~MOTHERS Protect Your Children~

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  1. MOTHERS
    PROTECT YOUR CHILDREN


    WHAT You are about to READ may shock you. It may enrage you, you may wonder how is this possible? But..



    I URGE YOU..

    DO NOT JUST ACCEPT IT. Investigate it yourself!

    DO NOT JUST IGNORE IT. For it won't go away!

    DO NOT DISBELIEVE IT. Ignorance is a curse.



    Find out the Truth!





    BABY SHAMPOO and BUBBLE BATH contain a primary toxic ingredient Sodium Lauryl/Laureth Sulphate (SLS). The International Chemical Safety Card, from the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health, for SLS states, "The substance is toxic to aquatic organisms", and "Do NOT let this chemical enter the environment." The Safety Card also states that there are no guidelines for safe levels of this chemical. A typical Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS) on SLS states the following chronic concern, "TESTS ON LAB ANIMALS INDICATE MATERIAL MAY CAUSE MUTAGENIC EFFECTS." Mutagenic effects are defined as a heritable change in genetic material, which can be passed on to offspring. The SLS information sheet provided by the National Toxicology Program], which states that SLS is " A human skin irritant and eye irritant. And an experimental teratogen." Teratogenic effects are defined as causing damage to the foetus of a pregnant subject. SLS also contribute to urinary tract infections. The MSDS also states that SLS enters the body through the skin, and "SKIN CONTACT COULD CAUSE IRRITATION OR ALLERGIC REACTION. MODERATELY TOXIC BY INGESTION.". "No More tears" products simply add a strong Anaesthetic to mask these painful symptoms in our children.



    DID YOU KNOW? In 1901 cancer was considered a rare disease. Statistics show that 1 out of 1000 developed some form of cancer. Today, according to the American Cancer Society, 1 out of 4 people develop some form of cancer requiring medical intervention.



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    BABY WIPES and BABY MOISTURISER contain another toxic ingredient called Propylene Glycol. The MSDS states that Propylene Glycol is implicated in contact dermatitis, kidney damage and liver abnormalities; can inhibit cell growth in human tests and can damage membranes causing rashes, dry skin and surface damage. May be harmful by inhalation, ingestion or skin absorption. May cause eye irritation. Exposure can cause gastro-intestinal disturbances, nausea, headache and vomiting, central nervous system depression.



    TALC POWDER is a very fine substance, so fine it can be used as a "dry" lubricant. Talc is a chemical similar to asbestos, a known cancer causing substance. Talc is found in many "baby and body" powders, feminine powders and many cosmetics. Talc's harmful effect on human tissues has been known for quite some time. Long ago, its dry lubricating properties were used as a glove-donning powder (easy to slide on) for surgical gloves. As early as the 1930's, talc was linked to post-operative granulomatous peritonitis and fibrous adhesions. -from Candace Sue Kasper, MD and Dr. P. J. Chandler. Talc powder used on condoms may result in fallopian tube fibrosis with resultant infertility. Question raised by Doctors Kasper and Chandler in Journal of the American Medical Association. (JAMA) 3/15/95 -from Nutrition Health Review, Summer 1995 n73p8(1)



    DID YOU KNOW? Your skin is the largest breathing organ of your body, and many chemicals are absorbed through it. Your blood cells then IMMEDIATELY take these toxins to every organ in your body. The Journal of the American College of Toxicology reports that Sodium Lauryl (or Laureth) Sulfate is easily absorbed into your skin and builds up in your heart, liver, kidneys, lungs, pancreas, bladder, and brain.



    TOOTHPASTE containing Fluoride is poisonous! In some countries (where Fluoride isn't banned) warning labels on Fluoride Toothpaste read. "WARNING: Keep out of reach of children under 6 years of age. If you accidentally swallow more than used for brushing, seek PROFESSIONAL HELP or contact a POISON CONTROL centre immediately." Sodium Fluoride is a hazardous waste product produced through the metal smelter process. Fluoride is easily absorbed directly into the bloodstream through the thin skin membranes under the tongue and has been linked to a wide range of health issues including.. Dental & skeletal fluorosis, immune deficiency, cancer, muscular weakness, chronic fatigue, excessive thirst, headaches, skin rashes, joint pains, digestive upsets, tingling in the extremities, and loss of mental acuity. Other ailments include the destruction of about 60 enzymes including cytochrome C and cholinesterase, which handle oxygen. May cause genetic change in sperm and other cells, downs syndrome increase of 250% with 70% developing cataracts, Infant mortality, spontaneous abortions and miscarriages increase, fertility rates drop, infant birth defects increase and goitre.



    DID YOU KNOW? A leading Australian natural fertility clinic is having a success rate of over 80% with couple's fertility problems. Even couples who failed with IVF!! How is this possible? By removing the toxic chemicals from their diet and environment FERTILITY RATES return too normal!



    Taking a bath, shower or any exposure to these toxic chemicals once a week leaves you and your children with constantly incrementing levels of Toxic Chemicals in your eyes, brain, heart and liver at all times. Retarding development and healing. Make the change today!



    WHAT USED TO BE.



    DDT - One of the most poisonous substances developed by man was encouraged by government and industry to be used in the home as a pesticide. Birth deformities, genetic damage, miscarriage and infertility resulted.



    MERCURY - Was once placed in baby teething gels, as well as fillings at the dentist. Heavy metal poisoning, brain damage and organ failure were the result.



    TOBACO - Was once marketed as "safe", non addictive, non-carcinogenic and harmless. Millions of addicts were created and millions still die each year.



    ASBESTOS - Was a safe and extensively used building material. This resulted in a slow painful death for many.



    START MAKING HEALTHY CHOICES TODAY.



    Research undertaken by Cancer Prevention groups like the Cancer Prevention Coalition USA have prompted extensive campaigning to get these cheap toxic substances banned from non industrial use. Research clearly shows the links between a wide variety of chronic illnesses, cancer, skin disorder, mental dysfunction and more between these chemicals. In the short period of time these products have been pumped into the marketplace, the symptoms associated with them have skyrocketed.


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  2. David Wright

    David Wright Guest

    In article <[email protected]>,
    Organic Living <[email protected]> wrote:
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    >
    >
    >MOTHERS
    >PROTECT YOUR CHILDREN
    >
    >WHAT You are about to READ may shock you. It may enrage you, you may
    >wonder how is this possible? But..


    But it's the usual set of lies about propylene glycol, SLS and SLES.
    Carefully worded to make them sound just awful. I could make water
    sound awful if I were as inventive as these jerks. (Which I actually
    am, but it's not worth the effort.)

    >I URGE YOU..
    >
    >DO NOT JUST ACCEPT IT. Investigate it yourself!


    Yep. And if you'll do, you'll discover that the anonymous poster
    (don't you love spammers who use anti-spam precautions?) is lying
    his or her ass off.

    >DID YOU KNOW? In 1901 cancer was considered a rare disease. Statistics
    >show that 1 out of 1000 developed some form of cancer. Today, according
    >to the American Cancer Society, 1 out of 4 people develop some form of
    >cancer requiring medical intervention.


    That's because cancer is primarily a disease of older people. In
    1901, life expectancy at birth as 47.

    >TOOTHPASTE containing Fluoride is poisonous!


    That's why you're not supposed to swallow it, a precaution that anyone
    over the age of 7 should be able to handle just fine.

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
    were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)
     
  3. WB

    WB Guest

    On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 02:45:50 GMT, [email protected] (David Wright) wrote:

    >>TOOTHPASTE containing Fluoride is poisonous!

    >
    >That's why you're not supposed to swallow it, a precaution that anyone
    >over the age of 7 should be able to handle just fine.



    You would have to eat a couple of bathtubs full of Fluoride
    toothpaste to get a toxic dose.

    WB


    --


    Take out the G'RBAGE to reply
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  4. Dear Mr Wright..

    Or should I say.. Mr Wrong.. Firstly, we don't use an email address for
    posting, because bots pick it up and add it to various mailing list. I
    think everyone knows this. Secondly if you read the whole document you
    would have found contact details. And thirdly.. Your OPINION is welcome but
    it is just that an Opinion and an un-informed one at that.

    > But it's the usual set of lies about propylene glycol, SLS and SLES.
    > Carefully worded to make them sound just awful. I could make water
    > sound awful if I were as inventive as these jerks. (Which I actually
    > am, but it's not worth the effort.)


    Again your uniformed opinion. Peoples health is worth the effort to correct
    your gibberish.

    > >I URGE YOU..
    > >
    > >DO NOT JUST ACCEPT IT. Investigate it yourself!

    >
    > Yep. And if you'll do, you'll discover that the anonymous poster
    > (don't you love spammers who use anti-spam precautions?) is lying
    > his or her ass off.


    Not quite.. 1. Contact details were included. And these are NOT lies.
    Unless Material Safety Data sheets Lie? These are industry records not our
    own make believe.. This posted was posted to appropriate groups of interest.
    So you don't see it as an important issue. Well many Including myself, do.
    Again your misinformed opinion..

    > >DID YOU KNOW? In 1901 cancer was considered a rare disease. Statistics
    > >show that 1 out of 1000 developed some form of cancer. Today, according
    > >to the American Cancer Society, 1 out of 4 people develop some form of
    > >cancer requiring medical intervention.

    >
    > That's because cancer is primarily a disease of older people. In
    > 1901, life expectancy at birth as 47.


    Statistical Rubbish. You believe anything you are fed. Go look into it
    yourself. Like you say, anything can be presented in a negative fashion.
    Just like these statistics often touted by the Pharma/Medico industry. The
    statistical error comes from the fact that pre the Surgical Revolution over
    the last 100 years There was a 1in7 chance of Infant Death at Birth and
    another 1 in 7 chance of the Mother dying during birth. So we had 1 in 4.5
    people dying at the average age of 10yr old. A huge statistical flaw when
    making claims that We all get cancer now because were all getting older.
    What rubbish. How many young men, women and children are dying of this
    epidemic. Go do some real research, everyone knows the party line already..
    Nothing new there. Although it keeps people from asking what the biggest
    killer is in the western world?

    Do you know the answer Mr Wright?

    > >TOOTHPASTE containing Fluoride is poisonous!

    >
    > That's why you're not supposed to swallow it, a precaution that anyone
    > over the age of 7 should be able to handle just fine.


    Just like cigarettes, every does of this crap puts load on your immune
    system. Add that to every other piece of garbage you put into your body via
    skin, air and mouth, and the chemical cocktail adds up.. many of these
    chemicals stay in your system for weeks on end. Everyday you apply more and
    more. And what about people with chemical sensitivities.. Your ignorance
    and arrogance astounds me..

    THE Proof is in the results people get when they make this life style
    change. Argue all you want, Ill take my knowledge from Nature and the
    results I see. Its clear you didn't even read the whole thing. The
    fertility issue is extremely relevant and I have seen this method save a lot
    of people pain and heart ache.

    > -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    > These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    > "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
    > were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)


    You like to you are "Almost Always correct.." geez gimme a break.. have a
    nice life.. It will probably be a short one.
     
  5. WB <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]

    >
    > You would have to eat a couple of bathtubs full of Fluoride
    > toothpaste to get a toxic dose.
    >

    So manufacturers put those warning lables on products just for marketing
    purposes? I dont think so. Its call Litigation protection. Children,
    especially infants have gone into
    Toxic Shock because of fluoride overdose from toothpaste. (Using more than a
    PEA sized amount)
    If fluoride wasnt poisonous it wouldnt be a Toxic Waste Product. Or are
    you confusing hazardous waste with
    the natural element of Flourine, which is not used because its er.. natural
    and costs a lot to find and process it..

    My opinion is that it is a bad and a useless chemical, let people research
    it for themselves and make the choice. A choice many of us don't have as it
    is forced upon us in our water supplies anyway. I prefer to choose my
    medication.. Don't you?
     
  6. "Organic Living" <> wrote in message > Dear Mr Wright..
    >This posted was posted to appropriate groups of interest.


    EXCUSE ME?

    Posting a "warning" to *MOTHERS* on an **INFERTILITY** NG is
    APPROPRIATE??

    (shall I bother mention the netiquette breech of using rich text?)

    *sigh*
     
  7. WB

    WB Guest

    On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 17:49:21 +1100, "Organic Living" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >WB <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:[email protected]
    >
    >>
    >> You would have to eat a couple of bathtubs full of Fluoride
    >> toothpaste to get a toxic dose.
    >>

    >So manufacturers put those warning lables on products just for marketing
    >purposes? I dont think so. Its call Litigation protection. Children,
    >especially infants have gone into
    >Toxic Shock because of fluoride overdose from toothpaste. (Using more than a
    >PEA sized amount)


    There is not enough fluoride in tooth paste to cause that.
    Infants don't have teeth hence, no need for toothpaste.


    > If fluoride wasnt poisonous it wouldnt be a Toxic Waste Product. Or are
    >you confusing hazardous waste with
    >the natural element of Flourine, which is not used because its er.. natural
    >and costs a lot to find and process it..
    >
    >My opinion is that it is a bad and a useless chemical,


    Useless ? Then why did God put it on earth ?

    >let people research
    >it for themselves and make the choice. A choice many of us don't have as it
    >is forced upon us in our water supplies anyway.


    You could use bottled water, or have a home filtering system.

    > I prefer to choose my
    >medication.. Don't you?


    Loaded question.

    WB
    --


    Take out the G'RBAGE to reply
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  8. Absolutely its relevant. The post contains some vital information that
    people deserve to know about. Did you miss the part about infertility?
    Obviously because others didn't.. Of course any having fertility problems
    would like to know what these clinics are doing that are having a 80%
    success rate with Infertility problems. Even with people who failed at IVF
    and were written off as Totally Infertile by the standard treatment process.
    Do we all have to share our personal traumas for our opinions to be treated
    with respect? I should hope not.. How about a little pro-active information
    exchange instead. I might suggest you actually read the post first.. I
    don't mean to sound harsh but you raise the most mundane issues over such an
    important one.

    Little Giraffe <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    >
    > "Organic Living" <> wrote in message > Dear Mr Wright..
    > >This posted was posted to appropriate groups of interest.

    >
    > EXCUSE ME?
    >
    > Posting a "warning" to *MOTHERS* on an **INFERTILITY** NG is
    > APPROPRIATE??
    >
    > (shall I bother mention the netiquette breech of using rich text?)
    >
    > *sigh*
    >
    >
     
  9. It is always interesting to read these assholes postings to the point of the first deception. One need not go far in this one....
    "Organic Living" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]

    MOTHERS
    PROTECT YOUR CHILDREN


    WHAT You are about to READ may shock you. It may enrage you, you may wonder how is this possible? But..



    I URGE YOU..

    DO NOT JUST ACCEPT IT. Investigate it yourself!

    DO NOT JUST IGNORE IT. For it won't go away!

    DO NOT DISBELIEVE IT. Ignorance is a curse.



    Find out the Truth!





    BABY SHAMPOO and BUBBLE BATH contain a primary toxic ingredient Sodium Lauryl/Laureth Sulphate (SLS).



    There are TWO chemicals menioned here: sodium lauryl sulphate and sodium laureth sulphate. They are NOT the same.



    Source: TA:J Am Coll Toxicol Vol:2 5(1983) pp1-34


    Abstract:

    Sodium laureth sulfate and ammonium laureth sulfate are used in cosmetic products as cleansing agents, emulsifiers, stabilizers, and solubilizers. The ingredients have been shown to produce eye and/or skin irritation in experimental animals and in some human test subjects; irritation may occur in some users of cosmetic formulations containing the ingredients under consideration. The irritant effects are similar to those produced by other detergents, and the severity of the irritation appears to increase directly with concentration. However, sodium and ammonium laureth sulfate have not evoked adverse resonses in any other toxicological testing. On the basis of available information, the panel concludes that sodium laureth sulfate and ammonium laureth sulfate are safe as presently used in cosmetic products.

    Source: TA:J Am Coll Toxicol Vol:2 7(1983) pp127-81


    Abstract:

    Sodium and ammonium lauryl sulfate are surfactants used in cosmetics as cleansing agents. In absorption, metabolism, and excretion studies, sodium lauryl sulfate had a degenerative effect on the cell membranes because of its protein denaturing properties. Low levels of skin penetration may occur at high use concentration. Sodium lauryl sulfate had an LD50 of 0.8 to 1.10 g/kg in rats. A formulation containing 15% ammonium lauryl sulfate caused depression, labored breathing, diarrhea, and death in four out of 20 animals. In acute ocular tests, 10% sodium lauryl sulfate caused corneal damage to the rabbits'eyes if not irrigated, or if irrigation was delayed. A Draize test of a product containing 5.1% sodium lauryl sulfate caused mild irritation, and products containing 21% detergent were severely irritating with no rinse, and mildly irritating when rinsed. Ammonium lauryl sulfate solutions containing 1.25%-27.4% detergent showed increasing irritation with increasing concentration; rinsing decreased irritation. Acute animal skin irritation studies of 0.5%-10% sodium lauryl sulfate caused slight to moderate irritation. Applications of 10%-30% detergent caused skin corrosion and severe irritation. Solutions of 2%, 10%, and 20% ammonium lauryl sulfate were highly irritating and dangerous. One percent and 5% sodium lauryl sulfate produced a significant number of comedones when applied to the pinna of albino rabbits. A chronic oral feeding study in rats of 0.25%, 0.5%, and 1.0% sodium lauryl sulfate in the diet for two years produced no abnormalities. A 91-day percutaneous toxicity study of a shampoo containing 17.5% ammonium lauryl sulfate had no treatment-related abnormalities except for moderate to severe dermal effects. In mutagenesis studies, rats fed 1.13% and 0.56% sodium lauryl sulfate in the diet for 90 days produced no more chromosomal aberrations or clastogenic effects than did a control diet. Sodium lauryl sulfate was tested for human skin irritation in concentrations ranging from 0.1% to 10%. Open patches were less irritating than closed patches, and irritation increased directly with concentration. Similar results were obtained when formulations containing sodium and ammonium lauryl sulfate were tested. No UV light sensitization occurred from any formulation in this latter study. Both sodium and ammonium lauryl sulfate appear to be safe in formulations designed for discontinuous, brief use followed by thorough rinsing from the surface of the skin. In products intended for prolonged contact with skin, concentrations should not exceed 1%.


    Clearly, one is toxic, one is not. One is used in products, one is not. Read the labels and see for yourself.

    IOW, this poster is a liar.
     
  10. "Little Giraffe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    >
    > "Organic Living" <> wrote in message > Dear Mr Wright..
    > >This posted was posted to appropriate groups of interest.

    >
    > EXCUSE ME?
    >
    > Posting a "warning" to *MOTHERS* on an **INFERTILITY** NG is
    > APPROPRIATE??
    >
    > (shall I bother mention the netiquette breech of using rich text?)


    Thanks for pointing out the utter inseinsitivity of this liar/spammer.
    Having gone through infertility problems three times with my wife, I know
    the pain that this twits insensitivity and lust for money caused.
     
  11. >
    > There is not enough fluoride in tooth paste to cause that.
    > Infants don't have teeth hence, no need for toothpaste.
    >

    Have you ever seen a 2 year old Child brush her little sisters "teeth" like
    mommy does for her. Have you ever seen a grown adult go into toxic shock
    and seizures requiring her stomach to be pumped from accidently swallowing a
    mouthful of of "bubbly Sulphates and Fluoride" toothpaste? Obviously not.
    I dont know what you think you are defending people from by responding the
    way you do..

    >
    > > If fluoride wasnt poisonous it wouldnt be a Toxic Waste Product. Or are
    > >you confusing hazardous waste with
    > >the natural element of Flourine, which is not used because its er..

    natural
    > >and costs a lot to find and process it..
    > >
    > >My opinion is that it is a bad and a useless chemical,

    >
    > Useless ? Then why did God put it on earth ?


    The Fluoride you are talking about IS NOT NATURAL. It is a toxic by product
    produced in the same manner other synthetic chemicals are produced. FLUORIDE
    used in our water supplies and toothpaste comes from the alluminium
    smeltring process. It is NOT Natural and not to be confused with Fluorine.
    Fluorine is a trace element, and is not even a required element for human
    development. NON Biased Statistical studies, produced by independant
    research groups continue to demonstrate that the only noticable statistic
    change in regions with heavy "fluoride" consumption is miscarriage, birth
    defects and depression.

    If you take vallium from birth you are going to grow up to be one depressed
    and misserable person as your natural endorphin centers slowly shutdown due
    to the excessive synthetic happy juices running through your system.
    Valium, Prozac, Zoloft, Rohipnol.. Guess what is their key ingredient for
    development?

    > >let people research
    > >it for themselves and make the choice. A choice many of us don't have as

    it
    > >is forced upon us in our water supplies anyway.

    >
    > You could use bottled water, or have a home filtering system.


    Yeh we made that choice long ago..

    > > I prefer to choose my
    > >medication.. Don't you?

    >
    > Loaded question.


    a loaded question for a loaded email..

    Btw - A you suggested.. Take a bath in a Tub of Fluoride, and count the
    seconds before you are dead.. Better off to just swill a cup of it. Then
    you will have a few minutes to say goodbye to friends and family.. See we
    all have choices.. Some just make the wrong ones.. But thats life.
     
  12. > > (shall I bother mention the netiquette breech of using rich text?)
    >
    > Thanks for pointing out the utter inseinsitivity of this liar/spammer.
    > Having gone through infertility problems three times with my wife, I know
    > the pain that this twits insensitivity and lust for money caused.


    Unbelievable.. Ill respond to your second post regarding your little bit of
    additional research. But let me just tell you this.. You will not know true
    pain until the day you have your child then loose it because of the issues
    presented here. I would realy, realy love to say what I want to say to you
    right now but I wont lower myself to that level... You think you are the
    only person who has experienced suffering in the world? I think I will put
    your false impressions about me down to a true fact about people. You see
    in others, what you are within yourself.
     
  13. Bronsing

    Bronsing Guest

    Organic Living <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]

    [snip]

    >. It is NOT Natural and not to be confused with Fluorine.
    > Fluorine is a trace element, and is not even a required element for human
    > development. NON Biased Statistical studies, produced by independant
    > research groups continue to demonstrate that the only noticable statistic
    > change in regions with heavy "fluoride" consumption is miscarriage, birth
    > defects and depression.


    You would have to go to extreme lengths to have fluorine (F2) as such under
    normal circumstances (atomspheric pressure, room temperature). You see,
    fluorine is a very reactive chemical as it belongs to group VIIb of the
    periodic table of the elements. Fluorine is NOT encountered as a trace
    element, it cannot exist as such on earth. You will only find it build into
    some other molecule, or as fluoride ion.


    >
    > If you take vallium from birth you are going to grow up to be one

    depressed
    > and misserable person as your natural endorphin centers slowly shutdown

    due
    > to the excessive synthetic happy juices running through your system.
    > Valium, Prozac, Zoloft, Rohipnol.. Guess what is their key ingredient for
    > development?


    I'm sure you're going to claim that fluoride is a key ingredient.However,
    valium (diazepam) doesn't contain fluor and neither does Zoloft
    (sertraline). So, of the ones you mention, only two actually contain the so
    dreaded fluorine atom. And, it's build into the molecule, changing the
    chemical (and therefore biological) properties of fluor dramatically.

    [snip]

    > Btw - A you suggested.. Take a bath in a Tub of Fluoride, and count the
    > seconds before you are dead.. Better off to just swill a cup of it. Then
    > you will have a few minutes to say goodbye to friends and family.. See we
    > all have choices.. Some just make the wrong ones.. But thats life.


    You see, it's impossible to do this. You cannot, by the physical appearance
    of flouride, take a bath in it. However, I would like you to take a bath in
    the, according to you natural, fluorine. At least fluorine can be made as a
    liquid (it would appear yellowish).



    --

    Robert Bronsing

    Can't you see?
    It all makes perfect sense,
    expressed in dollars and cents, pounds, shillings and pence

    (R. Waters)
     
  14. "Organic Living" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > >
    > > There is not enough fluoride in tooth paste to cause that.
    > > Infants don't have teeth hence, no need for toothpaste.
    > >

    > Have you ever seen a 2 year old Child brush her little sisters "teeth"

    like
    > mommy does for her. Have you ever seen a grown adult go into toxic shock
    > and seizures requiring her stomach to be pumped from accidently swallowing

    a
    > mouthful of of "bubbly Sulphates and Fluoride" toothpaste? Obviously

    not.
    > I dont know what you think you are defending people from by responding the
    > way you do..


    Have you actually seen people go into toxic shock as you describe? Or, are
    you relying on the sales literature your lying compnay is putting forth?

    > > > If fluoride wasnt poisonous it wouldnt be a Toxic Waste Product. Or

    are
    > > >you confusing hazardous waste with
    > > >the natural element of Flourine, which is not used because its er..

    > natural
    > > >and costs a lot to find and process it..
    > > >
    > > >My opinion is that it is a bad and a useless chemical,

    > >
    > > Useless ? Then why did God put it on earth ?

    >
    > The Fluoride you are talking about IS NOT NATURAL.


    Does being 'natural' somehow make it special? If so, can you describe this
    'special' property?

    It is a toxic by product
    > produced in the same manner other synthetic chemicals are produced.

    FLUORIDE
    > used in our water supplies and toothpaste comes from the alluminium
    > smeltring process.


    So? Is it dumped straigt in, or processed first? And, what is the doseage?
    Is toxicity dose dependent?

    > It is NOT Natural and not to be confused with Fluorine.
    > Fluorine is a trace element, and is not even a required element for human
    > development.


    I see, so fluoride has nothing to do with fluorine. Since fluorine is all
    natural, it is safe, right?

    > NON Biased Statistical studies, produced by independant
    > research groups continue to demonstrate that the only noticable statistic
    > change in regions with heavy "fluoride" consumption is miscarriage, birth
    > defects and depression.


    When you say "NON biased" do you mean to say, people who support my
    position? Sure you do.

    > If you take vallium from birth you are going to grow up to be one

    depressed
    > and misserable person as your natural endorphin centers slowly shutdown

    due
    > to the excessive synthetic happy juices running through your system.
    > Valium, Prozac, Zoloft, Rohipnol.. Guess what is their key ingredient for
    > development?


    Guessing is a poor substitute for knowledge. Care to expound on this?

    > > >let people research
    > > >it for themselves and make the choice. A choice many of us don't have

    as
    > it
    > > >is forced upon us in our water supplies anyway.

    > >
    > > You could use bottled water, or have a home filtering system.

    >
    > Yeh we made that choice long ago..


    Do you sell that, too?

    > > > I prefer to choose my
    > > >medication.. Don't you?

    > >
    > > Loaded question.

    >
    > a loaded question for a loaded email..


    It is not email.

    > Btw - A you suggested.. Take a bath in a Tub of Fluoride, and count the
    > seconds before you are dead.. Better off to just swill a cup of it. Then
    > you will have a few minutes to say goodbye to friends and family.. See we
    > all have choices.. Some just make the wrong ones.. But thats life.


    And you chose to be an internet spammer who sells a product based on fear
    tactics.

    Some people would call that being a dirtbag.
     
  15. "Organic Living" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > > > (shall I bother mention the netiquette breech of using rich text?)

    > >
    > > Thanks for pointing out the utter inseinsitivity of this liar/spammer.
    > > Having gone through infertility problems three times with my wife, I

    know
    > > the pain that this twits insensitivity and lust for money caused.

    >
    > Unbelievable..


    Was that meant to be self-referential? Yes.

    > Ill respond to your second post regarding your little bit of
    > additional research. But let me just tell you this.. You will not know

    true
    > pain until the day you have your child then loose it because of the issues
    > presented here.


    I see, so you wish pain on people. Why am I not surprised? Answer: Because
    your ilk have polluted newsgroups for years.

    > I would realy, realy love to say what I want to say to you
    > right now but I wont lower myself to that level...


    You are directionally challenged. To cure that, buy a big ladder and raise
    yourself up.

    > You think you are the
    > only person who has experienced suffering in the world?


    Now, clueless one, where did I say that? In fact, my post was clear that I
    was understanding another persons pain because I have personally
    experienced it. Do you eat a lot of red herring?

    I think I will put
    > your false impressions about me down to a true fact about people. You see
    > in others, what you are within yourself.


    Wrong, sweetums. Again, you are being most self-referential.

    Please visit:

    www.getaclue.com for help.
     
  16. Re: your barmicidal post..

    The info you found below may sound ok to you.. But you might want to get your head around the fact that many products now have to lists ingredients in personal care items from highest content, to lowest content. Both these ingredients are found in a range of products. You will usually find SLS in the top 3. (Both forms are still widely used.. Like you say.. yes One is "clearly" MORE Toxic than the other.. Check next time your at the supermakret and see..) Secondly.. the chemicals are the same in the fact that one is prepared from the other.. Thirdly one of the biggest issues with these surfactants is a thing called synergy.. You can, if you feel so inclined look further into it. In respect of brevity that one paragraph was enough to prompt someone to investigate for themselves. I would not be recomending that anyone continue this lab study on their children. Especially new born babies.

    And lastly.. you have to be severely intellectually challenged by taking chemistry research data that has more than a 20year Old Date! You should have thrown in the Chemical report that said chemicals cannot penetrate the skin while you were at it.. Or those the early J.A.M.A. Studies that said Smoking did not cause cancer? Or that Mercury in baby teething gels was safe!

    You also might want to consider the ethics of companies that have "Not Tested On Animals" labels on products that contain these cocktails of toxic chemicals that were tested on animals too. But I am sure that wouldn't bother you.. But maybe others..

    So please forgive me Mr Probertios for trying to help educate people about these issues as well as providing the same solution I use for myself and my family. Solutions that have been a major part of successful infertility treatment, that the J.AMA has not even given 1 column centimetre of space to promote. Wouldn't want to jeopardise all that money that pours into the industry from IVF treatment. Expensive isn't it! Who would have thought that going on an organic diet (Free from toxic pesticides and other nasties) coupled with detoxing your body and home would have better results than the leading fertility treatments. And for litteral pennies in comparison.

    Hows the saying go..?

    All truth passes through 3 stages..First it is ridiculed.. Then it is violently opposed, then it is accepted as if it was known all along..


    Markiosi Probertios1 <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]
    It is always interesting to read these assholes postings to the point of the first deception. One need not go far in this one....
    "Organic Living" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]

    MOTHERS
    PROTECT YOUR CHILDREN


    WHAT You are about to READ may shock you. It may enrage you, you may wonder how is this possible? But..



    I URGE YOU..

    DO NOT JUST ACCEPT IT. Investigate it yourself!

    DO NOT JUST IGNORE IT. For it won't go away!

    DO NOT DISBELIEVE IT. Ignorance is a curse.



    Find out the Truth!





    BABY SHAMPOO and BUBBLE BATH contain a primary toxic ingredient Sodium Lauryl/Laureth Sulphate (SLS).



    There are TWO chemicals menioned here: sodium lauryl sulphate and sodium laureth sulphate. They are NOT the same.



    Source: TA:J Am Coll Toxicol Vol:2 5(1983) pp1-34


    Abstract:

    Sodium laureth sulfate and ammonium laureth sulfate are used in cosmetic products as cleansing agents, emulsifiers, stabilizers, and solubilizers. The ingredients have been shown to produce eye and/or skin irritation in experimental animals and in some human test subjects; irritation may occur in some users of cosmetic formulations containing the ingredients under consideration. The irritant effects are similar to those produced by other detergents, and the severity of the irritation appears to increase directly with concentration. However, sodium and ammonium laureth sulfate have not evoked adverse resonses in any other toxicological testing. On the basis of available information, the panel concludes that sodium laureth sulfate and ammonium laureth sulfate are safe as presently used in cosmetic products.

    Source: TA:J Am Coll Toxicol Vol:2 7(1983) pp127-81


    Abstract:

    Sodium and ammonium lauryl sulfate are surfactants used in cosmetics as cleansing agents. In absorption, metabolism, and excretion studies, sodium lauryl sulfate had a degenerative effect on the cell membranes because of its protein denaturing properties. Low levels of skin penetration may occur at high use concentration. Sodium lauryl sulfate had an LD50 of 0.8 to 1.10 g/kg in rats. A formulation containing 15% ammonium lauryl sulfate caused depression, labored breathing, diarrhea, and death in four out of 20 animals. In acute ocular tests, 10% sodium lauryl sulfate caused corneal damage to the rabbits'eyes if not irrigated, or if irrigation was delayed. A Draize test of a product containing 5.1% sodium lauryl sulfate caused mild irritation, and products containing 21% detergent were severely irritating with no rinse, and mildly irritating when rinsed. Ammonium lauryl sulfate solutions containing 1.25%-27.4% detergent showed increasing irritation with increasing concentration; rinsing decreased irritation. Acute animal skin irritation studies of 0.5%-10% sodium lauryl sulfate caused slight to moderate irritation. Applications of 10%-30% detergent caused skin corrosion and severe irritation. Solutions of 2%, 10%, and 20% ammonium lauryl sulfate were highly irritating and dangerous. One percent and 5% sodium lauryl sulfate produced a significant number of comedones when applied to the pinna of albino rabbits. A chronic oral feeding study in rats of 0.25%, 0.5%, and 1.0% sodium lauryl sulfate in the diet for two years produced no abnormalities. A 91-day percutaneous toxicity study of a shampoo containing 17.5% ammonium lauryl sulfate had no treatment-related abnormalities except for moderate to severe dermal effects. In mutagenesis studies, rats fed 1.13% and 0.56% sodium lauryl sulfate in the diet for 90 days produced no more chromosomal aberrations or clastogenic effects than did a control diet. Sodium lauryl sulfate was tested for human skin irritation in concentrations ranging from 0.1% to 10%. Open patches were less irritating than closed patches, and irritation increased directly with concentration. Similar results were obtained when formulations containing sodium and ammonium lauryl sulfate were tested. No UV light sensitization occurred from any formulation in this latter study. Both sodium and ammonium lauryl sulfate appear to be safe in formulations designed for discontinuous, brief use followed by thorough rinsing from the surface of the skin. In products intended for prolonged contact with skin, concentrations should not exceed 1%.


    Clearly, one is toxic, one is not. One is used in products, one is not. Read the labels and see for yourself.

    IOW, this poster is a liar.
     
  17. "Organic Living" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]
    Re: your barmicidal post..

    The info you found below may sound ok to you.. But you might want to get your head around the fact that many products now have to lists ingredients in personal care items from highest content, to lowest content. Both these ingredients are found in a range of products. You will usually find SLS in the top 3. (Both forms are still widely used..

    First, stop posting in HTML.

    Second, prove that both are used, that the amount used is of a doseage which can be toxic.


    Like you say.. yes One is "clearly" MORE Toxic than the other.. Check next time your at the supermakret and see..) Secondly.. the chemicals are the same in the fact that one is prepared from the other..

    No, that is NOT true, as the studies I posted clearly show. they are NOT chemically the same. The only thing that is similar is the names, and, that is what lying spammers, like yourself, are relying on to shill for their lying companies.

    What you are doing is propagating an urban legend:

    http://www.snopes.com/toxins/shampoo.htm


    Thirdly one of the biggest issues with these surfactants is a thing called synergy.. You can, if you feel so inclined look further into it. In respect of brevity that one paragraph was enough to prompt someone to investigate for themselves. I would not be recomending that anyone continue this lab study on their children. Especially new born babies.

    Talk about scaremongering.

    And lastly.. you have to be severely intellectually challenged by taking chemistry research data that has more than a 20year Old Date! You should have thrown in the Chemical report that said chemicals cannot penetrate the skin while you were at it.. Or those the early J.A.M.A. Studies that said Smoking did not cause cancer? Or that Mercury in baby teething gels was safe!

    Can you point out where it has changed? I took the data from the NIH ToxNET website. It is the premier source for toxicology information.

    You also might want to consider the ethics of companies that have "Not Tested On Animals" labels on products that contain these cocktails of toxic chemicals that were tested on animals too. But I am sure that wouldn't bother you.. But maybe others..

    G-d put animals on earth so man could use them.

    So please forgive me Mr Probertios for trying to help educate people about these issues as well as providing the same solution I use for myself and my family.

    I never forgive lying MLM scammers.

    Solutions that have been a major part of successful infertility treatment, that the J.AMA has not even given 1 column centimetre of space to promote.

    JAMA does not promote anything that does not past rigorous testing. Obviously, yours flunked.

    Wouldn't want to jeopardise all that money that pours into the industry from IVF treatment. Expensive isn't it! Who would have thought that going on an organic diet (Free from toxic pesticides and other nasties) coupled with detoxing your body and home would have better results than the leading fertility treatments. And for litteral pennies in comparison.

    Another detoxer! I just love you detoxers.

    Hows the saying go..?

    All truth passes through 3 stages..First it is ridiculed.. Then it is violently opposed, then it is accepted as if it was known all along..

    I am sorry to see you at stage 1.

    If I were you, I would be more worried about DiHydrogen Monoxide. It is a proven dangerous substance, and is found worldwide. The fact that it is all natural is no protectant. In fact, the discoverer of the danger of this chemical substance won a science fair!

    Dihydrogen monoxide is colorless, odorless, tasteless, and kills uncounted thousands of people every year. Most of these deaths are caused by accidental inhalation of DHMO, but the dangers of dihydrogen monoxide do not end there. Prolonged exposure to its solid form causes severe tissue damage. Symptoms of DHMO ingestion can include excessive sweating and urination, and possibly a bloated feeling, nausea, vomiting and body electrolyte imbalance. For those who have become dependent, DHMO withdrawal means certain death.
    Dihydrogen monoxide:


    a.. is also known as hydroxl acid, and is the major component of acid rain.
    b.. contributes to the "greenhouse effect."
    c.. may cause severe burns.
    d.. contributes to the erosion of our natural landscape.
    e.. accelerates corrosion and rusting of many metals.
    f.. may cause electrical failures and decreased effectiveness of automobile brakes.
    g.. has been found in excised tumors of terminal cancer patients.
    Contamination is reaching epidemic proportions!

    Quantities of dihydrogen monoxide have been found in almost every stream, lake, and reservoir in America today. But the pollution is global, and the contaminant has even been found in Antarctic ice. DHMO has caused millions of dollars of property damage in the midwest, and recently California.

    Despite the danger, dihydrogen monoxide is often used:


    a.. as an industrial solvent and coolant.
    b.. in nuclear power plants.
    c.. in the production of styrofoam.
    d.. as a fire retardant.
    e.. in many forms of cruel animal research.
    f.. in the distribution of pesticides. Even after washing, produce remains contaminated by this chemical.
    g.. as an additive in certain "junk-foods" and other food products.
    Companies dump waste DHMO into rivers and the ocean, and nothing can be done to stop them because this practice is still legal. The impact on wildlife is extreme, and we cannot afford to ignore it any longer!

    The American government has refused to ban the production, distribution, or use of this damaging chemical due to its "importance to the economic health of this nation." In fact, the navy and other military organizations are conducting experiments with DHMO, and designing multi-billion dollar devices to control and utilize it during warfare situations. Hundreds of military research facilities receive tons of it through a highly sophisticated underground distribution network. Many store large quantities for later use.
     
  18. -L.

    -L. Guest

    "Organic Living" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > Absolutely its relevant. The post contains some vital information that
    > people deserve to know about. Did you miss the part about infertility?


    Listen you idiot - I'm not going to be nice, since you don't seem to
    GET IT.

    QUIT CROSS-POSTING to the INFERTILITY NEWSGROUPS!

    Addressing a bunch of INFERTILE women as "MOTHERS" is RUDE,
    INCONSIDERATE and HURTFUL.

    Not only is it against the FAQ, you are potentially harming women who
    have deep emotional pain. Not that I expect you to care.

    -L.
     
  19. -L.

    -L. Guest

  20. "-L." <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > "Organic Living" <[email protected]> wrote in message

    news:<[email protected]>...
    > > Absolutely its relevant. The post contains some vital information that
    > > people deserve to know about. Did you miss the part about infertility?

    >
    > Oh, and BTW, HERE are the FAQs -
    >
    > http://www.fertilityplus.org/faq/infertility.html
    >
    > Since you evidently cannot find them on your own...


    If she cannot find a clue, how can you expect that she can find anything?

    I wish you all well in your group. We were lucky.
     
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