Ultegra lines up with Centaur (Daytona).... Veloce with
105.... and Durace is kinda between Chorus and Record.
(although you can't complain about any of these 3)
For the time being Durace is the only shimano 10 speed
whereas all the campag groups listed are available as 10
speed (and 9 speed as well if you look hard enough for
old stock)
Peter
news:SG63c.93906$Wa.49887@news->
> That Chorus is better than DA. I thought Chorus was up
> against Ultegra?
>
Ultegra lines up with Centaur (Daytona).... Veloce with
105.... and Durace is kinda between Chorus and Record.
(although you can't complain about any of these 3)
For the time being Durace is the only shimano 10 speed
whereas all the campag groups listed are available as 10
speed (and 9 speed as well if you look hard enough for
old stock)
Peter
Is there a site where I can see exploded diagrams of the various groupos? I wanna see which models have flyingd's POD (plastic of doom)
I'd love to have a proper go with Campag shifters but no bugger I know owns a Campag-fitted bike..
What's the price diff between Centaur and Ultegra? (cecilwalker is down and I might not find prices..)
Nevermind... SBR has come to my aid...
Record 10sp $2899
Chorus 10sp $1865
Daytona 9sp $1269
Daytona 10sp $1420
Veloce 9sp $900
Dura Ace $2587
Ultegra $1673
105 $1414
Tiagra $975
$400.. okay, substantial.. still don't like their shifters though.. anyone wanna lend me a Campy bike?
Pretty please? hippy
Originally posted by hippy
Is there a site where I can see exploded diagrams of the various groupos? I wanna see which models have flyingd's POD (plastic of doom)
I'd love to have a proper go with Campag shifters but no bugger I know owns a Campag-fitted bike..
What's the price diff between Centaur and Ultegra? (cecilwalker is down and I might not find prices..)
Nevermind... SBR has come to my aid...
Record 10sp $2899
Chorus 10sp $1865
Daytona 9sp $1269
Daytona 10sp $1420
Veloce 9sp $900
Dura Ace $2587
Ultegra $1673
105 $1414
Tiagra $975
$400.. okay, substantial.. still don't like their shifters though.. anyone wanna lend me a Campy bike?
hippy
G'day,
I've got very little experience with Campy either. I've had acouple of go's, but can't seem to get my 'head around' the 'thumb' thingies. I suppose you'd get used to it after awhile. I've always ridden Big S (except for my first roadie that had 'suntour'). I'm considering whether to go for record on the new bike, (i'm not sparing the horses!) but I guess I'll stay with Big S simply because all the stuff on the training bike (current 'good' bike) is Big S, so that wheels remain interchangeable at will...decisions, decisions,
cheers,
Hitchy
My Chorus04 was $1550 (and that was a triple. oh, the shame... )
welcome to have a lend of my bike. i'll swap you a go on your singlespeed mtb
all your quoted prices (for campag stuff at least seem to be inflated by apprx 20%) Veloce 9spd at $700 has gotta be the best value bang-for-buck around.
you missed a couple of more campag grouppos too:
Mirage and Xenon (admittedly not fabulous) and another Shimano one too perhaps
Hitchy, if youre worried about changing over wheels between the two, just get a spare cassette hub/body that you can put on your shimano hubs/wheels and swap wheels at will
Ultegra 1189
Centaur 1025
Altho even I would be swayed to go for Ultegra if it were simply out of these two
As for the thumb shifters, whats not to get hitchy?
Apart from the fact you can change a whole lotta more gears
(all of the cogs in one go if necessary...) at once. No more mad click-click-clicking. just hold your thumb down
and one for the saddists, with campag you can cruise up behind someone and just freewheel, emitting that beautiful tickling sound from the rearhub ratchet. Very Kraftwerk!
as for POD, hippy. the camapg site has Xploded diags but as far as i know doesnt itemise what is made of what.
Also clouded by both shimano and camapgs policy of speccing different/variable parts for different markets.
USA get the best stuff, Europe and then us antipodean lot get last years' spares...
welcome to have a lend of my bike. i'll swap you a go on your singlespeed mtb
all your quoted prices (for campag stuff at least seem to be inflated by apprx 20%) Veloce 9spd at $700 has gotta be the best value bang-for-buck around.
you missed a couple of more campag grouppos too:
Mirage and Xenon (admittedly not fabulous) and another Shimano one too perhaps
Hitchy, if youre worried about changing over wheels between the two, just get a spare cassette hub/body that you can put on your shimano hubs/wheels and swap wheels at will
Ultegra 1189
Centaur 1025
Altho even I would be swayed to go for Ultegra if it were simply out of these two
As for the thumb shifters, whats not to get hitchy?
Apart from the fact you can change a whole lotta more gears
(all of the cogs in one go if necessary...) at once. No more mad click-click-clicking. just hold your thumb down
and one for the saddists, with campag you can cruise up behind someone and just freewheel, emitting that beautiful tickling sound from the rearhub ratchet. Very Kraftwerk!
as for POD, hippy. the camapg site has Xploded diags but as far as i know doesnt itemise what is made of what.
Also clouded by both shimano and camapgs policy of speccing different/variable parts for different markets.
USA get the best stuff, Europe and then us antipodean lot get last years' spares...
>Originally posted by flyingdutch
>welcome to have a lend of my bike.
>i'll swap you a go on your singlespeed mtb
Cheers.. but you do realise my SS is worth about as
much as a shift lever on your bike (and THAT's mostly
sentimental value!)
>all your quoted prices (for campag stuff at least
>seem to be inflated by apprx 20%) Veloce 9spd
>at $700 has gotta be the best value bang-for-buck
>around.
These were all taken straight off SBR's website, so the
prices for Shimano should be 20% inflated too. Where's
the best place to find prices for Campag stuff?
>you missed a couple of more campag grouppos too:
>Mirage and Xenon (admittedly not fabulous) and
>another Shimano one too perhaps
Again, I only typed the ones that SBR had listed. It was
only and indicator for me for relative prices. I wanted to
see where everything "fits" in both ranges.
>Ultegra 1189 vs Centaur 1025
>Altho even I would be swayed to go for Ultegra if it
>were simply out of these two
Why is that? It's more expensive and not Campy...?
>As for the thumb shifters, whats not to get hitchy?
>Apart from the fact you can change a whole lotta
>more gears (all of the cogs in one go if necessary...)
>at once. No more mad >click-click-clicking. just hold
>your thumb down
Changing lots of gears at once isn't always good
Which direction does it work? From memory, the thumb
lever forced my hands in a strange position and at the
time I didn't think it would be great for sprinting with..?
>and one for the saddists, with campag you can cruise
>up behind someone and just freewheel, emitting that
>beautiful tickling sound from the rearhub ratchet.
Just like Chris King rear hubs in the trials/mtb scene..
Damn they are noisy!!
>as for POD, hippy. the camapg site has Xploded diags
>but as far as i know doesnt itemise what is made of
>what.
Do you know of any durability comparisons for the two
brands?
>USA get the best stuff, Europe and then us antipodean
>lot get last years' spares...
Grrr...
hippy
>welcome to have a lend of my bike.
>i'll swap you a go on your singlespeed mtb
Cheers.. but you do realise my SS is worth about as
much as a shift lever on your bike (and THAT's mostly
sentimental value!
)>all your quoted prices (for campag stuff at least
>seem to be inflated by apprx 20%) Veloce 9spd
>at $700 has gotta be the best value bang-for-buck
>around.
These were all taken straight off SBR's website, so the
prices for Shimano should be 20% inflated too. Where's
the best place to find prices for Campag stuff?
>you missed a couple of more campag grouppos too:
>Mirage and Xenon (admittedly not fabulous) and
>another Shimano one too perhaps
Again, I only typed the ones that SBR had listed. It was
only and indicator for me for relative prices. I wanted to
see where everything "fits" in both ranges.
>Ultegra 1189 vs Centaur 1025
>Altho even I would be swayed to go for Ultegra if it
>were simply out of these two
Why is that? It's more expensive and not Campy...?
>As for the thumb shifters, whats not to get hitchy?
>Apart from the fact you can change a whole lotta
>more gears (all of the cogs in one go if necessary...)
>at once. No more mad >click-click-clicking. just hold
>your thumb down
Changing lots of gears at once isn't always good
Which direction does it work? From memory, the thumb
lever forced my hands in a strange position and at the
time I didn't think it would be great for sprinting with..?
>and one for the saddists, with campag you can cruise
>up behind someone and just freewheel, emitting that
>beautiful tickling sound from the rearhub ratchet.
Just like Chris King rear hubs in the trials/mtb scene..
Damn they are noisy!!
>as for POD, hippy. the camapg site has Xploded diags
>but as far as i know doesnt itemise what is made of
>what.
Do you know of any durability comparisons for the two
brands?
>USA get the best stuff, Europe and then us antipodean
>lot get last years' spares...
Grrr...
hippy
>>Do you know of any durability comparisons for the two
brands?
Campag wears in, Shimano wears out is what I was always told
not that 'they' were biased, mind...
Centaur is abit of a halfling. good price point but I,ve read alotta bad comments on it (shifters in particular)
Thumb shifter is press down and you go onto smaller cogs.
I only ever go 2 at a time anyway if Im about to standup or if Im doing a double shift in conjunction with the chainring
Read an interview with Zabel last year saying he loves all his better opponents using DA/BigS cos he can hear when they are changing gears. now that's gotta hit a nerve wit ewe...
brands?
Campag wears in, Shimano wears out is what I was always told
not that 'they' were biased, mind...
Centaur is abit of a halfling. good price point but I,ve read alotta bad comments on it (shifters in particular)
Thumb shifter is press down and you go onto smaller cogs.
I only ever go 2 at a time anyway if Im about to standup or if Im doing a double shift in conjunction with the chainring
Read an interview with Zabel last year saying he loves all his better opponents using DA/BigS cos he can hear when they are changing gears. now that's gotta hit a nerve wit ewe...
>Campag wears in, Shimano wears out is what
>I was always told
I've heard that before too, but there is certainly
a lot of bias in cycling. "I've got it, it must be the
best" kinda thing.
>Thumb shifter is press down and you go onto
>smaller cogs.
Yeah, so in a sprint, on the hoods, I have to
angle my hands kinda strange to change up.
I guess practise would make it a non-issue.
>Read an interview with Zabel last year saying
>he loves all his better opponents using DA/BigS
>cos he can hear when they are changing gears.
>now that's gotta hit a nerve wit ewe...
Better opponents? Coz they use Shimano!
Seriously though, my bike shifts soooo sweet
sometimes but other times, usually when I'm
secretly sucking wheel.. it makes a nice loud
shift... maybe that's just my brain making
everything louder coz I'm being sneaky?
hippy
stop it! i don't WANT another groupset!
>I was always told
I've heard that before too, but there is certainly
a lot of bias in cycling. "I've got it, it must be the
best" kinda thing.
>Thumb shifter is press down and you go onto
>smaller cogs.
Yeah, so in a sprint, on the hoods, I have to
angle my hands kinda strange to change up.
I guess practise would make it a non-issue.
>Read an interview with Zabel last year saying
>he loves all his better opponents using DA/BigS
>cos he can hear when they are changing gears.
>now that's gotta hit a nerve wit ewe...
Better opponents? Coz they use Shimano!
Seriously though, my bike shifts soooo sweet
sometimes but other times, usually when I'm
secretly sucking wheel.. it makes a nice loud
shift... maybe that's just my brain making
everything louder coz I'm being sneaky?
hippy
stop it! i don't WANT another groupset!
Originally posted by hippy
stop it! i don't WANT another groupset!
Now I knows you iz a liar, hipsta!
I gotta box of Veloce (8spd) and Atlanta deep-rim-wheels left over from my recent upgrade that I might build up into a crit-warrior (the thought of getting gravel rash on dem carbon levers is just to much for a koala to bear!)
Unless anyone is interested...
I want a double chainset to replace my current triple so I can hold my head a tad higher at the races
hey flyingdutch
you hold your head higher by winning! Roberto heras won a Tour of Spain using a triple
