low-carb / low-fat ??

Discussion in 'Food and nutrition' started by Ray Miller, Jan 26, 2004.

  1. Ray Miller

    Ray Miller Guest

    Just watched a program in the UK on Atkins.

    It gave a potted history, showing how atkins came from nowhere to huge, and tried to prove or
    disprove some of the claims.

    The conclusion is that Atkins works in exactly the same way as all the other diets. It works because
    people eat less calories. The intriguing bit was WHY people ate fewer calories.

    It seems that probably all the claims are untrue. You can't eat as much as you used to. Fat doesn't
    fill you up. Ketosis doesn't help - it's probably a red herring. etc. (Ketosis may be a smoke and
    mirrors device to keep you OP).

    The answer is that high protein fills you up (probably by suppressing appetite. So on Atkins you eat
    less because you eat more protein.

    Interesting or what!!

    Ray
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  2. Very interesting Ray--thanks for sharing!!!

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    "ray miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > Just watched a program in the UK on Atkins.
    >
    > It gave a potted history, showing how atkins came from nowhere to huge, and tried to prove or
    > disprove some of the claims.
    >
    > The conclusion is that Atkins works in exactly the same way as all the other diets. It works
    > because people eat less calories. The intriguing bit was WHY people ate fewer calories.
    >
    > It seems that probably all the claims are untrue. You can't eat as much as you used to. Fat
    > doesn't fill you up. Ketosis doesn't help - it's probably a red herring. etc. (Ketosis may be a
    > smoke and mirrors device to keep you OP).
    >
    > The answer is that high protein fills you up (probably by suppressing appetite. So on Atkins you
    > eat less because you eat more protein.
    >
    > Interesting or what!!
    >
    > Ray
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  3. Krys

    Krys Guest

    ooh - i watched that too - with fascination. I was sure they were going to tell us it works - but
    that they couldn't figure out why, and then I was going to feel obliged to go and try it.....

    luckily they didn't!

    They showed that eating the protein - NOT the FATS - makes you feel fuller, so you eat less. Ergo -
    you eat less calories than you did before. So, basically it works like all diets - you eat less
    calories - you lose weight.

    i always reckoned that might be the case - my mum has sorta done it, and it sorta worked, and
    basically it means she eats like she did before - minus the pasta/bread etc..........so - less
    calories then!

    however - unlike the wonderful balanced approach of WW - there are still outstanding concerns about
    the long term effects of eating in such a way - the worry being that with it's huge popularity, it's
    like society is having one big diet experiment, with the side-effects lurking to show up in the next
    20 year or so. A scarey thought.

    So, I'll be sticking with WW then........phew, that was a relief!

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    krys

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    "ray miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > Just watched a program in the UK on Atkins.
    >
    > It gave a potted history, showing how atkins came from nowhere to huge, and tried to prove or
    > disprove some of the claims.
    >
    > The conclusion is that Atkins works in exactly the same way as all the other diets. It works
    > because people eat less calories. The intriguing bit was WHY people ate fewer calories.
    >
    > It seems that probably all the claims are untrue. You can't eat as much as you used to. Fat
    > doesn't fill you up. Ketosis doesn't help - it's probably a red herring. etc. (Ketosis may be a
    > smoke and mirrors device to keep you OP).
    >
    > The answer is that high protein fills you up (probably by suppressing appetite. So on Atkins you
    > eat less because you eat more protein.
    >
    > Interesting or what!!
    >
    > Ray
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    > rmnsuk overall - 273/205/182
     
  4. Petal

    Petal Guest

    A lot of us who have been on Atkins before came to this same conclusion, which is why I'm always
    banging on to people about getting more protein to fill you up (and reduce simple carbs). I could
    never stick to such a low carb diet for life, but a lowER carb diet seems to work well for me. If I
    stick to wholegrain versions of bread, rice, and pasta, I feel fuller longer and don't seem to put
    on as much weight.

    I had to laugh, I looked at my old Atkins daily menus recently and no wonder I lost weight:

    Breakfast Omelette: 2 eggs, 1 oz. cheese, turkey bacon, mushrooms

    Lunch Tuna salad: tuna, lettuce, mayo

    Snack almonds

    Dinner lettuce salad dressing grilled chicken

    Total Carbs 21

    Wow, it's a miracle! I lost (a ton of water) weight that week! All the fun ended when the weight
    stopped coming off and I felt ill. It might work for others, but personally, I would never try it
    again. It's not exactly a miracle diet, as you can see from my old menu.

    Cheers, Petal

    "ray miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > Just watched a program in the UK on Atkins.
    >
    > It gave a potted history, showing how atkins came from nowhere to huge, and tried to prove or
    > disprove some of the claims.
    >
    > The conclusion is that Atkins works in exactly the same way as all the other diets. It works
    > because people eat less calories. The intriguing bit was WHY people ate fewer calories.
    >
    > It seems that probably all the claims are untrue. You can't eat as much as you used to. Fat
    > doesn't fill you up. Ketosis doesn't help - it's probably a red herring. etc. (Ketosis may be a
    > smoke and mirrors device to keep you OP).
    >
    > The answer is that high protein fills you up (probably by suppressing appetite. So on Atkins you
    > eat less because you eat more protein.
    >
    > Interesting or what!!
    >
    > Ray
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    > rmnsuk overall - 273/205/182
     
  5. that is very interesting. protein doesn't do it for me in a satisfaction
    way, I need veggies and carbos to feel full, but I don't care for the
    textures of most protein items. I work at eating more and when I get more
    in I do lose better but I find it odd that this theory, which makes so much
    sense is the reason I never tried the diet. The thought of eating that much
    meat just gags me, I am sure I even have a limit on eating bacon, although I
    don't actually know what that would be, Lee
    ray miller <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > Just watched a program in the UK on Atkins.
    >
    > It gave a potted history, showing how atkins came from nowhere to huge, and tried to prove or
    > disprove some of the claims.
    >
    > The conclusion is that Atkins works in exactly the same way as all the other diets. It works
    > because people eat less calories. The intriguing bit was WHY people ate fewer calories.
    >
    > It seems that probably all the claims are untrue. You can't eat as much as you used to. Fat
    > doesn't fill you up. Ketosis doesn't help - it's probably a red herring. etc. (Ketosis may be a
    > smoke and mirrors device to keep you OP).
    >
    > The answer is that high protein fills you up (probably by suppressing appetite. So on Atkins you
    > eat less because you eat more protein.
    >
    > Interesting or what!!
    >
    > Ray
    > --
    > rmnsuk overall - 273/205/182
     
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