Masters Natz - RESULTS?



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Andrew Martin

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Well - now that the tour is over it's time to change focus to the week of the fatties. Early reports
say that my teammates picked up a couple jerseys in the TT Events. RBR's own (and my teammate) Suz
Weldon destroyed the womens field (not sure of her age group) for her gold. In the mixed Tandem 90+
(I think) is was Rick Lilleberg and Leslie Mittendorf taking home the gold.

I also heard that local legend Glenn Bunselmeyer won the TT and tandem TT (probably with Larry
Shannon). Not much surprise there.

-a (not yet 30)
 
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Andy Coggan

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"Andrew Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Well - now that the tour is over it's time to change focus to the week of the fatties. Early
> reports say that my teammates picked up a couple jerseys in the TT Events. RBR's own (and my
> teammate) Suz Weldon destroyed the womens field (not sure of her age group) for her gold. In the
> mixed Tandem 90+ (I think) is was Rick Lilleberg and Leslie Mittendorf taking home the gold.
>
> I also heard that local legend Glenn Bunselmeyer won the TT and tandem TT (probably with Larry
> Shannon). Not much surprise there.

Thurlow "Turbo" Rogers waxed all of us with a 50:4X to win the 40-44 age group. As you said,
Bunselmeyer won the 45-49 age division, and (surprise, surprise) Kent Bostick won the 50-54 with a
mid-52 clocking.

Me, I hit a small stone and flatted with ~5 miles to go. :-(

Andy Coggan
 
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Mark Fennell

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[email protected] (Andrew Martin) wrote in message
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> Well - now that the tour is over it's time to change focus to the week of the fatties.

9 August 2003

Louisville, KY (AP) – In what many observers called the most competitive Masters race in recent
memory, Henry Chang of San Diego, CA won today's 2003 National Road Race Championship in the 40-44
division. After 80 grueling kilometers, the race came down to a break of three, with Chang
outsprinting companions Chris Walker and Chris Hahn, both of Santa Barbara CA. Completing a
California sweep of the top-5 places were former professional racer Thurlow Rogers and Richard
Meeker of the USPS Masters team.

The action began immediately with time-trial specialists Andrew Coggan and Eric Sternlict
attacking on the first lap of the ten-lap race. Within 10 km they had established a 50 second gap
as none of the pre-race favorites were willing to chase. Former 7-11 professional Michael Carter
stated "I raced the Tour de France. I'll be damned if I was going to pull a bunch of nobodies up
to the break."

For the next two laps, individual riders made sporadic efforts to bridge but none could get more
than half way across to the smooth riding duo of Coggan and Sternlict. That is, until Chris Walker
hit the front and pulled at 50 kmh for five minutes. Only four riders could hold Walker's
wheel--Hahn, Rogers, Meeker, and Chang--and a 30 second gap was quickly established over the
shattering field.

The group of five quickly caught and dropped the tiring early break. By the fifth lap they had
nearly four minutes on the field and it was clear the winner would be one of the five.

Then with 20 km to go, Chang abruptly stopped pulling. Numerous attempts to cajole him back into
the rotation failed. As Hahn said afterward, "I yelled at him to pull through but he just looked
back at me kind of sideways and said, 'Dumbass, I'm a sprinter. Shut up and pull'. I guess he said
it so authoritatively that we just continued to pull him along even though I realize now it made
no sense!"

As they rode through the start-finish area to begin the bell lap, it became evident that Chang's
negativity had permeated the rest of the break. Meeker had stopped pulling and Rogers had repeatedly
taken him off the back during the prior lap. Walker, ever the sharp tactician, saw an opportunity to
shed two of his main rivals. He attacked mercilessly on a small rise as Rogers and Meeker dangled
five seconds behind. Walker's pace was so high that his ever-present, hanging string-of-snot whipped
around and slapped Chang in the face. It was now a race of three.

As the trio entered the final kilometer, Walker ramped up the pace hoping to crack the two
sprinters, or, at least, to remove some of their snap. It didn't work. Hahn jumped at 300 meters
and quickly passed Walker. Hahn recounted the sprint later, "I wound it up quickly to 65 kph. I
looked under my arm at about 150 meters and saw Walker hanging tough on my wheel but I couldn't see
Chang at all. I thought he must have blown big time. I knew Walker couldn't come back around as
fast as I was going so I thought I had the vee. Then, out of nowhere seemingly, Chang was beside
me. He was actually grinning at me all the way to the line." Video replay confirmed it, Chang had
won by a tire width.

Immediately after the finish, all 18 fans in attendance mobbed the ebullient winner. Chang gushed to
nobody in particular, "I feel vindicated by this great victory. I've been preaching to the masses
about the virtues of low body mass for bike racing, especially for anyone wanting to race at this
high level. Once I got my BMI below that of Chris Walker, I knew I would be competitive. Plus, I
used to race as a cat 2 in Southern California crits, so I knew I could sprint with any of these
guys. I'm very pleased. Dumbasses, all of them."

Results:
1. Henry Chang, RBR 1:50:19
2. Chris Hahn, Labor Power s.t.
3. Chris Walker, VeloRPM :01
4. Richard Meeker, USPS 1:23
5. Thurlow Rogers, JAX s.t.
 
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Kurgan Gringion

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"Andy Coggan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Andrew Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Well - now that the tour is over it's time to change focus to the week of the fatties. Early
> > reports say that my teammates picked up a couple jerseys in the TT Events. RBR's own (and my
> > teammate) Suz Weldon destroyed the womens field (not sure of her age group) for her gold. In the
> > mixed Tandem 90+ (I think) is was Rick Lilleberg and Leslie Mittendorf taking home the gold.
> >
> > I also heard that local legend Glenn Bunselmeyer won the TT and tandem TT (probably with Larry
> > Shannon). Not much surprise there.
>
> Thurlow "Turbo" Rogers waxed all of us with a 50:4X to win the 40-44 age group. As you said,
> Bunselmeyer won the 45-49 age division, and (surprise, surprise) Kent Bostick won the 50-54 with a
> mid-52 clocking.
>
> Me, I hit a small stone and flatted with ~5 miles to go. :-(


That's the Sure Indicator of the Masters Fattie, making excuses.

K. Gringioni

ps. I lost the Speedo bet because of a flat. I was going good too.
 
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Kurgan Gringion

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"Mark Fennell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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<nice race report snipped>

> Results:
> 1. Henry Chang, RBR 1:50:19
> 2. Chris Hahn, Labor Power s.t.
> 3. Chris Walker, VeloRPM :01
> 4. Richard Meeker, USPS 1:23
> 5. Thurlow Rogers, JAX s.t.


I hope all you Dumbasses appreciate that I wore my rec.bicycles.racing jersey.

Many thanks to Jeff Jones for finally coming through with the Pot Belge. It was instrumental in
getting the BMI down for this event.

K. Gringioni rbr Masters National Champion
 
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Precious Pup

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Most excellent indeed.

Mark Fennell wrote:
>
> [email protected] (Andrew Martin) wrote in message
> news:<[email protected]>...
> > Well - now that the tour is over it's time to change focus to the week of the fatties.
>
> 9 August 2003
>
> Louisville, KY (AP) – In what many observers called the most competitive Masters race in recent
> memory, Henry Chang of San Diego, CA won today's 2003 National Road Race Championship in the 40-44
> division. After 80 grueling kilometers, the race came down to a break of three, with Chang
> outsprinting companions Chris Walker and Chris Hahn, both of Santa Barbara CA. Completing a
> California sweep of the top-5 places were former professional racer Thurlow Rogers and Richard
> Meeker of the USPS Masters team.
>
> The action began immediately with time-trial specialists Andrew Coggan and Eric Sternlict
> attacking on the first lap of the ten-lap race. Within 10 km they had established a 50 second gap
> as none of the pre-race favorites were willing to chase. Former 7-11 professional Michael Carter
> stated "I raced the Tour de France. I'll be damned if I was going to pull a bunch of nobodies up
> to the break."
>
> For the next two laps, individual riders made sporadic efforts to bridge but none could get more
> than half way across to the smooth riding duo of Coggan and Sternlict. That is, until Chris Walker
> hit the front and pulled at 50 kmh for five minutes. Only four riders could hold Walker's
> wheel--Hahn, Rogers, Meeker, and Chang--and a 30 second gap was quickly established over the
> shattering field.
>
> The group of five quickly caught and dropped the tiring early break. By the fifth lap they had
> nearly four minutes on the field and it was clear the winner would be one of the five.
>
> Then with 20 km to go, Chang abruptly stopped pulling. Numerous attempts to cajole him back into
> the rotation failed. As Hahn said afterward, "I yelled at him to pull through but he just looked
> back at me kind of sideways and said, 'Dumbass, I'm a sprinter. Shut up and pull'. I guess he said
> it so authoritatively that we just continued to pull him along even though I realize now it made
> no sense!"
>
> As they rode through the start-finish area to begin the bell lap, it became evident that Chang's
> negativity had permeated the rest of the break. Meeker had stopped pulling and Rogers had
> repeatedly taken him off the back during the prior lap. Walker, ever the sharp tactician, saw an
> opportunity to shed two of his main rivals. He attacked mercilessly on a small rise as Rogers and
> Meeker dangled five seconds behind. Walker's pace was so high that his ever-present, hanging
> string-of-snot whipped around and slapped Chang in the face. It was now a race of three.
>
> As the trio entered the final kilometer, Walker ramped up the pace hoping to crack the two
> sprinters, or, at least, to remove some of their snap. It didn't work. Hahn jumped at 300 meters
> and quickly passed Walker. Hahn recounted the sprint later, "I wound it up quickly to 65 kph. I
> looked under my arm at about 150 meters and saw Walker hanging tough on my wheel but I couldn't
> see Chang at all. I thought he must have blown big time. I knew Walker couldn't come back around
> as fast as I was going so I thought I had the vee. Then, out of nowhere seemingly, Chang was
> beside me. He was actually grinning at me all the way to the line." Video replay confirmed it,
> Chang had won by a tire width.
>
> Immediately after the finish, all 18 fans in attendance mobbed the ebullient winner. Chang gushed
> to nobody in particular, "I feel vindicated by this great victory. I've been preaching to the
> masses about the virtues of low body mass for bike racing, especially for anyone wanting to race
> at this high level. Once I got my BMI below that of Chris Walker, I knew I would be competitive.
> Plus, I used to race as a cat 2 in Southern California crits, so I knew I could sprint with any of
> these guys. I'm very pleased. Dumbasses, all of them."
>
> Results:
> 1. Henry Chang, RBR 1:50:19
> 2. Chris Hahn, Labor Power s.t.
> 3. Chris Walker, VeloRPM :01
> 4. Richard Meeker, USPS 1:23
> 5. Thurlow Rogers, JAX s.t.
 
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Ewoud Dronkert

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On 4 Aug 2003 18:49:38 -0700, Mark Fennell wrote: the POTM.
 

DiabloScott

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Originally posted by Kurgan Gringion

Many thanks to Jeff Jones for finally coming through with the Pot Belge. It was instrumental in
getting the BMI down for this event.

K. Gringioni rbr Masters National Champion [/B]

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(recipe can be doubled)

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mixe en syringe avec 10ml saline
injectez encouler

ENJOY!
 
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K. J. Papai

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[email protected] (Mark Fennell) wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
> [email protected] (Andrew Martin) wrote in message
> news:<[email protected]>...
> > Well - now that the tour is over it's time to change focus to the week of the fatties.
>
> 9 August 2003
>
> Louisville, KY (AP) ? In what many observers called the most competitive Masters race in recent
> memory, Henry Chang of San Diego, CA won...
>
> As the trio entered the final kilometer, Walker ramped up the pace hoping to crack the two
> sprinters, or, at least, to remove some of their snap. It didn't work. Hahn jumped at 300 meters
> and quickly passed Walker. Hahn recounted the sprint later, "I wound it up quickly to 65 kph. I
> looked under my arm at about 150 meters and saw Walker hanging tough on my wheel but I couldn't
> see Chang at all. I thought he must have blown big time. I knew Walker couldn't come back around
> as fast as I was going so I thought I had the vee. Then, out of nowhere seemingly, Chang was
> beside me. He was actually grinning at me all the way to the line." Video replay confirmed it,
> Chang had won by a tire width.

Brilliant. If only Coggan could write posts as interesting as this!

Chang is now skinnier than Chris Walker?? Wow.

> Immediately after the finish, all 18 fans in attendance mobbed the ebullient winner. Chang gushed
> to nobody in particular, "I feel vindicated by this great victory. I've been preaching to the
> masses about the virtues of low body mass for bike racing, especially for anyone wanting to race
> at this high level. Once I got my BMI below that of Chris Walker, I knew I would be competitive.
> Plus, I used to race as a cat 2 in Southern California crits, so I knew I could sprint with any of
> these guys. I'm very pleased. Dumbasses, all of them."
>
> Results:
> 1. Henry Chang, RBR 1:50:19
> 2. Chris Hahn, Labor Power s.t.
> 3. Chris Walker, VeloRPM :01
> 4. Richard Meeker, USPS 1:23
> 5. Thurlow Rogers, JAX s.t.

Congrats again Henri.

-Ken
 
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Deeznuts

Guest
"Andy Coggan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
> "Andrew Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Well - now that the tour is over it's time to change focus to the week of the fatties. Early
> > reports say that my teammates picked up a couple jerseys in the TT Events. RBR's own (and my
> > teammate) Suz Weldon destroyed the womens field (not sure of her age group) for her gold. In the
> > mixed Tandem 90+ (I think) is was Rick Lilleberg and Leslie Mittendorf taking home the gold.
> >
> > I also heard that local legend Glenn Bunselmeyer won the TT and tandem TT (probably with Larry
> > Shannon). Not much surprise there.
>
> Thurlow "Turbo" Rogers waxed all of us with a 50:4X to win the 40-44 age group. As you said,
> Bunselmeyer won the 45-49 age division, and (surprise, surprise) Kent Bostick won the 50-54 with a
> mid-52 clocking.
>
> Me, I hit a small stone and flatted with ~5 miles to go. :-(
>
> Andy Coggan

was your brake rubbing?
 
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Bikerecker

Guest
Louisville hosted a pretty good nats, from what I heard, although at least one VERY strong 50+ rider
got laid out by a MTB rider while checking out the ultra-technical park RR venue. Poor David Leduc,
who almost undoubtedly would have cleaned clock in the RR like he did in the crit, got knocked down
by an errant knobby head, ending up in the hospital with broken ribs and other internal stuff. His
Mercy Teammate, Randy Parker, didn't live up to his team's name, laying waste in the 45+ RR, neatly
following up on last year's 40+ crit demolition. For these old but fast guys (both of whom are far
leaner than H Chang will ever be): There's always next year, when Louisvile will host em again.

Thurlow ****** off at least one rider: Dave Grice, of Asheville, who had the SECOND fastest TT of
the Nats. But, he was also in the 40+ group, and was thus denied a Gold. Next up for Grice (who
trains more hours than many Pros despite his job as a VP of investments for a large Firm and his
burgeoning family): Master's World's. Maybe the Pros will stay away from that one.

As for myself, rather than drive the 3 hours to Louisville for the 35+ shenanigans, I was on a
hardcore weight loss regimen in the North Cascades, on the Ptarmigan Traverse. Amazing how carrying
all of your food for six days' backcountry fun and sun whilst climbing assorted sizes and shapes of
rock and ice will shell off the LB's. Only fell in one crevasse the whole time. Lucky for me, my
large bike racing hiney kept me from going all the way in...

Greg
 
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Kurgan Gringion

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"Bikerecker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> For these old but fast guys (both of whom are far leaner than H Chang will
ever
> be):

Dumbass -

The Masters racers who are good aren't Fat.

On average though, they are 15-20 lbs. fatter than the average Senior 1/2 rider.

An endurance sport community like bike racing accepts the 1 lb./year rule just like the general
population accepts it. Sad, because after 30 or 40 years of that, people pay, with their health.
 
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Warren

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In article <[email protected]>, Kurgan Gringioni
<[email protected]> wrote:

> "Bikerecker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > For these old but fast guys (both of whom are far leaner than H Chang will
> ever
> > be):
>
>
>
> Dumbass -
>
> The Masters racers who are good aren't Fat.
>
> On average though, they are 15-20 lbs. fatter than the average Senior 1/2 rider.

That sounds like apples and oranges. The "average" master (cat 1,2,3,4,5) isn't as fit as the
average Sr 1/2 but the masters who are good aren't fat.

Line up groups of Sr 1's, 2's, 3's, 4's, 5's. Line up groups of 35+1's, 2's, 3's, 4's, 5's.

What is the fat% difference between the two groups of 1's? What is the fat% difference between the
two groups of 2's? What is the fat% difference between the two groups of 3's? What is the fat%
difference between the two groups of 4's? What is the fat% difference between the two groups of 5's?

According to you the masters in these groupings should be 1lb/year fatter than their senior
counterpart. True? In which groups?

-WG
 
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Kurgan Gringion

Guest
"warren" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:140820030902457252%[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>, Kurgan Gringioni
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > "Bikerecker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > For these old but fast guys (both of whom are far leaner than H Chang
will
> > ever
> > > be):
> >
> >
> >
> > Dumbass -
> >
> > The Masters racers who are good aren't Fat.
> >
> > On average though, they are 15-20 lbs. fatter than the average Senior
1/2
> > rider.
>
> That sounds like apples and oranges. The "average" master (cat 1,2,3,4,5) isn't as fit as the
> average Sr 1/2 but the masters who are good aren't fat.

Dumbass -

Most of the masters aren't good.
 
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Gwhite

Guest
Bikerecker wrote:
>
> Louisville hosted a pretty good nats, from what I heard, although at least one VERY strong 50+
> rider got laid out by a MTB rider while checking out the ultra-technical park RR venue. Poor David
> Leduc, who almost undoubtedly would have cleaned clock in the RR like he did in the crit, got
> knocked down by an errant knobby head, ending up in the hospital with broken ribs and other
> internal stuff.

Crashing is no excuse for sucking. At least, I think that's what a burnout would say.
 
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Warren

Guest
In article <[email protected]>, Kurgan Gringioni
<[email protected]> wrote:

> "warren" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:140820030902457252%[email protected]...
> > In article <[email protected]>, Kurgan Gringioni
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > "Bikerecker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > For these old but fast guys (both of whom are far leaner than H Chang
> will
> > > ever
> > > > be):
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Dumbass -
> > >
> > > The Masters racers who are good aren't Fat.
> > >
> > > On average though, they are 15-20 lbs. fatter than the average Senior
> 1/2
> > > rider.
> >
> > That sounds like apples and oranges. The "average" master (cat 1,2,3,4,5) isn't as fit as the
> > average Sr 1/2 but the masters who are good aren't fat.
>
>
>
> Dumbass -
>
> Most of the masters aren't good.

You didn't answer my question. Why do you evade my question?

-WG
 
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Gwhite

Guest
warren wrote:
>
> In article <[email protected]>, Dumbass
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > "warren" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:140820030902457252%[email protected]...
> > > In article <[email protected]>, Dumbass
> > > <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > "Bikerecker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > For these old but fast guys (both of whom are far leaner than Dumbass will ever be):
> > > >
> > > > The Masters racers who are good aren't Fat.
> > > >
> > > > On average though, they are 15-20 lbs. fatter than the average Senior 1/2 rider.
> > > >
> > >
> > > That sounds like apples and oranges. The "average" master (cat 1,2,3,4,5) isn't as fit as the
> > > average Sr 1/2 but the masters who are good aren't fat.
> >
> > Most of the masters aren't good.
>
> You didn't answer my question. Why do you evade my question?

Because he has no answers that go beyond the thinnest surface. He just harps and opens his mouth on
a billion subjects. This is the age of the specialist, and Dumbass thinks being a
jackoff-of-all-trades is good enough.
 
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Kurgan Gringion

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"warren" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:140820031536116035%[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>, Kurgan Gringioni
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > "warren" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:140820030902457252%[email protected]...
> > > In article <[email protected]>, Kurgan Gringioni
> > > <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > "Bikerecker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > For these old but fast guys (both of whom are far leaner than H
Chang
> > will
> > > > ever
> > > > > be):
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dumbass -
> > > >
> > > > The Masters racers who are good aren't Fat.
> > > >
> > > > On average though, they are 15-20 lbs. fatter than the average
Senior
> > 1/2
> > > > rider.
> > >
> > > That sounds like apples and oranges. The "average" master (cat 1,2,3,4,5) isn't as fit as the
> > > average Sr 1/2 but the masters who are good aren't fat.
> >
> >
> >
> > Dumbass -
> >
> > Most of the masters aren't good.
>
> You didn't answer my question. Why do you evade my question?

Dumbass -

I don't have data for that question and no one else does either. Who's done a study of
Masters Fatties?

My 15-20 lb. estimate is by eyeballing. I used to do 90% 1/2 races and when I entered the odd
Masters RR, it was pleasing to see all the fat asses in the pack. The difference becomes even more
evident as soon as the race started heading uphill.
 
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Warren

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In article <[email protected]>, Kurgan Gringioni
<[email protected]> wrote:

> "warren" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:140820031536116035%[email protected]...
> > In article <[email protected]>, Kurgan Gringioni
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > "warren" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:140820030902457252%[email protected]...
> > > > In article <[email protected]>, Kurgan Gringioni
> > > > <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > "Bikerecker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > > For these old but fast guys (both of whom are far leaner than H
> Chang
> > > will
> > > > > ever
> > > > > > be):
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Dumbass -
> > > > >
> > > > > The Masters racers who are good aren't Fat.
> > > > >
> > > > > On average though, they are 15-20 lbs. fatter than the average
> Senior
> > > 1/2
> > > > > rider.
> > > >
> > > > That sounds like apples and oranges. The "average" master (cat 1,2,3,4,5) isn't as fit as
> > > > the average Sr 1/2 but the masters who are good aren't fat.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Dumbass -
> > >
> > > Most of the masters aren't good.
> >
> > You didn't answer my question. Why do you evade my question?
>
>
>
> Dumbass -
>
> I don't have data for that question and no one else does either. Who's done a study of Masters
> Fatties?

So you don't have data to support your opinion but you still obsess about it?

You can't even tell us in specific terms how or why you derive your evaluations about fat masters
and whether or not the 1/lb/year rule applies like you say it does. This is why I gave you the
opportunity to separate out the age variable.

> My 15-20 lb. estimate is by eyeballing. I used to do 90% 1/2 races and when I entered the odd
> Masters RR, it was pleasing to see all the fat asses in the pack.

But you were looking at plenty of Cat 3's-maybe they were the fat ones since you've said good
masters (1,2's) are not fat. You keep saying they're fat because they're old, but the good ones are
an exception to that, but you can't account for the fact that Cat 3,4,5 riders tend to be fatter no
matter what their age.

So, on average, how much fatter is a 40 year-old Cat 3 than a 25 year-old Sr 3? About 15 pounds,
right? Same for Cat 4's? Cat 5's?

-WG
 
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Kurgan Gringion

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"warren" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:140820031704434858%[email protected]...
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> But you were looking at plenty of Cat 3's-maybe they were the fat ones since you've said good
> masters (1,2's) are not fat. You keep saying they're fat because they're old, but the good ones
> are an exception to that, but you can't account for the fact that Cat 3,4,5 riders tend to be
> fatter no matter what their age.

Dumbass -

Most of the riders in masters races aren't 1/2.
 
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