Maureen Dowd: American National Treasure

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    Well, the thread is now officially rescued.
    Is this something to do with a political opinion or affiliation to a Party.
    I know Mike Mentzer was into a philosopher by the name of Ann Rynd but I don't know much about her either:
    "Published in 1957, Atlas Shrugged was her greatest achievement and last work of fiction. In this novel she dramatized her unique philosophy in an
    intellectual mystery story that integrated ethics, metaphysics,
    epistemology, politics, economics and sex. Although she considered herself
    primarily a fiction writer, she realized that in order to create heroic
    fictional characters, she had to identify the philosophic principles which
    make such individuals possible. She needed to formulate "a philosophy for
    living on earth."


     
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    You, sir, are a gentleman & a scholar. I salute you. :)
     
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    I know this will make your day. Bush is here today in the Smokies to give a speech shortly.(Outside)
    We are about to have an ass buster of a storm hail,60mph winds,lightning,maybe locust.
    It is starting right now(hard rain and thunder) so I am going to get off the computer.
    Just thought that might brighten your day. I know how much your admire Bush.
     
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    On behalf of David and others, I thank you. That is pleasant news indeed. I hope the footage is good.
     
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    The worst of the storm is over now,still raining, but anyway occasionally I fell the need to throw you guys a bone from the moderate conservative side of the fence.
     
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    Appreciated, bro.
     
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    Thats funny. Reminded me of when Gore was in Boston to talk about global warming and it was below zero outside. Ain't politics fun?
     
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    God shows her general disdain for American polticians from time to time.
     
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    Our pride and joy from Tennessee. Damn. that's sad!
     
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    I'm not surprised there's a storm brewing if Bush is going to speak. In ancient times they'd already be consulting the auspices to see how they could appease the gods.
    Let's hope he doesn't make a repeat of that famous quotation:
    "Fellow Americans. The enemies of America are prepared to go to any length to further their cause, and so are we. The enemies of America never cease, night and day, to dream up ways whereby they can hurt America. And so do we."


     
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    Aside from the blunder at the end, it's a quote out of the oldest handbook on the planet. "Fellow Romans. The enemies of Rome never cease..." Can't blame him for deference to the classics, I suppose.
     
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    Thank you for remembering my rantings/leanings. Somebody's listening :eek:
     
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    Sounds like Blah...Blah...Blah...Just kidding!
     
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    If nothing else I try to pay attention but turns out he didn't go to Cades Cove in the mountains due to the severe weather and moved on to Texas,
    Which might dispell some's notions that he doesn't have enough sense to get out of the rain.
     
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    Or maybe he went on to Texas so that he could have an
    early weekend break ?
    Crawford and all that.

    I expect you've had the security people all over your area.

    That is one thing that always impresses me when the US President comes here, is the level of his entourage.
    President Clinton visited here three times in the 1990's and the level of security was something else.

    GWB came here for 12 hours last year.
    The bill ?
    €18 million for a 12 hour visit.
     
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    A bunch of the security stayed at Holiday Inn Gatlinburg rather than in Townsend which is closer.
    Of course Townsend hotels don't have a bar. Hummmh.
     
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    Uncle Dick and Papa
    By MAUREEN DOWD

    t was a move so smooth and bold, accomplished with such backstage bureaucratic finesse, that it was worthy of Dick Cheney himself.

    The éminence grise who had long whispered in the ear of power and who had helped oversee the selection process ended up selecting himself. In Cheneyesque fashion, he searched far and wide for a pope by looking around the room and swiftly deciding he was the best man for the job.

    Just like Mr. Cheney, once the quintessentially deferential staff man with the Secret Service code name "Back Seat," the self-effacing Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger has clambered over the back seat to seize the wheel (or Commonweal). Mr. Cheney played the tough cop to W.'s boyish, genial pol, just as Cardinal Ratzinger played the tough cop to John Paul's gentle soul.

    And just like the vice president, the new pope is a Jurassic archconservative who disdains the "if it feels good do it" culture and the revolutionary trends toward diversity and cultural openness since the 60's.

    The two leaders are a match - absolutists who view the world in stark terms of good and evil, eager to prolong a patriarchal society that prohibits gay marriage and slices up pro-choice U.S. Democratic candidates.

    The two, from rural, conservative parts of their countries, want to turn back the clock and exorcise New Age silliness. Mr. Cheney wants to dismantle the New Deal and go back to 1937. Pope Benedict XVI wants to dismantle Vatican II and go back to 1397. As a scholar, his specialty was "patristics," the study of the key thinkers in the first eight centuries of the church.

    They are both old hands at operating in secrecy and using the levers of power for ideological advantage. They want to enlist Catholics in the conservative cause, turning confession boxes into ballot boxes with the threat that a vote for a liberal Democrat could lead to eternal damnation.

    Unlike Ronald Reagan and John Paul II, the vice president and the new pope do not have large-scale charisma or sunny faces to soften their harsh "my way or the highway" policies. Their gloomy world outlooks and bullying roles earned them the nicknames Dr. No and Cardinal No. One is called Washington's Darth Vader, the other the Vatican's Darth Vader.

    W.'s Doberman and John Paul's "God's Rottweiler," as the new pope was called, are both global enforcers with cult followings. Just as the vice president acted to solidify the view of America as a hyperpower, so the new pope views the Roman Catholic Church as the one true religion. He once branded other faiths as deficient.

    Both like to blame the media. Cardinal Ratzinger once accused the U.S. press of overplaying the sex abuse scandal to hurt the church and keep the story on the front pages.

    Dr. No and Cardinal No parted ways on the war - though Cardinal Ratzinger did criticize the U.N. But they agree that stem cell research and cloning must be curtailed. Cardinal Ratzinger once called cloning "more dangerous than weapons of mass destruction."

    As fundamentalism marches on - even Bill Gates seems to have caved to a preacher on gay rights legislation because of fear of a boycott - U.S. conservatives are thrilled about the choice of Cardinal Ratzinger, hoping for an unholy alliance. They hope this pope - who seems to want a smaller, purer church - encourages a militant role for Catholic bishops and priests in the political process.

    Cardinal Ratzinger did not shrink from advising American bishops in the last presidential election on bringing Catholic elected officials to heel. He warned that Catholics who deliberately voted for a candidate because of a pro-choice position were guilty of cooperating in evil, and unworthy to receive communion. Vote Democratic and lose your soul. "Panzerkardinal," as he was known, definitely isn't a man who could read Mario Cuomo's Notre Dame speech urging that pro-choice politicians be allowed in the tent and say, "He's got a point."

    The Republicans can build their majority by bringing strict Catholics and evangelicals - once at odds - together on what they call "culture of life" issues.

    But there's a risk, as with Tom DeLay, Dr. Bill Frist and other Republicans, that if the new pope is too heavy-handed and too fundamentalist, his approach may backfire.

    Moral absolutism is relative, after all. As Bruce Landesman, a philosophy professor at the University of Utah, pointed out in a letter to The Times: "Those who hold 'liberal' views are not relativists. They simply disagree with the conservatives about what is right and wrong."


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    Good material !!!

    April 27, 2005
    OP-ED COLUMNIST
    U.N.leash Woolly Bully Bolton
    By MAUREEN DOWD

    Why are they picking on poor John Bolton? Everyone knows the man is perfect for the United Nations job.

    For one thing, his raging-bull temperament is ideally suited to an organization steeped in global pettifoggers and oil-for-food pilferers.

    The uncombed, untethered Mr. Bolton is fabulously operatic - the Naomi Campbell of the Bush administration, ready at a moment's notice to beat up on underlings.

    Who doesn't want to see Old Yeller chasing the Syrian ambassador down the hall, throwing a stapler at his head and biting at his ankles?

    Who doesn't want to see him foaming at the mouth - yes, it will be hard to tell - at the Cuban delegate over Castro's imaginary W.M.D.?

    Who doesn't want to see him mau-mauing the Iranian mullahs?

    Who doesn't want to see him once more misusing National Security Agency eavesdropping technology, this time to spy on Kofi and son?

    Who doesn't want to see him outrage North Korea by calling Kim Jong Il a fat, maniacal munchkin?

    Even if his suave statesmanship were not so perfectly suited to high-level diplomacy, Mr. Bolton should still get the job. A ruthless ogre who tried to fire intelligence analysts who disagreed with his attempts to stretch the truth on foreign weapons programs deserves to be rewarded as other Bush officials have been.

    After all, he was in sync with the approach of Condi Rice, Paul Wolfowitz, Stephen Hadley and Bob Joseph - who were all up for big jobs after they torqued up intelligence to fit the White House's theological beliefs.

    Condi breezed into the secretary of state job, even after she helped Dick Cheney gin up the Iraq war, ignoring reports debunking the notion of Iraqi nuclear tubes, and even after she told Congress she'd shrugged at the Aug. 6, 2001, presidential daily brief headlined "Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside the United States."

    Mr. Wolfowitz was eager to sell the war, ignoring predictions of insurgency and possible civil war. So he and Donald Rumsfeld left our troops so stretched and vulnerable that they were reduced to using cardboard cutouts to stand sentry, and to jury-rigging Humvees that had not been properly armored, resulting in many lost limbs and lives.

    So Mr. Wolfowitz now has the prestigious job of World Bank president.

    George Tenet presided over the two biggest intelligence failures in modern history. He slam-dunked a Medal of Freedom out of them.

    Just as Mr. Bolton and Mr. Cheney tried to shovel distortions into Colin Powell's U.N. speech, Mr. Hadley and Mr. Joseph put distortions into President Bush's State of the Union address.

    Dick Cheney intimidated C.I.A. analysts before the war. And he and President Bush let North Korea and Iran race ahead with their nuclear programs, and let Osama roam free, while they indulged their idée fixe on Iraq. Their reward? A second term.

    In the Bush 41 era, good manners and judiciousness were prized. In Bush 43's Washington, bristling and bullying are the cardinal virtues. Putting an ideological filter on reality is a good career move.

    Once more using 9/11 as a rationale, Karl Rove told USA Today that the terrorist attacks proved that officials should "be contesting, not simply supinely receiving, information from security analysts." He also rejected a deal with Senate Democrats on judiciary nominations and defended the rip-out-their-eyeballs tactics of Mr. Bolton and Tom DeLay.

    Mr. DeLay, who makes Donald Rumsfeld seem shy, created what The Washington Post called "an ethics-free zone" in the capital by bullying the House ethics panel, and now he and Dick Cheney are trying to bully the judiciary. Mr. Cheney also defended Mr. Bolton against criticism from the Colin Powell camp.

    Colin Powell never got it: there's nothing wrong with a little abrasiveness to win global domination.

    We should give the Bush administration credit for not being hypocritical by supporting a mealy-mouthed, mewling conciliator along the lines of Jeanne Kirkpatrick. If John Bolton is unfairly denied a chance to ply his diplomatic talents at the U.N., maybe he can work for Bill Gates.

    After Mr. Gates shamefully backed down from supporting gay rights legislation - a Washington State preacher had threatened to boycott the company - Microsoft could use a feral muscleman to face down the evangelical bully.

    That's a job - or an ankle - Mr. Bolton could really sink his teeth into.
     
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    I don't want this to descend in to a religious matter, but I find that Dowd has got it completely wrong in trying to bring some equivalence between the theological/moral/doctrinal teachings of Rome and the expedient/soundbite/rhethoric of a political party in the USA.

    I know for a fact that Pope Benedict and Pope John Paul would have very very grave reservations about George Bush and his political and religious ethos.

    These reservations would be based upon their view that the, so called, religious doctrine to which Bush subscribes is derivative and essentially contrary to the Roman Catholic Church in theological terms, in morality terms,
    in doctrinal terms.
    There can be no equivalence to the tenets of the faith to which Bush adheres, with the tenets to which the Roman Catholic faith is anchored.

    The fact that in certain specific instances, Bush's political policy happens to coincide with the moral teaching of the Roman Catholic Church, is happenstance, and does not afford Bush any cognisance with regard to his faith in the view of the Roman Catholic Church.
    His political stance is not informed, or guided by a belief - and sole belief - in the Roman Catholic faith.
    Bush's political policy is informed by something outside of the Roman Catholic faith, and therefore this convergence has no legitimacy in affirming a view that is outside of Rome's teachings.
    Nor does it espose any kind of affinity on the part of Rome, to the religious views and beliefs of faith which is outside of Rome and is alien.

    It is also worth noting that Bush's political stance on abortion is in accordance with Islam.
    Ms dowd doesn't make the claim that Bush is Islamic !
     
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