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  1. Mentioned the mercury studies to Galen Knight, with the following
    response:

    --

    Dear Kris,

    Boy! Pete's got his shorts in a knot, eh? My original assessment of his
    ability to understand anything scientific still stands for the following
    reasons:

    "We studied 550 adults, 30-49 years of age, who were not occupationally
    exposed to mercury. Participants were representative of employees at a
    major urban medical center."

    How many mercury thermometers do you suppose have been dropped in old
    hospitals and medical centers and swept under the rugs....so to
    speak...to poison all who work there? Not environmentally poisoned? MY
    ASS!! Maybe Petey's own "poisoning" is the reason he is so persistent in
    his dogma, he may be mad as a "mercury-sizing" hatter. For example,
    studies have indicated that children are toxic with mercury before they
    even start school, not because of their orthodonics, but because of all
    the mercury injected into them by physicians like Petey who were
    "practicing" vaccinations of these children allegedly to "protect"
    instead of "poison" them. Of course, children saturated in mercury
    through "vaccinations" by Petey 'n' Co. can't show corroborating effects
    of relative mercury poisonings from amalgams advocated and applied by
    ADA 'n' Co., and vice versa. My scientific opinion is that this sounds
    like a bunch of braying asses covering each others'(asses).

    What does he say about mercury and the vanishingly small amounts of free
    vitalethine in the body? There is no mention of comparisons of
    experimentally poisoned groups with legitimate control groups, e.g.,
    those without any amalgam in their teeth and without any mercury laden
    vaccinations, and without any environmental poisoning say through eating
    fish (for example), and there is no mention of long-term studies. That's
    three. Try coal fired power plants and the air we breath, the water we
    drink polluted by metal mining, the jewelry we wear, factories spewing,
    the list goes on and on, even the mirrors and thermostats in many of our
    homes. They probably can't even get a legitimate control group together
    that has not been mercury poisoned because governments mandate
    vaccinations for their children. Any "amalgam" or "mercury-preserved
    vaccination" may saturate the body's vitaletheine with mercury (~3 ag/ml
    or 3 fg/kg) so that there is no correlation with any additional "insults
    to injuries" from any "asinine" treatments "alleged" to improve health.

    These studies cited appear to be myopically or intentionally designed to
    get the results needed to benefit only the ADA, AMA, FDA, and those
    others profiting from putting known poisons in peoples' mouths and
    bodies to prey upon their subsequently failing health and miseries.

    Good Health!!
    Galen

    Quoted message said:

    -- forwarded message --
    From: "Peter Moran" <[email hidden]>
    Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
    Subject: Latest research on amalgams
    Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 06:31:08 +1000

    Time, apparently, to check on the latest research. Some recent studies, and
    one that is planned to check on any amalgam effects in children.


    (cut)
    --
    _o Kristofer Dale,
    _ \<,_ ragged individualist,
    _____( )/ ( )_____ statistic at large...

    p.s. Learn and live, vitaletherapeutics.orgvitaletherapeutics.org

  2. "Kristofer D. Dale" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Mentioned the mercury studies to Galen Knight, with the
    following response:

    --

    Dear Kris,

    Boy! Pete's got his shorts in a knot, eh? My original
    assessment of his ability to understand anything
    scientific still stands for the following reasons:

    "We studied 550 adults, 30-49 years of age, who were not
    occupationally exposed to mercury. Participants were
    representative of employees at a major urban medical
    center."

    How many mercury thermometers do you suppose have been
    dropped in old hospitals and medical centers and swept
    under the rugs....so to speak...to poison all who work
    there? Not environmentally poisoned? MY ASS!! Maybe
    Petey's own "poisoning" is the reason he is so persistent
    in his dogma, he may be mad as a "mercury-sizing" hatter.
    For example, studies have indicated that children are
    toxic with mercury before they even start school, not
    because of their orthodonics, but because of all the
    mercury injected into them by physicians like Petey who
    were "practicing" vaccinations of these children allegedly
    to "protect" instead of "poison" them. Of course, children
    saturated in mercury through "vaccinations" by Petey 'n'
    Co. can't show corroborating effects of relative mercury
    poisonings from amalgams advocated and applied by ADA 'n'
    Co., and vice versa. My scientific opinion is that this
    sounds like a bunch of braying asses covering each
    others'(asses).

    What does he say about mercury and the vanishingly small
    amounts of free vitalethine in the body? There is no
    mention of comparisons of experimentally poisoned groups
    with legitimate control groups, e.g., those without any
    amalgam in their teeth and without any mercury laden
    vaccinations, and without any environmental poisoning say
    through eating fish (for example), and there is no mention
    of long-term studies. That's three. Try coal fired power
    plants and the air we breath, the water we drink polluted
    by metal mining, the jewelry we wear, factories spewing,
    the list goes on and on, even the mirrors and thermostats
    in many of our homes. They probably can't even get a
    legitimate control group together that has not been
    mercury poisoned because governments mandate vaccinations
    for their children. Any "amalgam" or "mercury-preserved
    vaccination" may saturate the body's vitaletheine with
    mercury (~3 ag/ml or 3 fg/kg) so that there is no
    correlation with any additional "insults to injuries" from
    any "asinine" treatments "alleged" to improve health.

    These studies cited appear to be myopically or
    intentionally designed to get the results needed to
    benefit only the ADA, AMA, FDA, and those others profiting
    from putting known poisons in peoples' mouths and bodies
    to prey upon their subsequently failing health and
    miseries.

    Good Health!! Galen

    Galen is the Vitallethine proponent. He is involved in quite
    a few quack ideas, including that there is a conspiracy
    against him. He has, I think, a PhD, which appears to have
    become a great handicap to some involved in medical studies.
    It confers on them a grossly overrated impression of their
    competence to pass judgement on medical matters, even if
    their PhD studies were done in areas with little or no
    overlap with medicine. Galen should also be the last person
    to accusing others of holding ideas that are not supported
    by any evidence. Read his advice to cancer patients and you
    will get what I mean.

    The simple refutation of what he states above is that in
    most of the studies which fail to show health effects at low
    levels of mercury exposure, including in persons with
    amalgams, mercury blood levels and/or excretion studies were
    performed at the same time to gauge the level of exposure,
    and these correlate well with known exposures. They are less
    in dentists than chloral alkali workers, for example.. They
    are higher in persons with amalgams than those without,
    regardless of other exposure, such as fish, as the
    antiamalgamists themselves love to point out. So the study
    he criticises above is quite valid, through the expectation
    that regardless of other exposure, mercury levels in those
    with amalgams will be higher. This is what the amalgam
    claims are all about, aren't they? IS your thinking impaired
    today, Galen, or was your PhD in ancient British history or
    Chinese music?

    Galen is commenting on research he has clearly not examined,
    even though he gives plenty of advice on exposure to heavy
    metals, suggesting that he should at one time looked at all
    the relevant research.

    Of course, the mercury paranoics then claim that "Oh, those
    measures don't correlate well with actual mercury exposure
    or body content of mercury". Well, they do actually
    correlate quite well with symptoms and signs of mercury
    toxicity in numerous studies of occupational exposure..

    Just a few of the available studies showing this. Does Galen
    know how to use Medline? :-) If so, he will find more.
    Department of Epidemiology and Department of Environmental
    Health Sciences,

    Mailman School of Public Health, Columbia University, New
    York, New York,

    USA.

    There is widespread concern regarding the safety of silver-
    mercury amalgam

    dental restorations, yet little evidence to support their
    harm or safety. We

    examined whether mercury dental amalgams are adversely
    associated with

    cognitive functioning in a cross-sectional sample of healthy
    working adults.

    We studied 550 adults, 30-49 years of age, who were not
    occupationally

    exposed to mercury. Participants were representative of
    employees at a major

    urban medical center. Each participant underwent a
    neuropsychologic test

    battery, a structured questionnaire, a modified dental
    examination, and

    collection of blood and urine samples. Mercury exposure was
    assessed using

    a) urinary mercury concentration (UHg); b) the total number
    of amalgam

    surfaces; and c) the number of occlusal amalgam surfaces.
    Linear regression

    analysis was used to estimate associations between each
    marker of mercury

    exposure and each neuropsychologic test, adjusting for
    potential confounding

    variables. Exposure levels were relatively low. The mean UHg
    was 1.7 micro

    b/g creatinine (range, 0.09-17.8); the mean total number of
    amalgam surfaces

    was 10.6 (range, 0-46) and the mean number of occlusal
    amalgam surfaces was

    6.1 (range, 0-19). No measure of exposure was significantly
    associated with

    the scores on any neuropsychologic test in analyses that
    adjusted for the

    sampling design and other covariates. In a sample of healthy
    working adults,

    mercury exposure derived from dental amalgam restorations
    was not associated

    with any detectable deficits in cognitive or fine motor
    functioning.

    PMID: 12727600 [PubMed - in process]

    Ahlqwist M, Bengtsson C, Lapidus L, Gergdahl IA, Schutz A

    Department of Oral Diagnostic Radiology, Goteborg
    University, Gothenburg, Sweden.

    [Medline record in process]

    A prospective population study of women in Gothenburg,
    Sweden was started in 1968-69 and comprised 1462 women aged
    38, 46, 50, 54, or 60 years at baseline. Follow-up studies
    were carried out in 1974-75, 1980-B11, and 1992-93. The
    baseline study included an extensive medical and dental
    examination. Serum mercury concentration (beta-HG) was
    determined in deep-frozen samples from all participants in
    1968-69 and in a random subsample of sera from participants
    in 1980-81, about 20 years after the baseline examination.
    S-Hg was statistically significantly correlated with number
    of amalgam fillings at both examinations. Of 30 defined
    symptoms and 4 different clusters of symptoms, no one was
    independently correlated with S-Hg measured in the samples
    from 1968-69, while there was a negative statistically
    significant correlation with over-exertion and poor appetite
    in 1980-81. Blood hemoglobin and serum B-12 concentrations
    in 1968-69 were statistically significantly and positively
    correlated with S-Hg, while erythrocyte sedimentation rate
    and the serum concentrations of potassium and triglycerides
    were significantly and negatively correlated with S-Hg, also
    after including potential confounders. Blood hematocrit
    examined in 1980-81 was negatively correlated with S-Hg.
    When including potential confounders, serum IgA was also
    statistically significantly correlated with S-Hg, but not in
    univariate analysis. No statistically significant
    correlation was observed between S-Hg, on the one hand, and
    the incidence of diabetes, myocardial infarction, stroke, or
    cancer on the other, while a statistically significant
    negative correlation was observed with overall mortality
    when age and education were included as background
    variables. There were some correlations between biological
    variables and S-Hg, probably of no negative clinical
    significance, and we conclude that there is no association
    between disease and S-Hg on a population basis in middle-
    aged and older women.

    PMID: 10480284, UI: 99408161

    This study used a chemating agent to assess exposure -------

    7: Eur J Neurol 1999 Sep;6(5):571-7 Related Articles,
    Books, LinkOut

    Neurological and electrophysiological examinations on three
    groups of workers with different levels of exposure to
    mercury vapors.

    Urban P, Lukas E, Nerudova J, Cabelkova Z, Cikrt M

    National Institute of Public Health, Srobarova 48, 100 42
    Praha 10, Praha, Czech Republic. [email hidden]

    The authors performed neurological, visual evoked potentials
    (VEP) and electroneurography (ENG) examinations on three
    groups of workers with occupational exposure to mercury
    vapors (Hg(0)), and on a control group. The exposure of
    dental professionals (n = 36) was mild, that of chloralkali
    plant workers (n = 36) was intermediate, and that of workers
    from mercury works (n = 77) was very high. Symptoms and
    signs of micromercurialism were observed only in the group
    with the highest exposure to Hg(0). In comparison with the
    control group, a shortening of VEP latency and a decrease in
    amplitude were found in the exposed groups. The VEP changes
    correlated with Hg(0) excreted in urine after administration
    of a chelating agent - sodium 2,3-dimercapto-1-propan
    sulfonate (DMPS). The frequency of abnormal VEP results
    increased with increasing levels of exposure. ENG changes
    were observed only in the group with the highest exposure to
    Hg(0). An isolated decrease of sural nerve conduction
    velocity was observed in 18% of total workers. In 70% of the
    cases, this was associated with an abnormality in VEP. The
    combination of a decrease in sural nerve conduction velocity
    and an abnormality of VEP seems to be a characteristic
    pattern of electrophysiological changes in persons exposed
    to mercury vapors. Copyright Lippincott Williams & Wilkins

    Publication Types:

    Clinical trial

    Peter Moran

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    -- forwarded message -- From: "Peter Moran"
    <[email hidden]> Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
    Subject: Latest research on amalgams Date: Mon, 22 Mar
    2004 06:31:08 +1000

    Time, apparently, to check on the latest research. Some
    recent studies,


    and

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    one that is planned to check on any amalgam effects in
    children.


    (cut)
    --
    _o Kristofer Dale, _ \<,_ ragged
    individualist, _____( )/ ( )_____ statistic at
    large...

    p.s. Learn and live, vitaletherapeutics.orgvitaletherapeutics.org

  3. Quoted message said:

    Subject: mercury
    From: "Kristofer D. Dale" [email hidden]
    Date: 4/3/2004 11:47 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    AMEN!! AMEN!! AMEN!!

    Jan

    Quoted message said:

    Mentioned the mercury studies to Galen Knight, with the
    following response:

    --

    Dear Kris,

    Boy! Pete's got his shorts in a knot, eh? My original
    assessment of his ability to understand anything scientific
    still stands for the following reasons:

    "We studied 550 adults, 30-49 years of age, who were
    not occupationally exposed to mercury. Participants
    were representative of employees at a major urban
    medical center."

    How many mercury thermometers do you suppose have been
    dropped in old hospitals and medical centers and swept
    under the rugs....so to speak...to poison all who work
    there? Not environmentally poisoned? MY ASS!! Maybe Petey's
    own "poisoning" is the reason he is so persistent in his
    dogma, he may be mad as a "mercury-sizing" hatter. For
    example, studies have indicated that children are toxic
    with mercury before they even start school, not because of
    their orthodonics, but because of all the mercury injected
    into them by physicians like Petey who were "practicing"
    vaccinations of these children allegedly to "protect"
    instead of "poison" them. Of course, children saturated in
    mercury through "vaccinations" by Petey 'n' Co. can't show
    corroborating effects of relative mercury poisonings from
    amalgams advocated and applied by ADA 'n' Co., and vice
    versa. My scientific opinion is that this sounds like a
    bunch of braying asses covering each others'(asses).

    What does he say about mercury and the vanishingly small
    amounts of free vitalethine in the body? There is no
    mention of comparisons of experimentally poisoned groups
    with legitimate control groups, e.g., those without any
    amalgam in their teeth and without any mercury laden
    vaccinations, and without any environmental poisoning say
    through eating fish (for example), and there is no mention
    of long-term studies. That's three. Try coal fired power
    plants and the air we breath, the water we drink polluted
    by metal mining, the jewelry we wear, factories spewing,
    the list goes on and on, even the mirrors and thermostats
    in many of our homes. They probably can't even get a
    legitimate control group together that has not been mercury
    poisoned because governments mandate vaccinations for their
    children. Any "amalgam" or "mercury-preserved vaccination"
    may saturate the body's vitaletheine with mercury (~3 ag/ml
    or 3 fg/kg) so that there is no correlation with any
    additional "insults to injuries" from any "asinine"
    treatments "alleged" to improve health.

    These studies cited appear to be myopically or
    intentionally designed to get the results needed to benefit
    only the ADA, AMA, FDA, and those others profiting from
    putting known poisons in peoples' mouths and bodies to prey
    upon their subsequently failing health and miseries.

    Good Health!! Galen

    Quoted message said:

    -- forwarded message -- From: "Peter Moran"
    <[email hidden]> Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
    Subject: Latest research on amalgams Date: Mon, 22 Mar
    2004 06:31:08 +1000

    Time, apparently, to check on the latest research. Some
    recent studies, and one that is planned to check on any
    amalgam effects in children.


    (cut)
    --
    _o Kristofer Dale, _ \<,_ ragged individualist,
    _____( )/ ( )_____ statistic at large...

    p.s. Learn and live, vitaletherapeutics.orgvitaletherapeutics.org

  4. Peter Moran said:

    Galen is the Vitallethine proponent. He is involved in
    quite a few quack ideas, including that there is a
    conspiracy against him.

    That's "vitalethine", you "Moran". Is defending your
    property from illegal seizure a "quack idea"? Is pointing
    out the fact that a pack of liars are denying millions of
    citizens the benefit of research they helped fund
    "quackery"? Is the sytematic, unjustified, illegal, and
    fraudulent dismantling of authentic patented and published
    intellectual property, over many years time, something else
    besides a "conspiracy"? Perhaps so, if you are a moron, like
    Peter here...

    Quoted message said:

    Galen is commenting on research he has clearly not
    examined, even though he gives plenty of advice on
    exposure to heavy metals, suggesting that he should at one
    time looked at all the relevant research.

    Peter is ignoring the fact that Galen does not accept the
    "acceptable levels" estimated for toxic metals. Mercury is
    only one of many exposures that can contribute to the
    deterioration and/or destruction of metabolism and immune
    function...

    Quoted message said:

    Does Galen know how to use Medline?

    I find it very droll that an M.D. would have to wonder if a
    Ph.D. biochemist/endocrinologist knows how to use Medline...

    Quoted message said:

    He has, I think, a PhD, which appears to have become a
    great handicap to some involved in medical studies.

    Watching Peter trying to [censored] on something over his head is
    akin to "pissing in the wind", but rather more difficult to
    clean up... ;^]

    Further reading:

    vitaletherapeutics.orgvtlmntox.htm

    --
    _o Kristofer Dale, _ \<,_ ragged individualist,
    _____( )/ ( )_____ statistic at large...

    p.s. Learn and live, vitaletherapeutics.orgvitaletherapeutics.org

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