Mountain Bikers Are Destroying Colorado!



On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 04:47:35 GMT, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]>
wrote:

>.Either that, or G W Bush wants to make me a spokesperson for his
>.environmental policy.
>.
>.He is a mountain biker after all.
>
>Proving that mountain bikers are ALL liars. Every last one. QED
>===

Perhaps you should send a copy of this to the White House. I'm sure
the Secret Service detail there would be interested in what you think
of the President in this message, combined with what you usually say
about mountain bikers.

To save you the trouble, perhaps one of your fans will forward it for
you.

Happy trails,
Gary (net.yogi.bear)
------------------------------------------------
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Mike Vandeman wrote:

>
> Proving that mountain bikers are ALL liars. Every last one. QED

Mike, for someone who claims to have a Doctorate this is a very poor
application of the emperical process.

Your reasoning is flawed and unsound. I can't take you seriously.
 
Disco Stu <stu@springfield_dance_studio.com> wrote:
> Mike Vandeman wrote:
>
>>
>> Proving that mountain bikers are ALL liars. Every last one. QED
>
> Mike, for someone who claims to have a Doctorate this is a very poor
> application of the emperical process.
>
> Your reasoning is flawed and unsound. I can't take you seriously.

I know I shouldn't, but I will......

Actually your response shows that Mikey is smarter than you. His goal is
not to convince but to overwhelm. In Mikey's world, all things
mountain-biking are evil. A blow to anything that is mountain bike related
is a blow for justice and righteousness in his mind. By spamming the
newsgroups with endless drivel, reposting the same tired stuff, arguing in
circles, and being intentionally obtuse, he is clogging newservers
everywhere with noise. If he can generate enough noise then people will
stop bothering to post mtb-related content and most users will drift away to
other pursuits. As big a whack-job as he is, he could just succeed. As
long as people like you (and obviously me) can't resist the siren call of
MVs dementia he'll be making progress.

Tom (hate myself for responding, but I feel better now)
 
tcmedara wrote:
> Disco Stu <stu@springfield_dance_studio.com> wrote:
>
> I know I shouldn't, but I will......
>
> Actually your response shows that Mikey is smarter than you.

Well it could be that he is smarter than me. It could be he is a
complete loony nutcase who is telling big fibs. I'm not going to find
out unless I see how he justifies statements like "All mountain bikers
are liars".

As I see it, the only argument someone could put forward, is that "All
Humans are liars, therefore all mountain bikers (being humans) are
liars". If this is so, Mike's statement is to my mind, irrelevant.

I can appreciate others may see me as misguided, but I feel I am
entitled to a response.
 
Trust me - I've been posting & luring on this NG for a number of years - the
statement "Mikey is smarter than", can only be completed with inanimate
objects.


But (seriously) he did get me started as a mountain biker. I wan't much
interested until he spoke up - now I take my Mongoose all over the country,
tearing it up. Going to play with the bear in Yellowstone, next week. I'll
make it a point to do lots of environmental damage.


"Disco Stu" <stu@springfield_dance_studio.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> tcmedara wrote:
> > Disco Stu <stu@springfield_dance_studio.com> wrote:
> >
> > I know I shouldn't, but I will......
> >
> > Actually your response shows that Mikey is smarter than you.
>
> Well it could be that he is smarter than me. It could be he is a
> complete loony nutcase who is telling big fibs. I'm not going to find
> out unless I see how he justifies statements like "All mountain bikers
> are liars".
>
> As I see it, the only argument someone could put forward, is that "All
> Humans are liars, therefore all mountain bikers (being humans) are
> liars". If this is so, Mike's statement is to my mind, irrelevant.
>
> I can appreciate others may see me as misguided, but I feel I am
> entitled to a response.
>
 
On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 12:42:11 GMT, Gary S. <Idontwantspam@net> wrote:

..On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 04:47:35 GMT, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]>
..wrote:
..
..>.Either that, or G W Bush wants to make me a spokesperson for his
..>.environmental policy.
..>.
..>.He is a mountain biker after all.
..>
..>Proving that mountain bikers are ALL liars. Every last one. QED
..>===
..
..Perhaps you should send a copy of this to the White House. I'm sure
..the Secret Service detail there would be interested in what you think
..of the President in this message, combined with what you usually say
..about mountain bikers.
..
..To save you the trouble, perhaps one of your fans will forward it for
..you.

Yes, Michael Moore did a good job of it.

..Happy trails,
..Gary (net.yogi.bear)
..------------------------------------------------
..at the 51st percentile of ursine intelligence
..
..Gary D. Schwartz, Needham, MA, USA
..Please reply to: garyDOTschwartzATpoboxDOTcom

===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
 
On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 22:36:54 -0400, "tcmedara" <[email protected]>
wrote:

..Disco Stu <stu@springfield_dance_studio.com> wrote:
..> Mike Vandeman wrote:
..>
..>>
..>> Proving that mountain bikers are ALL liars. Every last one. QED
..>
..> Mike, for someone who claims to have a Doctorate this is a very poor
..> application of the emperical process.
..>
..> Your reasoning is flawed and unsound. I can't take you seriously.
..
..I know I shouldn't, but I will......
..
..Actually your response shows that Mikey is smarter than you. His goal is
..not to convince but to overwhelm. In Mikey's world, all things
..mountain-biking are evil. A blow to anything that is mountain bike related
..is a blow for justice and righteousness in his mind. By spamming the
..newsgroups with endless drivel, reposting the same tired stuff, arguing in
..circles, and being intentionally obtuse, he is clogging newservers
..everywhere with noise. If he can generate enough noise then people will
..stop bothering to post mtb-related content and most users will drift away to
..other pursuits. As big a whack-job as he is, he could just succeed. As
..long as people like you (and obviously me) can't resist the siren call of
..MVs dementia he'll be making progress.
..
..Tom (hate myself for responding, but I feel better now)

No, you don't, liar.
===
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humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
 
On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 15:58:41 +1200, Disco Stu <stu@springfield_dance_studio.com>
wrote:

..tcmedara wrote:
..> Disco Stu <stu@springfield_dance_studio.com> wrote:
..>
..> I know I shouldn't, but I will......
..>
..> Actually your response shows that Mikey is smarter than you.
..
..Well it could be that he is smarter than me. It could be he is a
..complete loony nutcase who is telling big fibs. I'm not going to find
..out unless I see how he justifies statements like "All mountain bikers
..are liars".

That's an empirical statement based on 9 years of listening to you guys lie
CONSTANTLY.

..As I see it, the only argument someone could put forward, is that "All
..Humans are liars, therefore all mountain bikers (being humans) are
..liars". If this is so, Mike's statement is to my mind, irrelevant.
..
..I can appreciate others may see me as misguided, but I feel I am
..entitled to a response.

===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
 
"Rufio" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:CGMEc.24535$Yu.14474@fed1read04...
>
> But (seriously) he did get me started as a mountain biker. I wan't much
> interested until he spoke up - now I take my Mongoose all over the
country,
> tearing it up. Going to play with the bear in Yellowstone, next week.
I'll
> make it a point to do lots of environmental damage.
>
>

LIAR!

I bet you will actually very little environmental damage....

Funny, MV's posts have got me thinking about getting on a mountain bike as
well.
 
Mike Vandeman wrote:
> On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 15:58:41 +1200, Disco Stu <stu@springfield_dance_studio.com>
> wrote:
> .Well it could be that he is smarter than me. It could be he is a
> .complete loony nutcase who is telling big fibs. I'm not going to find
> .out unless I see how he justifies statements like "All mountain bikers
> .are liars".
>
> That's an empirical statement based on 9 years of listening to you guys lie
> CONSTANTLY.

Well that certainly is a long observation period.

I wonder,

How do we compare to other groups (I assume you had several contrasting
and/or control groups)?

Have you observed a causal relationship?
 
On Fri, 02 Jul 2004 08:32:03 +1200, Disco Stu
<stu@springfield_dance_studio.com> wrote:

>Mike Vandeman wrote:
>> On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 15:58:41 +1200, Disco Stu <stu@springfield_dance_studio.com>
>> wrote:
>> .Well it could be that he is smarter than me. It could be he is a
>> .complete loony nutcase who is telling big fibs. I'm not going to find
>> .out unless I see how he justifies statements like "All mountain bikers
>> .are liars".
>>
>> That's an empirical statement based on 9 years of listening to you guys lie
>> CONSTANTLY.
>
>Well that certainly is a long observation period.
>
>I wonder,
>
>How do we compare to other groups (I assume you had several contrasting
>and/or control groups)?
>
>Have you observed a causal relationship?

Remember that you also need an objective measure of "truth" in order
to determine lying.

"Truth" for most people does not mean "total agreement with Micheal J.
Vandeman", only for the residents of Mikey World.

He is using scientific-sounding terms to justify his personal opinions
and crusade.

It is extremely unlikely that ANY group of people, mountain bikers or
not, could manage to lie 100% of the time in every single statement
for 9 years. Even if you tried very hard to lie, some truth would
inevitably creep in.

Also, there is no person in the world who could possibly had contact
with EVERY mountain biker in the world, for even one sentence each, to
be able to say that ALL mountain bikers lie ALL of the time.

But calling other people liars helps him feel that he speaks the
TRUTH. It is his attempt to brainwash people into thinking he speaks
the truth.

Happy trails,
Gary (net.yogi.bear)
------------------------------------------------
at the 51st percentile of ursine intelligence

Gary D. Schwartz, Needham, MA, USA
Please reply to: garyDOTschwartzATpoboxDOTcom
 
Gary S. wrote:

>>Remember that you also need an objective measure of "truth" in order
>>to determine lying.
>>
>>
>>
>>
Since "truth" in any recognizable & generally agreed upon form has been
one primary goal of philosophers, sages, luminaries & other professional
thinking persons for several millennia with no discernable measure of
success I daresay that here as in all other MV-related threads there is
much sand being poured down some very deep, dark holes.

Pete H

--
Either everyone has rights or some have privileges.
It's really that simple.
Walt Kelly
 
On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 22:39:17 GMT, Gary S. <Idontwantspam@net> wrote:

..On Fri, 02 Jul 2004 08:32:03 +1200, Disco Stu
..<stu@springfield_dance_studio.com> wrote:
..
..>Mike Vandeman wrote:
..>> On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 15:58:41 +1200, Disco Stu <stu@springfield_dance_studio.com>
..>> wrote:
..>> .Well it could be that he is smarter than me. It could be he is a
..>> .complete loony nutcase who is telling big fibs. I'm not going to find
..>> .out unless I see how he justifies statements like "All mountain bikers
..>> .are liars".
..>>
..>> That's an empirical statement based on 9 years of listening to you guys lie
..>> CONSTANTLY.
..>
..>Well that certainly is a long observation period.
..>
..>I wonder,
..>
..>How do we compare to other groups (I assume you had several contrasting
..>and/or control groups)?
..>
..>Have you observed a causal relationship?
..
..Remember that you also need an objective measure of "truth" in order
..to determine lying.
..
.."Truth" for most people does not mean "total agreement with Micheal J.
..Vandeman", only for the residents of Mikey World.

Just like a mountain biker, not to know what a lie is.

..He is using scientific-sounding terms to justify his personal opinions
..and crusade.
..
..It is extremely unlikely that ANY group of people, mountain bikers or
..not, could manage to lie 100% of the time in every single statement
..for 9 years.

I didn't say that. Learn to read.

Even if you tried very hard to lie, some truth would
..inevitably creep in.
..
..Also, there is no person in the world who could possibly had contact
..with EVERY mountain biker in the world,

I didn't say that, liar. See how easy it is?

for even one sentence each, to
..be able to say that ALL mountain bikers lie ALL of the time.
..
..But calling other people liars helps him feel that he speaks the
..TRUTH. It is his attempt to brainwash people into thinking he speaks
..the truth.
..
..Happy trails,
..Gary (net.yogi.bear)
..------------------------------------------------
..at the 51st percentile of ursine intelligence
..
..Gary D. Schwartz, Needham, MA, USA
..Please reply to: garyDOTschwartzATpoboxDOTcom

===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
 
Mike Vandeman wrote:

> .It is extremely unlikely that ANY group of people, mountain bikers or
> .not, could manage to lie 100% of the time in every single statement
> .for 9 years.
>
> I didn't say that. Learn to read.
>
> Even if you tried very hard to lie, some truth would
> .inevitably creep in.
> .
> .Also, there is no person in the world who could possibly had contact
> .with EVERY mountain biker in the world,
>
> I didn't say that, liar. See how easy it is?

Well Mike, if I can quote you here from a few posts back...

"Proving that mountain bikers are ALL liars. Every last one. QED".

Looking at this statement, you even go so far as to stress and reinforce
that you mean _ALL_ MTBers are liars.

I've given you a chance to present your argument. I was quite willing
to take what you had to say seriously, but within a few posts all you've
seem to be able to do is rustle up a bit of inflammatory rhetoric and
contradict yourself.

I'm putting you in my list of people to ignore from now on.
 
On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 12:34:36 +1200, Disco Stu <stu@springfield_dance_studio.com>
wrote:

..Mike Vandeman wrote:
..
..> .It is extremely unlikely that ANY group of people, mountain bikers or
..> .not, could manage to lie 100% of the time in every single statement
..> .for 9 years.
..>
..> I didn't say that. Learn to read.
..>
..> Even if you tried very hard to lie, some truth would
..> .inevitably creep in.
..> .
..> .Also, there is no person in the world who could possibly had contact
..> .with EVERY mountain biker in the world,
..>
..> I didn't say that, liar. See how easy it is?
..
..Well Mike, if I can quote you here from a few posts back...
..
.."Proving that mountain bikers are ALL liars. Every last one. QED".
..
..Looking at this statement, you even go so far as to stress and reinforce
..that you mean _ALL_ MTBers are liars.

I have yet to meet one that didn't lie. You could be the first....

..I've given you a chance to present your argument. I was quite willing
..to take what you had to say seriously, but within a few posts all you've
..seem to be able to do is rustle up a bit of inflammatory rhetoric and
..contradict yourself.
..
..I'm putting you in my list of people to ignore from now on.

Good. I only care about talking to those who are listening.
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
 
On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 16:15:39 GMT, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]>
wrote:

>On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 12:34:36 +1200, Disco Stu <stu@springfield_dance_studio.com>
>wrote:
>
>.I'm putting you in my list of people to ignore from now on.
>
>Good. I only care about talking to those who are listening.
>===
You persist in posting to newsgroups and mailing lists where no one
listening, or least no one takes anything you say seriously.

I guess you are doing this despite not caring for it.

Happy trails,
Gary (net.yogi.bear)
------------------------------------------------
at the 51st percentile of ursine intelligence

Gary D. Schwartz, Needham, MA, USA
Please reply to: garyDOTschwartzATpoboxDOTcom
 
Disco Stu <stu@springfield_dance_studio.com> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> I'm putting you in my list of people to ignore from now on.

It's about time. Go ride your bike.

JD
 
On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 16:53:10 GMT, Gary S. <Idontwantspam@net> wrote:

..On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 16:15:39 GMT, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]>
..wrote:
..
..>On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 12:34:36 +1200, Disco Stu <stu@springfield_dance_studio.com>
..>wrote:
..>
..>.I'm putting you in my list of people to ignore from now on.
..>
..>Good. I only care about talking to those who are listening.
..>===
..You persist in posting to newsgroups and mailing lists where no one
..listening,

You are listening, liar. But, hey, thanks for demonstrating, once again, that
mountain bikers ALWAYS LIE!

or least no one takes anything you say seriously.
..
..I guess you are doing this despite not caring for it.
..
..Happy trails,
..Gary (net.yogi.bear)
..------------------------------------------------
..at the 51st percentile of ursine intelligence
..
..Gary D. Schwartz, Needham, MA, USA
..Please reply to: garyDOTschwartzATpoboxDOTcom

===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
 
On 5 Jul 2004 10:23:31 -0700, [email protected] (JD) wrote:

..Disco Stu <stu@springfield_dance_studio.com> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
..> I'm putting you in my list of people to ignore from now on.
..
..It's about time. Go ride your bike.

Yeah, you need to work on your impotence & osteoporosis. (Aren't you glad I now
have a new line?)

..JD

===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
 
On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 19:48:42 GMT, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]>
wrote:

>On 5 Jul 2004 10:23:31 -0700, [email protected] (JD) wrote:
>
>.Disco Stu <stu@springfield_dance_studio.com> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
>.> I'm putting you in my list of people to ignore from now on.
>.
>.It's about time. Go ride your bike.
>
>Yeah, you need to work on your impotence & osteoporosis. (Aren't you glad I now
>have a new line?)
>
New line, same one-note song.

If this went through the same rigorous scientific process as your
usual, you have taken something out of context, exaggarated it, and
used it to support your existing opinions.

Happy trails,
Gary (net.yogi.bear)
------------------------------------------------
at the 51st percentile of ursine intelligence

Gary D. Schwartz, Needham, MA, USA
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