Millar admits EPO Use

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I predict that Migraine withdraws funding from the team at
the end of the season ... no more Cofidis.

Why do you think they call him Migraine? Actually, I saw a
report on French TV, and it seem that the Cofidis company is
doing better than ever, financially.

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Thing is with Millar ... I would have thought that he'd be
racing clean this year for sure (if not in years past) due
to l'affaire Cofidis, especially, as [censored] as he's been
doing ....

The Equipe article also wonders why Millar would be leaving
empty vials of EPO when he and his team are under
investigation by the French police. Reminds me of the old
propaganda question: "Why do you think they call it dope?"

-ilan

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And IIRC, he never tested positive. This beautiful sport
is being destroyed from within.

funny... naive little boy aren't you?

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David Millar, who was released Thursday after 48 hours of
questioning, admitted to police that he used EPO,
according to French newspaper l'Equipe. According to the
newspaper, several empty vials of the banned drug were
found at his home

What sort of dumbass leaves empty vials laying around for
someone to find?!?!?!? I throw mine out immediately......

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in the French Atlantic resort town of Biarritz.

Regards! Stephen

I hate to admit you are absolutely right.

We're a pretty divided group here on rbr. So many people
have been giving the majority of the peloton the benefit of
doubt. And so many people think a good chunk of them are
just plain dirty.

But over the past 5 years, the peloton itself has been
imploding (albeit slowly). One by one, they drop and get
caught. Who'd have thunk the French could be so aggresive in
their quest to bust dopers?

Most of the pro peloton believe they are morally entitled to
dope, since (sic) no one but them understands how difficult
professional cycling is, and how much pressure they are
under to deliver results. Amongst themselves, they say "poor
us!" and help each other find the stuff they need and get
the medical advice to go with it.

Team owners look the other way, so long as results are
delivered, but they occaisionally boot the obvious
morons who have been foolish in hiding their tracks. The
UCI has convinced the mainstream media that they are
tough anti-dope regulators, so they are off the hook as
well. But we all know that only the morons will pass a
UCI dope test. Actually, the ones who get caught via UCI
controls are probably the odd lot of people with
naturally high crit levels.

The only way to solve this thing is to legalize it, (at
least eliminate the UCI penalties), but on the flip side,
test them all season long, randomly, and publish all the
results often. We need to make "racing clean" a matter of
peer pressure.

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David Millar, who was released Thursday after 48 hours
of questioning, admitted to police that he used EPO,
according to French newspaper l'Equipe. According to the
newspaper, several empty vials of the banned drug were
found at his home in the French Atlantic resort town of
Biarritz.

Regards! Stephen

And IIRC, he never tested positive. This beautiful sport
is being destroyed from within.

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I predict that Migraine withdraws funding from the team
at the end of

the

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season ... no more Cofidis.

Why do you think they call him Migraine? Actually, I saw a
report on

French

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TV, and it seem that the Cofidis company is doing better
than ever,

financially.

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Thing is with Millar ... I would have thought that he'd
be racing clean

this

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year for sure (if not in years past) due to l'affaire
Cofidis,

especially,

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as [censored] as he's been doing ....

The Equipe article also wonders why Millar would be
leaving empty vials of EPO when he and his team are under
investigation by the French police. Reminds me of the old
propaganda question: "Why do you think they call it

dope?"

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-ilan

Prisons are full of such people. In this case consider,
Millar went out to dinner not expecting to not return home
and have his apartment searched while away. One of his
managers said they were surprised that he wasn't questioned
months ago. It is not unusual for searches to be timed so as
to lull the suspect into a false sense of security. I'll bet
a lot of other riders junk went down the toilet within the
past 24 hours.

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Jeff Jones said:

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I think I might have translated it as either "may have
admitted" or "might have admitted." Thus, my
translation would have been:

The first sentence of the <i>l'Equipe</i article puts it
in :no-nonsense: simple past tense. "David Millar a
reconnu s'etre dope, hier...."

Yeah. In French papers, the future conditional
circumlocution thing probably means something like
"allegedly," which is what you had in cyclingnews.com. In
the US, the newspapers would probably have written
something like, "on condition of anonymity, a source close
to the investigation reported that Millar admitted to
having used EPO."

Translating, idiom for idiom, to get the meaning, use : "
... is said to have ... " a typical journalism dodge,
similar to "allegedly". Direct babel-ing is like babbling.
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David Millar, who was released Thursday after 48 hours
of questioning, admitted to police that he used EPO,
according to French newspaper l'Equipe. According to the
newspaper, several empty vials of the banned drug were
found at his home in the French Atlantic resort town of
Biarritz.

Regards! Stephen

And IIRC, he never tested positive. This beautiful sport
is being

destroyed

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from within.

All I can say is they must have some BRUTAL intterogation
tactics over there for all these guys to cop to using
without ever testing positive.

Dave

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I hate to admit you are absolutely right.

We're a pretty divided group here on rbr. So many people
have been giving the majority of the peloton the benefit
of doubt. And so many people think a good chunk of them
are just plain dirty.

And many more of us simply don't care. The racing's
still good.

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Team owners look the other way, so long as results are
delivered, but they occaisionally boot the obvious morons
who have been foolish in hiding their tracks.

Exactly. Mark French should have disposed of his own
sharps bottle.

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kaiser said:

I hate to admit you are absolutely right.

We're a pretty divided group here on rbr. So many people
have been giving the majority of the peloton the benefit
of doubt. And so many people think a good chunk of them
are just plain dirty.

And many more of us simply don't care. The racing's
still good.

I could be better (more interesting) without drugs and
radios.

Dave H said:

All I can say is they must have some BRUTAL intterogation
tactics over there for all these guys to cop to using
without ever testing positive.

ahh meester meellar, nous avons les moyens de vous faire
parler, ahhh des jolis dents, mais what 'af we 'ere une
petite carie, tsk tsk tsk, ca fait mal?

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David Millar, who was released Thursday after 48 hours
of questioning, admitted to police that he used EPO,
according to French newspaper l'Equipe. According to
the newspaper, several empty vials of the banned drug
were found at his home in the French Atlantic resort
town

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of Biarritz.

Regards! Stephen

Guess Gaumont was telling the truth, after David called
him "a comlete nutter" and a manipulator. Hope David
saved up some of his earnings, he'll need something to
live on during his suspension.

This is the end of the road for Confidis; surely now they
will be thrown out of the tour?

Also a sad day for a dear friend of mine, a lady called
June, who used to coach David when he was young. She has
utmost faith in him, he gave her his first yellow Jersey
signed to 'Auntie June'.

Are we heading for another 98 tour? The timings are
dreadful for the sport, and will lead to media
scandalisation of the whole sport. If you have some paint
and no brain then head for the route now to start painting
those syringes on the road!

As for me, well even I am beginning to question Lance
Armstrong. This whole affair will give the LA book even
more credibility.

Simon

I couldn't say with any conviction whether I believe Lance
was clean before his bout with cancer, but as a fellow
survivor I'd be pretty shocked if he put anything into his
body after and experience like that. Anyone who hasn't
walked those same miles has zero credibility in my book.
Maybe those who doubt him during his tour reign need a chemo
treatment or a few weeks of radiation therapy to shead some
light. You escape with your life and you become pretty
particular about what you put into your body afterwards.
Since I've been the treatment and survivor route I can only
faintly remember how reckless and invincible I felt before.
The saddest part of reading "It's Not About The Bike" is
knowing where he's going as he describes for the first visit
with a doctor.

David has always struck me as the young 'Master of the
World' type, particularly after that row and sacking of a
team manager last year, after the chain dropped. I rather
suspected the equipment was really David's choice, but after
he blew his top and spouted all those things about crappy
parts and riders not getting full support and the subsequent
sacking of the manager, he seemed to reverse himself, as if
not realizing until it was too late that he just cost an
innocent man his job, perhaps wrongly.

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This is the last thing the sport needs now!Just days
before the TDF as well!Now cofidis is going to be a
headless chicken in the race, unless the tour officials
stop them from riding.Have to agree that I think this is
the end for Cofidis.Millar has a lot to answer for!This
wasnt some domestique but a world champion!

Sassone was also a Cofidis world champion.

-ilan

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I couldn't say with any conviction whether I believe

Lance was clean

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before his bout with cancer, but as a fellow survivor I'd
be pretty shocked if he put anything into his body after
and experience like that. Anyone who hasn't walked those
same miles has zero credibility in my book. Maybe those
who doubt him during his tour reign need a chemo treatment
or a few weeks of radiation therapy to shead some light.
You escape with your life and you become pretty particular
about what you put into your body afterwards. Since I've
been the treatment and survivor route I can only faintly
remember how reckless and invincible I felt before. The
saddest part of reading "It's Not About The Bike" is
knowing where he's going as he describes for the first
visit with a doctor.

Your logic is non-existent.

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David has always struck me as the young 'Master of the
World' type, particularly after that row and sacking of a
team manager last year, after the chain dropped. I rather
suspected the equipment was really David's choice, but
after he blew his top and spouted all those things about
crappy parts and riders not getting full support and the
subsequent sacking of the manager, he seemed to reverse
himself, as if not realizing until it was too late that he
just cost an innocent man his job, perhaps wrongly.

Your application for a residency in psychiatry has gone un-
matched. However, there is an openeing for you in podiatric
dermatology.

B. Lafferty said:

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I couldn't say with any conviction whether I believe

Lance was clean

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before his bout with cancer, but as a fellow survivor I'd
be pretty shocked if he put anything into his body after
and experience like that. Anyone who hasn't walked those
same miles has zero credibility in my book. Maybe those
who doubt him during his tour reign need a chemo treatment
or a few weeks of radiation therapy to shead some light.
You escape with your life and you become pretty particular
about what you put into your body afterwards. Since I've
been the treatment and survivor route I can only faintly
remember how reckless and invincible I felt before. The
saddest part of reading "It's Not About The Bike" is
knowing where he's going as he describes for the first
visit with a doctor.

Your logic is non-existent.

Coming from you that is indeed high praise. Thank you.

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David has always struck me as the young 'Master of the
World' type, particularly after that row and sacking of a
team manager last year, after the chain dropped. I rather
suspected the equipment was really David's choice, but
after he blew his top and spouted all those things about
crappy parts and riders not getting full support and the
subsequent sacking of the manager, he seemed to reverse
himself, as if not realizing until it was too late that he
just cost an innocent man his job, perhaps wrongly.

Your application for a residency in psychiatry has gone
un-matched. However, there is an openeing for you in
podiatric dermatology.

I am unworthy! I am unworthy!

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I could be better (more interesting) without drugs
and radios.

That's debateable.

"Dave H" wrote...

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All I can say is they must have some BRUTAL intterogation
tactics over

there

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for all these guys to cop to using without ever testing
positive.

After 48 (presumably virtually straight) hours of
questioning...?

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Team owners look the other way, so long as results are
delivered, but they occaisionally boot the obvious
morons who have been foolish in hiding their tracks. The
UCI has convinced the mainstream media that they are
tough anti-dope regulators, so they are off the hook as
well. But we all know that only the morons will pass a
UCI dope test. Actually, the ones who get caught via UCI
controls are probably the odd lot of people with
naturally high crit levels.

The only way to solve this thing is to legalize it, (at
least eliminate the UCI penalties), but on the flip side,
test them all season long, randomly, and publish all the
results often. We need to make "racing clean" a matter of
peer pressure.

Millar had never tested positive. Would you want them
to be tested every day? How expensive do you think that
would get?

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David Millar, who was released Thursday after 48 hours
of questioning, admitted to police that he used EPO,
according to French newspaper l'Equipe. According to
the newspaper, several empty vials of the banned drug
were found at his home in the French Atlantic resort
town of Biarritz.

Regards! Stephen

And IIRC, he never tested positive. This beautiful sport
is being

destroyed

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from within.

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kaiser said:

I hate to admit you are absolutely right.

We're a pretty divided group here on rbr. So many
people have been giving the majority of the peloton
the benefit of doubt. And so many people think a good
chunk of them are just plain dirty.

And many more of us simply don't care. The racing's
still good.

I could be better (more interesting) without drugs
and radios.

Hmm, that sounds like something Limbaugh would say...

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David Millar, who was released Thursday after 48 hours
of questioning, admitted to police that he used EPO,
according to French newspaper l'Equipe. According to the
newspaper, several empty vials of the banned drug were
found at his home in the French Atlantic resort town of
Biarritz.

Regards! Stephen

Guess Gaumont was telling the truth, after David called
him "a comlete nutter" and a manipulator. Hope David saved
up some of his earnings, he'll need something to live on
during his suspension.

Well, if all this is indeed true (the Millar/EPO
charges), then it certainly puts his recent refusal to be
interviewed by Paul Kimmage in a somewhat different
light. I also wonder if the UCI will ask him to surrender
his World Championship title (like Jerome Chiotti
voluntarily did after admitting EPO use after winning the
'96 Mtb cross country title). I will be super surprised
to see Cofidis continue as sponsor after this (even if
they are making more money now than before). I'm still a
little surprised that Millar wasn't smart enough to hide
his works somewhere else, after all the trouble the team
had earlier this year due to Gaumont. How do you say
"dumbass" in French?

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