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Benjamin Weiner
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James Thomson <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Jay Beattie" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > AFAIK, all the predecessors and permutations of the MA2 (Elan, ModE, Mod3, Mod4, E2, MA2, G40,
> > MA40) had the same two-piece, spoke socket and stainless steel rivet (eyelet) arrangement. You
> > could not buy them with just a socket, or just a rivet or in plain steel.
> Single-eyelet MA2s have been available on the British market in the past. I don't remember any
> difference in labelling between the single eyelet model and the more common double eyelet version,
> but I don't have an example on hand to compare.
The original "MA" rim only had a single eyelet.
The predecessor of the MA2 was the socketed (double-eyelet) G40. GP4 was the tubular version. All
the G40, MA2, and MA40 rims I've seen have had similar socketed construction. I have not seen as
many rims as some of you veterans, and I don't go peeling tires off rims to check.
I'd believe pretty much anything Damon Rinard said over anything Bike Pro said. Bike Pro had a
tendency to mistake precision for accuracy. Also, the guy who wrote the catalog and web site text
used paragraph breaks so sparingly you'd think they were made of platinum, or old-stock MA-2s.
Ah, ****! I understand the rim weight issue now. Look at the table at
http://www.bikepro.com/products/rims/rimtables.html The entry for the MA-2 looks like this:
With Weight per
Spoke Drilling &
Eyelets? Finish Weight
Mavic ... 2-piece 464.0 g MA 2 Double Wall 473.5 g Stainless Steel 485.5 g
Perhaps Carl mistakenly read the three lines as three types of rims. The "Spoke Eyelets" column is
all one phrase: "2-piece double wall stainless steel" The Weight column entries are the weights of
32, 36, and 40 hole rims. This is obvious from some of the other lines where the number of weights
matches the number of hole drillings.
The next entry is for the MA-40 and the weights are 472.5,
449.9, 477.5. They're not even monotonically increasing with the number of holes/eyelets - that
tells you something about variations in rim weight and the absurdity of weighing rims to a tenth
of a gram right there.
> "Jay Beattie" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > AFAIK, all the predecessors and permutations of the MA2 (Elan, ModE, Mod3, Mod4, E2, MA2, G40,
> > MA40) had the same two-piece, spoke socket and stainless steel rivet (eyelet) arrangement. You
> > could not buy them with just a socket, or just a rivet or in plain steel.
> Single-eyelet MA2s have been available on the British market in the past. I don't remember any
> difference in labelling between the single eyelet model and the more common double eyelet version,
> but I don't have an example on hand to compare.
The original "MA" rim only had a single eyelet.
The predecessor of the MA2 was the socketed (double-eyelet) G40. GP4 was the tubular version. All
the G40, MA2, and MA40 rims I've seen have had similar socketed construction. I have not seen as
many rims as some of you veterans, and I don't go peeling tires off rims to check.
I'd believe pretty much anything Damon Rinard said over anything Bike Pro said. Bike Pro had a
tendency to mistake precision for accuracy. Also, the guy who wrote the catalog and web site text
used paragraph breaks so sparingly you'd think they were made of platinum, or old-stock MA-2s.
Ah, ****! I understand the rim weight issue now. Look at the table at
http://www.bikepro.com/products/rims/rimtables.html The entry for the MA-2 looks like this:
With Weight per
Spoke Drilling &
Eyelets? Finish Weight
Mavic ... 2-piece 464.0 g MA 2 Double Wall 473.5 g Stainless Steel 485.5 g
Perhaps Carl mistakenly read the three lines as three types of rims. The "Spoke Eyelets" column is
all one phrase: "2-piece double wall stainless steel" The Weight column entries are the weights of
32, 36, and 40 hole rims. This is obvious from some of the other lines where the number of weights
matches the number of hole drillings.
The next entry is for the MA-40 and the weights are 472.5,
449.9, 477.5. They're not even monotonically increasing with the number of holes/eyelets - that
tells you something about variations in rim weight and the absurdity of weighing rims to a tenth
of a gram right there.