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  1. In article <[email hidden]>, Dog3

    uhoh@ajfl;ajklsd;ajlds.nutz said:

    [email hidden] (Dan Abel) wrote in news:dabel-1702051239470001@ssu-
    64en129.sonoma.edu:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    bar. The bartender asked if I wanted it "dirty". I asked her what that
    meant, but didn't understand her mumbled answer. So what is it?

    Olive juice in the drink. Makes it tasty and salty.

    Oh. I've actually done that at home. Just a little though, as I don't
    like things very salty. My uncle made me a martini once. He added so
    much salt that I could barely get it down. Ugh.

    --
    Dan Abel
    Sonoma State University
    AIS
    [email hidden]

  2. "notbob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Though I've been aware of the drink for decades, I, a fanatical gin
    martini envangelist, have never tried a gimlet. So, in the interest
    of scientific advancement and equal alcohol opportunity awareness, I
    decided to sacrifice my body to the cause.

    .....pash duh peenuts, baybee...... ;P

    OK so how much vermouth do you really use?

    Dimitri

  3. Wayne replied:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    The client insisted that the only proper formula for a gin gimlet
    is equal parts gin and Rose's lime. I'd not had one before, so I
    thouogh, what the heck, I'd give it a try. Not bad, if you like sour
    things - a good bit of pucker power.

    IIRC, the instructions on the bottle of Rose's Lime Juice suggest 4:1 or
    5:1 rations for gin/vodka to lime juice. I could be wrong.

    Well, what would you EXPECT a recipe on a bottle of lime juice to say? If I
    were putting the recipe on the label of a gin bottle, I'd say that the
    proportions should be 5 parts gin to 1 part lime juice.

    Bob

  4. Dan said:

    I don't go to bars, but I was five hours early for my plane at the DFW
    airport, and didn't know what else to do, so I ordered a martini at the
    bar. The bartender asked if I wanted it "dirty". I asked her what that
    meant, but didn't understand her mumbled answer. So what is it?

    Some juice from the bottle of olives is added, and the olives are shaken
    along with the liquor. (The drink is shaken HARD.) The olives will break up
    a bit, and there will also be little flecks of olive in the olive juice, so
    the drink won't be crystal-clear.

    Bob

  5. On Thu 17 Feb 2005 05:00:27p, Bob wrote in rec.food.cooking:

    Quoted message said:

    Wayne replied:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    The client insisted that the only proper formula for a gin gimlet
    is equal parts gin and Rose's lime. I'd not had one before, so I
    thouogh, what the heck, I'd give it a try. Not bad, if you like sour
    things - a good bit of pucker power.

    IIRC, the instructions on the bottle of Rose's Lime Juice suggest 4:1
    or 5:1 rations for gin/vodka to lime juice. I could be wrong.

    Well, what would you EXPECT a recipe on a bottle of lime juice to say?
    If I were putting the recipe on the label of a gin bottle, I'd say that
    the proportions should be 5 parts gin to 1 part lime juice.

    Bob

    And that's precisely what Rose's put on their bottle.

    Did you read what I wrote? Rose's is a recommding a much smaller
    proportion of their product to the liquor than the previous poster's 1:1
    ration.

    Realistically, for a manufacturer of an ingredient used in lesser
    proportion, I wouldn't be surprised by a recommendtion of a higher
    proportion of their product as, apparently, you think I stated.

    I can't imagine drinking a Gimlet made with a 1:1 ration. GAG It would be
    incredibly sweeter and probably more [censored] than I could drink.

    Cheers,
    Wayne

  6. Dimitri said:

    OK so how much vermouth do you really use?

    Depends on the gin. If I'm feeling really juniperish, I'll go with
    Boodles and mix 3:1. If I'm out of Boodles and have some Sapphire on
    hand, I'll go the ol' *dry martini route.

    Q. How do you make a dry (a), extra dry(b), extra extra dry(c), or super extra
    dry(d) martini?

    a) 5:1

    b) Swirl vermouth around in glass and dump out. Add 3 shots gin.

    c) Take a swig of vermouth and whisper "vermouth" over 3 shots of gin.

    d) Pour 3 shots of gin in a glass and drink while staring at bottle of
    vermouth across room.

    cheers...
    nb

    nb

  7. notbob said:


    Anyway, a gimlet is basically a cocktail of 4 parts gin or vodka
    and 1 part Rose's lime juice and a lime wedge.

    I tried gimlets in bar settings when I was a young pup, but
    they were practically alcohol free, like gin/tonic... in
    fact, the G&Ts were more potent.

    sf

  8. Katra said:


    I think I'd prefer vodka to gin any day....... ;-D

    Gin has it's place. One of them is in recipes that call for
    juniper berries (which of us don't have).

    sf

  9. Dog3 wrote:<snip>
    The vodka

    Quoted message said:

    (non) martini is my fave.

    "Vodka" and "martini" should not be spoken in the same sentence. Or
    house, for that matter...

    -L.

  10. Damsel in dis Dress said:
    Pierre' said:

    Try any gin beverage with "Plymouth" gin. Lower in alcohol,


    resulting

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    in less bitterness, but a lovely smooth juniper berry flavor. Not


    too

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    pricey either.

    Thanks! I like gin and sour (or in my case, Fresca), but I don't


    like

    Quoted message said:

    boozy tasting drinks.

    Gin and ruby red grapefruit juice is awesome.

    -L.

  11. Dan Abel said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, Dog3

    uhoh@ajfl;ajklsd;ajlds.nutz said:

    [email hidden] (Dan Abel) wrote in


    news:dabel-1702051239470001@ssu-

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    64en129.sonoma.edu:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    bar. The bartender asked if I wanted it "dirty". I asked her


    what that

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    meant, but didn't understand her mumbled answer. So what is it?

    Olive juice in the drink. Makes it tasty and salty.

    Oh. I've actually done that at home. Just a little though, as I


    don't

    Quoted message said:

    like things very salty.

    I just pour the chilled gin over the olives into the glass. just a
    taste of salt escapes.

    -L.

  12. On Fri 18 Feb 2005 02:20:14a, -L. wrote in rec.food.cooking:

    Quoted message said:


    Dog3 wrote:<snip>
    The vodka

    Quoted message said:

    (non) martini is my fave.

    "Vodka" and "martini" should not be spoken in the same sentence. Or
    house, for that matter...

    -L.

    AMEN

    Wayne

  13. notbob said:
    Quoted message said:

    OK so how much vermouth do you really use?

    Depends on the gin. If I'm feeling really juniperish, I'll go with
    Boodles and mix 3:1. If I'm out of Boodles and have some Sapphire on
    hand, I'll go the ol' *dry martini route.

    Q. How do you make a dry (a), extra dry(b), extra extra dry(c), or super extra
    dry(d) martini?

    a) 5:1

    b) Swirl vermouth around in glass and dump out. Add 3 shots gin.

    c) Take a swig of vermouth and whisper "vermouth" over 3 shots of gin.

    d) Pour 3 shots of gin in a glass and drink while staring at bottle of
    vermouth across room.

    cheers...
    nb


    A perfect martini is 10-1
    But letter d above is quit nice also.

    Quoted message said:

    nb

    Pan Ohco

  14. In article <[email hidden]>, Wayne Boatwright

    Quoted message said:

    I can't imagine drinking a Gimlet made with a 1:1 ration. GAG It would be
    incredibly sweeter and probably more [censored] than I could drink.

    Limes are pretty [censored]. I just sit there in disbelief and watch my
    daughter eat one plain. When she makes tacos, she extracts the juice from
    half a lime for each taco.

    --
    Dan Abel
    Sonoma State University
    AIS
    [email hidden]

  15. Damsel in dis Dress said:
    Pierre' said:

    Try any gin beverage with "Plymouth" gin. Lower in alcohol,


    resulting

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    in less bitterness, but a lovely smooth juniper berry flavor. Not


    too

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    pricey either.

    Thanks! I like gin and sour (or in my case, Fresca), but I don't


    like

    Quoted message said:

    boozy tasting drinks. I don't want a lot of gin in my Fresca. I'll


    look

    Quoted message said:

    for Plymouth in ten years, when I empty my current small bottle. <G>

    For those open bars at weddings or reunions, I go for the Tom Collins.
    They usually don't screw it up too bad and it's a decent tanginess with
    the gin.

    Brian

  16. On Fri 18 Feb 2005 08:20:25p, Edwin Pawlowski wrote in rec.food.cooking:

    Quoted message said:


    "Dog3" <uhoh@ajfl;ajklsd;ajlds.nutz> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Gawd! another purist. Martini is just a *name* for a drink. Anyway, I'm
    not being hauled into another martini war 😉 It is all good regardless
    of the name.

    Michael

    Then you find it acceptable to call it a milkshake? After all, it is
    just a name.

    The martini was a specific drink, just like thousands of others. Make a
    variation, give it a new name.

    I like your thinking! Too bad nobody listens.

    Wayne

  17. "-L." <[email hidden]> wrote in news:1108718490.709167.197730
    @o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com:

    Quoted message said:


    Gin and ruby red grapefruit juice is awesome.

    Ooo, sounds good 🙂 I have these ingredients atm; shall have to try. What
    proportions do you use, or is that a personal-taste type dealy?

    Thanks,

    K
    --
    nil illegitimi carborundum

  18. Amarantha said:

    "-L." <[email hidden]> wrote in news:1108718490.709167.197730
    @o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Gin and ruby red grapefruit juice is awesome.

    Quoted message said:

    Ooo, sounds good 🙂 I have these ingredients atm; shall have to try..

    Salt the rim, al a margarita, and you have a Salty Dog.

    nb

  19. notbob <[email hidden]> wrote in news:aLGdnaL3dsGDo4TfRVn-
    [email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:


    Salt the rim, al a margarita, and you have a Salty Dog.

    Ah, yes, I've had a salty dog 🙂 But for some reason I thought those were
    made with vodka. Either way sounds good - I'll have vodka soon as well 😉

    K
    --
    nil illegitimi carborundum

  20. Amarantha said:

    Ah, yes, I've had a salty dog 🙂 But for some reason I thought those were
    made with vodka....

    This is because the x/y/z/whatever generation is too wimpy to drink
    gin and too lazy too create new names for gin origin/vodka clone
    drinks.

    nb

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