"More than 1200 bicycles stollen every day"



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Peter Fox

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<http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6367309.stm>

Direct Line insurance tied some up to see what would happen. Not sure
if conclusions are valid though.
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Will Cove

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"Doki" <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:

>> Direct Line insurance tied some up to see what would happen. Not
>> sure if conclusions are valid though.


A few months ago, I saw a TV documentary where the researcher chained his
own bike up in a public place and then used a succession of increasingly
leary tools to "steal" his bike. Bolt croppers, hacksaw, and even a petrol-
driven angle-grinder were all used in public view - and even if someone
gave the "perpetrator" a second look, nobody ever challenged him - and that
(disgustingly) includes the police officer who walked by when (IIRC) he was
hacksawing through the chain!

That said, ISTR this took place somewhere in the USA - but I suspect that
us Brits are getting to the same ethos of "ain't my business" that pervades
the US.
 
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killermike

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On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 09:52:55 +0000, Will Cove wrote:

> driven angle-grinder were all used in public view - and even if someone
> gave the "perpetrator" a second look, nobody ever challenged him - and that
> (disgustingly) includes the police officer who walked by when (IIRC) he was
> hacksawing through the chain!


Strangely, on both occasions when I had to do some 'work' on
my bike, while it was propped up against something, passing motorists
slowed down and beeped at me. In all fairness, when I'm on my bike, I have
my hair in a ponytail and quite often on TV programs if someone is a
mugger or other criminal, they have a ponytail too.

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Helen Deborah Vecht

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"Doki" <[email protected]>typed



> "Peter Fox" <[email protected]> wrote in
> message news:[email protected]
> > <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6367309.stm>
> >
> > Direct Line insurance tied some up to see what would happen. Not sure if
> > conclusions are valid though.


They might be valid though. ISTR Camden Police leaving decoy bikes loked
at various point around the borough and a substantial proportion were
stolen within the first hour. Chasing the bike thieves led to the police
apprehending criminals whose crimes were (arguably) more serious than
cycle theft.

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Roger Thorpe

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Will Cove wrote:

> "Doki" <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:
>
>
>>>Direct Line insurance tied some up to see what would happen. Not
>>>sure if conclusions are valid though.

>
>
> A few months ago, I saw a TV documentary where the researcher chained his
> own bike up in a public place and then used a succession of increasingly
> leary tools to "steal" his bike. Bolt croppers, hacksaw, and even a petrol-
> driven angle-grinder were all used in public view - and even if someone
> gave the "perpetrator" a second look, nobody ever challenged him - and that
> (disgustingly) includes the police officer who walked by when (IIRC) he was
> hacksawing through the chain!
>
> That said, ISTR this took place somewhere in the USA - but I suspect that
> us Brits are getting to the same ethos of "ain't my business" that pervades
> the US.

Ha, angle grinders are for wimps. I once cut a Kryptonite lock in front
of a supermarket with an oxy-acetylene torch. Fantastic. Sparks, noise
smoke.....
Nobody bothered!
Could it have been the pink boilersuit that told them I wasn't a thief?

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Daniel Barlow

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Roger Thorpe wrote:
> Could it have been the pink boilersuit that told them I wasn't a thief?


Are thieves not allowed to buy pink boilersuits then?


-dan

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Roger Thorpe

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Daniel Barlow wrote:

> Roger Thorpe wrote:
>
>>Could it have been the pink boilersuit that told them I wasn't a thief?

>
>
> Are thieves not allowed to buy pink boilersuits then?
>
>
> -dan
>

Well, back in tose days a pink boiler suit and ponytail was the uniform
of the slightly poofy, hippie bicycle mechanic. You had to dye your own
boilersuit then, too. These days, of course everyone looks like that.

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M-gineering

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Daniel Barlow wrote:
> Roger Thorpe wrote:
>> Could it have been the pink boilersuit that told them I wasn't a thief?

>
> Are thieves not allowed to buy pink boilersuits then?
>
>
> -dan
>

of course not! Buying instead of stealing the equipment you need just
isn't on

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Roger Merriman

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Helen Deborah Vecht <[email protected]> wrote:

> "Doki" <[email protected]>typed
>
>
>
> > "Peter Fox" <[email protected]> wrote in
> > message news:[email protected]
> > > <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6367309.stm>
> > >
> > > Direct Line insurance tied some up to see what would happen. Not sure if
> > > conclusions are valid though.

>
> They might be valid though. ISTR Camden Police leaving decoy bikes loked
> at various point around the borough and a substantial proportion were
> stolen within the first hour. Chasing the bike thieves led to the police
> apprehending criminals whose crimes were (arguably) more serious than
> cycle theft.


indeed hence the ratinal behind the new york born "zero torlrance" idea.

roger
 
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congokid

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In article <[email protected]>, killermike
<[email protected]> writes

>quite often on TV programs if someone is a
>mugger or other criminal, they have a ponytail too.


A couple of years ago I watched an episode of Crimewatch. According to
virtually every description given, and photofit and mugshot shown, all
the perpetrators had shaved heads and goatee beards. Either one felon
was particularly busy over the previous week or it's the style of choice
of the criminal underclass.
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Helen Deborah Vecht

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[email protected]yped


> I've kept my bike chained up for a long time in Glasgow. I haven't
> seen anybody touch it.


You are very lucky then. In two years in Glasgow:

1) My Rockhopper was stolen in Sauchiehall Street in my first week.

2) The saddle and seatpost[1] were taken from my D-locked hybrid outside
A&E at the Western Infirmary.

3) The pedals were removed from my D-locked hybrid outside A&E at the
Western Infirmary.

4) My D-lock (no bike attached) keyhole was filled with glue.


[1] The saddle quick release had been replaced with a 'Realeasy' allen
cam fitting.

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Don Whybrow

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Will Cove wrote:
>
> A few months ago, I saw a TV documentary where the researcher chained his
> own bike up in a public place and then used a succession of increasingly
> leary tools to "steal" his bike. Bolt croppers, hacksaw, and even a petrol-
> driven angle-grinder were all used in public view - and even if someone
> gave the "perpetrator" a second look, nobody ever challenged him - and that
> (disgustingly) includes the police officer who walked by when (IIRC) he was
> hacksawing through the chain!
>
> That said, ISTR this took place somewhere in the USA - but I suspect that
> us Brits are getting to the same ethos of "ain't my business" that pervades
> the US.


Was it this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TNTq3nhuh0

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Roger Burton West

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Helen Deborah Vecht wrote:

>You are very lucky then.


I had been until this evening. If anyone in London gets offered a cheap
Specialized Crossroads with hub gears, mudguards and a Tortech back
rack, you'll know what to do.

Roger
 
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Will Cove

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Don Whybrow <[email protected]> wrote in news:53n0t1F1t5l2sU1
@mid.individual.net:

> Was it this?
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TNTq3nhuh0


Nope - but it does prove exactly the same point. The unbelievable bit in
your video for me was the cop who said, "Excuse me sir, you can't be doing
that in an active lane." when the thief attacked the lock with a hammer and
chisel. He wasn't concerned that the guy was trying to "steal" a bike, just
that he was getting in the way of the cars while doing it.
 
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Tom

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Don Whybrow <[email protected]> wrote:
> Will Cove wrote:
>>
>> A few months ago, I saw a TV documentary where the researcher
>> chained his own bike up in a public place and then used a succession
>> of increasingly leary tools to "steal" his bike. Bolt croppers,
>> hacksaw, and even a petrol- driven angle-grinder were all used in
>> public view - and even if someone gave the "perpetrator" a second
>> look, nobody ever challenged him - and that (disgustingly) includes
>> the police officer who walked by when (IIRC) he was hacksawing
>> through the chain!
>> That said, ISTR this took place somewhere in the USA - but I suspect
>> that us Brits are getting to the same ethos of "ain't my business"
>> that pervades the US.

>
> Was it this?
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TNTq3nhuh0



It was probably the Neistat brothers' film "Bike Thief"

http://www.neistat.com (which appears to be down at the moment)

but you can read about it here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neistat_Brothers

Tom
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Don Whybrow

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Tom wrote:
> Don Whybrow <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Was it this?
>>
>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TNTq3nhuh0

>
> It was probably the Neistat brothers' film "Bike Thief"
>
> http://www.neistat.com (which appears to be down at the moment)
>
> but you can read about it here
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neistat_Brothers


The Youtube offering is "Bike Thief"

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