over and outmusette said:bobke -- May I mention that you assume said moderator will accept what you just said.
wolfix said:The moderator needs to step in on this.... I have seen him threaten other posters on this forum for repeatedly posting false info. Frenchifandoesnodope has quoted articles and put false info in them in an attempt to cause forum chaos.....
rejobako said:I'm all for free and open forums, but I agree that an intentional misquotation or fabrication of a published source crosses the line.
barnstorm said:Frenchfan seems to assert that the french test their athletes constantly while other countries leave it to the sport. Did anyone else extrapolate that from his ramblings and edited articles? It hits something that suddenly is bugging me. The past few years, French cycling has been completely in the toilet and I have relentlessly made fun of them for that. I assumed it was something about how they developed riders. I am not trying to get too conspiratorial here because there is plenty of real conspiracy to go around right now. But did anyone else catch that and is there anything to it?
If the French are testing the **** out of their own athletes and the rest of the world is behaving like Liberty seems to have, that would explain a lot.
OK, I won't, especially the dopeyfrenchie who is probably not french at all and keeps posting doctored articles and quotes from non-existant articles. My take on the editing thing is that it is out of line. Some of us are full of **** all of the time and all of us are full of **** some of the time. We all interpret, speculate, postulate, ponder, bait, switch, and berate each other in reasonably good paranoid fun. I have seen plenty of ridiculous spins on topics but at least they were the poster's actual spin. That's what it comes down to, post your own takes or cut and paste real takes but don't put false words in others' mouths.... makes this whole thing no fun at all..cyclingheroes said:Don't stop making fun of the French, they are funny . But yes they are very angry and frustrated and have all reason too.
Lim wanted to contact Frenchnodope so let's wait and see what happends. Let's get back to the Saiz/Fuentes topic.barnstorm said:OK, I won't, especially the dopeyfrenchie who is probably not french at all and keeps posting doctored articles and quotes from non-existant articles. My take on the editing thing is that it is out of line. Some of us are full of **** all of the time and all of us are full of **** some of the time. We all interpret, speculate, postulate, ponder, bait, switch, and berate each other in reasonably good paranoid fun. I have seen plenty of ridiculous spins on topics but at least they were the poster's actual spin. That's what it comes down to, post your own takes or cut and paste real takes but don't put false words in others' mouths.... makes this whole thing no fun at all..
and has anyone noticed how frenchdopes frenglish gets better and worse post to post. I buy the monty python theory. this guy isn't even french. I suppose it could be a cloaked current member screwing with us all or a psychotic refugee from another forum that kicked him off.... but I suspect he is not french.
Translates as: "This has got to be cleaned up. We're tired [people are tired] of these hypocrits and I'm really happy that they're caught. If the police can clean this up right, you'll see a bunch of French riders winning races."cyclingheroes said:At http://www.sport365.fr/depeches/filinfo_118728_1344_Dopage-Beneteau-remonte.shtml you can find some comments from the French cycling world:
Walter Bénéteau (Bouyges Telecom)
"Il faut nettoyer. On en a marre de ces hypocrites et je suis bien content qu'ils se fassent prendre. Si la police nettoie bien, vous allez voir un paquet de Français gagner des courses".
My french is not that good but one of the things Walter says about the Saiz/Fuentes case is that he has had enough of dead riders and hypocrits and that he is statisfied that they where caught. He also says that if the police will hit hard, we will see a serie of French riders that will win races again.
If anybody can make a complete and better translation... that would be great!
Thanks for the translation, as i said my French isn't very good.Say Bidon said:Translates as: "This has got to be cleaned up. We're tired [people are tired] of these hypocrits and I'm really happy that they're caught. If the police can clean this up right, you'll see a bunch of French riders winning races."
Je vous en prie...cyclingheroes said:Thanks for the translation, as i said my French isn't very good.
cyclingheroes said:If anybody can make a complete and better translation... that would be great!
musette said:These doctors are pretty stupid if they think labeling Gutierrez "the buffalo" in Spanish would "encode" and protect the identity of the rider. Gut's nickname in the peloton is "the buffalo", from his breathing. Duuhhhh...
cyclingheroes said:Pressrelease Phonak team
Hombrechtikon, 2006-06-02
Press release
The Phonak Cycling Team has acted in direct response to the connections made in the Spanish media between certain Phonak Cycling Team riders and Dr Fuentes. After consultation with the riders involved, Santiago Botero and José Enrique Gutierrez, the team management decided that neither rider will be selected for races until the examinations bring more clarity to the picture.
General Team Manager John Lelangue: „Botero and Gutierrez are neither dismissed nor suspended. In the interests of the team and to ensure calm for all team members for the coming races, we have decided to take this step.” The Team Management takes the published reports seriously, although the truth of the matter cannot be verified at the present time. „If further investigations show that the riders have used methods that are not permitted, they will of course be dismissed immediately“, was Lelangue’s clear message.
http://www.phonak-cycling.ch/index.php?id=5&L=1&uid=209
They can't: the contracts with I-shares (new sponsor, Phonak will stop at the end of the year) are not signed yet (but will in the coming days). But maybe it's more, maybe they learned from the last doping allegations against Phonak riders. I hope so. I knew John Lelangue was going to speak with them (Gutierrez and Botero) and would take action, i was surprised that Phonak handled so fast. The conversation between Lelangue and the riders was yesterday.limerickman said:I am heartened to see that Phonak didn't just issue the usual "we deny all charges......." statement.
cyclingheroes said:They can't: the contracts with I-shares (new sponsor, Phonak will stop at the end of the year) are not signed yet (but will in the coming days). But maybe it's more, maybe they learned from the last doping allegations against Phonak riders. I hope so. I knew John Lelangue was going to speak with them (Gutierrez and Botero) and would take action, i was surprised that Phonak handled so fast. The conversation between Lelangue and the riders was yesterday.
cyclingheroes said:They can't: the contracts with I-shares (new sponsor, Phonak will stop at the end of the year) are not signed yet (but will in the coming days). But maybe it's more, maybe they learned from the last doping allegations against Phonak riders. I hope so. I knew John Lelangue was going to speak with them (Gutierrez and Botero) and would take action, i was surprised that Phonak handled so fast. The conversation between Lelangue and the riders was yesterday.
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