Look & SPD

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  1. Paul Westall

    Paul Westall Guest

    Can someone enlighten me about pedal cleats? Am I correct that Look and SPD are the main cleats?
    Which do people prefer, pros and cons. Also, do most Campy pedals use Look cleats, or does Campy
    have their own/ TIA Paul
     
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  2. Ken

    Ken Guest

    "Paul Westall" <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:
    > Can someone enlighten me about pedal cleats? Am I correct that Look and SPD are the main cleats?
    > Which do people prefer, pros and cons.

    There are many others, especially Time. What's best for you depends on many factors, including what
    you use them for, how much you want to pay, etc.
     
  3. A Muzi

    A Muzi Guest

    "Paul Westall" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > Can someone enlighten me about pedal cleats? Am I correct that Look and
    SPD
    > are the main cleats? Which do people prefer, pros and cons. Also, do
    most
    > Campy pedals use Look cleats, or does Campy have their own/

    At one time both Shimano and Campagnolo sold Look rebadged pedals (a fine and sensible situation
    which of course ended).

    The current Campagnolo ProFit is a minor enhancement from Look's basic design ( the wearing edge is
    metal/metal instead of nylon) in a smaller lighter body.

    --
    Andrew Muzi http://www.yellowjersey.org Open every day since 1 April 1971
     
  4. In article <[email protected]>, "Paul Westall"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Can someone enlighten me about pedal cleats? Am I correct that Look and SPD are the main cleats?
    > Which do people prefer, pros and cons. Also, do most Campy pedals use Look cleats, or does Campy
    > have their own/ TIA Paul

    It is fairest to say that Look and SPD are the two most popular systems, and further, that they
    represent the two basic forms most other systems take.

    Look is a wide, road-oriented, non-walkable cleat. Basically, it has a big plastic triangle for a
    cleat that essentially becomes the sole of your shoe. This is exactly as easy to walk in as it
    sounds, and you can identify serious roadies by their awkward but hilarious off-bike gait.

    The upside is excellent power-transfer, very positive engagement, and a generally comfortable
    pedalling platform.

    SPD is a small, recessed cleat. In short, you usually get a basically normal shoe with an SPD cleat,
    and you can walk around in them without trouble, more or less. The engagement is not as positive as
    with a Look cleat, and some report that the narrower cleat causes "hot spots" on their feet. The
    walkability is partly a convenience feature, and partly for MTBers who actually have to put their
    feet down sometimes.

    There are loads of variations. Both Shimano (SPD-SL) and Campy (?) have "Look-like" un-walkable
    pedal systems for roadies. Lots of makers (Speedplay, Time) have cleat/pedal setups that are similar
    to one or the other of these designs, or sometimes rather different, but generally are either
    walkable or not. There are also clones (VP, Wellgo) that are completely compatible with SPD cleats
    and pedals.

    Of the SPD-style designs, XC riders have adopted the fairly new Eggbeater pedals as pretty much the
    perfect design. Super-simple, four points of entry, and very mud-friendly, which is something you
    can't say about ordinary SPD.

    --
    Ryan Cousineau, [email protected] http://www.sfu.ca/~rcousine President, Fabrizio Mazzoleni Fan Club
     
  5. Paul-<< Can someone enlighten me about pedal cleats? Am I correct that Look and SPD are the
    main cleats?

    Road SPD have not been made by shimano for a while. Ritchey makes a road SPD clone but not shimano.

    The main road pedal systems that we see now are-

    LOOK Campagnolo shimano-SPD-r and SPD-SL Speedplay Time

    There are others but these are the most popular, IME.

    << Also, do most Campy pedals use Look cleats, or does Campy have their own/

    Similar to LOOK cleats but unique to Campagnolo pedals.

    Peter Chisholm Vecchio's Bicicletteria 1833 Pearl St. Boulder, CO, 80302
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  6. crush

    crush Guest

    A dumb q have felt a hot spot - got some (used) spd-r or -l (not in front of them now) but the
    length of the axis the distance from the threads to the pedal seem ~2cm greater - putting my feet
    farther apart! Methinks this is not a good thing! Is there a purpose in this desgn? tnx Chuck
     
  7. Eddie Flayer

    Eddie Flayer Guest

    Shimano does make the A515 which is a one sided spd pedal. I would consider this an spd road pedal.
    I was using spd's and then thought I'd try Looks. Once I got clipped into the Looks I was
    comfortable. Sometimes getting in quickly was less than easy and sometimes at lights I nearly bought
    the farm due to the slippery plastic cleat and slippery shoe bottom. I have since switched back to
    spd's on all 3 road bikes. I'm a bit concerned about hot spots with spd's but have recently
    purchased my first new pair of shoes in about 5 years and hope new Sidi Dominators will be
    comfortable.

    [email protected] (Qui si parla Campagnolo) wrote in message
    news:<[email protected]>...
    > Paul-<< Can someone enlighten me about pedal cleats? Am I correct that Look and SPD are the
    > main cleats?
    >
    > Road SPD have not been made by shimano for a while. Ritchey makes a road SPD clone but not
    > shimano.
    >
    > The main road pedal systems that we see now are-
    >
    > LOOK Campagnolo shimano-SPD-r and SPD-SL Speedplay Time
    >
    > There are others but these are the most popular, IME.
    >
    >
    > << Also, do most Campy pedals use Look cleats, or does Campy have their own/
    >
    > Similar to LOOK cleats but unique to Campagnolo pedals.
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > Peter Chisholm Vecchio's Bicicletteria 1833 Pearl St. Boulder, CO, 80302
    > (303)440-3535 http://www.vecchios.com "Ruote convenzionali costruite eccezionalmente bene"
     
  8. Tim McTeague

    Tim McTeague Guest

    I am using SPD 959 pedals on my road bike, I bought them for my Mt bike and, after testing on the
    road bike, did not take them off. My Sidi Dominators have a very stiff sole and I have had not "hot
    spot" issues. Still, the Sidis make me walk a bit gingerly as they are so stiff and have hard
    plastic tread pieces. It's nice to be able to clip in quickly at lights and not have the shoe skid
    off if my cleat/pedal alignment was slightly off the way I did with Looks.

    Tim

    "eddie flayer" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > Shimano does make the A515 which is a one sided spd pedal. I would consider this an spd road
    > pedal. I was using spd's and then thought I'd try Looks. Once I got clipped into the Looks I was
    > comfortable. Sometimes getting in quickly was less than easy and sometimes at lights I nearly
    > bought the farm due to the slippery plastic cleat and slippery shoe bottom. I have since switched
    > back to spd's on all 3 road bikes. I'm a bit concerned about hot spots with spd's but have
    > recently purchased my first new pair of shoes in about 5 years and hope new Sidi Dominators will
    > be comfortable.
    >
    >
    > [email protected] (Qui si parla Campagnolo) wrote in message
    news:<[email protected]>...
    > > Paul-<< Can someone enlighten me about pedal cleats? Am I correct that
    Look
    > > and SPD are the main cleats?
    > >
    > > Road SPD have not been made by shimano for a while. Ritchey makes a road
    SPD
    > > clone but not shimano.
    > >
    > > The main road pedal systems that we see now are-
    > >
    > > LOOK Campagnolo shimano-SPD-r and SPD-SL Speedplay Time
    > >
    > > There are others but these are the most popular, IME.
    > >
    > >
    > > << Also, do most Campy pedals use Look cleats, or does Campy have their own/
    > >
    > > Similar to LOOK cleats but unique to Campagnolo pedals.
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > Peter Chisholm Vecchio's Bicicletteria 1833 Pearl St. Boulder, CO, 80302
    > > (303)440-3535 http://www.vecchios.com "Ruote convenzionali costruite eccezionalmente bene"
     
  9. Kbh

    Kbh Guest

    that dangerous slippage, combined with walking like a goof is driving me away from Look. I have the
    one sided Shimano 'road' pedals and while they're nice, there's no reason not to go double sided.

    "Tim McTeague" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > I am using SPD 959 pedals on my road bike, I bought them for my Mt bike
    and,
    > after testing on the road bike, did not take them off. My Sidi Dominators have a very stiff sole
    > and I have had not "hot spot" issues. Still, the Sidis make me walk a bit gingerly as they are so
    > stiff and have hard
    plastic
    > tread pieces. It's nice to be able to clip in quickly at lights and not have the shoe skid off if
    > my cleat/pedal alignment was slightly off the
    way
    > I did with Looks.
    >
    > Tim
    >
    > "eddie flayer" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > Shimano does make the A515 which is a one sided spd pedal. I would consider this an spd road
    > > pedal. I was using spd's and then thought I'd try Looks. Once I got clipped into the Looks I was
    > > comfortable. Sometimes getting in quickly was less than easy and sometimes at lights I nearly
    > > bought the farm due to the slippery plastic cleat and slippery shoe bottom. I have since
    > > switched back to spd's on all 3 road bikes. I'm a bit concerned about hot spots with spd's but
    > > have recently purchased my first new pair of shoes in about 5 years and hope new Sidi Dominators
    > > will be comfortable.
    > >
    > >
    > > [email protected] (Qui si parla Campagnolo) wrote in message
    > news:<[email protected]>...
    > > > Paul-<< Can someone enlighten me about pedal cleats? Am I correct
    that
    > Look
    > > > and SPD are the main cleats?
    > > >
    > > > Road SPD have not been made by shimano for a while. Ritchey makes a
    road
    > SPD
    > > > clone but not shimano.
    > > >
    > > > The main road pedal systems that we see now are-
    > > >
    > > > LOOK Campagnolo shimano-SPD-r and SPD-SL Speedplay Time
    > > >
    > > > There are others but these are the most popular, IME.
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > << Also, do most Campy pedals use Look cleats, or does Campy have their own/
    > > >
    > > > Similar to LOOK cleats but unique to Campagnolo pedals.
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > Peter Chisholm Vecchio's Bicicletteria 1833 Pearl St. Boulder, CO, 80302
    > > > (303)440-3535 http://www.vecchios.com "Ruote convenzionali costruite eccezionalmente bene"
     
  10. In article <[email protected]>, "KBH" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > that dangerous slippage, combined with walking like a goof is driving me away from Look. I
    > have the one sided Shimano 'road' pedals and while they're nice, there's no reason not to go
    > double sided.

    Or four-sided, as with the very light and popular Eggbeaters. If you're looking for walkability and
    not invested in a pedal system already, there's no reason not to use them on a road bike, too.

    My only current excuses for not buying Eggbeaters is that I already have three pairs of SPD pedals,
    and I like the Shimano DX platform SPDs for mountain biking.

    --
    Ryan Cousineau, [email protected] http://www.sfu.ca/~rcousine President, Fabrizio Mazzoleni Fan Club
     
  11. A Muzi <[email protected]> wrote:
    : At one time both Shimano and Campagnolo sold Look rebadged pedals (a fine and sensible situation
    : which of course ended).

    : The current Campagnolo ProFit is a minor enhancement from Look's basic design ( the wearing edge
    : is metal/metal instead of nylon) in a smaller lighter body.

    Does that mean that you could buy one pair of shoes, and use it with all kinds of Look-clones:
    Shimano, Campy ProFit and so on?

    --
    Risto Varanka | http://www.helsinki.fi/~rvaranka/ varis at no spam please iki fi
     
  12. Kbh

    Kbh Guest

    I've begun peeing on the bike as well, stopped though ;)

    Yes, its all about the recessed cleat with a rubber soul.

    "Paul Southworth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:lA_pa.34729$A%[email protected]...
    > In article <[email protected]>, KBH <[email protected]>
    wrote:
    > >Does safe slippage seem less odd?
    > >
    > >Congratu^%&inglations to Look, but the combination of smooth, hard
    plastic
    > >shoe bottoms and smooth hard metal pedals can caused some painful mishaps getting clipped in.
    > >Sometimes its nice to just put your pedal down and
    get
    > >clipped in _after_ you cross the intersection, and that's easier
    (possible)
    > >with SPD
    >
    > I really don't agree with this analysis - I have been using both SPD and
    Look
    > for many years and I find Look is vastly easier to clip in on the first
    try,
    > and I find that if you use a road bike shoe with a smooth sole, they slip easily on SPD pedals.
    > Only shoes with some rubber on the bottom are much good for pedalling while unclipped.
    >
    > >As for walking, depends on what your priority is. If its difficult to go piss in the woods, much
    > >less hike up a hillside to get a view or walk
    more
    > >than 12 feet to accomplish something, then those aren't very useful shoes for anything but being
    > >on the saddle, and part of the fun of riding recreationally is checking stuff out.
    >
    > I have no problem taking a piss in cleats, why does that require walking? :)
    >
    > I agree that SPDs with a rubber-soled shoe are a lot better for walking. But a smooth-soled road
    > shoe with no rubber lugs still sucks for walking even if it has SPD cleats on it.
    >
    > --Paul
     
  13. A Muzi

    A Muzi Guest

    > A Muzi <[email protected]> wrote:
    > : At one time both Shimano and Campagnolo sold Look rebadged pedals (a
    fine
    > : and sensible situation which of course ended).
    >
    > : The current Campagnolo ProFit is a minor enhancement from Look's basic design ( the wearing edge
    > : is metal/metal instead of nylon) in a smaller lighter body.

    <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > Does that mean that you could buy one pair of shoes, and use it with all kinds of Look-clones:
    > Shimano, Campy ProFit and so on?

    No. Campagnolo's ProFit cannot use Look cleats nor the reverse. Shimano's new design is slightly
    out-of-plane so it can't engage Look cleats either

    As mentioned here today regarding SPD, pedal designers go out of their way to ensure
    imcompatibility. This relates both to design patents and to obstinance, IMHO.

    Notice that Welgo's (Ritchey) cleat is damn near compatible with SPD - just enough to hurt someone.
    And Exus' excellent Look type pedal will perform flawlessly with Look black cleats but will not
    release red ones. ( I am one of the three people on earth to use Look black cleats which is how I
    discovered that)

    I am convinced that Look's prescient 1980's design is the consummate clipless design for riding
    bicycles. Since other people have other criteria besides riding bicycles( selling pedals, walking
    after riding, etc) there are other pedals to suit those needs and they are not Look-compatible.
    --
    Andrew Muzi http://www.yellowjersey.org Open every day since 1 April 1971
     
  14. On Wed, 23 Apr 2003 13:10:49 +0000, Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:

    > The main road pedal systems that we see now are-
    >
    > LOOK Campagnolo shimano-SPD-r and SPD-SL Speedplay Time

    While I'm usually a Campy fan, I use Speedplay pedals. The float is great, and clipping in and out
    is easier than any other system I've tried. The power transfer is about as solid as you want.

    The big cleat eliminates hot spots, and lasts lots longer than the Look cleat.

    The only drawback is the price. They are way too expensive - but worth
    it.

    They are also sensitive to dirt. The cleats easily get pack with dirt, and then you have a problem
    clipping in.

    Just about everyone I know who has tried Speedplays has stayed with them.

    -Dondo
     
  15. KBH wrote:
    > I've begun peeing on the bike as well, stopped though ;)
    >
    > Yes, its all about the recessed cleat with a rubber soul.
    >

    Rubber soul. Now that is just too much ;)))))))

    --
    Perre

    You have to be smarter than a robot to reply.
     
  16. A Muzi <[email protected]> wrote:
    : <[email protected]> wrote in message
    : news:[email protected]...
    :> Does that mean that you could buy one pair of shoes, and use it with all kinds of Look-clones:
    :> Shimano, Campy ProFit and so on?

    : No. Campagnolo's ProFit cannot use Look cleats nor the reverse. Shimano's new design is slightly
    : out-of-plane so it can't engage Look cleats either

    I was thinking more of shoe/cleat or shoe/pedal relationship. Say you have a Shimano shoe that's
    listed as "Look-compatible", so could you put a Campy Profit cleat on it and happily go with
    Campy pedals?

    Maybe that's not very close to ideal... I hear even using some Shimano shoes which can take Look
    cleats is less than ideal. (Shimano was primarily thinking of their own cleats.)

    --
    Risto Varanka | http://www.helsinki.fi/~rvaranka/ varis at no spam please iki fi
     
  17. A Muzi

    A Muzi Guest

    > : <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > : news:[email protected]...
    > :> Does that mean that you could buy one pair of shoes, and use it with all kinds of Look-clones:
    > :> Shimano, Campy ProFit and so on?

    > A Muzi <[email protected]> wrote:
    > : No. Campagnolo's ProFit cannot use Look cleats nor the reverse. Shimano's new design is slightly
    > : out-of-plane so it can't engage Look
    cleats
    > : either

    <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > I was thinking more of shoe/cleat or shoe/pedal relationship. Say you have a Shimano shoe that's
    > listed as "Look-compatible", so could you put a Campy Profit cleat on it and happily go with Campy
    > pedals? Maybe that's not very close to ideal... I hear even using some Shimano shoes which can
    > take Look cleats is less than ideal. (Shimano was primarily thinking of their own cleats.)

    Most modern road shoes can accept either two-bolt or three-bolt cleats. I don't know of any current
    Shimano road shoes that can't accept a Look or Campagnolo cleat.

    --
    Andrew Muzi http://www.yellowjersey.org Open every day since 1 April 1971
     
  18. Frank121

    Frank121 Guest

    I have Shimano SH-R072 road shoes that work with Look cleats/pedals, but I don't think they are
    listed on the current Shimano site.

    I bought a pair a year or so ago from a bike shop when I was out of town (no LBS here) and liked
    their width (wider than others I had tried, which I liked, but not mega-wide) so well I just bought
    two more pair from Penn Cycle:

    http://penncycle.com/site/itemdetails.cfm?ID=1178

    Maybe other local bike shops have them too.

    Frank

    "A Muzi" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > > : <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > : news:[email protected]...
    > > :> Does that mean that you could buy one pair of shoes, and use it with all kinds of
    > > :> Look-clones: Shimano, Campy ProFit and so on?
    >
    > > A Muzi <[email protected]> wrote:
    > > : No. Campagnolo's ProFit cannot use Look cleats nor the reverse. Shimano's new design is
    > > : slightly out-of-plane so it can't engage Look
    > cleats
    > > : either
    >
    >
    > <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > I was thinking more of shoe/cleat or shoe/pedal relationship. Say you have a Shimano shoe that's
    > > listed as "Look-compatible", so could you put a Campy Profit cleat on it and happily go with
    > > Campy pedals? Maybe that's not very close to ideal... I hear even using some Shimano shoes which
    > > can take Look cleats is less than ideal. (Shimano was primarily thinking of their own cleats.)
    >
    > Most modern road shoes can accept either two-bolt or three-bolt cleats. I don't know of any
    > current Shimano road shoes that can't accept a Look or Campagnolo cleat.
    >
    > --
    > Andrew Muzi http://www.yellowjersey.org Open every day since 1 April 1971
     
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