Michael Moore Movie and Katrina

[jhuskey]

I am hearing rumors that Mr. Moore has taken enough time away from the "all you eat buffet" to consider doing a film on the Katrina disaster.
I am in total confusion about who may be the Villian in this proposed master piece.
Finally, just what I was hoping for, an unbiased account of what really happened. (note the sarcasm)
I think I will beat the rush and line up and make my plans to be busy the month that it's released. Maybe I can plan something more entertaining like having 30 days of diarrhea.

Title suggestion: "Katrina, Moores Quest for More Money"

 

[MountainPro]

Thing is though Huskey, despite any bias that may have been put onto Farienheit 9/11, it did have one very positive effect.

It highlighted the lack of confidence and the disillusionment that a majority of American's feel about thier own government and are now powerless do do anything about it.

His films are viewed by a world audience who would not normally get the chance to hear the views of Bushs opposition. The allegations that were laid at the feet of his admin. have still not been addressed. Instead, the defence is mainly built using, 'Moore is a whacko with a hidden aganda'...well isnt Bush just the same..?

Computer models have predicted the arrival of Katrina and the University of New Orleans in particular highlighted the danger the city was in. If Bush isnt to blame, who is?

I am hearing rumors that Mr. Moore has taken enough time away from the "all you eat buffet" to consider doing a film on the Katrina disaster.
I am in total confusion about who may be the Villian in this proposed master piece.
Finally, just what I was hoping for, an unbiased account of what really happened. (note the sarcasm)
I think I will beat the rush and line up and make my plans to be busy the month that it's released. Maybe I can plan something more entertaining like having 30 days of diarrhea.

Title suggestion: "Katrina, Moores Quest for More Money"

 

[jhuskey]

Thing is though Huskey, despite any bias that may have been put onto Farienheit 9/11, it did have one very positive effect.

It highlighted the lack of confidence and the disillusionment that a majority of American's feel about thier own government and are now powerless do do anything about it.

His films are viewed by a world audience who would not normally get the chance to hear the views of Bushs opposition. The allegations that were laid at the feet of his admin. have still not been addressed. Instead, the defence is mainly built using, 'Moore is a whacko with a hidden aganda'...well isnt Bush just the same..?

Computer models have predicted the arrival of Katrina and the University of New Orleans in particular highlighted the danger the city was in. If Bush isnt to blame, who is?

No need to rehash blame because everyone has already formed their opinion.
I have made my opinion known and the models you speak of have been around for years.
It is evident that emtremist keep the pot stirred so much that whether a division of opinion existed before they will certainly create one.
Such people make money off of controversy and seldom have an ubiased opinion. As long as someone will listen and react,they have a job.
The media has already caused such a scare over Rita here that gas prices have jumped again.
I swear I think we are a bunch of damn Lemmings just waiting for anyone with a half assed plan to say "follow me" and most are foaming at the mouth to follow.
I still maintain that the greatest responsibility lies witih ones self.
We shape our own destiny to a large extent.
Then again I am not Socialist!

 

[Colorado Ryder]

No need to rehash blame because everyone has already formed their opinion.
I have made my opinion known and the models you speak of have been around for years.
It is evident that emtremist keep the pot stirred so much that whether a division of opinion existed before they will certainly create one.
Such people make money off of controversy and seldom have an ubiased opinion. As long as someone will listen and react,they have a job.
The media has already caused such a scare over Rita here that gas prices have jumped again.
I swear I think we are a bunch of damn Lemmings just waiting for anyone with a half assed plan to say "follow me" and most are foaming at the mouth to follow.
I still maintain that the greatest responsibility lies witih ones self.
We shape our own destiny to a large extent.
Then again I am not Socialist!

You keep this up and you're going to end up on someone's ignore list.

 

[jhuskey]

You keep this up and you're going to end up on someone's ignore list.

One could only hope!

 

[zapper]

I am hearing rumors that Mr. Moore has taken enough time away from the "all you eat buffet" to consider doing a film on the Katrina disaster.
I am in total confusion about who may be the Villian in this proposed master piece.
Finally, just what I was hoping for, an unbiased account of what really happened. (note the sarcasm)
I think I will beat the rush and line up and make my plans to be busy the month that it's released. Maybe I can plan something more entertaining like having 30 days of diarrhea.

Title suggestion: "Katrina, Moores Quest for More Money"

Of course he will show the viewers the crater where the government place 300lbs of TNT...

 

[TrekDedicated]

You keep this up and you're going to end up on someone's ignore list.

Ooooooooooooooooooo.

It's a shame jhuskey makes a good argument and you want to 'ignore' right away. 'Clever'.

Am I next on your ignore list????


Zap, it'll probably be more like 500 LBs, and it'll start off with Kanye West's remarks.

I guess it's time to start checking moorewatch.com again...

 

[Colorado Ryder]

Ooooooooooooooooooo.

It's a shame jhuskey makes a good argument and you want to 'ignore' right away. 'Clever'.

Am I next on your ignore list????

Wurmster has put me on his ignore list. Jhuskey is jealous because he isn't on Wurmster's list. That is what I was referring to. If you don't agree with exactly everything Wurmster has to say then he gets all miffed and "ignores" you.

 

[Chance3290]

Computer models have predicted the arrival of Katrina and the University of New Orleans in particular highlighted the danger the city was in. If Bush isnt to blame, who is?

Damn that Bush for building New Orleans below sea level. DAMN HIM!!!

I am willing to bet that neither moron moore or Kayenne West will ever mention any of the following. This was emailed to me a few days ago.:


Subject: How the Government was supposed to handle the New Orleans Screw
>Up
>
>In case you aren't familiar with how our government is SUPPOSED to work:
>The chain of responsibility for the protection of the citizens in New
>Orleans is:
>
>1. The Mayor
>2. The New Orleans director of Homeland Security (a political appointee of
>the Governor who reports to the Governor)
>3. The Governor
>4. The Head of Homeland Security
>5. The President
>
>What did each do?
>
>1. The mayor, with 5 days advance, waited until 2 days before he announced
>a mandatory evacuation (at the behest of the President). Then he failed to
>provide transportation for those without transport even though he had
>hundreds of buses at his disposal.
>
>2. The New Orleans director of Homeland Security failed to have any plan
>for a contingency that has been talked about for 50 years. Then he blames
>the Feds for not doing what he should have done. (So much for political
>appointees)
>
>3. The Governor, despite a declaration of disaster by the President 2 DAYS
>BEFORE the storm hit, failed to take advantage of the offer of Federal
>troops and aid until 2 DAYS AFTER the storm hit.
>
>4. The Director of Homeland Security positioned assets in the area to be
>ready when the Governor called for them.
>
>5. The President urged a mandatory evacuation, and even declared a
>disaster State of Emergency, freeing up millions of dollars of federal
>assistance, should the Governor decide to use it.
>
>Oh and by the way, the levees that broke were the responsibility of the
>local landowners and the local levee board to maintain, NOT THE FEDERAL
>GOVERNMENT.
>
>The disaster in New Orleans is what you get after decades of corrupt
>(democrat) government going all the way back to Huey Long.
>
>Funds for disaster protection and relief have been flowing into this city
>for decades, and where has it gone, but into the pockets of the politicos
>and their friends.
>Decades of socialist government in New Orleans has sapped all self reliance
>from the community, and made them dependent upon government for every
>little thing.
>
>Political correctness and a lack of will to fight crime have created the
>single most corrupt police force in the country, and has permitted gang
>violence to flourish.
>
>The sad thing is that there are many poor folks who have suffered and died
>needlessly because those that they voted into office failed them.
>
>For those who missed item 5 (where the President's level of accountability
>is discussed), it is made more clear in a New Orleans Times-Picayune
>article dated August 28:
>
>NEW ORLEANS (AP) - In the face of a catastrophic Hurricane Katrina, a
>mandatory evacuation was ordered Sunday for New Orleans by Mayor Ray Nagin.
>
>Acknowledging that large numbers of people, many of them stranded tourists,
>would be unable to leave, The city set up 10 places of last resort for
>people to go, including the Superdome.
>
>The mayor called the order unprecedented and said anyone who could leave
>the city should. He exempted hotels from the evacuation order because
>airlines had already canceled all flights.
>
>Gov. Kathleen Blanco, standing beside the mayor at a news conference, said
>President Bush called and personally appealed for a mandatory evacuation
>for the low-lying city, which is prone to flooding.
>
>The ball was placed in Mayor Nagin's court to carry out the evacuation
>order. With 5-day heads-up, he had the authority to use any and all
>services to evacuate all residents from the city, as documented in a city
>emergency preparedness plan. By waiting until the last minute, and failing
>to make full use of resources available within city limits, Nagin and his
>administration messed up.
>
>Mayor Nagin and his emergency sidekick Terry Ebbert have displayed lethal,
>mind boggling incompetence before, during and after Katrina.
>
>As for Mayor Nagin, he and his profile in pathetic leadership police chief
>should resign. That city's government is incompetent from one end to the
>other. The people of New Orleans deserve better than this crowd of clowns
>is capable of giving them.
>
>If you're keeping track, these boobs let 569 buses that could have carried
>33,350 people out of New Orleans-in one trip-get ruined in the floods.
>Whatever plan these guys had, it was a dud. Or it probably would have been
>if they'd bothered to follow it.
>
>As for all the race-baiting rhetoric and Bush-bashing coming from prominent
>blacks on the left, don't expect Ray Nagin to be called out on the carpet
>for falling short. You want to know why? Here's why:
>
>It's more convenient to blame a white president for what went wrong than to
>hold a black mayor and his administration accountable for gross negligence
>and failing to fully carry out an established emergency preparedness plan.
>
>To hold Nagin and his administration accountable for dropping the ball
>amounts to letting loose the shouts and cries of "Racism!". It's sad, it's
>wrong, but it's standard operating procedure for the media.
>Some more Comments from UNREPORTED NEWS
>
>On Friday night before the storm hit Max Mayfield of the National Hurricane
>Center took the unprecedented action of calling Nagin and Blanco personally
>to plead with them to begin MANDATORY evacuation of NO and they said they'd
>take it under consideration. This was after the NOAA buoy 240 miles south
>had recorded 68' waves before it was destroyed.
>
>President Bush spent Friday afternoon and evening in meetings with his
>advisors and administrators drafting all of the paperwork required for a
>state to request federal assistance (and not be in violation of the Posse
>Comitatus Act or having to enact the Insurgency Act). Just before midnight
>Friday evening the President called Governor Blanco and pleaded with her to
>sign the request papers so the federal government and the military could
>legally begin mobilization and call up. He was told that they didn't think
>it necessary for the federal government to be involved yet. After the
>President's final call to the governor she held meetings with her staff to
>discuss the political ramifications of bringing federal forces. It was
>decided that if they allowed federal assistance it would make it look as if
>they had failed so it was agreed upon that the feds would not be invited
>in.
>
>Saturday before the storm hit the President again called Blanco and Nagin
>requesting they please sign the papers requesting federal assistance, that
>they declare the state an emergency area, and begin mandatory evacuation.
>After a personal plea from the President Nagin agreed to order an
>evacuation, but it would not be a full mandatory evacuation, and the
>governor still refused to sign the papers requesting and authorizing
>federal action. In frustration the President declared the area a national
>disaster area before the state of Louisiana did so he could legally begin
>some advanced preparations. Rumor has it that the President's legal
>advisers were looking into the ramifications of using the insurgency act to
>bypass the Constitutional requirement that a state request federal aid
>before the federal government can move into state with troops - but that
>had not been done since 1906 and the Constitutionality of it was called
>into question to use before the disaster.
>
>Throw in that over half the federal aid of the past decade to NO for levee
>construction, maintenance, and repair was diverted to fund a marina and
>support the gambling ships. Toss in the investigation that will look into
>why the emergency preparedness plan submitted to the federal government for
>funding and published on the city's website was never implemented and in
>fact may have been bogus for the purpose of gaining additional federal
>funding as we now learn that the organizations identified in the plan were
>never contacted or coordinating into any planning - though the document
>implies that they were.
>
>The suffering people of NO need to be asking some hard questions as do we
>all, but they better start with why Blanco refused to even sign the
>multi-state mutual aid pack activation documents until Wednesday which
>further delayed the legal deployment of National Guard from adjoining
>states. Or maybe ask why Nagin keeps harping that the President should
>have commandeered 500 Greyhound buses to help him when according to his
>own emergency plan and documents he claimed to have over 500 buses at his
>disposal to use between the local school busses and the city transportation
>buses - but he never raised a finger to prepare them or activate them.
>
>This is a sad time for all of us to see that a major city has all but been
>destroyed and thousands of people have died with hundreds of thousands more
>suffering, but it's certainly not a time for people to be pointing fingers
>and trying to find a bigger dog to blame for local corruption and
>incompetence. Pray to God for the survivors that they can start their
>lives anew as fast as possible and we learn from all the mistakes to avoid
>them in the future.

If you doubt any one these facts...well, I'm sure people will doubt these facts. Hell, we have people blaming Bush for the hurricane itself. But, let's all remember the good old days when bill clinton was able to stop our dependency on petroleum, fix the ozone layer, get rid of global warming, and move the earth a little to the left. Didn't he?

 

[MountainPro]

Damn that Bush for building New Orleans below sea level. DAMN HIM!!!

shut up ********....you know what i meant, He sat on his **** and did nothing to prevent the death of thousands...

thats as good as issuing death sentences as far as i am concerned.

He was fully warned.

 

[wilmar13]

shut up ********....you know what i meant, He sat on his **** and did nothing to prevent the death of thousands...

thats as good as issuing death sentences as far as i am concerned.

He was fully warned.

Not to get in the middle of this, but as much of a Putz that Bush is, you can't really knock him over how he dealt with the Hurricane. He asked the local politicians to take actions before the hurricane that they did not take. The mess there lies in the hands of the local and state government. Now did Bush and his administration have an "I told you so" attitude in the aftermath? Maybe, but fact is he did not sit on his **** before it happened... that award goes to Mayor Nadin and Gov. Blanco.

 

[Chance3290]

shut up ********....you know what i meant, He sat on his **** and did nothing to prevent the death of thousands...

thats as good as issuing death sentences as far as i am concerned.

He was fully warned.

You are an idiot. What did you not understand about the items I listed? He told the mayor and governor to evacuate THEIR citizens. They (mayor & governor) got out, but they left THEIR people.

Now blame Bush for that, you ****-for-brains ****.

ps I spent the last few weekends helping evacuees and donating money. What have you and your ilk done? NOTHING!! You come these forums and whine about all the world's problems, but you do NOTHING!! Go away.

 

[MountainPro]

ps I spent the last few weekends helping evacuees and donating money. What have you and your ilk done? NOTHING!! You come these forums and whine about all the world's problems, but you do NOTHING!! Go away.

the UK donated a sizable amount both from govt funds and from the citizen donations. didnt you know that?

btw, thats the first time i have been called a '****'. i am quite offended...

 

[limerickman]

I am hearing rumors that Mr. Moore has taken enough time away from the "all you eat buffet" to consider doing a film on the Katrina disaster.
I am in total confusion about who may be the Villian in this proposed master piece.
Finally, just what I was hoping for, an unbiased account of what really happened. (note the sarcasm)
I think I will beat the rush and line up and make my plans to be busy the month that it's released. Maybe I can plan something more entertaining like having 30 days of diarrhea.

Title suggestion: "Katrina, Moores Quest for More Money"

I don't presume that anyone is saying that Bush created the Hurricane.

But there is a question mark about just how much help and how much assistance was provided by Central Goverment and the slow response to what
has been a disaster.
And there is also a question mark about how FEMA budgets were corralled in to that other old chestnut the Dept of Homeland Security.
Whether any of this is suitable for a film is highly subjective, of course.

But speaking of media, it is interesting to note that Bush has visited
New Orleans five separate times in the last three weeks.
And he used to media to inform the public of those visits.
So perhaps Michael Moore isn't the only one using the media to their own ends ?

 

[Chance3290]

btw, thats the first time i have been called a '****'. i am quite offended...

A benefit of living in many parts of the world, I can insult people in several different languages, dialects, and slang expressions. I was hoping for more outrage from you. But you didn't bite. BLNT

 

[jhuskey]

I don't presume that anyone is saying that Bush created the Hurricane.

But there is a question mark about just how much help and how much assistance was provided by Central Goverment and the slow response to what
has been a disaster.
And there is also a question mark about how FEMA budgets were corralled in to that other old chestnut the Dept of Homeland Security.
Whether any of this is suitable for a film is highly subjective, of course.

But speaking of media, it is interesting to note that Bush has visited
New Orleans five separate times in the last three weeks.
And he used to media to inform the public of those visits.
So perhaps Michael Moore isn't the only one using the media to their own ends ?

I am not defending Bush in any way ....but if he hadn't visited he would have been classed as a non-caring SOB.
If he goes there he is 'Grandstanding".
No win situation for him at this point.
A docomertary film would be enlightening if it were done without prejudice by someone like the caliber of Charles Kurlat (deceased of course). I met him once in New Orleans,as chance would have it, a nice stand up guy, but there must be some good ones left that are not polarized one way or another.
Moore is not one of them.

 

[zapper]

the UK donated a sizable amount both from govt funds and from the citizen donations. didnt you know that?

btw, thats the first time i have been called a '****'. i am quite offended...

yeah...especially since you've never seen one before...

 

[limerickman]

I am not defending Bush in any way ....but if he hadn't visited he would have been classed as a non-caring SOB.
If he goes there he is 'Grandstanding".
No win situation for him at this point.
A docomertary film would be enlightening if it were done without prejudice by someone like the caliber of Charles Kurlat (deceased of course). I met him once in New Orleans,as chance would have it, a nice stand up guy, but there must be some good ones left that are not polarized one way or another.
Moore is not one of them.

If he hadn't visited the area - he would be lambasted as you say.

I am not sure that a documentary will provide any more insight to what is already known.
The citizens of Louisiana know who compounded the problem of their hurricane - namely the Gov of George W Bush.

 

[jhuskey]

If he hadn't visited the area - he would be lambasted as you say.

I am not sure that a documentary will provide any more insight to what is already known.
The citizens of Louisiana know who compounded the problem of their hurricane - namely the Gov of George W Bush.

I agree on one point, I believe the residents know who needs to shoulder the blame.

 

[zapper]

If he hadn't visited the area - he would be lambasted as you say.

I am not sure that a documentary will provide any more insight to what is already known.
The citizens of Louisiana know who compounded the problem of their hurricane - namely the Gov of George W Bush.

funny, you spelled the govenors name wrong. I agree with you it is namely the Govenor and the mayors fault!