Lousy Old Beloki

Discussion in 'Road Cycling' started by Tom Kunich, Sep 1, 2005.

  1. Tom Kunich

    Tom Kunich Guest

    "Beloki does a turn on the front now. He has Heras on his wheel, and
    suddenly the peloton gets very small. Good work by Beloki.

    Aitor Gonzalez is dropped."

    Yeah, that Beloki certainly is a terrible rider. And we're ALL sure
    that he won't be able to offer a lick of help to Heras.
     
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  2. Tom Kunich

    Tom Kunich Guest

    Heras looks like a God on the climbs! Why couldn't he be this
    spectacular in the Tour?
     
  3. Jet

    Jet Guest

    On 1 Sep 2005 08:03:41 -0700, "Tom Kunich" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Heras looks like a God on the climbs! Why couldn't he be this
    >spectacular in the Tour?


    How are you seeing the V, Tom?

    -jet
     
  4. Tom Kunich

    Tom Kunich Guest

    In my mind's eye through cyclingnews.com.

    And of course in the World Cycling Videos to come.
     
  5. Jet

    Jet Guest

    On 1 Sep 2005 08:44:43 -0700, "Tom Kunich" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >In my mind's eye through cyclingnews.com.
    >
    >And of course in the World Cycling Videos to come.


    Yeah this would probably be a good one to get. I'm surprised there are no
    videos up on this anywhere. ;-/

    Guess we'll have to wait until 9/18/2005 2:00 pm - 3:00 pm VUELTA A ESPANA

    -jet
     
  6. Robert Chung

    Robert Chung Guest

    Jet wrote:
    > On 1 Sep 2005 08:44:43 -0700, "Tom Kunich" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> In my mind's eye through cyclingnews.com.
    >>
    >> And of course in the World Cycling Videos to come.

    >
    > Yeah this would probably be a good one to get. I'm surprised there are
    > no videos up on this anywhere. ;-/


    To me it felt more inexorable than dramatic. When Liberty Seguros went to
    the front at the bottom of the last hill and started applying the pressure
    the only question was would riders come off in a big split or one-by-one.
    It was the latter, like death by a thousand slices. There were no big
    surges, just relentless disheartening pace. Menchov was the last to drop,
    at 1200 meters to go, and Heras didn't bother to put in much of an attack
    at all; Menchov's legs had simply reached their limit. I only ever saw one
    guy who was dropped catch back on, and that was only a delay of the
    inevitable. Each of the rest had to struggle up the hill in solitary hell.
     
  7. Jet

    Jet Guest

    On Thu, 1 Sep 2005 18:21:53 +0200, "Robert Chung" <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >Jet wrote:
    >> On 1 Sep 2005 08:44:43 -0700, "Tom Kunich" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >>> In my mind's eye through cyclingnews.com.
    >>>
    >>> And of course in the World Cycling Videos to come.

    >>
    >> Yeah this would probably be a good one to get. I'm surprised there are
    >> no videos up on this anywhere. ;-/

    >
    >To me it felt more inexorable than dramatic. When Liberty Seguros went to
    >the front at the bottom of the last hill and started applying the pressure
    >the only question was would riders come off in a big split or one-by-one.
    >It was the latter, like death by a thousand slices. There were no big
    >surges, just relentless disheartening pace. Menchov was the last to drop,
    >at 1200 meters to go, and Heras didn't bother to put in much of an attack
    >at all; Menchov's legs had simply reached their limit. I only ever saw one
    >guy who was dropped catch back on, and that was only a delay of the
    >inevitable. Each of the rest had to struggle up the hill in solitary hell.
    >


    Thanks, Robert.

    BTW, very classy prose. The first part, ending with "...like death by a
    thousand slices" just gave me chills.

    -jet
     
  8. "Tom Kunich" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > Heras looks like a God on the climbs! Why couldn't he be this
    > spectacular in the Tour?
    >


    Time to rescind your recurrent "Heras is only good on the ultra-steep
    climbs" comments.

    From esciclismo.com:

    Heras, por otra parte, intentó explicar las diferencias entre el ciclista de
    la Vuelta y el que se vio hace menos de dos meses en el Tour: "Las
    sensaciones que tenía en el Tour es que mi cuerpo no podía estar al nivel
    que yo pretendía, y aquí en la Vuelta sí. No encuentro explicación, pero
    habrá que buscarla este invierno".

    <Heras himself can't explain the difference in his Tour form vs his Vuelta
    form>
     
  9. Peter Allen

    Peter Allen Guest

    Geraard Spergen wrote:
    > "Tom Kunich" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> Heras looks like a God on the climbs! Why couldn't he be this
    >> spectacular in the Tour?
    >>

    >
    > Time to rescind your recurrent "Heras is only good on the ultra-steep
    > climbs" comments.
    >
    > From esciclismo.com:
    >
    > Heras, por otra parte, intentó explicar las diferencias entre el
    > ciclista de la Vuelta y el que se vio hace menos de dos meses en el
    > Tour: "Las sensaciones que tenía en el Tour es que mi cuerpo no podía
    > estar al nivel que yo pretendía, y aquí en la Vuelta sí. No encuentro
    > explicación, pero habrá que buscarla este invierno".
    >
    > <Heras himself can't explain the difference in his Tour form vs his
    > Vuelta form>


    Heras is not so stupid as to say in public that he ignored his team's
    instructions to peak for the Tour, IMO.

    Will be interesting to see if he does the same next year with no Armstrong.

    Peter
     
  10. Tim Lines

    Tim Lines Guest

    Tom Kunich wrote:
    > "Beloki does a turn on the front now. He has Heras on his wheel, and
    > suddenly the peloton gets very small. Good work by Beloki.
    >
    > Aitor Gonzalez is dropped."
    >
    > Yeah, that Beloki certainly is a terrible rider. And we're ALL sure
    > that he won't be able to offer a lick of help to Heras.
    >


    Regardless of who said what, it's good to see Beloki riding well.
     
  11. Tom Kunich

    Tom Kunich Guest

    "Geraard Spergen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    >
    > "Tom Kunich" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> Heras looks like a God on the climbs! Why couldn't he be this
    >> spectacular in the Tour?
    >>

    >
    > Time to rescind your recurrent "Heras is only good on the ultra-steep
    > climbs" comments.
    >
    > From esciclismo.com:
    >
    > Heras, por otra parte, intentó explicar las diferencias entre el ciclista
    > de
    > la Vuelta y el que se vio hace menos de dos meses en el Tour: "Las
    > sensaciones que tenía en el Tour es que mi cuerpo no podía estar al nivel
    > que yo pretendía, y aquí en la Vuelta sí. No encuentro explicación, pero
    > habrá que buscarla este invierno".
    >
    > <Heras himself can't explain the difference in his Tour form vs his Vuelta
    > form>


    Not precisely - Heras was able to keep with other "normal" riders on the
    less steep inclines, but he doesn't look superior until it gets really steep
    such as where he dropped Menchov today.

    "Heras, for his part, cannot explain his differences between the Vuelta form
    and the Tour. "The sensations I had in the Tour and those here in the Vuelta
    are not the same. I can't explain why but will try to study it this winter."
     
  12. Tom Kunich

    Tom Kunich Guest

    "Peter Allen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > Geraard Spergen wrote:
    >> "Tom Kunich" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>> Heras looks like a God on the climbs! Why couldn't he be this
    >>> spectacular in the Tour?
    >>>

    >>
    >> Time to rescind your recurrent "Heras is only good on the ultra-steep
    >> climbs" comments.
    >>
    >> From esciclismo.com:
    >>
    >> Heras, por otra parte, intentó explicar las diferencias entre el
    >> ciclista de la Vuelta y el que se vio hace menos de dos meses en el
    >> Tour: "Las sensaciones que tenía en el Tour es que mi cuerpo no podía
    >> estar al nivel que yo pretendía, y aquí en la Vuelta sí. No encuentro
    >> explicación, pero habrá que buscarla este invierno".
    >>
    >> <Heras himself can't explain the difference in his Tour form vs his
    >> Vuelta form>

    >
    > Heras is not so stupid as to say in public that he ignored his team's
    > instructions to peak for the Tour, IMO.
    >
    > Will be interesting to see if he does the same next year with no
    > Armstrong.
    >
    > Peter


    Most people are early peakers or late peakers. Many simply can't change when
    it happens. Check out the guys who win all of the early races in Belgium and
    see how they look the rest of the year.
     
  13. Tom Kunich

    Tom Kunich Guest

    "Tim Lines" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    >
    > Regardless, it's good to see Beloki riding well.


    Damned right. After that crash he is slowly coming back and could be the
    Tour winner next year. Remember that he was almost the same sort of rider as
    Ivan Basso.
     
  14. Peter Allen

    Peter Allen Guest

    Tom Kunich wrote:
    > "Peter Allen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]
    >>
    >> Heras is not so stupid as to say in public that he ignored his team's
    >> instructions to peak for the Tour, IMO.
    >>
    >> Will be interesting to see if he does the same next year with no
    >> Armstrong.

    >
    > Most people are early peakers or late peakers. Many simply can't
    > change when it happens. Check out the guys who win all of the early
    > races in Belgium and see how they look the rest of the year.


    Yes, because they target the spring classics and train to peak at that time.
    It's a simple process, you might cock up the first couple of years but after
    that you get it right.

    Are you really trying to say that for the last few years Heras has tried to
    peak for the Tour, failed every time and accidentally been on peak form for
    the Vuelta? He didn't ever think to try shifting his last year's training
    programme six weeks back?

    I can do you a really good deal on a nice bridge, you know you want it...

    Peter
     

  15. >
    > Yes, because they target the spring classics and train to peak at that time.
    > It's a simple process, you might cock up the first couple of years but after
    > that you get it right.
    >


    With Viagra, you can cock up whenever you wish.

    --
    critAMATEUR
     
  16. Donald Munro

    Donald Munro Guest

    Tim Lines wrote:
    >> Regardless, it's good to see Beloki riding well.


    Tom Kunich wrote:
    > Damned right. After that crash he is slowly coming back and could be the
    > Tour winner next year. Remember that he was almost the same sort of rider as
    > Ivan Basso.


    He'll have to work on getting his confidence back on the descents though.
     
  17. Bounty Bob

    Bounty Bob Guest

    Tom Kunich wrote:
    > Heras looks like a God on the climbs! Why couldn't he be this
    > spectacular in the Tour?


    How about le Tour will rarely be won by anybody but
    a strongman rider in the future, because every rider
    and every team is chasing the big publicity event, that
    the race is ridden so fast right from the very first
    minute that it hurts the legs of the mountain goats
    even if they do stay in the peloton on the flats.
     
  18. sonarrat

    sonarrat Guest

    Donald Munro wrote:
    > Tim Lines wrote:
    >
    >>>Regardless, it's good to see Beloki riding well.

    >
    >
    > Tom Kunich wrote:
    >
    >>Damned right. After that crash he is slowly coming back and could be the
    >>Tour winner next year. Remember that he was almost the same sort of rider as
    >>Ivan Basso.

    >
    >
    > He'll have to work on getting his confidence back on the descents though.


    He should talk to Bettini. That man is demented.
     
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