I should know better, I suppose - having posted a comment on uk.tosspot regarding the appallingly inadequate sentencing of the woman who killed a cyclist recently (£135 and six points), I ended up arguing the toss with Paul "Mr Safety" Smith about how the cyclist had clearly brought it on himself, the sentence was perfectly proper, and stiffer sentences were no part of the answer, only higher driver skills would do (and of course drivers are all queueing up at the advanced driver training centres because the fines for negligent driving are so high. not). So I put finger to keyboard and came up with a few thoughts. I would value your constructive input. <http://www.chapmancentral.com/Web/public.nsf/Documents/Safer_Roads_Manifesto> Full text posted as a reply. Guy === ** WARNING ** This posting may contain traces of irony. http://www.chapmancentral.com (BT ADSL and dynamic DNS permitting) NOTE: BT Openworld have now blocked port 25 (without notice), so old mail addresses may no longer work. Apologies.