Mike Vandeman

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  1. Shaun Rimmer

    Shaun Rimmer Guest

    Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > On Mon, 31 Mar 2003 16:37:15 +0100, "Shaun Rimmer" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >

    > .Well, I must admit to thinking he's not the the sharpest knife in the
    block,

    rather
    > .terrible. Also, you really don't have a clue about MTB'ing and the .environment, which I
    > shouldn't need to say, as it's painfully obvious to
    all
    > .with even 1 working neuron. . .I think you should seek councelling.
    >
    > Find a kid who can spell it, to explain it to you.
    >
    > .Shaun aRe

    Poor MV, he can't make a decent argument, so he has to pick up on a typo, heheheheh! You do know how
    close 'c' and 's' are on a keyboard dontcha? Heheheheh........

    Oh, and again, thanks for the abuse reports - the bosses got a good laugh outa that ',;~}

    Shaun aRe - lethal with a chopstick, heheheheh.........
     


  2. Mr. E. Mann

    Mr. E. Mann Guest

    Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:

    > On Sat, 29 Mar 2003 18:49:28 -0500, PeterH <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > .Mike Vandeman wrote: . .> .> .Until plants are accorded the status of citizens, the threat you
    > refer .to is moot. Purely moot.
    >
    > But highly illegal. Where did you learn to be so irrelevant? Every one of your posts is a
    > non-sequitur!

    I guess all those people weeding their yards should be thrown in jail then?

    > .Pete H
    >
    >===
    > I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to
    > help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
    >
    > http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
     
  3. Mr. E. Mann

    Mr. E. Mann Guest

    Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:

    > On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 13:09:55 -0000, "Shaun Rimmer" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > . .Mr. E. Mann <[email protected]> wrote in message .news:[email protected]... .>
    > Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote in .> Hey Mike, .> .> Whay don't yo8u do something to
    > prevent overpopulation of the eah. You can .> start by sticking a gun in your mouth and pulling
    > the trigger. . . .Why don't you just get a grip, you over-reacting sorry son of a bitches .turd -
    > FFS, what are you, some kind enraged hormonal teenager or something?
    >
    > No, just a typical mountain biker.

    Actaully, I'm one of the people that you claimed you like in an earlier thread. I don't do any off
    roading, I ride on paved trails and on the street. I don't own a car and ride my bike to work every
    day. I probably do less damage to nature than you do. My guess is that you are probably handicapped
    in some way (other than the obvious mental handicap) and you hate people who are able to get around
    freely and enjoy themselves. Either that or you are just like the other tree huggers and hate people
    in general. You probably did a little dance when you heard that guy had a serious injury when he was
    mountainbiking because you were so happy. What ever your problem is you obviously hate mountain
    biker for some reason that doesn't really have anything to do with them supposedly destroying nature
    because there are a lot of other things out there that do a hell of a lot more damage to nature.
    Maybe you are hoping that this will be your claim to fame.

    > . .Shaun aRe . .
    >
    >===
    > I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to
    > help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
    >
    > http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
     
  4. Peterh

    Peterh Guest

    Mike Vandeman wrote:

    >On Mon, 31 Mar 2003 18:17:05 -0500, PeterH <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > As I've suggested .before, in the face of the documented ills we face and the the planet .faces
    > because of us, mountain biking is pretty small potatoes.
    >
    >8 million prople out ripping up nature every week cause a significant amount of damage.
    >
    >
    >
    >
    270 million buring fossil fuels, laying asphalt, building mega-marts, creating landfill crises w/
    disposable electronics, and gobbling fast food with packaging from non-renewable sources and you
    complain of a single activity engaged in by 2% of them or fewer? Not to mention the burgeoning
    population?

    PH

    --
    Reforms come from below; no man with four aces asks for a redeal. anon.
     
  5. Mr. E. Mann

    Mr. E. Mann Guest

    "Shaun Rimmer" <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:

    > Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    >
    >
    > Yo, pooperhead - if I met you, I would likely kill you by hitting you repeatedly over the head
    > with the blunt end of a bamboo chopstick. As you can well imagine, this would be a very slow and
    > painful way for you to die, but it would likely make me quite happy. If this surprises you, then
    > you are an easily surprised fool.
    >

    I've always wondered what it would be like to beat someone to death with an empty 9oz. arrowhead
    water bottle.

    >
    > Shaun aRe - 'The Hippy'.
     
  6. On Tue, 01 Apr 2003 05:55:35 -0500, PeterH <[email protected]> wrote:

    .Mike Vandeman wrote: . .>On Mon, 31 Mar 2003 18:17:05 -0500, PeterH <[email protected]> wrote: .> .>
    As I've suggested .>.before, in the face of the documented ills we face and the the planet .>.faces
    because of us, mountain biking is pretty small potatoes. .> .>8 million prople out ripping up nature
    every week cause a significant amount of .>damage. .> .> .> .> .270 million buring fossil fuels,
    laying asphalt, building mega-marts, .creating landfill crises w/ disposable electronics, and
    gobbling fast .food with packaging from non-renewable sources and you complain of a .single activity
    engaged in by 2% of them or fewer? Not to mention the .burgeoning population?

    Yes. Mountain biking is the number one threat in parks.

    .PH

    ===
    I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to
    help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

    http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
     
  7. On Tue, 01 Apr 2003 10:57:02 GMT, "Mr. E. Mann" <[email protected]> wrote:

    .Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote in .news:[email protected]: . .>
    On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 13:09:55 -0000, "Shaun Rimmer" .> <[email protected]> wrote: .> .> . .> .Mr.
    E. Mann <[email protected]> wrote in message .> .news:[email protected]... .> .>
    Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote in .> .> Hey Mike, .> .> .> .> Whay don't yo8u do
    something to prevent overpopulation of the eah. .> You can .> start by sticking a gun in your mouth
    and pulling the .> trigger. . .> . .> .Why don't you just get a grip, you over-reacting sorry son of
    a .> bitches .turd - FFS, what are you, some kind enraged hormonal teenager .> or something? .> .>
    No, just a typical mountain biker. . .Actaully, I'm one of the people that you claimed you like in
    an earlier .thread. I don't do any off roading, I ride on paved trails and on the .street. I don't
    own a car and ride my bike to work every day.

    That's commendable.

    I probably do .less damage to nature than you do. My guess is that you are probably .handicapped in
    some way (other than the obvious mental handicap) and you .hate people who are able to get around
    freely and enjoy themselves.

    You should have stopped when you were ahead. Now you are just purveying prejudice and hate. You gave
    yourself away, by speculating about something you know NOTHING about.

    Either .that or you are just like the other tree huggers and hate people in .general.

    Thank you for demonstrating just how ignorant mountain bikers (and mountain biker sympathizers) are.

    You probably did a little dance when you heard that guy had a .serious injury when he was
    mountainbiking because you were so happy.

    We SHOULD be happy when environmental rapists get the punishment they deserve -- even if it is
    self-imposed!

    What .ever your problem is you obviously hate mountain biker

    Thanks for demonstrating your ignorance again. I hate mountain BIKING, not mountain BIKERS. How can
    you hate something so pathetic?

    ===
    I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to
    help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

    http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
     
  8. Peter R .

    Peter R . Guest

    On 31 Mar 2003 05:50:22 -0800, [email protected] (Terri Alvillar) wrote:

    >"P e t e F a g e r l i n" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:<[email protected]>...
    >
    >> | Pete Fagerlin is the ultimate coward. He uses a picture of a recent widow (photographed by the
    >> | Marin Independent Journal) defending her dead husband's honor to justify mountain bikers'
    >> | destruction of nature.
    >>
    >> Hey you fat sow, didn't anyone tell you that the Farrah 'do went out over a decade ago?
    >>
    >> I "use" a picture of you because when I read your nattering it helps to put your silliness in
    >> context, hag.
    >>
    >> | It is not surprising that Fagerlin finds the grief of his enemies amusing.
    >
    >
    >
    >Again Fagerlin proves my point. He can't refute my statements about the damage mountain biking
    >causes with reason or logic so he resorts to personal attacks. Terri Alvillar See more trail
    >destruction at http://www.brightpathvideo.com/Marin_County.htm (click on Marin Trails magazine)
    >http://[email protected]/

    How's this possible ? I've been away for a few months and we've atracted yet ANOTHER troll ? OK,
    I'll do this once and in the *plonk* list, 'Terri', you go. All lifeforms on this planet have impact
    on our ecosystem(s). So do humans (Although with humans it seems to be considered not as impact, but
    as 'damage'). Posting messages on NG's needs computers (filthy synthetic chemicals go into making
    those), electricity (most of it not renewable, and even of you use solar or windpower
    'constructions'. I need not further explain. So does cycling, 'mountainbiking', etc. So the question
    is not 'what does the damage' or 'what is the impact', but, short of collective suicide (which might
    create other problems, but I digress), HOW MUCH IS ACCEPTABLE. This is as much a personal
    appreciation as a collective one, the 'human race' in all it's diversity. You are entitled to your
    opinion. So are we. You can write to your congressman, prime minister, dictator, whoever. So can we.
    I for one, am NOT convinced by your arguments. That I, while cycling, have impact (or do damage) to
    my environment, i.e. change things as opposed to the way they were before I passed, is undisputed.
    Quantum theory states that you can influence something that is happening by simply seeing it
    happening, but yet again I digress (it's getting degressing). I cycle about 200-225 miles every
    week, 200 of them I cycle to work, not needing my car those days (how many do you cycle ?). I find
    my Impact acceptable. Now you've shared your opinion (as is your right), and I've ventilated mine.
    Now on yer bike

    Peter *plonk* R.
     
  9. It's nice to see thta you guys all have nothing better to talk about than ME! Keep it up!
    ===
    I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to
    help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

    http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
     
  10. Supabonbon

    Supabonbon Guest

    "P e t e F a g e r l i n" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:<[email protected]>...
    > "Terri Alvillar" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    >
    > | Again Fagerlin proves my point. He can't refute my statements about the damage mountain biking
    > | causes with reason or logic so he resorts to personal attacks.
    >
    > Hey you corpulent Farrah wannabe,
    <ouch>
    > http://www.paradigmhosting.net/whackjobs/alvillar.jpg
    <oofah!!!>

    Excuse my ignorance, but does hairspray propellant still deplete the ozone? At the very least,
    you're responsible for Aquanet-loads of funny tasting fish when you shower that stuff out.

    /s
     
  11. > How's this possible ? I've been away for a few months and we've atracted yet ANOTHER troll ? OK,
    > I'll do this once and in the *plonk* list, 'Terri', you go.

    Don't worry, it's only a puppet, mikey still hasn't successfully breeded.
    --
    _________________________
    Chris Phillipo - Cape Breton, Nova Scotia http://www.ramsays-online.com
     
  12. Peter R. <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:<[email protected]>...

    > >Again Fagerlin proves my point. He can't refute my statements about the damage mountain biking
    > >causes with reason or logic so he resorts to personal attacks. Terri Alvillar See more trail
    > >destruction at http://www.brightpathvideo.com/Marin_County.htm (click on Marin Trails magazine)
    > >http://[email protected]/
    >
    > How's this possible ? I've been away for a few months and we've atracted yet ANOTHER troll ? OK,
    > I'll do this once and in the *plonk* list, 'Terri', you go. All lifeforms on this planet have
    > impact on our ecosystem(s). So do humans (Although with humans it seems to be considered not as
    > impact, but as 'damage'). Posting messages on NG's needs computers (filthy synthetic chemicals go
    > into making those), electricity (most of it not renewable, and even of you use solar or windpower
    > 'constructions'. I need not further explain. So does cycling, 'mountainbiking', etc. So the
    > question is not 'what does the damage' or 'what is the impact', but, short of collective suicide
    > (which might create other problems, but I digress), HOW MUCH IS ACCEPTABLE. This is as much a
    > personal appreciation as a collective one, the 'human race' in all it's diversity. You are
    > entitled to your opinion. So are we. You can write to your congressman, prime minister, dictator,
    > whoever. So can we. I for one, am NOT convinced by your arguments. That I, while cycling, have
    > impact (or do damage) to my environment, i.e. change things as opposed to the way they were before
    > I passed, is undisputed. Quantum theory states that you can influence something that is happening
    > by simply seeing it happening, but yet again I digress (it's getting degressing). I cycle about
    > 200-225 miles every week, 200 of them I cycle to work, not needing my car those days (how many do
    > you cycle ?). I find my Impact acceptable. Now you've shared your opinion (as is your right), and
    > I've ventilated mine. Now on yer bike
    >
    > Peter *plonk* R.

    I used to cycle 100-200 miles a week - for about 10 years. Terri Alvillar
     
  13. In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
    > Mike Vandeman wrote:
    >
    > >On Mon, 31 Mar 2003 18:17:05 -0500, PeterH <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >
    > > As I've suggested .before, in the face of the documented ills we face and the the planet .faces
    > > because of us, mountain biking is pretty small potatoes.
    > >
    > >8 million prople out ripping up nature every week cause a significant amount of damage.
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > 270 million buring fossil fuels, laying asphalt, building mega-marts, creating landfill crises w/
    > disposable electronics, and gobbling fast food with packaging from non-renewable sources and you
    > complain of a single activity engaged in by 2% of them or fewer? Not to mention the burgeoning
    > population?
    >
    > PH
    >
    >

    Mikey doesn't like to lose big, so instead he loses small.
    --
    _________________________
    Chris Phillipo - Cape Breton, Nova Scotia http://www.ramsays-online.com
     
  14. Irm

    Irm Guest

    [email protected] (R.White) wrote in message
    news:<[email protected]>...
    > Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:<[email protected]>...
    > > On 31 Mar 2003 05:50:22 -0800, [email protected] (Terri Alvillar) wrote:
    > >
    > > ."P e t e F a g e r l i n" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > news:<[email protected]>... . .> | Pete Fagerlin is the ultimate coward.
    > > He uses a picture of a recent .> | widow (photographed by the Marin Independent Journal)
    > > defending her .> | dead husband's honor to justify mountain bikers' destruction of .> | nature.
    > > .> .> Hey you fat sow, didn't anyone tell you that the Farrah 'do went out over a decade ago? .>
    > > .> I "use" a picture of you because when I read your nattering it helps to put your silliness .>
    > > in context, hag. .> .> | It is not surprising that Fagerlin finds the grief of his .> | enemies
    > > amusing. . . . .Again Fagerlin proves my point. He can't refute my statements about .the damage
    > > mountain biking causes with reason or logic so he resorts .to personal attacks.
    > >
    > > Careful, they thing that telling the truth is "abusing" them. :)
    >
    > It's "think" you damn idiot.

    ahahahahahahaahahah
     
  15. Peterh

    Peterh Guest

    Mike Vandeman wrote:

    >It's nice to see thta you guys all have nothing better to talk about than ME! Keep it up!
    >
    >
    >
    Then it's quite apparent you haven been tracking my/our interest in and replies to some/a few/many
    other threads in some/a few/many other groups.

    Along with being an easy target, you are also a minority target.

    PH

    --
    Reforms come from below; no man with four aces asks for a redeal. anon.
     
  16. > >
    > > Peter *plonk* R.
    >
    >
    > I used to cycle 100-200 miles a week - for about 10 years. Terri Alvillar

    Now you just sit on your fat ass and bitch about mountain bikers. I think it's just Vandespooge in a
    wig. Maybe some kind of Norman Bates thing going on. You are pathetic, as is your frivolous lawsuit
    which is no doubt wasting taxpayer dollars.

    POAD pathetic eco scum... mj
     
  17. On Tue, 01 Apr 2003 10:42:58 GMT, "Mr. E. Mann" <[email protected]> wrote:

    .Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote in .news:[email protected]: . .>
    On Sat, 29 Mar 2003 18:49:28 -0500, PeterH <[email protected]> wrote: .> .> .Mike Vandeman wrote: .>
    . .> .> .> .> .> .Until plants are accorded the status of citizens, the threat you .> refer .to is
    moot. Purely moot. .> .> But highly illegal. Where did you learn to be so irrelevant? Every one .>
    of your posts is a non-sequitur! . .I guess all those people weeding their yards should be thrown in
    jail then? . .> .Pete H .> .>=== .> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
    .> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 .> years fighting auto dependence
    and road construction.) .> .> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande .>

    Did you say something?
    ===
    I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to
    help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

    http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
     
  18. Mr. E. Mann

    Mr. E. Mann Guest

    Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:

    > On Tue, 01 Apr 2003 10:42:58 GMT, "Mr. E. Mann" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > .Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote in .news:[email protected]: .
    > .> On Sat, 29 Mar 2003 18:49:28 -0500, PeterH <[email protected]> wrote: .> .> .Mike Vandeman
    > wrote: .> . .> .> .> .> .> .Until plants are accorded the status of citizens, the threat you .>
    > refer .to is moot. Purely moot. .> .> But highly illegal. Where did you learn to be so irrelevant?
    > Every one .> of your posts is a non-sequitur! . .I guess all those people weeding their yards
    > should be thrown in jail then? . .> .Pete H .> .>=== .> I am working on creating wildlife habitat
    > that is off-limits to .> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 .> years
    > fighting auto dependence and road construction.) .> .> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande .>
    >
    > Did you say something?

    Yes, I did. Maybe you shold get your hearing/vision checked.

    How many fingers am I holding up?

    >===
    > I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to
    > help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
    >
    > http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
     
  19. Spider

    Spider Guest

    "Mr. E. Mann" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:
    >
    > > On Tue, 01 Apr 2003 10:42:58 GMT, "Mr. E. Mann" <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >
    > > .Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote in .news:[email protected]:
    > > . .> On Sat, 29 Mar 2003 18:49:28 -0500, PeterH <[email protected]> wrote: .> .> .Mike Vandeman
    > > wrote: .> . .> .> .> .> .> .Until plants are accorded the status of citizens, the threat you .>
    > > refer .to is moot. Purely moot. .> .> But highly illegal. Where did you learn to be so
    > > irrelevant? Every one .> of your posts is a non-sequitur! . .I guess all those people weeding
    > > their yards should be thrown in jail then? . .> .Pete H .> .>=== .> I am working on creating
    > > wildlife habitat that is off-limits to .> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the
    > > previous 8 .> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) .> .>
    > > http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande .>
    > >
    > > Did you say something?
    >
    > Yes, I did. Maybe you shold get your hearing/vision checked.
    >
    > How many fingers am I holding up?

    From here, it looks like just one. Hey...wait a minute...Are you saying Mike's No. 1? ;)

    Spider
     
  20. Westie

    Westie Guest

    "PeterH" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > Mike Vandeman wrote:
    >
    > >On Mon, 31 Mar 2003 18:17:05 -0500, PeterH <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >
    > > As I've suggested .before, in the face of the documented ills we face and the the planet .faces
    > > because of us, mountain biking is pretty small potatoes.
    > >
    > >8 million prople out ripping up nature every week cause a significant
    amount of
    > >damage.
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > 270 million buring fossil fuels, laying asphalt, building mega-marts, creating landfill crises w/
    > disposable electronics, and gobbling fast food with packaging from non-renewable sources and you
    > complain of a single activity engaged in by 2% of them or fewer? Not to mention the burgeoning
    > population?
    >
    > PH
    >
    > --
    > Reforms come from below; no man with four aces asks for a redeal. anon.
    >

    Nice post. I got this little mental picture like one of those movie zoom shots from a rocket looking
    down. Mr Vandeman and his house and neighbourhood got smaller and smaller as it receded into
    insignificance. Your point does make Vandeman's fight against mountainbiking seem to be a waste of
    resources when he could be using his time and effort more effectively in other areas....
    --
    Westie
     
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