Millar admits EPO Use

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> David Millar [...] admitted to police that he used EPO, according
> to French newspaper l'Equipe.

http://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme/20040625_091924Dev.html
«Millar aurait reconnu avoir utilisé de l'Eprex (erythropoïetine)

Eurosport is jumping the gun, CN too in its headline, but not in the
article with the abundant "allegedly"s. Nothing confirmed yet: "aurait
reconnu" -- would have admitted.

I think I might have translated it as either "may have admitted" or "might
have admitted." Thus, my translation would have been:

The first sentence of the <i>l'Equipe</i article puts it in :no-nonsense:
simple past tense. "David Millar a reconnu s'etre dope, hier...."

Jeff (bad html, moi?)

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David Millar, who was released Thursday after 48 hours of questioning,
admitted to police that he used EPO, according to French newspaper
l'Equipe. According to the newspaper, several empty vials of the
banned drug were found at his home in the French Atlantic resort town
of Biarritz.

Regards!
Stephen

Guess Gaumont was telling the truth, after David called him "a comlete
nutter" and a manipulator. Hope David saved up some of his earnings,
he'll need something to live on during his suspension.

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This is the end of the road for Confidis; surely now they will be thrown out
of the tour?

LeBlanc just gave Millar his hearty "blessing" (Something akin to "hope
you have a good life..."😉.

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Also a sad day for a dear friend of mine, a lady called June, who used to
coach David when he was young. She has utmost faith in him, he gave her his
first yellow Jersey signed to 'Auntie June'.

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Are we heading for another 98 tour? The timings are dreadful for the sport,
and will lead to media scandalisation of the whole sport. If you have some
paint and no brain then head for the route now to start painting those
syringes on the road!

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As for me, well even I am beginning to question Lance Armstrong. This whole
affair will give the LA book even more credibility.

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Simon

Robert Chung said:

Ewoud Dronkert wrote:
I think I might have translated it as either "may have admitted" or "might
have admitted." Thus, my translation would have been:

Ok 'nuff French 101. I think you'll find "Millar allegedly admitted to
taking drugs." will do. What this means is that someone thinks they
heard him admitting and went and phoned l'Equippe.

The potential charges are worse than that, he may be charged with
trafficking as he was supplying his team mates and could/would/might
(insert modal verb to choice) do stir.

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I think I might have translated it as either "may have admitted" or
"might have admitted." Thus, my translation would have been:

The first sentence of the <i>l'Equipe</i article puts it in
:no-nonsense: simple past tense. "David Millar a reconnu s'etre dope,
hier...."

Yeah. In French papers, the future conditional circumlocution thing
probably means something like "allegedly," which is what you had in
cyclingnews.com. In the US, the newspapers would probably have written
something like, "on condition of anonymity, a source close to the
investigation reported that Millar admitted to having used EPO."

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why not "should have admitted"?... is it also possible to have said "will

have

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admitted"?...

Wrong verb.

huh?... right verb... avoir- to have

a stretch on the tenses though to give more silly options on the translation-
any way you cut it he took some epo- they found it at his house man!... coulda
woulda shoulda- DID take some EPO!...

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I predict that Migraine withdraws funding from the team at the end of the
season ... no more Cofidis.

Why do you think they call him Migraine? Actually, I saw a report on French
TV, and it seem that the Cofidis company is doing better than ever, financially.

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Thing is with Millar ... I would have thought that he'd be racing clean this
year for sure (if not in years past) due to l'affaire Cofidis, especially,
as [censored] as he's been doing ....

The Equipe article also wonders why Millar would be leaving empty vials
of EPO when he and his team are under investigation by the French police.
Reminds me of the old propaganda question: "Why do you think they call it dope?"

-ilan

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And IIRC, he never tested positive. This beautiful sport is being destroyed
from within.

funny...
naive little boy aren't you?

On 6/25/04 2:48 AM, in article [email hidden],

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David Millar, who was released Thursday after 48 hours of questioning,
admitted to police that he used EPO, according to French newspaper
l'Equipe. According to the newspaper, several empty vials of the
banned drug were found at his home

What sort of dumbass leaves empty vials laying around for someone to
find?!?!?!? I throw mine out immediately......

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in the French Atlantic resort town of Biarritz.

Regards!
Stephen

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I predict that Migraine withdraws funding from the team at the end of

the

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season ... no more Cofidis.

Why do you think they call him Migraine? Actually, I saw a report on

French

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TV, and it seem that the Cofidis company is doing better than ever,

financially.

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Thing is with Millar ... I would have thought that he'd be racing clean

this

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year for sure (if not in years past) due to l'affaire Cofidis,

especially,

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as [censored] as he's been doing ....

The Equipe article also wonders why Millar would be leaving empty vials
of EPO when he and his team are under investigation by the French police.
Reminds me of the old propaganda question: "Why do you think they call it

dope?"

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-ilan

Prisons are full of such people. In this case consider, Millar went out to
dinner not expecting to not return home and have his apartment searched
while away. One of his managers said they were surprised that he wasn't
questioned months ago. It is not unusual for searches to be timed so as to
lull the suspect into a false sense of security. I'll bet a lot of other
riders junk went down the toilet within the past 24 hours.

I hate to admit you are absolutely right.

We're a pretty divided group here on rbr. So many people have been
giving the majority of the peloton the benefit of doubt. And so many
people think a good chunk of them are just plain dirty.

But over the past 5 years, the peloton itself has been imploding
(albeit slowly). One by one, they drop and get caught. Who'd have
thunk the French could be so aggresive in their quest to bust dopers?

Most of the pro peloton believe they are morally entitled to dope,
since (sic) no one but them understands how difficult professional
cycling is, and how much pressure they are under to deliver results.
Amongst themselves, they say "poor us!" and help each other find the
stuff they need and get the medical advice to go with it.

Team owners look the other way, so long as results are delivered, but
they occaisionally boot the obvious morons who have been foolish in
hiding their tracks. The UCI has convinced the mainstream media that
they are tough anti-dope regulators, so they are off the hook as well.
But we all know that only the morons will pass a UCI dope test.
Actually, the ones who get caught via UCI controls are probably the
odd lot of people with naturally high crit levels.

The only way to solve this thing is to legalize it, (at least
eliminate the UCI penalties), but on the flip side, test them all
season long, randomly, and publish all the results often. We need to
make "racing clean" a matter of peer pressure.

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David Millar, who was released Thursday after 48 hours of questioning,
admitted to police that he used EPO, according to French newspaper
l'Equipe. According to the newspaper, several empty vials of the
banned drug were found at his home in the French Atlantic resort town
of Biarritz.

Regards!
Stephen

And IIRC, he never tested positive. This beautiful sport is being destroyed
from within.

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why not "should have admitted"?... is it also possible to have said "will

have

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admitted"?...

Wrong verb.

huh?... right verb... avoir- to have

a stretch on the tenses though to give more silly options on the translation-
any way you cut it he took some epo- they found it at his house man!... coulda
woulda shoulda- DID take some EPO!...

Yeah, here's an update. It doesn't look good.

Mike

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http://sport.france2.fr/cyclisme/2980874-fr.php

David Millar a avoué l'usage d'EPO

Le leader de l'équipe Cofidis, David Millar - AFP - Meyer
Pendant sa garde à vue, le coureur écossais de Cofidis a reconnu avoir pris de l'EPO, a révélé
L'Equipe vendredi.

Une source proche du dossier a confirmé ces aveux. Placé en garde à vue à Biarritz entre mardi soir
et jeudi, Millar été entendu par des policiers parisiens mandatés par le juge Pallain, chargé du
dossier Cofidis. La direction du Tour de France n'acceptera aucun joueur impliqué dans une procédure
judiciaire ou mis en cause pour dopage.

Des policiers parisiens avaient interpellé David Millar mardi soir, dans un restaurant de Biarritz,
sur commission rogatoire du juge de Nanterre Richard Pallain. Le champion du monde du
contre-la-montre avait été dénoncé par son ex-coéquipier Philippe Gaumont comme utilisant des
produits dopants. Durant la garde à vue du champion, la police a mené une perquisition à son
domicile de Biarritz. Elle a retrouvé à cette occasion deux ampoules vides d'Eprex
(érythropoïétine/EPO), a confirmé une source proche du dossier Cofidis citée par l'AFP.

L'équipe Cofidis, réagissant à l'annonce de ces aveux, a indiqué vendredi qu'elle allait convoquer
le coureur "pour qu'il s'explique sur ses déclarations".

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I think I might have translated it as either "may have admitted" or
"might have admitted." Thus, my translation would have been:

The first sentence of the <i>l'Equipe</i article puts it in
:no-nonsense: simple past tense. "David Millar a reconnu s'etre dope,
hier...."

Yeah. In French papers, the future conditional circumlocution thing
probably means something like "allegedly," which is what you had in
cyclingnews.com. In the US, the newspapers would probably have written
something like, "on condition of anonymity, a source close to the
investigation reported that Millar admitted to having used EPO."

Translating, idiom for idiom, to get the meaning, use : " ... is said to
have ... " a typical journalism dodge, similar to "allegedly".
Direct babel-ing is like babbling.
--
Bonne route,

Sandy
Paris FR

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David Millar, who was released Thursday after 48 hours of questioning,
admitted to police that he used EPO, according to French newspaper
l'Equipe. According to the newspaper, several empty vials of the
banned drug were found at his home in the French Atlantic resort town
of Biarritz.

Regards!
Stephen

And IIRC, he never tested positive. This beautiful sport is being

destroyed

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from within.

All I can say is they must have some BRUTAL intterogation tactics over there
for all these guys to cop to using without ever testing positive.

Dave

kaiser said:

I hate to admit you are absolutely right.

We're a pretty divided group here on rbr. So many people have been
giving the majority of the peloton the benefit of doubt. And so many
people think a good chunk of them are just plain dirty.

And many more of us simply don't care. The racing's still good.

kaiser said:

Team owners look the other way, so long as results are delivered, but
they occaisionally boot the obvious morons who have been foolish in
hiding their tracks.

Exactly. Mark French should have disposed of his own sharps bottle.

Michael said:

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http://sport.france2.fr/cyclisme/2980874-fr.php

David Millar a avoué l'usage d'EPO

Le leader de l'équipe Cofidis, David Millar - AFP - Meyer
Pendant sa garde à vue, le coureur écossais de Cofidis a reconnu
avoir pris de l'EPO, a révélé L'Equipe vendredi.

Une source proche du dossier a confirmé ces aveux. Placé en garde à
vue à Biarritz entre mardi soir et jeudi, Millar été entendu par des
policiers parisiens mandatés par le juge Pallain, chargé du dossier
Cofidis. La direction du Tour de France n'acceptera aucun joueur
impliqué dans une procédure judiciaire ou mis en cause pour dopage.

Des policiers parisiens avaient interpellé David Millar mardi soir,
dans un restaurant de Biarritz, sur commission rogatoire du juge de
Nanterre Richard Pallain. Le champion du monde du contre-la-montre
avait été dénoncé par son ex-coéquipier Philippe Gaumont comme
utilisant des produits dopants. Durant la garde à vue du champion, la
police a mené une perquisition à son domicile de Biarritz. Elle a
retrouvé à cette occasion deux ampoules vides d'Eprex
(érythropoïétine/EPO), a confirmé une source proche du dossier
Cofidis citée par l'AFP.

L'équipe Cofidis, réagissant à l'annonce de ces aveux, a indiqué
vendredi qu'elle allait convoquer le coureur "pour qu'il s'explique
sur ses déclarations".

See what you started, Lafferty? Babelfish should start charging.

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kaiser said:

I hate to admit you are absolutely right.

We're a pretty divided group here on rbr. So many people have been
giving the majority of the peloton the benefit of doubt. And so many
people think a good chunk of them are just plain dirty.

And many more of us simply don't care. The racing's still good.

I could be better (more interesting) without drugs and radios.

Michael said:

Le champion du monde du
contre-la-montre avait été dénoncé par son ex-coéquipier Philippe Gaumont comme utilisant des
produits dopants.

so much for not cracher dans la soupe...

if I was l'Equippe journalist I would have run the headline

"Gaumont fait son cinéma"

Dave H said:

All I can say is they must have some BRUTAL intterogation tactics over there
for all these guys to cop to using without ever testing positive.

ahh meester meellar, nous avons les moyens de vous faire parler, ahhh
des jolis dents, mais what 'af we 'ere une petite carie, tsk tsk tsk, ca
fait mal?

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David Millar, who was released Thursday after 48 hours of questioning,
admitted to police that he used EPO, according to French newspaper
l'Equipe. According to the newspaper, several empty vials of the
banned drug were found at his home in the French Atlantic resort town

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of Biarritz.

Regards!
Stephen

Guess Gaumont was telling the truth, after David called him "a comlete
nutter" and a manipulator. Hope David saved up some of his earnings,
he'll need something to live on during his suspension.

This is the end of the road for Confidis; surely now they will be thrown out
of the tour?

Also a sad day for a dear friend of mine, a lady called June, who used to
coach David when he was young. She has utmost faith in him, he gave her his
first yellow Jersey signed to 'Auntie June'.

Are we heading for another 98 tour? The timings are dreadful for the sport,
and will lead to media scandalisation of the whole sport. If you have some
paint and no brain then head for the route now to start painting those
syringes on the road!

As for me, well even I am beginning to question Lance Armstrong. This whole
affair will give the LA book even more credibility.

Simon

I couldn't say with any conviction whether I believe Lance was clean
before his bout with cancer, but as a fellow survivor I'd be pretty
shocked if he put anything into his body after and experience like
that. Anyone who hasn't walked those same miles has zero credibility
in my book. Maybe those who doubt him during his tour reign need a
chemo treatment or a few weeks of radiation therapy to shead some
light. You escape with your life and you become pretty particular
about what you put into your body afterwards. Since I've been the
treatment and survivor route I can only faintly remember how reckless
and invincible I felt before. The saddest part of reading "It's Not
About The Bike" is knowing where he's going as he describes for the
first visit with a doctor.

David has always struck me as the young 'Master of the World' type,
particularly after that row and sacking of a team manager last year,
after the chain dropped. I rather suspected the equipment was really
David's choice, but after he blew his top and spouted all those things
about crappy parts and riders not getting full support and the
subsequent sacking of the manager, he seemed to reverse himself, as if
not realizing until it was too late that he just cost an innocent man
his job, perhaps wrongly.