Mountain Bikers Don't Like Sharing, After All!



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Mike Vandeman

Guest
Mountain bikers complain that hikers don't like to "share" the trails
with bikes. Now the shoe is on the other foot! Suddenly mountain
bikers don't like to share, after all! The smell of hypocrisy is
pretty strong....

Mike


Single Track threatened by Single Desire for Oil and Gas


Energy Development Could Impact Aspenites Bike Trips to Fruita


By Mitzi Rapkin, 5-01-06

There aren’t many trees on the high plateau along I-70 between
Glenwood Springs and Grand Junction. The tallest and most dense
tree-like structures are oil rigs. And that denseness is set to
increase. Today the Aspen Times is reporting that a May 11th BLM lease
sale on thousands of acres of the federal agency’s land in Colorado
includes leases next to some of Fruita, Colorado’s most popular
mountain biking trails.

It wouldn’t be fair to say Fruita is the Moab of Colorado because it’s
just Fruita – and for most mountain bikers that says it all.

As early as March, eager mountain bikers from Aspen and the Roaring
Fork Valley searching for a respite from the fluffy white stuff (that
would be snow) head to warmer climes and hit the dry, red singletrack
trails of Fruita without having to leave the state.

Shawn Hunsberger, a personal trainer from Basalt told the Aspen Times
he’d be opposed to oil drilling right next to the trails. “There’s
plenty of places they can get oil without drilling there,” he said.

Sarah and Troy Rarick own Over the Edge Sports in Fruita, a bike shop
and meeting place for bikers near and far. Sarah said she’s heard
mountain biking brings in about $6 million dollars net into the
community yearly.

The most noticeable aspect to the city’s website at www.fruita.org is
a huge color photo of a mountain biker on the home page.

News of the impending lease sale spread in Fruita last month. Chris
Herrman is president of the Colorado Plateau Mountain Bike Trail
Association (COPMOBA), based a few miles away in Grand Junction.
COPMOBA's mission is to build and maintain mountain bike trails, work
to preserve singletrack, and promote responsible riding. Herrman
described the mood of the mountain bikers in the area as one of
“outrage.” He told the Aspen Times that the BLM recently concluded a
four-year planning process which dedicated a portion of the North
Fruita desert to mountain biking, which makes the lease sale difficult
to swallow.

Sarah Rarick said COPMOBA sent out information to all members and are
encouraging them to contact the BLM to make their concerns known.

Last weekend the Fruita mountain biking community had an ample
opportunity to spread the word. Last Thursday more than 2,000 people
flocked to Fruita for the 11th Annual Fat Tire Festival.

“Our festival brings people from Colorado, Utah, the East Coast, West
Coast, UK and Germany,” Sarah said. ““We try to make the least sale
known. Obviously we’re not going to get on a political soapbox in the
middle of the festival but all of our visitors are willing to write a
letter. If the leases are sold it can really affect the quality of
mountain biking and camping here. No one wants to camp next to an oil
well. Even some in the oil and gas companies say this is silly
economically because mountain biking brings in so much money to
Fruita.”

The largest area of concern is along 18 Road north of Fruita and 27 ¼
Road in Grand Junction. Popular trails like Chutes and Ladders and
Zippety Do Da would be most impacted.

COPMOBA’s Board of Directors filed a formal protest over the inclusion
of the parcels that could affect trails and asked that they be removed
from the lease auction. The letter states “The COPMOBA Board can not
stand by and let energy development destroy our quality of life and
our sustainable economy. Grand Valley residents pursue a high quality
of life that includes our world class mountain bike trails. Our local
businesses profit from mountain biking, one of the mainstays of our
current recreation and tourism based economy. Our energy needs can be
met and the resources beneath the Grand Valley accessed, without
destroying our quality of life and our economy.”

Mel Lloyd, Public Affairs Specialist for the Western Slope Western
Region with the BLM said 45,721 acres in Mesa County are up for
auction.

Even though COPMOBA and others have protested the inclusion of
specific parcels in the May 11th lease auction, she said they will
still be offered for sale. “Protests are noted 15 days prior to lease
sale and are still included,” Lloyd said. “Whoever wants to bid is
made aware that certain parcels are under protest and whoever wins is
still required to put money down. If the protest is upheld the buyer
receives a refund. The outcome of the protest could take 60 days and
we’ve received so many protests it can take longer. We have gotten
more and more protests with the increased activity and the public
interest depending on the area.”

Lloyd said she has no track record of how the BLM has decided on
protests. The lease sale begins at 9 a.m. on May 11th in Lakewood
Colorado.
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humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

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Drew

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"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> Mountain bikers complain that hikers don't like to "share" the trails
> with bikes. Now the shoe is on the other foot! Suddenly mountain
> bikers don't like to share, after all! The smell of hypocrisy is
> pretty strong....
>
> Mike



Uh, I've never had a hiker, or horse rider complain that I'm on the trail.
Actually, I've had some nice long conversations with both.
I don't mind them, they don't mind me.

Live and let live..

Eat to ride, ride to live, live to ride.....

Drew

( heck Mike, I'll even share the trail with you!!)
 
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Robert Schultz

Guest
Mike Vandeman wrote:
> Mountain bikers complain that hikers don't like to "share" the trails
> with bikes. Now the shoe is on the other foot! Suddenly mountain
> bikers don't like to share, after all! The smell of hypocrisy is
> pretty strong....
>
> Mike
>
>
> Single Track threatened by Single Desire for Oil and Gas
>
>
> Energy Development Could Impact Aspenites Bike Trips to Fruita
>

<snip!>
> ===
> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>
> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>

I think everyone's missing the real point. There's been some humour in
some of these last few posts by MV. If it wasn't for the cross-posting,
I'd say someone hijacked MV's email.

RS
 
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S Curtiss

Guest
"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> Mountain bikers complain that hikers don't like to "share" the trails
> with bikes. Now the shoe is on the other foot! Suddenly mountain
> bikers don't like to share, after all! The smell of hypocrisy is
> pretty strong....
>
> Mike
>
>
> Single Track threatened by Single Desire for Oil and Gas
> Energy Development Could Impact Aspenites Bike Trips to Fruita


So... you state you are against auto dependence and road construction:
"I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans
("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto
dependence and road construction.)"

Yet you post a piece showing cyclists upset by the threat of oil / gas
exploration in a natural area?

You would rather have an area exploited for oil exploration rather than have
mountain bikes on the trails...?

You hate off-road cyclists so much, you would rather sacrifice natural space
and area wildlife to oil companies rather than have bicycles in the area?

You should be first in line to speak against the possibility of oil
exploration in a natural area yet you dare to speak of hypocrosy on the part
of cyclists for speaking out against something you say you have been
fighting for "the previous 8 years"...?

Wow... If this is not proof positive you have lost your marbles and gone
completely insane, I don't know what else would.
 
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Edward Dolan

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"S Curtiss" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:yy56g.30316$k%[email protected]
>
> "Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
>> Mountain bikers complain that hikers don't like to "share" the trails
>> with bikes. Now the shoe is on the other foot! Suddenly mountain
>> bikers don't like to share, after all! The smell of hypocrisy is
>> pretty strong....
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> Single Track threatened by Single Desire for Oil and Gas
>> Energy Development Could Impact Aspenites Bike Trips to Fruita

>
> So... you state you are against auto dependence and road construction:
> "I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans
> ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting
> auto dependence and road construction.)"


Hell yes! Anyone who is NOT against road construction is some kind of idiot
for sure. How many roads do you have to have before you have enough?

> Yet you post a piece showing cyclists upset by the threat of oil / gas
> exploration in a natural area?


Damn right! It will mean nothing but more roads in the end.

> You would rather have an area exploited for oil exploration rather than
> have mountain bikes on the trails...?


We do not want any more roads in the Aspen area and we do not want mountain
bikes on the trails. What is there about this that you do not understand?

> You hate off-road cyclists so much, you would rather sacrifice natural
> space and area wildlife to oil companies rather than have bicycles in the
> area?


We do not want any more roads in the Aspen area and we do not want mountain
bikes on the trails. What is there about this that you do not understand?

> You should be first in line to speak against the possibility of oil
> exploration in a natural area yet you dare to speak of hypocrosy on the
> part of cyclists for speaking out against something you say you have been
> fighting for "the previous 8 years"...?


We do not want any more roads in the Aspen area and we do not want mountain
bikes on the trails. What is there about this that you do not understand?

> Wow... If this is not proof positive you have lost your marbles and gone
> completely insane, I don't know what else would.


We do not want any more roads in the Aspen area and we do not want mountain
bikes on the trails. What is there about this that you do not understand?

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
 
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Mike Vandeman

Guest
On Tue, 2 May 2006 19:38:57 -0700, "Drew" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]
>> Mountain bikers complain that hikers don't like to "share" the trails
>> with bikes. Now the shoe is on the other foot! Suddenly mountain
>> bikers don't like to share, after all! The smell of hypocrisy is
>> pretty strong....
>>
>> Mike

>
>
>Uh, I've never had a hiker, or horse rider complain that I'm on the trail.


Of course! It's the BIKES we are complaining about. Besides, mountain
bikers intimidate other trail users into not complaining, often by
threats.

>Actually, I've had some nice long conversations with both.
>I don't mind them, they don't mind me.
>
>Live and let live..
>
>Eat to ride, ride to live, live to ride.....
>
>Drew
>
>( heck Mike, I'll even share the trail with you!!)
>

===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
 
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Mike Vandeman

Guest
On 2 May 2006 19:45:36 -0700, "tom" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> Damn, Mike, you talk a lot. Tom


I didn't say anything. I just passed along a news article. Glad you
liked it.
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
 
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Mike Vandeman

Guest
On Wed, 03 May 2006 10:00:41 -0400, Robert Schultz
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Mike Vandeman wrote:
>> Mountain bikers complain that hikers don't like to "share" the trails
>> with bikes. Now the shoe is on the other foot! Suddenly mountain
>> bikers don't like to share, after all! The smell of hypocrisy is
>> pretty strong....
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> Single Track threatened by Single Desire for Oil and Gas
>>
>>
>> Energy Development Could Impact Aspenites Bike Trips to Fruita
>>

><snip!>
>> ===
>> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>>
>> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>>

>I think everyone's missing the real point. There's been some humour in
>some of these last few posts by MV. If it wasn't for the cross-posting,
>I'd say someone hijacked MV's email.


I think YOU missed the point. What's funny about mountain bikers'
hypocrisy?

>RS

===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
 
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Mike Vandeman

Guest
On Wed, 3 May 2006 13:15:02 -0400, "S Curtiss" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]
>> Mountain bikers complain that hikers don't like to "share" the trails
>> with bikes. Now the shoe is on the other foot! Suddenly mountain
>> bikers don't like to share, after all! The smell of hypocrisy is
>> pretty strong....
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> Single Track threatened by Single Desire for Oil and Gas
>> Energy Development Could Impact Aspenites Bike Trips to Fruita

>
>So... you state you are against auto dependence and road construction:
>"I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans
>("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto
>dependence and road construction.)"
>
>Yet you post a piece showing cyclists upset by the threat of oil / gas
>exploration in a natural area?
>
>You would rather have an area exploited for oil exploration rather than have
>mountain bikes on the trails...?
>
>You hate off-road cyclists so much, you would rather sacrifice natural space
>and area wildlife to oil companies rather than have bicycles in the area?
>
>You should be first in line to speak against the possibility of oil
>exploration in a natural area yet you dare to speak of hypocrosy on the part
>of cyclists for speaking out against something you say you have been
>fighting for "the previous 8 years"...?
>
>Wow... If this is not proof positive you have lost your marbles and gone
>completely insane, I don't know what else would.


So you admit that you don't like sharing, after all?
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
 
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S Curtiss

Guest
"Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
>
> "S Curtiss" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:yy56g.30316$k%[email protected]
>>
>> "Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]
>>> Mountain bikers complain that hikers don't like to "share" the trails
>>> with bikes. Now the shoe is on the other foot! Suddenly mountain
>>> bikers don't like to share, after all! The smell of hypocrisy is
>>> pretty strong....
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>> Single Track threatened by Single Desire for Oil and Gas
>>> Energy Development Could Impact Aspenites Bike Trips to Fruita

>>
>> So... you state you are against auto dependence and road construction:
>> "I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans
>> ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting
>> auto dependence and road construction.)"

>
> Hell yes! Anyone who is NOT against road construction is some kind of
> idiot for sure. How many roads do you have to have before you have enough?

What is your point? How many roads do I have to have...? Are you an
illiterate reactionary to what you think you read as opposed to what is
actually there?
>
>> Yet you post a piece showing cyclists upset by the threat of oil / gas
>> exploration in a natural area?

>
> Damn right! It will mean nothing but more roads in the end.

So here you support the cyclists' actions to stop this advancement...
>
>> You would rather have an area exploited for oil exploration rather than
>> have mountain bikes on the trails...?

>
> We do not want any more roads in the Aspen area and we do not want
> mountain bikes on the trails. What is there about this that you do not
> understand?

Who us "we"...? Another elitist nut tugging on the tails of Vandeman...
>
>> You hate off-road cyclists so much, you would rather sacrifice natural
>> space and area wildlife to oil companies rather than have bicycles in the
>> area?

>
> We do not want any more roads in the Aspen area and we do not want
> mountain bikes on the trails. What is there about this that you do not
> understand?

Who us "we"...? Another elitist nut tugging on the tails of Vandeman...

>
>> You should be first in line to speak against the possibility of oil
>> exploration in a natural area yet you dare to speak of hypocrosy on the
>> part of cyclists for speaking out against something you say you have been
>> fighting for "the previous 8 years"...?

>
> We do not want any more roads in the Aspen area and we do not want
> mountain bikes on the trails. What is there about this that you do not
> understand?
>
>> Wow... If this is not proof positive you have lost your marbles and gone
>> completely insane, I don't know what else would.

>
> We do not want any more roads in the Aspen area and we do not want
> mountain bikes on the trails. What is there about this that you do not
> understand?

Who us "we"...? Another elitist nut tugging on the tails of Vandeman...

>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
>
>
 
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S Curtiss

Guest
"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> On Wed, 3 May 2006 13:15:02 -0400, "S Curtiss" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>>You should be first in line to speak against the possibility of oil
>>exploration in a natural area yet you dare to speak of hypocrosy on the
>>part
>>of cyclists for speaking out against something you say you have been
>>fighting for "the previous 8 years"...?
>>
>>Wow... If this is not proof positive you have lost your marbles and gone
>>completely insane, I don't know what else would.

>
> So you admit that you don't like sharing, after all?

So you admit you would rather have oil exploration destroy the landscape
rather than have some bikes on the trails.
 
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werty

Guest
Rearranging the chairs on the Titanic .....

Both of you and 99% of all Americans are laboring under
a gross misconception ..... none of your solutions work
excuses to protect your gov't paycheck / food stamps
/ or tax perk /sellout.



We got so far into this ditch , it's too confusing how to
"back" out of the ditch .
Layers and layers of Congressional "bandaides" to "protect"
America ... WE NEED A LAW TO PROTECT yada yada yada ...

To stop all complaints , you simply allow all those who work
to own land ( and their bank acct and their shoes and socks ).

The Gov't OWNs all land .......

It is false that one who owns land will abuse it in ANY way .
It's just a Government excuse to confiscate that land !
He's abusing the land ( the kangaroo rat lived here 1000 years ago
and will return ) so Gov't had to take it !!
or we'll take 3 other ways !! So we can trash it or sell it to
some factory to polute our air !
Free people who own land do not build factories for the extreme
high labor rates of a rich country , they push all "lowly" labor to
Guatemala .
But Gov'ts need the poor vote , so make a phony MIN WAGE law !

Every successful country raises labor rates , making it impossible
to even hire maids and pool cleaners !
Not even hamburger slingers at McDon' /Burger cringe ...
Any Rich country that HOUSES poor will be violent and poor soon !


All poor must work and live in a poor country .
Bus them up for the weekend to pave your highways ,
clean your pool and wash your Mercedes
like the Swiss used to do !! ( Italians )

200 million people in America are eating off the tax payers table !
But the top tax payers have allready fled , so that leaves only the
dummies .
This is a game of musical chairs , the music stops in 2018 !

The speed bumps in between will be a bout with extreme
unemployment ( about 30 million people will never return to work
in America ) .
What ?! You think they actually want the Chineese to
take their job !!!

So whats wrong with the Chineese makin our stuff ?
Nothing , its the govt theft of the "middle" money that makes
it wrong .
Our Govt is cooking the books , giving the Chineese ( and Canadians
,Japaneese,
Mexicans many many more ) IOU's .
Poison ......

Coclusion : You can't work with others money , Gov'ts only work with
your money ...
Every law passed by the Congress has hurt America .


Will Rogers (?) "No mans land is safe while congress is in session"

As long as we have Gov't there will be divorce , road rage , child
support
lawyers , medical malpratice Liabilty lawsuits , food stamps , air
polution ,
and complaints ....
Who would you complain TO , with no gov't ????? ha ha ha ha ha ha
A policeman ?!!!! A Judge ?!!!!!!

No police , no courts , no judges , no CIA , no FBI , No Foreign
embassies ,
no border gaurds ( no poor run to a America where they work 2
months
to earn enuf for a Big Mac !)

In this paradice , NO HUMAN complains for the instant punishment from
the one listening to the complaint !
You eat on your reputation , make someone think you are unreliable
or untrustworthy and you can't even buy groceries at the store !
The grocer is very rich also , he don't have to sell to anyone he
don't
like especially one who is a complainer !!!

In this "free" society , you must be rich to live here and all are
so
rich , theyre not compelled to do business with anyone who isn't
perfect
repute , also they figure why do business with "trouble" when there's
all those rich buyers who also don't want / can't afford trouble .
It's the poor that cause all the trouble on this earth , want more
than they're worth , don't use due diligence , then want a "warranty" !
or forgivenes for not producing a high quality product .

No one thinks bad thoughts because it will be uncovered eventualy
and you are OUT , if you allienate ANYONE .
All "political" types / ambulance chasers are black listed .
Because it hurts society to ....
" We really need a Childrens hospital on main street "
BUSHIT !!! ( no connection to our President/ Shriner tax evaders )

Rich people don't tax each other to build hospitals !!
Nor set up gov't licensing of MD's so they're "greatful" to the gov't
for allowing them to CHARGE money for dispensing knowledge that
in rich communities is all qwackery by all standards !
Rich don't get sick !!! ha ha ha ha think about it !
if your sick , you are a leper to them , GO AWAY , we have
no hospitals/ Mother Teresa's to scheme how to make you
well so you can possibly create children / over populate the world .

If a society suceeds , it reduces it's poor and increases it's rich
so
there is no need for gov't to DO for the unfortunate !



The rich don't do commitees to pave the street in front of their
houses ,
They pave their own streets and let you use it for you are rich also .


I'm repaving the road Bill ....

Bill : " Oh ! here's 1.50mil to help you defray the cost !
Bob ......" I'll have to kick back 500 grand cause you knew from
the last
paving it only costs $1 mil !!
Goin fishing next week ?
Bill : " Yes for 12 weeks ".....
Bob " You place or mine ( 250 ,000 acres near Yellowstone )


it's not lazy Americans ( We amke poor slaves , good workers)
It's your stinking socialist gov't ,
We have the capacity to turn this country into a paradice !
But , like Jesus they...."hammer us with tax "
till they own our land ..
 
T

Tom G

Guest
If this was satire, it'd be hilarious. Sadly, Ed the Flake is serious.
 
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Edward Dolan

Guest
"S Curtiss" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
>
> "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
>>
>> "S Curtiss" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:yy56g.30316$k%[email protected]
>>>
>>> "Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]
>>>> Mountain bikers complain that hikers don't like to "share" the trails
>>>> with bikes. Now the shoe is on the other foot! Suddenly mountain
>>>> bikers don't like to share, after all! The smell of hypocrisy is
>>>> pretty strong....
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Single Track threatened by Single Desire for Oil and Gas
>>>> Energy Development Could Impact Aspenites Bike Trips to Fruita
>>>
>>> So... you state you are against auto dependence and road construction:
>>> "I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans
>>> ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting
>>> auto dependence and road construction.)"

>>
>> Hell yes! Anyone who is NOT against road construction is some kind of
>> idiot for sure. How many roads do you have to have before you have
>> enough?

>
> What is your point? How many roads do I have to have...? Are you an
> illiterate reactionary to what you think you read as opposed to what is
> actually there?


You want to ride your bike on footpaths. This is not only wrong but immoral.
There are already plenty of roads for you to ride your bike on.

>>> Yet you post a piece showing cyclists upset by the threat of oil / gas
>>> exploration in a natural area?

>>
>> Damn right! It will mean nothing but more roads in the end.

>
> So here you support the cyclists' actions to stop this advancement...


No, I can walk and chew gum at the same time.

>>> You would rather have an area exploited for oil exploration rather than
>>> have mountain bikes on the trails...?

>>
>> We do not want any more roads in the Aspen area and we do not want
>> mountain bikes on the trails. What is there about this that you do not
>> understand?

> Who us "we"...? Another elitist nut tugging on the tails of Vandeman...

[...]

Elitism has its' place in the scheme of things. Without elites, there would
be nothing for anyone. We would all of us be living like pigs in a pigsty. I
am proud to count myself among the elite. It has taken me a lifetime of
making discriminations to get to where I am now at.

From my brief experience on this newsgroup, RBS, it seems that everyone is
picking on Vandeman. Why is that when he appears to be so right on the
issues to me. I have concluded that there are a lot of nuts and screwballs
like Curtiss on this group who think they have a perfect right to take their
bikes on footpaths. This is an abomination and ought to be outlawed.

Footpaths are reserved indeed for an elite. All you have to do to join this
elite is to get off your freaking bike and do a bit of walking.

Cyclists and Bikes = Roads.

Walkers and Shoes = Footpaths.

How difficult can the above be to understand?

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
 
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S Curtiss

Guest
"Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:eek:[email protected]
>>>>> Mike
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Single Track threatened by Single Desire for Oil and Gas
>>>>> Energy Development Could Impact Aspenites Bike Trips to Fruita
>>>>
>>>> So... you state you are against auto dependence and road construction:
>>>> "I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans
>>>> ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting
>>>> auto dependence and road construction.)"
>>>
>>> Hell yes! Anyone who is NOT against road construction is some kind of
>>> idiot for sure. How many roads do you have to have before you have
>>> enough?

>>
>> What is your point? How many roads do I have to have...? Are you an
>> illiterate reactionary to what you think you read as opposed to what is
>> actually there?

>
> You want to ride your bike on footpaths. This is not only wrong but
> immoral. There are already plenty of roads for you to ride your bike on.

Immoral...? Again with language of religious superiority...? You have
areas where bikes are not allowed. Imposing your narrow views onto the rest
of us who did not ask for it and have moved beyond it is "immoral".
>
>>>> Yet you post a piece showing cyclists upset by the threat of oil / gas
>>>> exploration in a natural area?
>>>
>>> Damn right! It will mean nothing but more roads in the end.

>>
>> So here you support the cyclists' actions to stop this advancement...

>
> No, I can walk and chew gum at the same time.

So you want the companies instead of having some bicycles around...?
>
>>>> You would rather have an area exploited for oil exploration rather than
>>>> have mountain bikes on the trails...?
>>>
>>> We do not want any more roads in the Aspen area and we do not want
>>> mountain bikes on the trails. What is there about this that you do not
>>> understand?

>> Who us "we"...? Another elitist nut tugging on the tails of Vandeman...

> [...]
>
> Elitism has its' place in the scheme of things. Without elites, there
> would be nothing for anyone. We would all of us be living like pigs in a
> pigsty. I am proud to count myself among the elite. It has taken me a
> lifetime of making discriminations to get to where I am now at.

You are nowhere and nothing. No more important than me or anyone else. Your
claim of otherwise is meaningless. It takes others to recognize status.
Claiming it, instead of having it given, is meaningless. However, I am
perfectly capable of maintaining myself, making decisions and moving about
without having any "elite" step in for my own good. For the most part,
whenever one of these "elite" say something is "for my own good", the
reality is that they are trying to get their "goods" first and foremost.
>
> From my brief experience on this newsgroup, RBS, it seems that everyone is
> picking on Vandeman. Why is that when he appears to be so right on the
> issues to me. I have concluded that there are a lot of nuts and screwballs
> like Curtiss on this group who think they have a perfect right to take
> their bikes on footpaths. This is an abomination and ought to be outlawed.
>
> Footpaths are reserved indeed for an elite. All you have to do to join
> this elite is to get off your freaking bike and do a bit of walking.

Nope - You want to walk without bikes, you have that option in many areas
and many ways. Your desire to remove our option based only on your
semi-religious, narrow mindset is painfully obvious with nothing "elite"
coming into play. The truth is... off-road cycling has developed into an
economic reality, an environmental lobby, an internationally recognized
sport, and a healthful and sustainable activity within thousands of miles of
trails across the country. The FACT you can hike and have your "elitist" ego
satisfied in more areas than cyclists are allowed should be enough to keep
you close to nature. Its going to have to. Off-road cycling has matured and
is recognized by the agencies that set the rules and standards.
>
> Cyclists and Bikes = Roads.
>
> Walkers and Shoes = Footpaths.
>
> How difficult can the above be to understand?

Simple minds grasp simple ideas. I'm a little more complex.
>
 
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Edward Dolan

Guest
"S Curtiss" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:g2T6g.50830$k%[email protected]
>
> "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:eek:[email protected]
>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Single Track threatened by Single Desire for Oil and Gas
>>>>>> Energy Development Could Impact Aspenites Bike Trips to Fruita
>>>>>
>>>>> So... you state you are against auto dependence and road
>>>>> construction:
>>>>> "I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>>>>> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years
>>>>> fighting auto dependence and road construction.)"
>>>>
>>>> Hell yes! Anyone who is NOT against road construction is some kind of
>>>> idiot for sure. How many roads do you have to have before you have
>>>> enough?
>>>
>>> What is your point? How many roads do I have to have...? Are you an
>>> illiterate reactionary to what you think you read as opposed to what is
>>> actually there?

>>
>> You want to ride your bike on footpaths. This is not only wrong but
>> immoral. There are already plenty of roads for you to ride your bike on.

>
> Immoral...? Again with language of religious superiority...? You have
> areas where bikes are not allowed. Imposing your narrow views onto the
> rest of us who did not ask for it and have moved beyond it is "immoral".


Bless him Father, for he knows not what he says!

>>>>> Yet you post a piece showing cyclists upset by the threat of oil / gas
>>>>> exploration in a natural area?
>>>>
>>>> Damn right! It will mean nothing but more roads in the end.
>>>
>>> So here you support the cyclists' actions to stop this advancement...

>>
>> No, I can walk and chew gum at the same time.

>
> So you want the companies instead of having some bicycles around...?


I want neither the companies nor the bicycles. That is what I meant by being
able to walk and chew gum at the same time.

>>>>> You would rather have an area exploited for oil exploration rather
>>>>> than have mountain bikes on the trails...?
>>>>
>>>> We do not want any more roads in the Aspen area and we do not want
>>>> mountain bikes on the trails. What is there about this that you do not
>>>> understand?
>>> Who us "we"...? Another elitist nut tugging on the tails of Vandeman...

>> [...]
>>
>> Elitism has its' place in the scheme of things. Without elites, there
>> would be nothing for anyone. We would all of us be living like pigs in a
>> pigsty. I am proud to count myself among the elite. It has taken me a
>> lifetime of making discriminations to get to where I am now at.

>
> You are nowhere and nothing. No more important than me or anyone else.
> Your claim of otherwise is meaningless. It takes others to recognize
> status. Claiming it, instead of having it given, is meaningless. However,
> I am perfectly capable of maintaining myself, making decisions and moving
> about without having any "elite" step in for my own good. For the most
> part, whenever one of these "elite" say something is "for my own good",
> the reality is that they are trying to get their "goods" first and
> foremost.


No, we elites are above all petty considerations. We only want what is good
for humanity in general, not what is good for some jerk who goes by the name
of Curtiss, with two s' no less.

Good grief, what is this status thing you mention. Have you not realized by
now that I am a GOD. When I proclaim, you listen. What is there about this
hierarchical relationship that you do not understand?

>> From my brief experience on this newsgroup, RBS, it seems that everyone
>> is picking on Vandeman. Why is that when he appears to be so right on the
>> issues to me. I have concluded that there are a lot of nuts and
>> screwballs like Curtiss on this group who think they have a perfect right
>> to take their bikes on footpaths. This is an abomination and ought to be
>> outlawed.
>>
>> Footpaths are reserved indeed for an elite. All you have to do to join
>> this elite is to get off your freaking bike and do a bit of walking.

>
> Nope - You want to walk without bikes, you have that option in many areas
> and many ways. Your desire to remove our option based only on your
> semi-religious, narrow mindset is painfully obvious with nothing "elite"
> coming into play. The truth is... off-road cycling has developed into an
> economic reality, an environmental lobby, an internationally recognized
> sport, and a healthful and sustainable activity within thousands of miles
> of trails across the country. The FACT you can hike and have your
> "elitist" ego satisfied in more areas than cyclists are allowed should be
> enough to keep you close to nature. Its going to have to. Off-road cycling
> has matured and is recognized by the agencies that set the rules and
> standards.


You have millions of miles of roads to cycle on. Gravel roads are perfect
for mountain bikes. Yet I have never seen anyone cycling on gravel roads
except myself. I am convinced that the main reason mountain bikers like to
bike on hiking trails is so that they can have the pleasure of annoying
hikers. May a horse rear up someday on the trail and give them a good kick
in the head! Then and only then will they ever come to their senses.
[...]

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
 
M

Michael Halliwell

Guest
Edward Dolan wrote:

> You want to ride your bike on footpaths. This is not only wrong but immoral.
> There are already plenty of roads for you to ride your bike on.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
>



You may wish to be careful about getting into moral judgement
issues....there are ordained folks on these newsgroups as well as those
who's morality will vary from yours.

Michael Halliwell
 
E

Edward Dolan

Guest
"Michael Halliwell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> Edward Dolan wrote:
>
>> You want to ride your bike on footpaths. This is not only wrong but
>> immoral. There are already plenty of roads for you to ride your bike on.

>
> You may wish to be careful about getting into moral judgement
> issues....there are ordained folks on these newsgroups as well as those
> who's morality will vary from yours.
>
> Michael Halliwell


Surely you jest! Anyone who would tangle with Saint Edward the Great on
questions of morality would be insane. HE is a fearsome Saint (right out of
the High Middle Ages) and HIS Holiness is legendary. Even I, Ed Dolan the
Great, fear HIS wrath. HE is not at all a kindly Saint, but a most mean and
viscous Saint. You cross HIM at your peril!

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota