~MOTHERS Protect Your Children~

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    MOTHERS PROTECT YOUR CHILDREN=20

    WHAT You are about to READ may shock you. It may enrage you, you may = wonder how is this
    possible? But..

    I URGE YOU..

    DO NOT JUST ACCEPT IT. Investigate it yourself!

    DO NOT JUST IGNORE IT. For it won't go away!

    DO NOT DISBELIEVE IT. Ignorance is a curse.

    Find out the Truth!=20

    =20

    BABY SHAMPOO and BUBBLE BATH contain a primary toxic ingredient Sodium = Lauryl/Laureth Sulphate
    (SLS). The International Chemical Safety Card, = from the National Institute for Occupational Safety
    and Health, for SLS = states, "The substance is toxic to aquatic organisms", and "Do NOT let = this
    chemical enter the environment." The Safety Card also states that = there are no guidelines for safe
    levels of this chemical. A typical = Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS) on SLS states the following
    chronic = concern, "TESTS ON LAB ANIMALS INDICATE MATERIAL MAY CAUSE MUTAGENIC = EFFECTS." Mutagenic
    effects are defined as a heritable change in genetic = material, which can be passed on to
    offspring. The SLS information = sheet provided by the National Toxicology Program], which states
    that = SLS is " A human skin irritant and eye irritant. And an experimental = teratogen."
    Teratogenic effects are defined as causing damage to the = foetus of a pregnant subject. SLS also
    contribute to urinary tract = infections. The MSDS also states that SLS enters the body through the
    = skin, and "SKIN CONTACT COULD CAUSE IRRITATION OR ALLERGIC REACTION. = MODERATELY TOXIC BY
    INGESTION.". "No More tears" products simply add a = strong Anaesthetic to mask these painful
    symptoms in our children.=20

    =20

    DID YOU KNOW? In 1901 cancer was considered a rare disease. Statistics = show that 1 out of 1000
    developed some form of cancer. Today, according = to the American Cancer Society, 1 out of 4 people
    develop some form of = cancer requiring medical intervention.

    =20

    FOR SAFE ALTERNATIVES : MADE BY GAIA - CLICK HERE

    Certified Organic Cosmetics, skin care, hair care, personal care, health = and home care. Unrivalled
    quality, a product range that your skin will = love you for! (International supplier)

    BABY WIPES and BABY MOISTURISER contain another toxic ingredient called = Propylene Glycol. The MSDS
    states that Propylene Glycol is implicated in = contact dermatitis, kidney damage and liver
    abnormalities; can inhibit = cell growth in human tests and can damage membranes causing rashes, dry
    = skin and surface damage. May be harmful by inhalation, ingestion or skin = absorption. May cause
    eye irritation. Exposure can cause = gastro-intestinal disturbances, nausea, headache and vomiting,
    central = nervous system depression.

    =20

    TALC POWDER is a very fine substance, so fine it can be used as a "dry" = lubricant. Talc is a
    chemical similar to asbestos, a known cancer = causing substance. Talc is found in many "baby and
    body" powders, = feminine powders and many cosmetics. Talc's harmful effect on human = tissues has
    been known for quite some time. Long ago, its dry = lubricating properties were used as a glove-
    donning powder (easy to = slide on) for surgical gloves. As early as the 1930's, talc was linked =
    to post-operative granulomatous peritonitis and fibrous adhesions. -from = Candace Sue Kasper, MD
    and Dr. P. J. Chandler. Talc powder used on = condoms may result in fallopian tube fibrosis with
    resultant = infertility. Question raised by Doctors Kasper and Chandler in Journal = of the American
    Medical Association. (JAMA) 3/15/95 -from Nutrition = Health Review, Summer 1995 n73p8(1)

    =20

    DID YOU KNOW? Your skin is the largest breathing organ of your body, and = many chemicals are
    absorbed through it. Your blood cells then = IMMEDIATELY take these toxins to every organ in your
    body. The Journal = of the American College of Toxicology reports that Sodium Lauryl (or = Laureth)
    Sulfate is easily absorbed into your skin and builds up in your = heart, liver, kidneys, lungs,
    pancreas, bladder, and brain.=20

    =20

    TOOTHPASTE containing Fluoride is poisonous! In some countries (where = Fluoride isn't banned)
    warning labels on Fluoride Toothpaste read. = "WARNING: Keep out of reach of children under 6 years
    of age. If you = accidentally swallow more than used for brushing, seek PROFESSIONAL HELP = or
    contact a POISON CONTROL centre immediately." Sodium Fluoride is a = hazardous waste product
    produced through the metal smelter process. = Fluoride is easily absorbed directly into the
    bloodstream through the = thin skin membranes under the tongue and has been linked to a wide range =
    of health issues including.. Dental & skeletal fluorosis, immune = deficiency, cancer, muscular
    weakness, chronic fatigue, excessive = thirst, headaches, skin rashes, joint pains, digestive
    upsets, tingling = in the extremities, and loss of mental acuity. Other ailments include = the
    destruction of about 60 enzymes including cytochrome C and = cholinesterase, which handle oxygen.
    May cause genetic change in sperm = and other cells, downs syndrome increase of 250% with 70%
    developing = cataracts, Infant mortality, spontaneous abortions and miscarriages = increase,
    fertility rates drop, infant birth defects increase and = goitre.

    =20

    DID YOU KNOW? A leading Australian natural fertility clinic is having a = success rate of over 80%
    with couple's fertility problems. Even couples = who failed with IVF!! How is this possible? By
    removing the toxic = chemicals from their diet and environment FERTILITY RATES return too = normal!

    =20

    Taking a bath, shower or any exposure to these toxic chemicals once a = week leaves you and your
    children with constantly incrementing levels of = Toxic Chemicals in your eyes, brain, heart and
    liver at all times. = Retarding development and healing. Make the change today!

    =20

    WHAT USED TO BE.

    =20

    DDT - One of the most poisonous substances developed by man was = encouraged by government and
    industry to be used in the home as a = pesticide. Birth deformities, genetic damage, miscarriage and
    = infertility resulted.

    =20

    MERCURY - Was once placed in baby teething gels, as well as fillings at = the dentist. Heavy metal
    poisoning, brain damage and organ failure were = the result.

    =20

    TOBACO - Was once marketed as "safe", non addictive, non-carcinogenic = and harmless. Millions of
    addicts were created and millions still die = each year.

    =20

    ASBESTOS - Was a safe and extensively used building material. This = resulted in a slow painful
    death for many.

    =20

    START MAKING HEALTHY CHOICES TODAY.

    =20

    Research undertaken by Cancer Prevention groups like the Cancer = Prevention Coalition USA have
    prompted extensive campaigning to get = these cheap toxic substances banned from non industrial use.
    Research = clearly shows the links between a wide variety of chronic illnesses, = cancer, skin
    disorder, mental dysfunction and more between these = chemicals. In the short period of time these
    products have been pumped = into the marketplace, the symptoms associated with them have =
    skyrocketed.

    FOR SAFE ALTERNATIVES : MADE BY GAIA - CLICK HERE

    Certified Organic Cosmetics, skin care, hair care, personal care, health = and home care. Unrivalled
    quality, a product range that your skin will = love you for! (International Supplier)

    __END OF FILE__

    PLEASE FORWARD THIS ON TO YOUR FREINDS, FAMILY AND LOVED ONES. TAKE = ACTION WITH HOW YOU SPEND
    YOUR MONEY.

    Synthetic, Toxic Chemical Based "Firming, Cellulite Reduction Gel" COST = TO MANUFACTURE $0.23cents
    SHELF PRICE $87 And it poisons you too!!

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    14.0pt"><FONT=20 size=3D3><EM><STRONG>DO NOT JUST ACCEPT IT.</STRONG> Investigate it =

    yourself!</EM></FONT></SPAN></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN:
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    15.0pt"><FONT=20 size=3D3><EM><STRONG>DO NOT JUST IGNORE IT.</STRONG> For it won't = go=20
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    19.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN:
    = justify"><B><U>BABY=20 SHAMPOO</U></B> and <B><U>BUBBLE BATH</U></B> contain a primary toxic =
    ingredient=20 Sodium Lauryl/Laureth Sulphate (SLS). The International Chemical Safety = Card,=20
    from the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health, for SLS = states,=20 "The
    substance <B>is toxic</B> to aquatic organisms", and "Do NOT let = this=20 chemical enter the
    environment."<SUP> </SUP>The Safety Card also states = that=20 there are no guidelines for safe
    levels of this chemical. A typical = Material=20 Safety Data Sheet (MSDS) on SLS states the
    following chronic concern, = "TESTS ON=20 LAB ANIMALS INDICATE MATERIAL MAY <B>CAUSE MUTAGENIC
    EFFECTS</B>." = Mutagenic=20 effects are defined as a heritable <B>change in genetic
    material</B>, = which can=20 be passed on to offspring.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> =
    </SPAN>The SLS=20 information sheet provided by the National Toxicology Program], which =
    states=20 that SLS is " A human skin irritant and <B>eye irritant. And an = experimental=20
    teratogen</B>." Teratogenic effects are defined as <B>causing damage to = the=20 foetus of a
    pregnant subject</B>. SLS also contribute to urinary tract=20 infections. The MSDS also states
    that SLS enters the body through the = skin, and=20 "SKIN CONTACT COULD CAUSE IRRITATION OR
    ALLERGIC REACTION. MODERATELY = TOXIC BY=20 INGESTION.". <B><I>=93No More tears=94</I></B>
    products simply add a = strong=20 Anaesthetic to mask these painful symptoms in our children.
    </P> <P class=3DMsoNormal=20 style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN:
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    20.0pt; mso-border-alt: solid windowtext .5pt"=20 align=3Dcenter><B><I>DID YOU KNOW?</I></B><I> In
    <B>1901 cancer was = considered a=20 rare disease</B>. Statistics show that 1 out of 1000
    developed some form = of=20 cancer. <B>Today</B>, according to the American Cancer Society<B>, 1
    out = of 4=20 people develop</B> some form of <B>cancer</B> requiring medical=20
    intervention.</I></P></DIV> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: =
    justify"><o:p><FONT=20 face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT></o:p> </P> <P class=3DMsoHeader=20
    style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify; tab-stops: =
    21.0pt"><FONT=20 face=3DArial size=3D2>FOR SAFE ALTERNATIVES : </FONT><FONT face=3DArial =
    size=3D2><A=20 href=3D"http://www.lightworkers.org/gaia/">MADE BY GAIA - CLICK=20
    HERE</A></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoHeader=20 style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify;
    tab-stops: =
    22.0pt"><FONT=20 size=3D2><EM>Certified Organic Cosmetics, skin care, hair care, personal = care,=20
    health and home care. Unrivalled quality, a product range that your skin = will=20 love you
    for! (International supplier)</EM></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN:
    0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: = justify"> </P> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;
    TEXT-ALIGN: = justify"><B><U>BABY=20 WIPES</U></B> and <B><U>BABY MOISTURISER </U></B>contain
    another toxic=20 ingredient called Propylene Glycol. The MSDS states that Propylene = Glycol
    is=20 <SPAN style=3D"mso-bidi-font-size: 13.5pt">implicated in <B>contact = dermatitis,=20 kidney
    damage and liver abnormalities</B>; <B>can inhibit cell growth in = human=20 tests </B>and <B>can
    damage membranes</B> causing rashes, dry skin and = surface=20 damage. May be harmful by
    inhalation, ingestion or skin absorption. May =
    <B>cause=20 eye irritation</B>. Exposure can cause <B>gastro-intestinal = disturbances</B>,=20
    nausea, headache and vomiting, <B>central nervous system=20
    depression</B>.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal=20 style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-
    ALIGN: = justify"><B><U><o:p></o:p></U></B> </P> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm
    0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: = justify"><B><U>TALC=20 POWDER</U></B> is a very fine substance, so fine
    it can be used as a = "dry"=20 lubricant. Talc is a chemical <B>similar to asbestos</B>, a
    known cancer = causing=20 substance. Talc is found in many "baby and body" powders, feminine =
    powders and=20 many cosmetics. Talc's harmful effect on human tissues has been known = for
    quite=20 some time. Long ago, its dry lubricating properties were used as a = glove-donning=20
    powder (easy to slide on) for surgical gloves. As early as the 1930's, = talc was=20
    <C>linked to post-operative granulomatous peritonitis and fibrous = adhesions</B>.=20 -from
    Candace Sue Kasper, MD and Dr. P. J. Chandler.<SPAN=20 style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">
    </SPAN>Talc powder used on condoms = may result=20
    <D>in fallopian tube fibrosis with resultant infertility</B>. Question = raised by=20 Doctors
    Kasper and Chandler in Journal of the American Medical = Association.=20 (JAMA) 3/15/95 -from
    Nutrition Health Review, Summer 1995 n73p8(1)</P> <P class=3DMsoNormal=20 style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm
    0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify"> <o:p></o:p></P> <DIV=20 style=3D"BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext
    0.5pt solid; PADDING-RIGHT: 4pt; = BORDER-TOP: windowtext 0.5pt solid; PADDING-LEFT: 4pt; PADDING-
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    windowtext 0.5pt solid"> <P class=3DMsoNormal=20 style=3D"BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-
    RIGHT: 0cm; BORDER-TOP: = medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; MARGIN: 0cm
    11.75pt = 0pt 9pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; BORDER-BOTTOM: = medium none;
    TEXT-ALIGN: center; mso-padding-alt: 1.0pt 4.0pt 1.0pt =
    4.0pt; mso-border-alt: solid windowtext .5pt"=20 align=3Dcenter><B><I>DID YOU KNOW?</I></B><I>
    <B>Your skin is the = largest=20 breathing organ of your body, and many chemicals are absorbed
    through = it.</B>=20 Your blood cells then IMMEDIATELY take these toxins to every organ in = your
    body.=20 The Journal of the American College of Toxicology reports that Sodium = Lauryl (or=20
    Laureth) Sulfate is easily absorbed into your skin and builds up in your = heart,=20 liver,
    kidneys, lungs, pancreas, bladder, and brain. </I></P></DIV> <P class=3DMsoNormal=20
    style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify"> <o:p></o:p></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal=20
    style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: = justify"><B><U>TOOTHPASTE</U></B>=20 containing
    Fluoride is poisonous! In some countries (where Fluoride = isn=92t=20 banned) warning labels on
    Fluoride Toothpaste read. <B>"WARNING: Keep = out of=20 reach of children under 6 years of age.
    If you accidentally swallow more = than=20 used for brushing, seek PROFESSIONAL HELP or contact a
    POISON CONTROL = centre=20 immediately."</B> Sodium <B>Fluoride is a hazardous waste =
    product</B>=20 produced through the metal smelter process. Fluoride is easily absorbed =
    directly=20 into the bloodstream through the thin skin membranes under the tongue = and has=20
    been linked to a wide range of health issues including.. Dental & = skeletal=20 fluorosis,
    i<B>mmune deficiency</B>, cancer, muscular weakness, =
    <B>chronic=20 fatigue</B>, excessive thirst, headaches, skin rashes, joint pains, = digestive=20
    upsets, tingling in the extremities, and <B>loss of mental acuity</B>. = Other=20 ailments
    include the destruction of about 60 enzymes including = cytochrome C and=20 cholinesterase,
    which handle oxygen. May cause <B>genetic change</B> in = sperm=20 and other cells, <B>downs
    syndrome</B> increase of 250% with 70% = developing=20 cataracts, Infant mortality, spontaneous
    abortions and =
    <B><A>miscarriages=20 increase</U></B><U>, <B>fertility rates drop</B></U>, infant birth =
    defects=20 increase and goitre.</P> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-
    ALIGN: center"=20 align=3Dcenter><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-bidi-font-size: =
    12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P> <DIV=20 style=3D"BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; PADDING-
    RIGHT: 4pt; = BORDER-TOP: windowtext 0.5pt solid; PADDING-LEFT: 4pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: = 1pt; BORDER-
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    class=3DMsoNormal=20 style=3D"BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; BORDER-TOP: = medium
    none; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm = 0pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none;
    PADDING-TOP: 0cm; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium = none; TEXT-ALIGN: center; mso-padding-alt: 1.0pt 4.0pt
    1.0pt 4.0pt; = mso-border-alt: solid windowtext .5pt"=20 align=3Dcenter><B><I>DID YOU
    KNOW?</I></B><I> A leading <B>Australian = natural=20 fertility</B> clinic is having a <B>success
    rate of over 80%</B> with = couple=92s=20 fertility problems.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun:
    yes"> </SPAN>Even = couples=20 who failed with IVF!! How is this possible? <B>By removing
    the toxic = chemicals=20 from their diet and environment</B> FERTILITY RATES return too=20
    normal!<o:p></o:p></I></P></DIV> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN:
    center"=20 align=3Dcenter><I> <o:p></o:p></I></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm
    0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: = justify">Taking a=20
    <B>bath, shower or any exposure</B> to these toxic chemicals once a week = leaves=20 you and your
    children with <B>constantly incrementing</B> levels of =
    <C>Toxic=20 Chemicals</B> in your <B>eyes, brain, heart and liver at all = times</B>.<SPAN=20 style=3D"mso-
    spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Retarding development and = healing. Make=20 the change
    today!<I><o:p></o:p></I></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN:
    center"=20 align=3Dcenter><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-bidi-font-size: =
    12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><B><U>WHAT
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  2. David Wright

    David Wright Guest

    In article <[email protected]>,
    Organic Living <[email protected]> wrote:
    >-=-=-=-=-=-
    >
    >
    >MOTHERS PROTECT YOUR CHILDREN
    >
    >WHAT You are about to READ may shock you. It may enrage you, you may wonder how is this
    >possible? But..

    But it's the usual set of lies about propylene glycol, SLS and SLES. Carefully worded to make them
    sound just awful. I could make water sound awful if I were as inventive as these jerks. (Which I
    actually am, but it's not worth the effort.)

    >I URGE YOU..
    >
    >DO NOT JUST ACCEPT IT. Investigate it yourself!

    Yep. And if you'll do, you'll discover that the anonymous poster (don't you love spammers who use
    anti-spam precautions?) is lying his or her ass off.

    >DID YOU KNOW? In 1901 cancer was considered a rare disease. Statistics show that 1 out of 1000
    >developed some form of cancer. Today, according to the American Cancer Society, 1 out of 4 people
    >develop some form of cancer requiring medical intervention.

    That's because cancer is primarily a disease of older people. In 1901, life expectancy at
    birth as 47.

    >TOOTHPASTE containing Fluoride is poisonous!

    That's why you're not supposed to swallow it, a precaution that anyone over the age of 7 should be
    able to handle just fine.

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always
    correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my
    shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)
     
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    It is always interesting to read these assholes postings to the point of = the first deception. One
    need not go far in this one.... "Organic Living" <[email protected]> wrote in message =
    news:[email protected]...

    MOTHERS PROTECT YOUR CHILDREN=20

    WHAT You are about to READ may shock you. It may enrage you, you may = wonder how is this
    possible? But..

    I URGE YOU..

    DO NOT JUST ACCEPT IT. Investigate it yourself!

    DO NOT JUST IGNORE IT. For it won't go away!

    DO NOT DISBELIEVE IT. Ignorance is a curse.

    Find out the Truth!=20

    =20

    BABY SHAMPOO and BUBBLE BATH contain a primary toxic ingredient Sodium = Lauryl/Laureth
    Sulphate (SLS).=20

    There are TWO chemicals menioned here: sodium lauryl sulphate and sodium = laureth sulphate. They
    are NOT the same.=20

    Source: TA:J Am Coll Toxicol Vol:2 5(1983) pp1-34

    Abstract:=20

    Sodium laureth sulfate and ammonium laureth sulfate are used in = cosmetic products as cleansing
    agents, emulsifiers, stabilizers, and = solubilizers. The ingredients have been shown to produce
    eye and/or skin = irritation in experimental animals and in some human test subjects; = irritation
    may occur in some users of cosmetic formulations containing = the ingredients under consideration.
    The irritant effects are similar to = those produced by other detergents, and the severity of the
    irritation = appears to increase directly with concentration. However, sodium and = ammonium
    laureth sulfate have not evoked adverse resonses in any other = toxicological testing. On the
    basis of available information, the panel = concludes that sodium laureth sulfate and ammonium
    laureth sulfate are = safe as presently used in cosmetic products.=20

    Source: TA:J Am Coll Toxicol Vol:2 7(1983) pp127-81

    Abstract:=20

    Sodium and ammonium lauryl sulfate are surfactants used in cosmetics = as cleansing agents. In
    absorption, metabolism, and excretion studies, = sodium lauryl sulfate had a degenerative effect
    on the cell membranes = because of its protein denaturing properties. Low levels of skin =
    penetration may occur at high use concentration. Sodium lauryl sulfate = had an LD50 of 0.8 to
    1.10 g/kg in rats. A formulation containing 15% = ammonium lauryl sulfate caused depression,
    labored breathing, diarrhea, = and death in four out of 20 animals. In acute ocular tests, 10%
    sodium = lauryl sulfate caused corneal damage to the rabbits'eyes if not = irrigated, or if
    irrigation was delayed. A Draize test of a product = containing 5.1% sodium lauryl sulfate caused
    mild irritation, and = products containing 21% detergent were severely irritating with no = rinse,
    and mildly irritating when rinsed. Ammonium lauryl sulfate = solutions containing 1.25%-27.4%
    detergent showed increasing irritation = with increasing concentration; rinsing decreased
    irritation. Acute = animal skin irritation studies of 0.5%-10% sodium lauryl sulfate caused =
    slight to moderate irritation. Applications of 10%-30% detergent caused = skin corrosion and
    severe irritation. Solutions of 2%, 10%, and 20% = ammonium lauryl sulfate were highly irritating
    and dangerous. One = percent and 5% sodium lauryl sulfate produced a significant number of =
    comedones when applied to the pinna of albino rabbits. A chronic oral = feeding study in rats of
    0.25%, 0.5%, and 1.0% sodium lauryl sulfate in = the diet for two years produced no abnormalities.
    A 91-day percutaneous = toxicity study of a shampoo containing 17.5% ammonium lauryl sulfate had =
    no treatment-related abnormalities except for moderate to severe dermal = effects. In mutagenesis
    studies, rats fed 1.13% and 0.56% sodium lauryl = sulfate in the diet for 90 days produced no more
    chromosomal aberrations = or clastogenic effects than did a control diet. Sodium lauryl sulfate =
    was tested for human skin irritation in concentrations ranging from 0.1% = to 10%. Open patches
    were less irritating than closed patches, and = irritation increased directly with concentration.
    Similar results were = obtained when formulations containing sodium and ammonium lauryl sulfate =
    were tested. No UV light sensitization occurred from any formulation in = this latter study. Both
    sodium and ammonium lauryl sulfate appear to be = safe in formulations designed for discontinuous,
    brief use followed by = thorough rinsing from the surface of the skin. In products intended for =
    prolonged contact with skin, concentrations should not exceed 1%.=20

    Clearly, one is toxic, one is not. One is used in products, one is not. = Read the labels and see
    for yourself.

    IOW, this poster is a liar.=20

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    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It is always interesting to read these = assholes=20 postings to
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    align=3Dcenter><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 8pt; mso-bidi-font-size: =
    15.0pt"><FONT=20 size=3D3><STRONG><EM>WHAT You are about to READ may <U>shock</U> = you. It=20
    may <U>enrage</U> you, you may wonder <U>how is this possible</U>?=20
    But..</EM></STRONG></FONT></SPAN></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-
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    align=3Dcenter><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 8pt; mso-bidi-font-size: =
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    align=3Dcenter><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 8pt; mso-bidi-font-size: =
    17.0pt"><FONT=20 color=3D#ff0000 size=3D4><STRONG><EM><U>I URGE=20
    YOU..</U></EM></STRONG></FONT></SPAN></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-
    ALIGN: center" =

    align=3Dcenter><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 8pt; mso-bidi-font-size: =
    18.0pt"><FONT=20 size=3D3><EM><STRONG>DO NOT JUST ACCEPT IT.</STRONG> Investigate = it=20
    yourself!</EM></FONT></SPAN></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-
    ALIGN: center" =

    align=3Dcenter><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 8pt; mso-bidi-font-size: =
    19.0pt"><FONT=20 size=3D3><EM><STRONG>DO NOT JUST IGNORE IT.</STRONG> For it = won't
    go=20 away!</EM></FONT></SPAN></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-
    ALIGN: center" =

    align=3Dcenter><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 8pt; mso-bidi-font-size: =
    20.0pt"><FONT=20 size=3D3><EM><STRONG>DO NOT DISBELIEVE IT.</STRONG> Ignorance is a=20
    curse.</EM></FONT></SPAN></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-
    ALIGN: center" =

    align=3Dcenter><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 8pt; mso-bidi-font-size: =
    21.0pt"><FONT=20 color=3D#008080 = size=3D3><EM><STRONG></STRONG></EM></FONT></SPAN> </P> <P
    class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" =

    align=3Dcenter><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 8pt; mso-bidi-font-size: =
    22.0pt"><FONT=20 color=3D#008080 size=3D3><EM><STRONG>Find out the Truth!=20
    </STRONG></EM></FONT></SPAN></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-
    ALIGN: center" =

    align=3Dcenter><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 8pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"></SPAN> </P> <P
    class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" =

    align=3Dcenter><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 8pt; mso-bidi-font-size: =
    23.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN:
    = justify"><B><U>BABY=20 SHAMPOO</U></B> and <B><U>BUBBLE BATH</U></B> contain a primary toxic=20
    ingredient Sodium Lauryl/Laureth Sulphate (SLS). = </P></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <P class=3DMsoNormal
    dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify"> </P> <P class=3DMsoNormal
    dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify">There are TWO = chemicals=20
    menioned here: sodium lauryl sulphate and sodium laureth sulphate. They = are NOT=20 the same.
    </P> <P class=3DMsoNormal dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN:
    justify"> </P>
    <P><STRONG>Source:</STRONG> TA:J Am Coll Toxicol Vol:2 5(1983) = pp1-34<BR>
    <Q><STRONG>Abstract:</STRONG>=20
    <DL>
    <DT>
    <DU><FONT color=3Dred><STRONG>Sodium</STRONG></FONT> <FONT=20
    color=3Dred><STRONG>laureth</STRONG></FONT> <FONT=20
    color=3Dred><STRONG>sulfate</STRONG></FONT> and ammonium <FONT=20
    color=3Dred><STRONG>laureth</STRONG></FONT> <FONT=20
    color=3Dred><STRONG>sulfate</STRONG></FONT> are used in cosmetic = products as=20 cleansing
    agents, emulsifiers, stabilizers, and solubilizers. The = ingredients=20 have been shown to
    produce eye and/or skin irritation in experimental = animals=20 and in some human test
    subjects; irritation may occur in some users of =

    cosmetic formulations containing the ingredients under consideration. = The=20 irritant effects
    are similar to those produced by other detergents, = and the=20 severity of the irritation appears
    to increase directly with = concentration.=20 However, <FONT
    color=3Dred><STRONG>sodium</STRONG></FONT> and ammonium = <FONT=20
    color=3Dred><STRONG>laureth</STRONG></FONT> <FONT=20 color=3Dred><STRONG>sulfate</STRONG></FONT>
    have not evoked adverse = resonses in=20 any other toxicological testing. On the basis of
    available = information, the=20 panel concludes that <FONT
    color=3Dred><STRONG>sodium</STRONG></FONT> = <FONT=20 color=3Dred><STRONG>laureth</STRONG></FONT>
    <FONT=20 color=3Dred><STRONG>sulfate</STRONG></FONT> and ammonium <FONT=20
    color=3Dred><STRONG>laureth</STRONG></FONT> <FONT=20 color=3Dred><STRONG>sulfate</STRONG></FONT>
    are safe as presently used = in=20 cosmetic products. </DD></DL>
    <DIV> </DIV>
    <P><STRONG>Source:</STRONG> TA:J Am Coll Toxicol Vol:2 7(1983) = pp127-81<BR>
    <Q><STRONG>Abstract:</STRONG>=20
    <DL>
    <DV>
    <DW>Sodium and ammonium lauryl sulfate are surfactants used in = cosmetics as=20 cleansing agents.
    In absorption, metabolism, and excretion studies, = <FONT=20 color=3Dred><STRONG>sodium lauryl
    sulfate </STRONG></FONT>had a = degenerative=20 effect on the cell membranes because of its
    protein denaturing = properties. Low=20 levels of skin penetration may occur at high use
    concentration. <FONT=20 color=3Dred><STRONG>Sodium lauryl sulfate </STRONG></FONT>had an LD50
    = of 0.8 to=20
    1.10 g/kg in rats. A formulation containing 15% ammonium lauryl = sulfate caused=20 depression,
    labored breathing, diarrhea, and death in four out of 20 = animals.=20 In acute ocular tests,
    10% <FONT color=3Dred><STRONG>sodium lauryl = sulfate=20 </STRONG></FONT>caused corneal damage
    to the rabbits'eyes if not = irrigated, or=20 if irrigation was delayed. A Draize test of a
    product containing 5.1% = <FONT=20 color=3Dred><STRONG>sodium lauryl sulfate
    </STRONG></FONT>caused mild=20 irritation, and products containing 21% detergent were severely
    = irritating=20 with no rinse, and mildly irritating when rinsed. Ammonium lauryl = sulfate=20
    solutions containing 1.25%-27.4% detergent showed increasing = irritation with=20 increasing
    concentration; rinsing decreased irritation. Acute animal = skin=20 irritation studies of 0.5%-
    10% <FONT color=3Dred><STRONG>sodium lauryl = sulfate=20 </STRONG></FONT>caused slight to
    moderate irritation. Applications of = 10%-30%=20 detergent caused skin corrosion and severe
    irritation. Solutions of = 2%, 10%,=20 and 20% ammonium lauryl sulfate were highly irritating
    and dangerous. = One=20 percent and 5% <FONT color=3Dred><STRONG>sodium lauryl sulfate=20
    </STRONG></FONT>produced a significant number of comedones when = applied to the=20 pinna of
    albino rabbits. A chronic oral feeding study in rats of = .25%, 0.5%,=20 and 1.0% <FONT
    color=3Dred><STRONG>sodium lauryl sulfate = </STRONG></FONT>in the=20 diet for two years
    produced no abnormalities. A 91-day percutaneous = toxicity=20 study of a shampoo containing
    17.5% ammonium lauryl sulfate had no=20 treatment-related abnormalities except for moderate to
    severe dermal = effects.=20 In mutagenesis studies, rats fed 1.13% and 0.56% <FONT=20
    color=3Dred><STRONG>sodium lauryl sulfate </STRONG></FONT>in the diet = for 90=20 days
    produced no more chromosomal aberrations or clastogenic effects = than did=20 a control diet.
    <FONT color=3Dred><STRONG>Sodium lauryl sulfate=20 </STRONG></FONT>was tested for human skin
    irritation in concentrations = ranging=20 from 0.1% to 10%. Open patches were less irritating
    than closed = patches, and=20 irritation increased directly with concentration. Similar
    results were =

    obtained when formulations containing sodium and ammonium lauryl = sulfate were=20 tested. No UV
    light sensitization occurred from any formulation in = this latter=20 study. Both sodium and
    ammonium lauryl sulfate appear to be safe in=20 formulations designed for discontinuous, brief use
    followed by = thorough=20 rinsing from the surface of the skin. In products intended for =
    prolonged=20 contact with skin, concentrations should not exceed 1%. </DD>
    <DX> </DD>
    <DY> </DD></DL>
    <DIV>Clearly, one is toxic, one is not. One is used in products, one is = not.=20 Read the labels
    and see for yourself.</DIV>
    <> </DIV>
    <>IOW, this poster is a liar. </DIV>
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  4. sodium laureth sulfate also known as soap.

    kills marine organisms true kills germs also

    no safety guidelines why, because it is non-toxic.

    hyperbole and exaggeration.

    j

    organic living is preternaturally paranoid.
     
  5. Dear Mr Wright..

    Or should I say.. Mr Wrong.. Firstly, we don't use an email address for posting, because bots pick
    it up and add it to various mailing list. I think everyone knows this. Secondly if you read the
    whole document you would have found contact details. And thirdly.. Your OPINION is welcome but it is
    just that an Opinion and an un-informed one at that.

    > But it's the usual set of lies about propylene glycol, SLS and SLES. Carefully worded to make them
    > sound just awful. I could make water sound awful if I were as inventive as these jerks. (Which I
    > actually am, but it's not worth the effort.)

    Again your uniformed opinion. Peoples health is worth the effort to correct your gibberish.

    > >I URGE YOU..
    > >
    > >DO NOT JUST ACCEPT IT. Investigate it yourself!
    >
    > Yep. And if you'll do, you'll discover that the anonymous poster (don't you love spammers who use
    > anti-spam precautions?) is lying his or her ass off.

    Not quite.. 1. Contact details were included. And these are NOT lies. Unless Material Safety Data
    sheets Lie? These are industry records not our own make believe.. This posted was posted to
    appropriate groups of interest. So you don't see it as an important issue. Well many Including
    myself, do. Again your misinformed opinion..

    > >DID YOU KNOW? In 1901 cancer was considered a rare disease. Statistics show that 1 out of 1000
    > >developed some form of cancer. Today, according to the American Cancer Society, 1 out of 4 people
    > >develop some form of cancer requiring medical intervention.
    >
    > That's because cancer is primarily a disease of older people. In 1901, life expectancy at
    > birth as 47.

    Statistical Rubbish. You believe anything you are fed. Go look into it yourself. Like you say,
    anything can be presented in a negative fashion. Just like these statistics often touted by the
    Pharma/Medico industry. The statistical error comes from the fact that pre the Surgical Revolution
    over the last 100 years There was a 1in7 chance of Infant Death at Birth and another 1 in 7 chance
    of the Mother dying during birth. So we had 1 in 4.5 people dying at the average age of 10yr old. A
    huge statistical flaw when making claims that We all get cancer now because were all getting older.
    What rubbish. How many young men, women and children are dying of this epidemic. Go do some real
    research, everyone knows the party line already.. Nothing new there. Although it keeps people from
    asking what the biggest killer is in the western world?

    Do you know the answer Mr Wright?

    > >TOOTHPASTE containing Fluoride is poisonous!
    >
    > That's why you're not supposed to swallow it, a precaution that anyone over the age of 7 should be
    > able to handle just fine.

    Just like cigarettes, every does of this crap puts load on your immune system. Add that to every
    other piece of garbage you put into your body via skin, air and mouth, and the chemical cocktail
    adds up.. many of these chemicals stay in your system for weeks on end. Everyday you apply more and
    more. And what about people with chemical sensitivities.. Your ignorance and arrogance astounds me..

    THE Proof is in the results people get when they make this life style change. Argue all you want,
    Ill take my knowledge from Nature and the results I see. Its clear you didn't even read the whole
    thing. The fertility issue is extremely relevant and I have seen this method save a lot of people
    pain and heart ache.

    > -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost
    > always correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my
    > shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

    You like to you are "Almost Always correct.." geez gimme a break.. have a nice life.. It will
    probably be a short one.
     
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    Re: your barmicidal post..=20

    The info you found below may sound ok to you.. But you might want to get = your head around the fact
    that many products now have to lists = ingredients in personal care items from highest content, to
    lowest = content. Both these ingredients are found in a range of products. You = will usually find
    SLS in the top 3. (Both forms are still widely used.. = Like you say.. yes One is "clearly" MORE
    Toxic than the other.. Check = next time your at the supermakret and see..) Secondly.. the chemicals
    = are the same in the fact that one is prepared from the other.. Thirdly = one of the biggest issues
    with these surfactants is a thing called = synergy.. You can, if you feel so inclined look further
    into it. In = respect of brevity that one paragraph was enough to prompt someone to = investigate
    for themselves. I would not be recomending that anyone = continue this lab study on their children.
    Especially new born babies.

    And lastly.. you have to be severely intellectually challenged by taking = chemistry research data
    that has more than a 20year Old Date! You = should have thrown in the Chemical report that said
    chemicals cannot = penetrate the skin while you were at it.. Or those the early J.A.M.A. = Studies
    that said Smoking did not cause cancer? Or that Mercury in baby = teething gels was safe!

    You also might want to consider the ethics of companies that have "Not = Tested On Animals" labels
    on products that contain these cocktails of = toxic chemicals that were tested on animals too. But I
    am sure that = wouldn't bother you.. But maybe others..

    So please forgive me Mr Probertios for trying to help educate people = about these issues as well as
    providing the same solution I use for = myself and my family. Solutions that have been a major part
    of = successful infertility treatment, that the J.AMA has not even given 1 = column centimetre of
    space to promote. Wouldn't want to jeopardise all = that money that pours into the industry from IVF
    treatment. Expensive = isn't it! Who would have thought that going on an organic diet (Free = from
    toxic pesticides and other nasties) coupled with detoxing your body = and home would have better
    results than the leading fertility = treatments. And for litteral pennies in comparison.=20

    Hows the saying go..?

    All truth passes through 3 stages..First it is ridiculed.. Then it is = violently opposed, then it
    is accepted as if it was known all along..

    Markiosi Probertios1 <[email protected]> wrote in message =
    news:[email protected]... It is always interesting to read these
    assholes postings to the point = of the first deception. One need not go far in this one....
    "Organic Living" <[email protected]> wrote in message = news:[email protected]...

    MOTHERS PROTECT YOUR CHILDREN=20

    WHAT You are about to READ may shock you. It may enrage you, you = may wonder how is this
    possible? But..

    I URGE YOU..

    DO NOT JUST ACCEPT IT. Investigate it yourself!

    DO NOT JUST IGNORE IT. For it won't go away!

    DO NOT DISBELIEVE IT. Ignorance is a curse.

    Find out the Truth!=20

    =20

    BABY SHAMPOO and BUBBLE BATH contain a primary toxic ingredient = Sodium Lauryl/Laureth
    Sulphate (SLS).=20

    There are TWO chemicals menioned here: sodium lauryl sulphate and = sodium laureth sulphate. They
    are NOT the same.=20

    Source: TA:J Am Coll Toxicol Vol:2 5(1983) pp1-34

    Abstract:=20

    Sodium laureth sulfate and ammonium laureth sulfate are used in = cosmetic products as cleansing
    agents, emulsifiers, stabilizers, and = solubilizers. The ingredients have been shown to produce
    eye and/or skin = irritation in experimental animals and in some human test subjects; =
    irritation may occur in some users of cosmetic formulations containing = the ingredients under
    consideration. The irritant effects are similar to = those produced by other detergents, and the
    severity of the irritation = appears to increase directly with concentration. However, sodium
    and = ammonium laureth sulfate have not evoked adverse resonses in any other = toxicological
    testing. On the basis of available information, the panel = concludes that sodium laureth
    sulfate and ammonium laureth sulfate are = safe as presently used in cosmetic products.=20

    Source: TA:J Am Coll Toxicol Vol:2 7(1983) pp127-81

    Abstract:=20

    Sodium and ammonium lauryl sulfate are surfactants used in cosmetics = as cleansing agents. In
    absorption, metabolism, and excretion studies, = sodium lauryl sulfate had a degenerative effect
    on the cell membranes = because of its protein denaturing properties. Low levels of skin =
    penetration may occur at high use concentration. Sodium lauryl sulfate = had an LD50 of 0.8 to
    1.10 g/kg in rats. A formulation containing 15% = ammonium lauryl sulfate caused depression,
    labored breathing, diarrhea, = and death in four out of 20 animals. In acute ocular tests, 10%
    sodium = lauryl sulfate caused corneal damage to the rabbits'eyes if not = irrigated, or if
    irrigation was delayed. A Draize test of a product = containing 5.1% sodium lauryl sulfate
    caused mild irritation, and = products containing 21% detergent were severely irritating with no
    = rinse, and mildly irritating when rinsed. Ammonium lauryl sulfate = solutions containing 1.25%-
    27.4% detergent showed increasing irritation = with increasing concentration; rinsing decreased
    irritation. Acute = animal skin irritation studies of 0.5%-10% sodium lauryl sulfate caused =
    slight to moderate irritation. Applications of 10%-30% detergent caused = skin corrosion and
    severe irritation. Solutions of 2%, 10%, and 20% = ammonium lauryl sulfate were highly
    irritating and dangerous. One = percent and 5% sodium lauryl sulfate produced a significant
    number of = comedones when applied to the pinna of albino rabbits. A chronic oral = feeding
    study in rats of 0.25%, 0.5%, and 1.0% sodium lauryl sulfate in = the diet for two years
    produced no abnormalities. A 91-day percutaneous = toxicity study of a shampoo containing 17.5%
    ammonium lauryl sulfate had = no treatment-related abnormalities except for moderate to severe
    dermal = effects. In mutagenesis studies, rats fed 1.13% and 0.56% sodium lauryl = sulfate in
    the diet for 90 days produced no more chromosomal aberrations = or clastogenic effects than did
    a control diet. Sodium lauryl sulfate = was tested for human skin irritation in concentrations
    ranging from 0.1% = to 10%. Open patches were less irritating than closed patches, and =
    irritation increased directly with concentration. Similar results were = obtained when
    formulations containing sodium and ammonium lauryl sulfate = were tested. No UV light
    sensitization occurred from any formulation in = this latter study. Both sodium and ammonium
    lauryl sulfate appear to be = safe in formulations designed for discontinuous, brief use
    followed by = thorough rinsing from the surface of the skin. In products intended for =
    prolonged contact with skin, concentrations should not exceed 1%.=20
    =20

    Clearly, one is toxic, one is not. One is used in products, one is = not. Read the labels and see
    for yourself.

    IOW, this poster is a liar.=20

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    <><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
    <><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The info you found below may sound ok = to you.. But=20 you might
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    personal care items from highest content, to lowest =

    content. Both these ingredients are found in a range of products. You=20 will usually find SLS
    in the top 3. (Both forms are still = widely=20 used.. Like you say.. yes One is "clearly" MORE
    Toxic than the other.. = Check=20 next time your at the supermakret and see..) Secondly.. the =
    chemicals are=20 the same in the fact that one is prepared from the other.. Thirdly = one
    of=20 the biggest issues with these surfactants is a thing called synergy.. = You can,=20 if you
    feel so inclined look further into it. In respect of = brevity that=20 one paragraph was
    enough to prompt someone to investigate for = themselves. =20 I would not be recomending that
    anyone continue this lab study on their=20 children. Especially new born babies.</FONT></DIV>
    <><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
    <><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>And lastly.. you have to be severely = intellectually=20
    challenged by taking chemistry research data that has more than=20 a 20year
    Old Date! You should have thrown in the = Chemical report=20 that said chemicals
    cannot penetrate the skin while you were at=20 it.. </FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Or
    those the early =
    J.A.M.A.=20 Studies that said Smoking did not cause cancer? Or that Mercury in baby = teething=20
    gels was safe!</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
    <><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>You also might want to consider the = ethics of=20 companies that
    have "Not Tested On Animals" labels on products that = contain=20 these cocktails of toxic
    chemicals that were tested on animals = too. =20 But I am sure that wouldn't bother
    you.. But maybe = others..</FONT></DIV>
    <><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
    <><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>So please forgive me Mr Probertios = for trying=20 to help
    educate people about these issues as well as providing the = same=20 solution I use for
    myself and my family. Solutions that have been a = major=20 part of successful infertility
    treatment, that the J.AMA has not even = given 1=20 column centimetre of space to
    promote. Wouldn't want to jeopardise = all=20 that money that pours into the
    industry from IVF treatment. = Expensive=20 isn't it! Who would have thought
    that going on an organic = diet (Free=20 from toxic pesticides and other nasties) coupled
    with detoxing your=20 body and home would have better results than the leading
    fertility=20 treatments. And for litteral pennies in comparison. </FONT></DIV>
    <><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
    <><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hows the saying go..?</FONT></DIV>
    <> </DIV>
    <><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>All truth passes through 3 = stages..</FONT><FONT=20 face=3DArial
    size=3D2>First it is ridiculed.. Then it is violently = opposed, then it=20 is accepted as if
    it was known all along..</FONT></DIV>
    <><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
    <><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
    <>Markiosi Probertios1 <<A=20
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    <>"Organic Living" <<A = href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</A>>=20 wrote in
    message <A=20
    =
    href=3D"news:[email protected]">news:_vevb.59$GB2.24=
    [email protected]</A>...</DIV><FONT=20 face=3DArial><FONT size=3D2>
    <P></P>
    <DIV><DIV=20 style=3D"BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; PADDING-RIGHT: 1pt; = BORDER-TOP:
    windowtext 0.5pt solid; PADDING-LEFT: 1pt; BACKGROUND: = black; PADDING-BOTTOM: 1pt; BORDER-
    LEFT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; = PADDING-TOP: 1pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid">
    <H4=20 style=3D"BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; BORDER-TOP: = medium none;
    PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm = 0pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none;
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    12.0pt"><EM>MOTHERS<o:p></o:p></EM></SPAN></H4> <H4=20 style=3D"BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-
    RIGHT: 0cm; BORDER-TOP: = medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm =
    0pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium = none; TEXT-ALIGN:
    center; mso-padding-alt: 1.0pt 1.0pt 1.0pt 1.0pt; = mso-border-alt: solid windowtext .5pt"=20
    align=3Dcenter><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 20pt; COLOR: white; mso-bidi-font-size: =
    13.0pt"><EM>PROTECT=20 YOUR CHILDREN</EM></SPAN><B><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:
    Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: =
    14.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></B></H4></DIV> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;
    TEXT-ALIGN: = center"=20 align=3Dcenter><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 8pt; mso-bidi-font-size: =
    15.0pt"></SPAN> </P> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: =
    center"=20 align=3Dcenter><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 8pt; mso-bidi-font-size: =
    16.0pt"><FONT=20 size=3D3><STRONG><EM>WHAT You are about to READ may <U>shock</U> = you. It=20
    may <U>enrage</U> you, you may wonder <U>how is this possible</U>?=20
    But..</EM></STRONG></FONT></SPAN></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-
    ALIGN: = center"=20 align=3Dcenter><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 8pt; mso-bidi-font-size: =
    17.0pt"><FONT=20 size=3D3><STRONG><EM></EM></STRONG></FONT></SPAN> </P> <P class=3DMsoNormal
    style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: = center"=20 align=3Dcenter><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE:
    8pt; mso-bidi-font-size: =
    18.0pt"><FONT=20 color=3D#ff0000 size=3D4><STRONG><EM><U>I URGE=20
    YOU..</U></EM></STRONG></FONT></SPAN></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-
    ALIGN: = center"=20 align=3Dcenter><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 8pt; mso-bidi-font-size: =
    19.0pt"><FONT=20 size=3D3><EM><STRONG>DO NOT JUST ACCEPT IT.</STRONG> = Investigate it=20
    yourself!</EM></FONT></SPAN></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: =
    center"=20 align=3Dcenter><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 8pt; mso-bidi-font-size: =
    20.0pt"><FONT=20 size=3D3><EM><STRONG>DO NOT JUST IGNORE IT.</STRONG> For it = won't go=20
    away!</EM></FONT></SPAN></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: =
    center"=20 align=3Dcenter><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 8pt; mso-bidi-font-size: =
    21.0pt"><FONT=20 size=3D3><EM><STRONG>DO NOT DISBELIEVE IT.</STRONG> Ignorance is a=20
    curse.</EM></FONT></SPAN></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: =
    center"=20 align=3Dcenter><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 8pt; mso-bidi-font-size: =
    22.0pt"><FONT=20 color=3D#008080 = size=3D3><EM><STRONG></STRONG></EM></FONT></SPAN> </P> <P
    class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: = center"=20 align=3Dcenter><SPAN style=3D"FONT-
    SIZE: 8pt; mso-bidi-font-size: =
    23.0pt"><FONT=20 color=3D#008080 size=3D3><EM><STRONG>Find out the Truth!=20
    </STRONG></EM></FONT></SPAN></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: =
    center"=20 align=3Dcenter><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 8pt; mso-bidi-font-size: =
    24.0pt"></SPAN> </P> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: =
    center"=20 align=3Dcenter><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 8pt; mso-bidi-font-size: =
    25.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal=20 style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-
    ALIGN: justify"><B><U>BABY = SHAMPOO</U></B>=20 and <B><U>BUBBLE BATH</U></B> contain a primary
    toxic ingredient = Sodium=20 Lauryl/Laureth Sulphate (SLS). </P></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <P
    class=3DMsoNormal dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify"> </P> <P
    class=3DMsoNormal dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify">There are TWO =
    chemicals=20 menioned here: sodium lauryl sulphate and sodium laureth sulphate. = They are=20 NOT
    the same. </P> <P class=3DMsoNormal dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN:
    justify"> </P>
    <P><STRONG>Source:</STRONG> TA:J Am Coll Toxicol Vol:2 5(1983) = pp1-34<BR>
    <Q><STRONG>Abstract:</STRONG>=20
    <DL>
    <DT>
    <DU><FONT color=3Dred><STRONG>Sodium</STRONG></FONT> <FONT=20
    color=3Dred><STRONG>laureth</STRONG></FONT> <FONT=20
    color=3Dred><STRONG>sulfate</STRONG></FONT> and ammonium <FONT=20
    color=3Dred><STRONG>laureth</STRONG></FONT> <FONT=20
    color=3Dred><STRONG>sulfate</STRONG></FONT> are used in cosmetic = products as=20 cleansing
    agents, emulsifiers, stabilizers, and solubilizers. The=20 ingredients have been shown to
    produce eye and/or skin irritation in =

    experimental animals and in some human test subjects; irritation may = occur=20 in some users of
    cosmetic formulations containing the ingredients = under=20 consideration. The irritant effects
    are similar to those produced by = other=20 detergents, and the severity of the irritation
    appears to increase = directly=20 with concentration. However, <FONT =
    color=3Dred><STRONG>sodium</STRONG></FONT>=20 and ammonium <FONT
    color=3Dred><STRONG>laureth</STRONG></FONT> <FONT =

    color=3Dred><STRONG>sulfate</STRONG></FONT> have not evoked adverse = resonses=20 in any other
    toxicological testing. On the basis of available = information,=20 the panel concludes that
    <FONT = color=3Dred><STRONG>sodium</STRONG></FONT>=20 <FONT
    color=3Dred><STRONG>laureth</STRONG></FONT> <FONT=20 color=3Dred><STRONG>sulfate</STRONG></FONT>
    and ammonium <FONT=20 color=3Dred><STRONG>laureth</STRONG></FONT> <FONT=20
    color=3Dred><STRONG>sulfate</STRONG></FONT> are safe as presently = used in=20 cosmetic
    products. </DD></DL>
    <DIV> </DIV>
    <P><STRONG>Source:</STRONG> TA:J Am Coll Toxicol Vol:2 7(1983) = pp127-81<BR>
    <Q><STRONG>Abstract:</STRONG>=20
    <DL>
    <DV>
    <DW>Sodium and ammonium lauryl sulfate are surfactants used in = cosmetics as=20 cleansing
    agents. In absorption, metabolism, and excretion studies, = <FONT=20
    color=3Dred><STRONG>sodium lauryl sulfate </STRONG></FONT>had a = degenerative=20 effect on
    the cell membranes because of its protein denaturing = properties.=20 Low levels of skin
    penetration may occur at high use concentration. = <FONT=20 color=3Dred><STRONG>Sodium
    lauryl sulfate </STRONG></FONT>had an = LD50 of 0.8=20 to 1.10 g/kg in rats. A formulation
    containing 15% ammonium lauryl = sulfate=20 caused depression, labored breathing, diarrhea,
    and death in four = out of 20=20 animals. In acute ocular tests, 10% <FONT
    color=3Dred><STRONG>sodium = lauryl=20 sulfate </STRONG></FONT>caused corneal damage to the
    rabbits'eyes if = not=20 irrigated, or if irrigation was delayed. A Draize test of a
    product=20 containing 5.1% <FONT color=3Dred><STRONG>sodium lauryl sulfate=20
    </STRONG></FONT>caused mild irritation, and products containing 21%=20 detergent were
    severely irritating with no rinse, and mildly = irritating when=20 rinsed. Ammonium lauryl
    sulfate solutions containing 1.25%-27.4% = detergent=20 showed increasing irritation with
    increasing concentration; rinsing=20 decreased irritation. Acute animal skin irritation
    studies of = .5%-10% <FONT=20 color=3Dred><STRONG>sodium lauryl sulfate
    </STRONG></FONT>caused = slight to=20 moderate irritation. Applications of 10%-30% detergent
    caused skin = corrosion=20 and severe irritation. Solutions of 2%, 10%, and 20% ammonium
    lauryl = sulfate=20 were highly irritating and dangerous. One percent and 5% <FONT=20
    color=3Dred><STRONG>sodium lauryl sulfate </STRONG></FONT>produced a =

    significant number of comedones when applied to the pinna of albino = rabbits.=20 A chronic oral
    feeding study in rats of 0.25%, 0.5%, and 1.0% <FONT=20 color=3Dred><STRONG>sodium lauryl
    sulfate </STRONG></FONT>in the = diet for two=20 years produced no abnormalities. A 91-day
    percutaneous toxicity = study of a=20 shampoo containing 17.5% ammonium lauryl sulfate had no =
    treatment-related=20 abnormalities except for moderate to severe dermal effects. In =
    mutagenesis=20 studies, rats fed 1.13% and 0.56% <FONT color=3Dred><STRONG>sodium = lauryl=20
    sulfate </STRONG></FONT>in the diet for 90 days produced no more = chromosomal=20 aberrations or
    clastogenic effects than did a control diet. <FONT=20 color=3Dred><STRONG>Sodium lauryl sulfate
    </STRONG></FONT>was tested = for human=20 skin irritation in concentrations ranging from 0.1% to
    10%. Open = patches=20 were less irritating than closed patches, and irritation increased =
    directly=20 with concentration. Similar results were obtained when formulations=20 containing
    sodium and ammonium lauryl sulfate were tested. No UV = light=20 sensitization occurred from any
    formulation in this latter study. = Both=20 sodium and ammonium lauryl sulfate appear to be safe
    in formulations =

    designed for discontinuous, brief use followed by thorough rinsing = from the=20 surface of the
    skin. In products intended for prolonged contact with = skin,=20 concentrations should not
    exceed 1%.=20
    <DX>=20
    <DY> </DD></DL>
    <DIV>Clearly, one is toxic, one is not. One is used in products, one = is not.=20 Read the labels
    and see for yourself.</DIV>
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    <>IOW, this poster is a liar. </DIV>
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  7. "Say not the Struggle nought Availeth" <> wrote in message
    >>
    > organic living is preternaturally paranoid.
    >

    Yah, so they can SELL more products!
     
  8. Zannah

    Zannah Guest

    In article <y%[email protected]>,
    [email protected] (David Wright) wrote:

    > In article <[email protected]>, Organic Living <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >-=-=-=-=-=-
    > >
    > >
    > >MOTHERS PROTECT YOUR CHILDREN
    > >
    > >WHAT You are about to READ may shock you. It may enrage you, you may wonder how is this
    > >possible? But..
    >
    > But it's the usual set of lies about propylene glycol, SLS and SLES. Carefully worded to make them
    > sound just awful. I could make water sound awful if I were as inventive as these jerks. (Which I
    > actually am, but it's not worth the effort.)

    Anyway, someone beat you to it. Look at http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html if you want to see the
    dangers of water.

    Zannah.
     
  9. "Organic Living" <> wrote in message > Dear Mr Wright..
    >This posted was posted to appropriate groups of interest.

    EXCUSE ME?

    Posting a "warning" to *MOTHERS* on an **INFERTILITY** NG is APPROPRIATE??

    (shall I bother mention the netiquette breech of using rich text?)

    *sigh*
     
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    "Organic Living" <[email protected]> wrote in message =
    news:[email protected]... Re: your barmicidal post..=20

    The info you found below may sound ok to you.. But you might want to = get your head around the
    fact that many products now have to lists = ingredients in personal care items from highest
    content, to lowest = content. Both these ingredients are found in a range of products. You = will
    usually find SLS in the top 3. (Both forms are still widely used..=20

    First, stop posting in HTML.

    Second, prove that both are used, that the amount used is of a doseage = which can be toxic.=20

    Like you say.. yes One is "clearly" MORE Toxic than the other.. Check = next time your at the
    supermakret and see..) Secondly.. the chemicals = are the same in the fact that one is prepared
    from the other.. =20

    No, that is NOT true, as the studies I posted clearly show. they are NOT = chemically the same. The
    only thing that is similar is the names, and, = that is what lying spammers, like yourself, are
    relying on to shill for = their lying companies.=20

    What you are doing is propagating an urban legend:

    http://www.snopes.com/toxins/shampoo.htm

    Thirdly one of the biggest issues with these surfactants is a thing = called synergy.. You can, if
    you feel so inclined look further into it. = In respect of brevity that one paragraph was enough
    to prompt someone to = investigate for themselves. I would not be recomending that anyone =
    continue this lab study on their children. Especially new born babies.

    Talk about scaremongering.=20

    And lastly.. you have to be severely intellectually challenged by = taking chemistry research data
    that has more than a 20year Old Date! = You should have thrown in the Chemical report that said
    chemicals cannot = penetrate the skin while you were at it.. Or those the early J.A.M.A. = Studies
    that said Smoking did not cause cancer? Or that Mercury in baby = teething gels was safe!

    Can you point out where it has changed? I took the data from the NIH = ToxNET website. It is the
    premier source for toxicology information.=20

    You also might want to consider the ethics of companies that have "Not = Tested On Animals" labels
    on products that contain these cocktails of = toxic chemicals that were tested on animals too. But
    I am sure that = wouldn't bother you.. But maybe others..

    G-d put animals on earth so man could use them.=20

    So please forgive me Mr Probertios for trying to help educate people = about these issues as well
    as providing the same solution I use for = myself and my family.=20

    I never forgive lying MLM scammers.=20

    Solutions that have been a major part of successful infertility = treatment, that the J.AMA has
    not even given 1 column centimetre of = space to promote. =20

    JAMA does not promote anything that does not past rigorous testing. = Obviously, yours flunked.=20

    Wouldn't want to jeopardise all that money that pours into the = industry from IVF treatment.
    Expensive isn't it! Who would have = thought that going on an organic diet (Free from toxic
    pesticides and = other nasties) coupled with detoxing your body and home would have = better
    results than the leading fertility treatments. And for litteral = pennies in comparison.=20

    Another detoxer! I just love you detoxers.=20

    Hows the saying go..?

    All truth passes through 3 stages..First it is ridiculed.. Then it is = violently opposed, then it
    is accepted as if it was known all along..

    I am sorry to see you at stage 1.=20

    If I were you, I would be more worried about DiHydrogen Monoxide. It is = a proven dangerous
    substance, and is found worldwide. The fact that it = is all natural is no protectant. In fact, the
    discoverer of the danger = of this chemical substance won a science fair!

    Dihydrogen monoxide is colorless, odorless, tasteless, and kills = uncounted thousands of people
    every year. Most of these deaths are = caused by accidental inhalation of DHMO, but the dangers of
    dihydrogen = monoxide do not end there. Prolonged exposure to its solid form causes = severe tissue
    damage. Symptoms of DHMO ingestion can include excessive = sweating and urination, and possibly a
    bloated feeling, nausea, vomiting = and body electrolyte imbalance. For those who have become
    dependent, = DHMO withdrawal means certain death.=20 Dihydrogen monoxide:=20

    a.. is also known as hydroxl acid, and is the major component of acid = rain.=20
    b.. contributes to the "greenhouse effect."=20
    c.. may cause severe burns.=20
    d.. contributes to the erosion of our natural landscape.=20
    e.. accelerates corrosion and rusting of many metals.=20
    f.. may cause electrical failures and decreased effectiveness of = automobile brakes.=20
    g.. has been found in excised tumors of terminal cancer patients.=20 Contamination is reaching
    epidemic proportions!=20

    Quantities of dihydrogen monoxide have been found in almost every = stream, lake, and reservoir in
    America today. But the pollution is = global, and the contaminant has even been found in Antarctic
    ice. DHMO = has caused millions of dollars of property damage in the midwest, and = recently
    California.=20

    Despite the danger, dihydrogen monoxide is often used:=20

    h.. as an industrial solvent and coolant.=20
    i.. in nuclear power plants.=20
    j.. in the production of styrofoam.=20
    k.. as a fire retardant.=20
    l.. in many forms of cruel animal research.=20
    m.. in the distribution of pesticides. Even after washing, produce = remains contaminated by this
    chemical.=20
    n.. as an additive in certain "junk-foods" and other food products.=20 Companies dump waste DHMO
    into rivers and the ocean, and nothing can be = done to stop them because this practice is still
    legal. The impact on = wildlife is extreme, and we cannot afford to ignore it any longer!=20

    The American government has refused to ban the production, distribution, = or use of this damaging
    chemical due to its "importance to the economic = health of this nation." In fact, the navy and
    other military = organizations are conducting experiments with DHMO, and designing = multi-billion
    dollar devices to control and utilize it during warfare = situations. Hundreds of military research
    facilities receive tons of it = through a highly sophisticated underground distribution network.
    Many = store large quantities for later use.=20

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    message <A=20
    =
    href=3D"news:[email protected]">news:7lqvb.372$GB2.=
    [email protected]</A>...</DIV>
    <><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Re: your barmicidal post.. = </FONT></DIV>
    <><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
    <><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The info you found below may sound ok = to you..=20 But you might
    want to get your head around the fact that many products = now=20 have to lists ingredients
    in personal care items from highest content, = to=20 lowest content. Both these ingredients
    are found in a range of = products. You=20 will usually find SLS in the top
    3. (Both forms are still = widely=20 used.. </FONT></DIV>
    <><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT
    face=3DArial size=3D2>First, stop posting in = HTML.</FONT></DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT
    face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Second,
    prove that both are = used, that the=20 amount used is of a doseage which can be toxic.
    </FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-
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    <><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
    <><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
    <><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Like you say.. yes One is "clearly" = MORE Toxic=20 than the
    other.. Check next time your at the supermakret and=20 see..) Secondly.. the chemicals
    are the same in the fact that one = is=20 prepared from the other.. </FONT></DIV>
    <><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT
    face=3DArial size=3D2>No, that is NOT true, as the = studies I=20 posted clearly show. they
    are NOT chemically the same. The only thing = that is=20 similar is the names, and, that is
    what lying spammers, like yourself, = are=20 relying on to shill for their lying companies.
    </FONT></DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV
    dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>What you are doing is = propagating an urban=20
    legend:</FONT></DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV
    dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
    href=3D"http://www.snopes.com/toxins/shampoo.htm">http://www.snopes.com/t=
    oxins/shampoo.htm</A></FONT></DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial
    size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-
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    <><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
    <><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thirdly one of the biggest issues = with these=20 surfactants is
    a thing called synergy.. You can, if you feel so = inclined look=20 further into it. In
    respect of brevity that one paragraph was = enough to=20 prompt someone to investigate for
    themselves. I would not be = recomending=20 that anyone continue this lab study on
    their children. Especially new = born=20 babies.</FONT></DIV>
    <><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT
    face=3DArial size=3D2>Talk about scaremongering. = </FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-
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    <><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
    <><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>And lastly.. you have to be severely=20 intellectually challenged
    by taking chemistry research data that = has more=20 than a 20year
    Old Date! You should have thrown in the = Chemical=20 report that said chemicals
    cannot penetrate the skin while you were at =

    it.. </FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Or those the early =
    J.A.M.A.=20 Studies that said Smoking did not cause cancer? Or that Mercury in = baby=20 teething
    gels was safe!</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT
    face=3DArial size=3D2>Can you point out where it = has changed? I=20 took the data from the
    NIH ToxNET website. It is the premier source for=20 toxicology information. </FONT></DIV>
    <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
    BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
    <><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
    <><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>You also might want to consider the = ethics of=20 companies that
    have "Not Tested On Animals" labels on products that = contain=20 these cocktails of
    toxic chemicals that were tested on animals = too. =20 But I am sure that wouldn't
    bother you.. But maybe = others..</FONT></DIV>
    <><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT
    face=3DArial size=3D2>G-d put animals on earth so = man could use=20 them. </FONT></DIV>
    <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
    BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
    <><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
    <><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>So please forgive me Mr = Probertios for=20 trying to help
    educate people about these issues as well as = providing the=20 same solution I use for
    myself and my family. </FONT></DIV>
    <><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT
    face=3DArial size=3D2>I never forgive lying MLM = scammers.=20 </FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE
    dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT:
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    <><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
    <><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Solutions that have been a major = part of=20 successful
    infertility treatment, that the J.AMA has not even given 1 = column=20 centimetre of space to
    promote. </FONT></DIV>
    <><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT
    face=3DArial size=3D2>JAMA does not promote = anything that does=20 not past rigorous
    testing. Obviously, yours flunked. </FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-
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    <><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
    <><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Wouldn't want to jeopardise all that = money that=20 pours into
    the industry from IVF treatment. Expensive isn't =

    it! Who would have thought that going on an organic diet = (Free from=20 toxic
    pesticides and other nasties) coupled with detoxing your = body and=20 home would have better
    results than the leading fertility = treatments. And=20 for litteral pennies in comparison.
    </FONT></DIV>
    <><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT
    face=3DArial size=3D2>Another detoxer! I just love = you detoxers.=20 </FONT></DIV>
    <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
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    <><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
    <><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hows the saying go..?</FONT></DIV>
    <> </DIV>
    <><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>All truth passes through 3 = stages..</FONT><FONT=20 face=3DArial
    size=3D2>First it is ridiculed.. Then it is violently = opposed, then=20 it is accepted as if
    it was known all along..</FONT></DIV>
    <><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT
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    dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial
    size=3D2>If I were you, I would be = more worried=20 about DiHydrogen Monoxide. It is a
    proven dangerous substance, and is = found=20 worldwide. The fact that it is all natural is
    no protectant. In fact, = the=20 discoverer of the danger of this chemical substance won a
    science=20 fair!</FONT></DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr> </DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr>Dihydrogen monoxide
    is colorless, odorless, tasteless, = and kills=20 uncounted thousands of people every year.
    Most of these deaths are = caused by=20 accidental inhalation of DHMO, but the dangers of
    dihydrogen monoxide do = not end=20 there. Prolonged exposure to its solid form causes severe
    tissue damage. =

    Symptoms of DHMO ingestion can include excessive sweating and urination, = and=20 possibly a bloated
    feeling, nausea, vomiting and body electrolyte = imbalance. For=20 those who have become dependent,
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    <P>Dihydrogen monoxide:=20
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  11. "Organic Living" <[email protected]> schreef in bericht
    news:[email protected]l.com.au...
    Re: your barmicidal post..

    > The info you found below may sound ok to you.. But you might want to get
    your head around the fact that many products now have to lists ingredients in
    > personal care items from highest content, to lowest content. Both these
    ingredients are found in a range of products. You will usually find SLS in the top 3. (Both
    > forms are still widely used.. Like you say.. yes One is "clearly" MORE
    Toxic than the other.. Check next time your at the supermakret and see..) Secondly.. the
    > chemicals are the same in the fact that one is prepared from the other..
    Thirdly one of the biggest issues with these surfactants is a thing called synergy.. You can,
    > if you feel so inclined look further into it. In respect of brevity that
    one paragraph was enough to prompt someone to investigate for themselves. I would not be
    > recomending that anyone continue this lab study on their children.
    Especially new born babies.

    You say "the chemicals are the same in the fact that one is prepared from the other". Sodium dodecyl
    sulfate (this is a synonymous term to SLS, I'll refer to SLES as SLES for clarity) is a different
    chemical from SLES. This is a simple fact. You'll probably know that sodiumchloride is made from two
    extremely toxic chemicals, sodium (Na) and chlorine (Cl2). However, the fact that these two
    chemicals combine to form NaCl changes its properties dramatically. So, even if SDS and SLES are
    made from eachother, which I actually doubt, it tells you nothing about the properties of the
    resulting compound.

    --

    Robert Bronsing

    But that's okay, see the children bleed It'll look great on the TV
     
  12. David Wright

    David Wright Guest

    In article <[email protected]>,
    Organic Living <[email protected]> wrote:
    >Dear Mr Wright..
    >
    >Or should I say.. Mr Wrong..

    How original. How amusing. How puerile.

    >Firstly, we don't use an email address for posting, because bots pick it up and add it to various
    >mailing list. I think everyone knows this. Secondly if you read the whole document you would have
    >found contact details. And thirdly.. Your OPINION is welcome but it is just that an Opinion and an
    >un-informed one at that.

    On the contrary, it's an informed opinion. I actually went to the trouble of looking up the MSDS for
    the various compounds. You, on the other hand, simply regurgitate MLM propaganda.

    >> But it's the usual set of lies about propylene glycol, SLS and SLES. Carefully worded to make
    >> them sound just awful. I could make water sound awful if I were as inventive as these jerks.
    >> (Which I actually am, but it's not worth the effort.)
    >
    >Again your uniformed opinion. Peoples health is worth the effort to correct your gibberish.

    My informed opinion. And pardon me, spammer, if I don't see you as the selfless angel you see
    in yourself.

    >Not quite.. 1. Contact details were included. And these are NOT lies. Unless Material Safety Data
    >sheets Lie? These are industry records not our own make believe.. This posted was posted to
    >appropriate groups of interest. So you don't see it as an important issue. Well many Including
    >myself, do. Again your misinformed opinion..

    Yeah, but unlike you, I actually read them. Which informed me that the substances you so revile
    are, in fact, not the health hazards you paint them to be. If they were, I'd have stopped using
    them myself.

    >> >DID YOU KNOW? In 1901 cancer was considered a rare disease. Statistics show that 1 out of 1000
    >> >developed some form of cancer. Today, according to the American Cancer Society, 1 out of 4
    >> >people develop some form of cancer requiring medical intervention.
    >>
    >> That's because cancer is primarily a disease of older people. In 1901, life expectancy at birth
    >> was 47.
    >
    >Statistical Rubbish. You believe anything you are fed.

    That's very humorous, coming from an MLM regurgitator like yourself. What I said was true.

    Also, the recording of health statistics was nowhere near as good in 1901 as it is today.

    >Go look into it yourself. Like you say, anything can be presented in a negative fashion. Just like
    >these statistics often touted by the Pharma/Medico industry. The statistical error comes from the
    >fact that pre the Surgical Revolution over the last 100 years There was a 1in7 chance of Infant
    >Death at Birth and another 1 in 7 chance of the Mother dying during birth. So we had 1 in 4.5
    >people dying at the average age of 10yr old. A huge statistical flaw when making claims that We
    >all get cancer now because were all getting older. What rubbish. How many young men, women and
    >children are dying of this epidemic. Go do some real research, everyone knows the party line
    >already.. Nothing new there. Although it keeps people from asking what the biggest killer is in
    >the western world?

    Heart disease. Next question?

    >> >TOOTHPASTE containing Fluoride is poisonous!
    >>
    >> That's why you're not supposed to swallow it, a precaution that anyone over the age of 7 should
    >> be able to handle just fine.
    >
    >Just like cigarettes, every does of this crap puts load on your immune system.

    It does, eh? What does fluoride that you don't even swallow do to your immune system?

    >THE Proof is in the results people get when they make this life style change. Argue all you want,
    >Ill take my knowledge from Nature and the results I see. Its clear you didn't even read the whole
    >thing. The fertility issue is extremely relevant and I have seen this method save a lot of people
    >pain and heart ache.

    I didn't comment on the fertility issue. Go complain to the people who did.

    >You like to you are "Almost Always correct.." geez gimme a break.. have a nice life.. It will
    >probably be a short one.

    Nope. Good genes. Barring accident, it would not be surprising if I lived to be at least 90.

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always
    correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my
    shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)
     
  13. "Zannah" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > In article <y%[email protected]>, [email protected] (David
    > Wright) wrote:
    >
    > > In article <[email protected]>, Organic Living <[email protected]> wrote:
    > > >-=-=-=-=-=-
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >MOTHERS PROTECT YOUR CHILDREN
    > > >
    > > >WHAT You are about to READ may shock you. It may enrage you, you may wonder how is this
    > > >possible? But..
    > >
    > > But it's the usual set of lies about propylene glycol, SLS and SLES. Carefully worded to make
    > > them sound just awful. I could make water sound awful if I were as inventive as these jerks.
    > > (Which I actually am, but it's not worth the effort.)
    >
    > Anyway, someone beat you to it. Look at http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html if you want to see the
    > dangers of water.

    I tried to point this out upthread,but Organic said 'up yours.'
     
  14. Absolutely its relevant. The post contains some vital information that people deserve to know about.
    Did you miss the part about infertility? Obviously because others didn't.. Of course any having
    fertility problems would like to know what these clinics are doing that are having a 80% success
    rate with Infertility problems. Even with people who failed at IVF and were written off as Totally
    Infertile by the standard treatment process. Do we all have to share our personal traumas for our
    opinions to be treated with respect? I should hope not.. How about a little pro-active information
    exchange instead. I might suggest you actually read the post first.. I don't mean to sound harsh but
    you raise the most mundane issues over such an important one.

    Little Giraffe <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    >
    > "Organic Living" <> wrote in message > Dear Mr Wright..
    > >This posted was posted to appropriate groups of interest.
    >
    > EXCUSE ME?
    >
    > Posting a "warning" to *MOTHERS* on an **INFERTILITY** NG is APPROPRIATE??
    >
    > (shall I bother mention the netiquette breech of using rich text?)
    >
    > *sigh*
     
  15. "Little Giraffe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    >
    > "Organic Living" <> wrote in message > Dear Mr Wright..
    > >This posted was posted to appropriate groups of interest.
    >
    > EXCUSE ME?
    >
    > Posting a "warning" to *MOTHERS* on an **INFERTILITY** NG is APPROPRIATE??
    >
    > (shall I bother mention the netiquette breech of using rich text?)

    Thanks for pointing out the utter inseinsitivity of this liar/spammer. Having gone through
    infertility problems three times with my wife, I know the pain that this twits insensitivity and
    lust for money caused.
     
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    >First, stop posting in HTML.=20

    Whats wrong with HTML? Even you use it below.. It makes things more = readable, and there is no
    difference in size to a small web page. Few = Newsgroups even forbid its use now. This is a legacy
    concept back in = the early days of the Web when many News browsers only supported text. = Are you
    still using a Old DOS/Aplle IIE System along with your 20 Year = Old Chem Research?

    >Second, prove that both are used, that the amount used is of a =
    doseage which can be toxic.=20

    I don't need to prove anything. You can prove it for yourself. Like I = said Go the supermarket.
    And Look on the back of the Shampoo Bottle and = Baby Shampoos.. See for yourself.. Is that
    enough proof?

    Like you say.. yes One is "clearly" MORE Toxic than the other.. = Check next time your at the
    supermakret and see..) Secondly.. the = chemicals are the same in the fact that one is prepared
    from the other.. =
    =20

    >No, that is NOT true, as the studies I posted clearly show. they are =
    NOT chemically the same. The only thing that is similar is the names, = and, that is what lying
    spammers, like yourself, are relying on to shill = for their lying companies.=20

    Of course they are Not chemically the same, or they would be the same = chemical. They have
    similar effects and are closely related. Thus = they were combined into the one group. I meant
    "They are the same in = the fact that one is prepared from the other.." Just a different = process
    is used. Which creates two different compounds i.e. two = different chemicals, thus two different
    chemical names.. This = relationship is WHY they have the similar effects and molecular =
    structure.

    >What you are doing is propagating an urban legend:

    >http://www.snopes.com/toxins/shampoo.htm

    An urban legend for some, a true fact for others.. Like I said, this = information is part of
    fertility treatment that gets better results than =
    IVF.. But you don't seem the least bit interested in that..=20

    Thirdly one of the biggest issues with these surfactants is a thing = called synergy.. You can,
    if you feel so inclined look further into it. = In respect of brevity that one paragraph was
    enough to prompt someone to = investigate for themselves. I would not be recomending that anyone
    = continue this lab study on their children. Especially new born babies.

    >Talk about scaremongering.=20

    Yes be afraid. Fear is a natural emotion designed to keep us from = harm.

    And lastly.. you have to be severely intellectually challenged by = taking chemistry research
    data that has more than a 20year Old Date! = You should have thrown in the Chemical report
    that said chemicals cannot = penetrate the skin while you were at it.. Or those the early
    J.A.M.A. = Studies that said Smoking did not cause cancer? Or that Mercury in baby = teething
    gels was safe!

    >Can you point out where it has changed? I took the data from the NIH =
    ToxNET website. It is the premier source for toxicology information.=20

    Premier source by who's standards? 20 year old Chemical research data = is far from premier.

    You also might want to consider the ethics of companies that have = "Not Tested On Animals"
    labels on products that contain these cocktails = of toxic chemicals that were tested on animals
    too. But I am sure that = wouldn't bother you.. But maybe others..

    >G-d put animals on earth so man could use them.=20

    I didn't think this would bother you.. There is a difference between = "USE" and "Dominion Over"..
    A Big difference.. We have choice in our = relationship with Nature. Some people choose to USE and
    ABUSE it.. = Other prefer to work with it and cherish it. I see where you fit in.

    So please forgive me Mr Probertios for trying to help educate people = about these issues as
    well as providing the same solution I use for = myself and my family.=20

    >I never forgive lying MLM scammers.=20

    yeh whatever.. I think someone also said "Forgive and you will be = forgiven.." So I forgive you
    for your arorgance and ignorance. Its = just a shame Ignorance isn't painful.

    Solutions that have been a major part of successful infertility = treatment, that the J.AMA has
    not even given 1 column centimetre of = space to promote. =20

    >JAMA does not promote anything that does not past rigorous testing. =
    Obviously, yours flunked.=20

    Not quite.. You have no clue..

    Wouldn't want to jeopardise all that money that pours into the = industry from IVF treatment.
    Expensive isn't it! Who would have = thought that going on an organic diet (Free from toxic
    pesticides and = other nasties) coupled with detoxing your body and home would have = better
    results than the leading fertility treatments. And for litteral = pennies in comparison.=20

    >Another detoxer! I just love you detoxers.=20

    Hows the saying go..?

    All truth passes through 3 stages..First it is ridiculed.. Then it =
    is violently opposed, then it is accepted as if it was known all along..

    >I am sorry to see you at stage 1.=20

    Yes shows you know nothing about medical/pharma politics or what is = going on right now in the
    world, to violent opposition occuring against = alternate health and the Pharma Monopolies trying
    desperately to reclaim = back the 60% market share they have lost over the last decade to Alt =
    treatments that actualy get results. This 60% market share has been = distributed to many more
    small businesses and individul practitioners = rather than a select few corporate giants who
    worship the bottom dollar, = for more so than they are interested in your health and well being.

    Crawl back under your bridge troll, your a tool and am I not even = going to bother with any
    further communication.. You have no real = interest what soever in the issues presented.. For
    someone who claims to = have been effected by them, you seem remarkably intolerant of anothers =
    point of view who is also speaking from personal experience.

    >If I were you, I would be more worried about DiHydrogen Monoxide. It =
    is a proven dangerous substance, and is found worldwide. The fact that = it is all natural is no
    protectant. In fact, the discoverer of the = danger of this chemical substance won a science fair!

    You are a total fool. Maybe we could be so lucky and you would believe = the crap below.. Maybe
    you should do the world a favour and stop = taking/using "Dihydrogen monoxide" yourself. Then we
    could all happily = bury you in 3 days time.

    "He was a Man of Pride and Arrogance.." "Stubborn and Unrelenting.." "Rude and obnoxious.."
    "Supported animal cruelty for the benefit of his ilk.." "But at least he died practicing what he
    preached.." "Everyone has a good point.. He actually believed his own garbage.." "May He RIP.."

    --- OMG MORE HTML Above and Below.. Run for the hills.. ---

    Dihydrogen monoxide is colorless, odorless, tasteless, and kills = uncounted thousands of people
    every year. Most of these deaths are = caused by accidental inhalation of DHMO, but the dangers of
    dihydrogen = monoxide do not end there. Prolonged exposure to its solid form causes = severe
    tissue damage. Symptoms of DHMO ingestion can include excessive = sweating and urination, and
    possibly a bloated feeling, nausea, vomiting = and body electrolyte imbalance. For those who have
    become dependent, = DHMO withdrawal means certain death.=20 Dihydrogen monoxide:=20

    a.. is also known as hydroxl acid, and is the major component of = acid rain.=20
    b.. contributes to the "greenhouse effect."=20
    c.. may cause severe burns.=20
    d.. contributes to the erosion of our natural landscape.=20
    e.. accelerates corrosion and rusting of many metals.=20
    f.. may cause electrical failures and decreased effectiveness of = automobile brakes.=20
    g.. has been found in excised tumors of terminal cancer patients.=20 Contamination is reaching
    epidemic proportions!=20

    Quantities of dihydrogen monoxide have been found in almost every = stream, lake, and reservoir in
    America today. But the pollution is = global, and the contaminant has even been found in Antarctic
    ice. DHMO = has caused millions of dollars of property damage in the midwest, and = recently
    California.=20

    Despite the danger, dihydrogen monoxide is often used:=20

    h.. as an industrial solvent and coolant.=20
    i.. in nuclear power plants.=20
    j.. in the production of styrofoam.=20
    k.. as a fire retardant.=20
    l.. in many forms of cruel animal research.=20
    m.. in the distribution of pesticides. Even after washing, produce = remains contaminated by
    this chemical.=20
    n.. as an additive in certain "junk-foods" and other food products.=20 Companies dump waste DHMO
    into rivers and the ocean, and nothing can = be done to stop them because this practice is
    still legal. The impact on = wildlife is extreme, and we cannot afford to ignore it any
    longer!=20

    The American government has refused to ban the production, = distribution, or use of this damaging
    chemical due to its "importance to = the economic health of this nation." In fact, the navy and
    other = military organizations are conducting experiments with DHMO, and = designing multi-billion
    dollar devices to control and utilize it during = warfare situations. Hundreds of military
    research facilities receive = tons of it through a highly sophisticated underground distribution =
    network. Many store large quantities for later use.=20

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    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-
    RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-
    RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>>First, stop posting in = HTML.=20
    </FONT></DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV
    dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#008000 size=3D2>Whats wrong = with HTML? Even=20 you use
    it below.. It makes things more readable, and there is no = difference=20 in size to a small
    web page. Few Newsgroups even forbid its use=20 now. This is a legacy concept back
    in the early days of the Web = when=20 many News browsers only supported text. Are you
    still using a = Old=20 DOS/Aplle IIE System along with your 20 Year Old Chem =
    Research?</FONT></DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV
    dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>>Second, prove that both = are used,=20 that the
    amount used is of a doseage which can be toxic. </FONT></DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial
    size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#008000 size=3D2>I don't
    = need to prove=20 anything. You can prove it for yourself. Like I said Go the =20
    supermarket. And Look on the back of the Shampoo Bottle and Baby = Shampoos..=20 See for
    yourself.. Is that enough proof?</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT:
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    <><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
    <><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
    <><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT color=3D#008000>Like you = say.. yes One is=20 "clearly"
    MORE Toxic than the other.. Check next time your at the=20 supermakret and
    see..) Secondly.. the chemicals are the same in = the=20 fact that one is prepared
    from the other..</FONT> = </FONT></DIV>
    <><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT
    face=3DArial size=3D2>>No, that is NOT true, = as the studies=20 I posted clearly show.
    they are NOT chemically the same. The only = thing that=20 is similar is the names, and,
    that is what lying spammers, like = yourself, are=20 relying on to shill for their lying
    companies. </FONT></DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
    <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#008000 size=3D2>Of course = they are Not=20
    chemically the same, or they would be the same chemical. = They have=20 similar
    effects and are closely related. Thus they were combined = into=20 the one
    group. I meant "They are the same in the fact that one = is=20 prepared from the
    other.." Just a different process is used. = Which=20 creates two different compounds
    i.e. two different chemicals, thus two =

    different chemical names.. This relationship is WHY they have = the=20 similar effects and
    molecular structure.</FONT></DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
    <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>>What you are doing is = propagating an=20 urban
    legend:</FONT></DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV
    dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>><A=20
    =
    href=3D"http://www.snopes.com/toxins/shampoo.htm">http://www.snopes.com/t=
    oxins/shampoo.htm</A></FONT></DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
    <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT color=3D#008000>An = urban legend for=20 some, a
    true fact for others.. Like I said, this information is part = of=20 fertility treatment that gets
    better results than IVF.. But you don't = seem the=20 least bit interested in that..</FONT>
    </FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT:
    5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
    <><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
    <><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thirdly one of the biggest issues = with these=20 surfactants
    is a thing called synergy.. You can, if you feel so = inclined=20 look further into
    it. In respect of brevity that one paragraph = was=20 enough to prompt someone to
    investigate for themselves. I = would not be=20 recomending that anyone continue this
    lab study on their children.=20 Especially new born babies.</FONT></DIV>
    <><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT
    face=3DArial size=3D2>>Talk about = scaremongering.=20 </FONT></DIV> <DIV
    dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial
    color=3D#008000 size=3D2>Yes be = afraid. Fear is a=20 natural emotion designed to keep us
    from harm.</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT:
    5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
    <><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
    <><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>And lastly.. you have to be = severely=20 intellectually
    challenged by taking chemistry research data that=20 has more than a 20year
    Old Date! You should = have thrown=20 in the Chemical report that said chemicals
    cannot penetrate the skin = while=20 you were at it.. </FONT><FONT face=3DArial
    size=3D2>Or = those the early=20
    J.A.M.A. Studies that said Smoking did not cause cancer? Or that = Mercury in=20 baby teething
    gels was safe!</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT
    face=3DArial size=3D2>>Can you point out where = it has=20 changed? I took the data from
    the NIH ToxNET website. It is the = premier source=20 for toxicology information.
    </FONT></DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV
    dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#008000 size=3D2>Premier = source=20 by who's
    standards? 20 year old Chemical research data is far = from=20 premier.</FONT></DIV>
    <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px;
    = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
    <><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
    <><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>You also might want to consider the = ethics of=20 companies
    that have "Not Tested On Animals" labels on products that = contain=20 these cocktails
    of toxic chemicals that were tested on animals=20 too. But I am sure that wouldn't
    bother you.. But maybe=20 others..</FONT></DIV>
    <><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT
    face=3DArial size=3D2>>G-d put animals on = earth so man could=20 use them.
    </FONT></DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV
    dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#008000 size=3D2>I didn't = think this would=20 bother
    you.. There is a difference between "USE" and "Dominion Over".. = A Big=20 difference.. We
    have choice in our relationship with Nature. = Some people=20 choose to USE and ABUSE
    it.. Other prefer to work with it and cherish=20 it. I see where you fit
    in.</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px;
    MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
    <><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
    <><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT = color=3D#008000>So please forgive me=20 Mr
    Probertios for trying to help educate people about these = issues as=20 well as
    providing the same solution I use for myself and my = family.</FONT>=20 </FONT></DIV>
    <><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT
    face=3DArial size=3D2>>I never forgive lying = MLM scammers.=20 </FONT></DIV> <DIV
    dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial
    color=3D#008000 size=3D2>yeh = whatever.. I think=20 someone also said "Forgive and you
    will be forgiven.." So I = forgive you=20 for your arorgance and ignorance. Its
    just a shame Ignorance = isn't=20 painful.</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-
    RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-
    RIGHT: 0px">
    <><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
    <><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT color=3D#008000>Solutions = that have=20 been a
    major part of successful infertility treatment, that the =
    J.AMA has=20 not even given 1 column centimetre of space to promote.</FONT> =

    </FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT
    face=3DArial size=3D2>>JAMA does not promote = anything that=20 does not past rigorous
    testing. Obviously, yours flunked. = </FONT></DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial
    size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#008000 size=3D2>Not
    quite.. = You have no=20 clue..</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-
    RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-
    RIGHT: 0px">
    <><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#008000 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
    <><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT color=3D#008000>Wouldn't want = to jeopardise=20 all that
    money that pours into the industry from IVF = treatment. =20 Expensive isn't
    it! Who would have thought that going on = an=20 organic diet (Free from toxic
    pesticides and other nasties) coupled = with=20 detoxing your body and home would have
    better results than the = leading=20 fertility treatments. And for litteral pennies in
    = comparison.</FONT>=20 </FONT></DIV>
    <><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT
    face=3DArial size=3D2>>Another detoxer! I just = love you=20 detoxers. </FONT></DIV>
    <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-
    RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-
    RIGHT: 0px">
    <><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#008000 size=3D2>Hows the saying=20 go..?</FONT></DIV>
    <><FONT color=3D#008000></FONT> </DIV>
    <><FONT color=3D#008000><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>All truth = passes through 3=20
    stages..</FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>First it is ridiculed.. = Then it is=20
    violently opposed, then it is accepted as if it was known all=20
    along..</FONT></FONT></DIV>
    <><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT
    face=3DArial size=3D2>>I am sorry to see you = at stage 1.=20 </FONT></DIV> <DIV
    dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial
    color=3D#008000 size=3D2>Yes shows = you know nothing=20 about medical/pharma politics or
    what is going on right now in the = world, to=20 violent opposition occuring against
    alternate health and the Pharma = Monopolies=20 trying desperately to reclaim back the 60%
    market share they have lost = over=20 the last decade to Alt treatments that actualy get
    results. This 60% = market=20 share has been distributed to many more small businesses and
    individul =

    practitioners rather than a select few corporate giants who worship = the bottom=20 dollar, for
    more so than they are interested in your health and well=20 being.</FONT></DIV> <DIV
    dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#008000 = size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT
    face=3DArial color=3D#008000 size=3D2>Crawl back = under your=20 bridge troll, your a tool and am
    I not even going to bother with any = further=20 communication.. You have no real interest what
    soever in the issues=20 presented.. For someone who claims to have been effected by them, you =
    seem=20 remarkably intolerant of anothers point of view who is also speaking = from=20 personal
    experience.</FONT></DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#008000 =
    size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV
    dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>>If I were you, I would = be more=20 worried about
    DiHydrogen Monoxide. It is a proven dangerous substance, = and is=20 found worldwide. The fact
    that it is all natural is no protectant. In = fact,=20 the discoverer of the danger of this
    chemical substance won a science=20 fair!</FONT></DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial
    size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT =
    color=3D#008000>You are a=20 total fool. Maybe we could be so lucky and you would
    believe the = crap=20 below.. Maybe you should do the world a favour and stop taking/using =
    "<FONT=20 face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3>Dihydrogen = monoxide"</FONT> <FONT=20
    face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3>yourself. Then we could all happily = bury you in=20 3 days
    time.</FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT color=3D#008000></FONT> </DIV> <DIV
    dir=3Dltr align=3Dcenter><FONT color=3D#008000 = size=3D4><STRONG><EM>"He was a Man=20 of Pride
    and Arrogance.."</EM></STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dcenter><FONT color=3D#008000 =
    size=3D4><STRONG><EM>"Stubborn and=20 Unrelenting.."</EM></STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr
    align=3Dcenter><FONT color=3D#008000 = size=3D4><STRONG><EM>"Rude and=20
    obnoxious.."</EM></STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dcenter><FONT color=3D#008000 =
    size=3D4><STRONG><EM>"Supported=20 animal cruelty for the benefit of his =
    ilk.."</EM></STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dcenter><FONT color=3D#008000 =
    size=3D4><STRONG><EM>"But at least=20 he died practicing what he
    preached.."</EM></STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dcenter><FONT color=3D#008000 =
    size=3D4><STRONG><EM>"Everyone has=20 a good point.. He actually believed his own=20
    garbage.."</EM></STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dcenter><FONT color=3D#008000 =
    size=3D4><STRONG><EM>"May He=20 RIP.."</EM></STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT
    color=3D#008000></FONT> </DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>--- OMG MORE HTML
    Above and = Below.. Run=20 for the hills.. ---</FONT></DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial
    size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr>Dihydrogen monoxide is colorless, odorless, tasteless,
    = and kills=20 uncounted thousands of people every year. Most of these deaths are = caused by=20
    accidental inhalation of DHMO, but the dangers of dihydrogen monoxide = do not=20 end there.
    Prolonged exposure to its solid form causes severe tissue = damage.=20 Symptoms of DHMO ingestion
    can include excessive sweating and = urination, and=20 possibly a bloated feeling, nausea,
    vomiting and body electrolyte = imbalance.=20 For those who have become dependent, DHMO withdrawal
    means certain = death.=20 </DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr>
    <P>Dihydrogen monoxide:=20
    <Q><UL type=3DDISC>
    <LI>is also known as hydroxl acid, and is the major component of = acid rain.=20
    <>contributes to the "greenhouse effect."=20
    <>may cause severe burns.=20
    <>contributes to the erosion of our natural landscape.=20
    <>accelerates corrosion and rusting of many metals.=20
    <>may cause electrical failures and decreased effectiveness of = automobile=20 brakes.=20
    <>has been found in excised tumors of terminal cancer patients. = </LI></UL>
    <P><STRONG><FONT size=3D6>Contamination is reaching epidemic=20 proportions!</FONT></STRONG>=20
    <Q>Quantities of dihydrogen monoxide have been found in almost every = stream,=20 lake, and
    reservoir in America today. But the pollution is global, and = the=20 contaminant has even been
    found in Antarctic ice. DHMO has caused = millions of=20 dollars of property damage in the
    midwest, and recently California.=20
    <R>Despite the danger, dihydrogen monoxide is often used:=20
    <S><UL>
    <LI>as an industrial solvent and coolant.=20
    <>in nuclear power plants.=20
    <>in the production of styrofoam.=20
    <>as a fire retardant.=20
    <>in many forms of cruel animal research.=20
    <>in the distribution of pesticides. Even after washing, produce = remains=20 contaminated by
    this chemical.=20
    <>as an additive in certain "junk-foods" and other food products. = </LI></UL>
    <P>Companies dump waste DHMO into rivers and the ocean, and nothing = can be=20 done to stop them
    because this practice is still legal. The impact on = wildlife=20 is extreme, and we cannot
    afford to ignore it any longer!=20
    <Q>The American government has refused to ban the production, = distribution, or=20 use of this
    damaging chemical due to its "importance to the economic = health of=20 this nation." In fact,
    the navy and other military organizations are=20 conducting experiments with DHMO, and
    designing multi-billion dollar = devices=20 to control and utilize it during warfare
    situations. Hundreds of = military=20 research facilities receive tons of it through a highly
    sophisticated=20 underground distribution network. Many store large quantities for = later
    use.=20 </P></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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  17. David Wright

    David Wright Guest

    In article <[email protected]>,
    Organic Living <[email protected]> wrote:
    >-=-=-=-=-=-
    >
    >
    > >First, stop posting in HTML.
    >
    > Whats wrong with HTML? Even you use it below.. It makes things more readable,

    Not on text-based newsreaders, it doesn't. And it makes the posts more than twice as long.

    > >What you are doing is propagating an urban legend:
    >
    > >http://www.snopes.com/toxins/shampoo.htm
    >
    > An urban legend for some, a true fact for others..

    Yeah, like your body exploding if you consume soda and Pop Rocks, or gangs of people stealing your
    kidney in Las Vegas.

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always
    correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my
    shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)
     
  18. > > (shall I bother mention the netiquette breech of using rich text?)
    >
    > Thanks for pointing out the utter inseinsitivity of this liar/spammer. Having gone through
    > infertility problems three times with my wife, I know the pain that this twits insensitivity and
    > lust for money caused.

    Unbelievable.. Ill respond to your second post regarding your little bit of additional research. But
    let me just tell you this.. You will not know true pain until the day you have your child then loose
    it because of the issues presented here. I would realy, realy love to say what I want to say to you
    right now but I wont lower myself to that level... You think you are the only person who has
    experienced suffering in the world? I think I will put your false impressions about me down to a
    true fact about people. You see in others, what you are within yourself.
     
  19. -L.

    -L. Guest

    "Organic Living" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > Absolutely its relevant. The post contains some vital information that people deserve to know
    > about. Did you miss the part about infertility?

    Listen you idiot - I'm not going to be nice, since you don't seem to GET IT.

    QUIT CROSS-POSTING to the INFERTILITY NEWSGROUPS!

    Addressing a bunch of INFERTILE women as "MOTHERS" is RUDE, INCONSIDERATE and HURTFUL.

    Not only is it against the FAQ, you are potentially harming women who have deep emotional pain. Not
    that I expect you to care.

    -L.
     
  20. -L.

    -L. Guest

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