More Motorola/Postal members admit doping

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  1. Bro Deal

    Bro Deal New Member

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    Frankie Andreu and another anonymous teammate have admitted doping to the New York Times. Andreu also confirms most of what Swart has said about Motorola doping for the 1995 TdF.

    http://tinyurl.com/f8475

    I guess at this point it would be a suprise to find an Armstrong teammate who was not doping.
     
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  2. tcklyde

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    It's a good article. What a classy guy Armstrong is: he will absolutely throw you to the curb if you attempt to tell the truth about doping the peloton. He treats his former friend and teammate like an enemy.

    This part, from the end of the article, really summed up the state of cycling:

     
  3. tcklyde

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    You gotta think the anonymous person must be Vaughters...
     
  4. Bro Deal

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    Probably so as it mentions that he person is still involved with cycling. I have heard that riders such as Marty Jemison and Kevin Livingston are not too coy about talking about what was going on.

    It would be nice if more retired riders came forward.
     
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    Thanks for the link. I thought the interview/story was a little scant on details. I wouldn't be surprised if Frankie is saving those for a nice book deal.
     
  6. waxbytes

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    Perhaps, but I thought Vaughters had a high natural hemocrit level and actually had an exception to the 50% rule? If so, it's hard to see how blood doping could have been much use to Vaughters.
     
  7. bobke

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    The other rider stated he would not come out and reveal who he is to preserve his job in cycling.
    Hamilton? no
    Livingston? no
    Vaughters? set the record on Ventoux that year
    Jean Cyrin Robin?
    was on 99 team
    I think it would be Vaughters.

    Nothing new here.
    How nice of Frankie and his wife to hang Lance out to dry in hours and hours of depositions--and he was the one doping. Interesting I think Frankie denied under oath ever having doped himself, cant recall for sure.

    So if you had doped as a professional rider for years, why would you go out of your way to testify about a teammate who you really dont know if he doped or not? WHy would you get caught up in a cops and robbers insanity that Frankie did? What a desperate guy and a tool.
    I feel bad for him. He doped just to have a job.
    But now his wife is still out in the press blaming Lance for Frankie doping, literally. Nice touch Mrs Andreu.

    Read velonews.
     
  8. helmutRoole2

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    Not to be crass, but can you entertain the possibility that Armstrong was doped?
     
  9. whiteboytrash

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    Maybe Armstrong was the rider who took EPO and didn't want to be named ? :p

     
  10. bobke

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    NOW THAT IS FUNNY.
    DUDE YOU ARE FUNNY.
    I take it all back about your sister and mother.

    Folks, the fact theat LA probably doped is not even up for question.
    Who cares. Its obvious isnt it. What are you guys waiting for, a Supreme Court Decision.

    I think its weird how Besty Andreu keeps blaming Lance for Frankie doping, the attacks on 9/11, the recent lunar eclipse and the price of potato chips in Malaysia. Somebody get her some medicine!!!!
     
  11. whiteboytrash

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    You never know ! The fact that he can't keep writing books about winning the Tour, he could write confessionals about his lurid druggy traumas and using hotel bar fridges in strange ways to store gear....


     
  12. helmutRoole2

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    I hear you, but if he did dope, that means every cycling fan had to endure seven years of crappy TdF routs. Add to that his willingness to lie about it or play bait-and-switch for all this time... it's all very Bushwellian to me. I find it disturbing. In fact, if it's true, I'm fucking pissed. I for one won't be, "He cheated and got away with it. Oh well."

    But, it sounds like the guy has formed some very loving relationships with his teammates over the years. I'm sure a lot of people with no financial interest will be willing to stand behind him because he's such a givng, caring person.
     
  13. bobke

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    I take it all back about WBT.
    HelmetDrool, YOU ARE FUNNY.
    I take it all back about the gerbils and hamsters.
    YOU ARE ONE FUNNY DUDE.

    giving, caring person, loving relationships!!!!!!!!!!!
    hardy har har.
    helmut is one funny dude!!!!!!!
    leys give it up ya for HELMUT Y'ALL!!!!!!!!!!
     
  14. helmutRoole2

    helmutRoole2 New Member

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    I'm sorry. I've insulted your hero. You must defend his good name. I understand that now. I'll leave you to your jar of vasiline, your yellow dildo collection and seven sticky TdF DVDs.

    You're right.

    I am funny.
     
  15. wineandkeyz

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    WTF?!? Now Andreu is backpedaling? (No pun intended.) Or was he misquoted in the NYT? (No surprise if he was...)

    The Times claimed that Andreu admitted to taking EPO in prep for the 1999 Tour. But in Andreu's statement released today (http://www.velonews.com/news/fea/10853.0.html), he says:

    EPO was banned before 1999, right?
     
  16. tcklyde

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    Robin wasn't on the 1999 Tour Team, he ws on La Française des Jeux.
     
  17. wolfix

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    Anyone that is shocked to hear or disgusted with a rider because he doped has to ask himself why he is a fan. 1st of all, Euro procycling has had dope as a main ingrediant before any of us was even born. Everyone claims they want a clean TDF. That is silly. How would anyone know they want a clean TDF when there never has been one. What attracted you to the sport was watching doped riders push themselves to the edge year after year.
    The doping practices of the TDF riders is well documented, more is known about that then the equipment champions ride on.
     
  18. JohnO

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    Personally, I find Frankie to be a bit of a hypocrite. He comes 'clean', only when he can't make money off of cycling any more, and only when he can make money on a doping book, which is sure to follow. Much as one would like to think that he's doing it for the 'good of the sport', he appears to be doing it for largely financial reasons, and possibly a bit of crushed ego as well. If it were for the good of the sport, he'd have spoken up a long time ago.

    The real shame is that the true villans in this mess are not the riders, it is the organizations on top that have left enough loopholes to allow juicing, looked the other way, paid lip service and precious little else to the doping issue. As long as the money kept rolling in, anything goes. They held out a multimillion dollar/euro payday in front of a lot of hard working people if only you bend the rules a bit, well what do you think would happen?

    And those organizations still protect themselves. They have all of you demonizing the riders as evil people. How many of you would turn down retiring at age 30 with twenty mil in the bank, all for the sake of an ideal that no one else holds to? You want to be outraged - be outraged at the organizations who created these conditions, profited from them, all while letting the riders take the health risks and the blame. The UCI and WADA - they're getting off easy. And let's not forget the footballers - their involvment with Fuentes has been kept more secret than nuclear launch codes. Wouldn't do to disturb the World Cup.

    It's all part of the show, folks. We make the money, and the riders take all of the risks, and catch all of the blame from the 'outraged' fans. Works out very nicely, don't you think?
     
  19. helmutRoole2

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    Best post I've seen on this topic.
     
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    Lance probably sent some goons over to his house to help him with his memory...
     
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