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Mike Vandeman
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On 19 Apr 2007 14:56:04 GMT, Chris <[email protected]> wrote:
>Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote in
>news:[email protected]:
>
>> On 19 Apr 2007 12:10:29 GMT, Chris <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote in
>>>news:[email protected]:
>>>
>>>> On 18 Apr 2007 14:34:52 GMT, Chris <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote in
>>>>>news:[email protected]:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 17 Apr 2007 22:10:20 -0700, [email protected] (Bill Z.)
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> writes:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Check out Dr. George Carlo's site www.safewireless.org/ You
>>>>>>>> can read his report to the CEO of AT&T and view a clip from
>>>>>>>> "Cell-Phone Wars", a recent doc on mobile phones.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You can find a bio of this dude at
>>>>>>><http://www.tapsns.com/gallery.php?mode=profile&galleryid=3202>.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>It isn't clear what expertise he has regarding the interaction
>>>>>>>of electromagnetic radiation with matter, particularly when the
>>>>>>>frequency is too low
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cell phone frequency is "low"? What planet are you from? If cell
>>>>>> phone radiation didn't interact with matter, they wouldn't work!
>>>>>> DUH!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> to cause ionization and when the power level
>>>>>>>is so low that heating is negligible.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>My guess is that Vanderman is beating the bushes and if you do
>>>>>>>that long enough, you can find someone who will say anything.
>>>>>
>>>>>Mike,
>>>>>
>>>>>1) What frequency and power levels do cell phone use today??
>>>>
>>>> "Cell Phone - A wireless telephone that sends and receives messages
>>>> using radiofrequency energy in the 800-900 megahertz portion of the
>>>> radiofrequency (RF) spectrum."
>>>>
>>>> What's "low" about that? It's a microwave frequency, like a
>>>> microwave oven: "[a microwave oven] operates at a frequency of
>>>> either 915 or 2450 millioncycles per second":
>>>>
>>>> "Microwaves - A subset of radio waves that have frequencies ranging
>>>> from around 300 million waves per second (300 MHz) to three billion
>>>> waves per second (3 GHz)."
>>>>
>>>> So it "cooks" your brain slowly, which is why it has been shown to
>>>> cause tumors on the auditory nerve..
>>>
>>>You have no idea what you are talking about do you?
>>>
>>>
>>>I wail make this as simple as I can for you.
>>>
>>>300MHz to 3GHz is in the RF spectrum (longer wavelengths) and in
>>>entire spectrum is relitily low frequency
>>>see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_frequency
>>>
>>>Much higher frequencies (lower wave lengths) that are all around you
>>>all the time, like visible light for example
>>>see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visible_spectrum
>>>
>>>What 'cooks' food in a microwave oven is a particular frequency (wave
>>>length) that 'excites' water/fat at 2.45 GHz.
>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave_oven
>>
>> "[a microwave oven] operates at a frequency of either 915 or
>> 2450 millioncycles per second"
>>
>> In other words, 915 Mhz is also capable of cooking you, and cell phone
>> frequencies are very close to that. Of course, nothing in this message
>> proves that they are safe, which they are NOT. DUH!
>
>Cell phone AVOID the 915 MHz freq also. The closest cell freq is 14 Mhz
>away.
That is pretty close! You can't guarantee that cell phones aren't
harmful.
>I believe I am having a discussion with an idiot.
>
>'Close' is not good enough, very specific frequencies are needed to
>'excite' water (i.e. your brain)
The brain is more than water! DUH!
>The very lower power emitted from cell phone is 125 mWatts has not be
>shown to be unsafe to humans.
You are LYING. It has been shown to cause tumors.
>Low power Microwave ovens , type that is used in a home, areare 1000
>Watts, or about 8000 times more powerful.
So what? The cell phone is usually placed right next to the temple,
where it can do the MAXIMUM damage. Russian roulette comes to mind.
>Please do not try to link Microwave ovens and cell phones.
>
>I do not feel constant cell phone use is safe myself, especially for the
>young. Any type of microwave energy (800, 900 MHz 2.4 Ghz) at the
>lowest engeries (125mW) at 2 - 3 cm from your brain cant be healthy. I
>dont own one.
>
>But.... Cell phones DO NOT COOK YOUR BRAIN. May cause cancer.
I don't think you know what you are talking about. There is no
evidence of cancer. But there IS evidence of tumors. Do your homework,
before opening your mouth.
>>>You will notice that frequencies that cell phone use AVOIDS that
>>>particular frequency that microwave ovens do
>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellular_frequencies
>>>
>>>That is done for 2 reasons:
>>> 1) Cell phone companies are tring to avoid 'cooking' thier
>>> customers 2) Microwave ovens would interfere with cell operation
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>2) What is ionizing radiation and how is it created?
>>>>>
>>>>>3) Please relate items 1) and 2) above
>>>>
>>>> What for? A microwave oven can kill you, regardless of whether it
>>>> uses ionizing radiation or not. What you're saying, in other words,
>>>> is that it's okay to cook your brain, as long as it's done slowly.
>>>>
>>>>>Please stick to subjects you have a glimmer of knowledge about.
>>>>>
>>>>>DUH back at you
>>>>>
>>>>>> ===
>>>>>> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>>>>>> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>>>>>> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that
>>>>>> you are fond of!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>>>>>>
>>>> ===
>>>> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>>>> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>>>> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>>>>
>>>> Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you
>>>> are fond of!
>>>>
>>>> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>> ===
>> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>>
>> Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you
>> are fond of!
>>
>> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!
http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote in
>news:[email protected]:
>
>> On 19 Apr 2007 12:10:29 GMT, Chris <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote in
>>>news:[email protected]:
>>>
>>>> On 18 Apr 2007 14:34:52 GMT, Chris <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote in
>>>>>news:[email protected]:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 17 Apr 2007 22:10:20 -0700, [email protected] (Bill Z.)
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> writes:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Check out Dr. George Carlo's site www.safewireless.org/ You
>>>>>>>> can read his report to the CEO of AT&T and view a clip from
>>>>>>>> "Cell-Phone Wars", a recent doc on mobile phones.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You can find a bio of this dude at
>>>>>>><http://www.tapsns.com/gallery.php?mode=profile&galleryid=3202>.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>It isn't clear what expertise he has regarding the interaction
>>>>>>>of electromagnetic radiation with matter, particularly when the
>>>>>>>frequency is too low
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cell phone frequency is "low"? What planet are you from? If cell
>>>>>> phone radiation didn't interact with matter, they wouldn't work!
>>>>>> DUH!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> to cause ionization and when the power level
>>>>>>>is so low that heating is negligible.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>My guess is that Vanderman is beating the bushes and if you do
>>>>>>>that long enough, you can find someone who will say anything.
>>>>>
>>>>>Mike,
>>>>>
>>>>>1) What frequency and power levels do cell phone use today??
>>>>
>>>> "Cell Phone - A wireless telephone that sends and receives messages
>>>> using radiofrequency energy in the 800-900 megahertz portion of the
>>>> radiofrequency (RF) spectrum."
>>>>
>>>> What's "low" about that? It's a microwave frequency, like a
>>>> microwave oven: "[a microwave oven] operates at a frequency of
>>>> either 915 or 2450 millioncycles per second":
>>>>
>>>> "Microwaves - A subset of radio waves that have frequencies ranging
>>>> from around 300 million waves per second (300 MHz) to three billion
>>>> waves per second (3 GHz)."
>>>>
>>>> So it "cooks" your brain slowly, which is why it has been shown to
>>>> cause tumors on the auditory nerve..
>>>
>>>You have no idea what you are talking about do you?
>>>
>>>
>>>I wail make this as simple as I can for you.
>>>
>>>300MHz to 3GHz is in the RF spectrum (longer wavelengths) and in
>>>entire spectrum is relitily low frequency
>>>see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_frequency
>>>
>>>Much higher frequencies (lower wave lengths) that are all around you
>>>all the time, like visible light for example
>>>see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visible_spectrum
>>>
>>>What 'cooks' food in a microwave oven is a particular frequency (wave
>>>length) that 'excites' water/fat at 2.45 GHz.
>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave_oven
>>
>> "[a microwave oven] operates at a frequency of either 915 or
>> 2450 millioncycles per second"
>>
>> In other words, 915 Mhz is also capable of cooking you, and cell phone
>> frequencies are very close to that. Of course, nothing in this message
>> proves that they are safe, which they are NOT. DUH!
>
>Cell phone AVOID the 915 MHz freq also. The closest cell freq is 14 Mhz
>away.
That is pretty close! You can't guarantee that cell phones aren't
harmful.
>I believe I am having a discussion with an idiot.
>
>'Close' is not good enough, very specific frequencies are needed to
>'excite' water (i.e. your brain)
The brain is more than water! DUH!
>The very lower power emitted from cell phone is 125 mWatts has not be
>shown to be unsafe to humans.
You are LYING. It has been shown to cause tumors.
>Low power Microwave ovens , type that is used in a home, areare 1000
>Watts, or about 8000 times more powerful.
So what? The cell phone is usually placed right next to the temple,
where it can do the MAXIMUM damage. Russian roulette comes to mind.
>Please do not try to link Microwave ovens and cell phones.
>
>I do not feel constant cell phone use is safe myself, especially for the
>young. Any type of microwave energy (800, 900 MHz 2.4 Ghz) at the
>lowest engeries (125mW) at 2 - 3 cm from your brain cant be healthy. I
>dont own one.
>
>But.... Cell phones DO NOT COOK YOUR BRAIN. May cause cancer.
I don't think you know what you are talking about. There is no
evidence of cancer. But there IS evidence of tumors. Do your homework,
before opening your mouth.
>>>You will notice that frequencies that cell phone use AVOIDS that
>>>particular frequency that microwave ovens do
>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellular_frequencies
>>>
>>>That is done for 2 reasons:
>>> 1) Cell phone companies are tring to avoid 'cooking' thier
>>> customers 2) Microwave ovens would interfere with cell operation
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>2) What is ionizing radiation and how is it created?
>>>>>
>>>>>3) Please relate items 1) and 2) above
>>>>
>>>> What for? A microwave oven can kill you, regardless of whether it
>>>> uses ionizing radiation or not. What you're saying, in other words,
>>>> is that it's okay to cook your brain, as long as it's done slowly.
>>>>
>>>>>Please stick to subjects you have a glimmer of knowledge about.
>>>>>
>>>>>DUH back at you
>>>>>
>>>>>> ===
>>>>>> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>>>>>> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>>>>>> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that
>>>>>> you are fond of!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>>>>>>
>>>> ===
>>>> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>>>> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>>>> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>>>>
>>>> Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you
>>>> are fond of!
>>>>
>>>> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>> ===
>> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>>
>> Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you
>> are fond of!
>>
>> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!
http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
And the URL you cited to back up your claim
