Mountain Bikers Just Don't Get It!



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Mike Vandeman

Guest
Incredible as it may seem, mountain bikers actually think that
damaging activities like mountain-top removal make mountain biking
damage acceptable! After you stop laughing, let them know what you
think.

Mike


Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:34:26 -0700
From: Josh <[email protected]>
Subject: [ROMP] environmental destruction (off topic)

I came across this site called http://www.ilovemountains.org about
mountain top mining in the Appalachians. Compared to the impact caused
by mountain biking, it seems we environmentalists have much bigger
issues to concern ourselves with than a little siltation in streams or
running over the occasional snake.


Mountain top mining removes the mountain top, mines coal, and dumps
the rock and soil from the mountain into nearby canyons and gulches,
completely burying entire riparian habitats.



Josh
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
 
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Estom

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Hehe... That's one stubborn dude :eek:)
I just came back to check the group after a couple of years and good ol'
Mike is still here :eek:)

Mike, I'll share a secret with you... I also ride ATVs and Jeeps...I bet
now, you won't be able to sleep :eek:)

Estom - The Polak



"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> Incredible as it may seem, mountain bikers actually think that
> damaging activities like mountain-top removal make mountain biking
> damage acceptable! After you stop laughing, let them know what you
> think.
>
> Mike
>
>
> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:34:26 -0700
> From: Josh <[email protected]>
> Subject: [ROMP] environmental destruction (off topic)
>
> I came across this site called http://www.ilovemountains.org about
> mountain top mining in the Appalachians. Compared to the impact caused
> by mountain biking, it seems we environmentalists have much bigger
> issues to concern ourselves with than a little siltation in streams or
> running over the occasional snake.
>
>
> Mountain top mining removes the mountain top, mines coal, and dumps
> the rock and soil from the mountain into nearby canyons and gulches,
> completely burying entire riparian habitats.
>
>
>
> Josh
> ===
> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>
> Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are
> fond of!
>
> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>
 
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Mike Vandeman

Guest
On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 01:51:38 GMT, "Estom"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Hehe... That's one stubborn dude :eek:)
>I just came back to check the group after a couple of years and good ol'
>Mike is still here :eek:)
>
>Mike, I'll share a secret with you... I also ride ATVs and Jeeps...I bet
>now, you won't be able to sleep :eek:)


I'm not worried. Darwin & evolution are at work. :)

>Estom - The Polak
>
>
>
>"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]
>> Incredible as it may seem, mountain bikers actually think that
>> damaging activities like mountain-top removal make mountain biking
>> damage acceptable! After you stop laughing, let them know what you
>> think.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:34:26 -0700
>> From: Josh <[email protected]>
>> Subject: [ROMP] environmental destruction (off topic)
>>
>> I came across this site called http://www.ilovemountains.org about
>> mountain top mining in the Appalachians. Compared to the impact caused
>> by mountain biking, it seems we environmentalists have much bigger
>> issues to concern ourselves with than a little siltation in streams or
>> running over the occasional snake.
>>
>>
>> Mountain top mining removes the mountain top, mines coal, and dumps
>> the rock and soil from the mountain into nearby canyons and gulches,
>> completely burying entire riparian habitats.
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh
>> ===
>> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>>
>> Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are
>> fond of!
>>
>> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>>

>

===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
 
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Bellsouth Ijit 2.0

Guest
"Estom" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> Hehe... That's one stubborn dude :eek:)
> I just came back to check the group after a couple of years and good ol'
> Mike is still here :eek:)
>
> Mike, I'll share a secret with you... I also ride ATVs and Jeeps...I bet
> now, you won't be able to sleep :eek:)
>
> Estom - The Polak
>
>
>
> "


Same story here. Haven't been following this group in a couple of years, to
come back and find the same old two horse show of that Vanderman nutjob and
the same clique of smarmy do-what-I-do know-it-alls.
 
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Mike Vandeman

Guest
On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 16:42:53 GMT, "Bellsouth Ijit 2.0"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"Estom" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]
>> Hehe... That's one stubborn dude :eek:)
>> I just came back to check the group after a couple of years and good ol'
>> Mike is still here :eek:)
>>
>> Mike, I'll share a secret with you... I also ride ATVs and Jeeps...I bet
>> now, you won't be able to sleep :eek:)
>>
>> Estom - The Polak
>>
>>
>>
>> "

>
>Same story here. Haven't been following this group in a couple of years, to
>come back and find the same old two horse show of that Vanderman nutjob and
>the same clique of smarmy do-what-I-do know-it-alls.


I'm the world expert on mountain biking impacts, and thus I have more
of a right to be here than you do. Who are YOU?
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
 
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Daryl Hunt

Guest
"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 16:42:53 GMT, "Bellsouth Ijit 2.0"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Estom" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]
>>> Hehe... That's one stubborn dude :eek:)
>>> I just came back to check the group after a couple of years and good ol'
>>> Mike is still here :eek:)
>>>
>>> Mike, I'll share a secret with you... I also ride ATVs and Jeeps...I bet
>>> now, you won't be able to sleep :eek:)
>>>
>>> Estom - The Polak
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "

>>
>>Same story here. Haven't been following this group in a couple of years,
>>to
>>come back and find the same old two horse show of that Vanderman nutjob
>>and
>>the same clique of smarmy do-what-I-do know-it-alls.

>
> I'm the world expert on mountain biking impacts, and thus I have more
> of a right to be here than you do. Who are YOU?


The only worlds expert is the one that did the impact correctly and recieved
services on sunday in rememberance. It could be that you are just clumsy.




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Chris

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Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 16:42:53 GMT, "Bellsouth Ijit 2.0"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Estom" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]
>>> Hehe... That's one stubborn dude :eek:)
>>> I just came back to check the group after a couple of years and good
>>> ol' Mike is still here :eek:)
>>>
>>> Mike, I'll share a secret with you... I also ride ATVs and Jeeps...I
>>> bet now, you won't be able to sleep :eek:)
>>>
>>> Estom - The Polak
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "

>>
>>Same story here. Haven't been following this group in a couple of
>>years, to come back and find the same old two horse show of that
>>Vanderman nutjob and the same clique of smarmy do-what-I-do
>>know-it-alls.

>
> I'm the world expert on mountain biking impacts, and thus I have more
> of a right to be here than you do. Who are YOU?


world expert on being a nut job


> ===
> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>
> Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you
> are fond of!
>
> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>



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Coyoteboy

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Mike Vandeman mumbled incoherently to the rest of alt.mountain-bike:

> I'm the world expert on mountain biking impacts, and thus I have more
> of a right to be here than you do. Who are YOU?


LOL. If thats the case why doesnt anyone worth their salt take you
seriously? And why arent you jetting the world discussing your findings at
international conferences? And why do you have so much time to dedicate to
posting utter tripe on here?

Maybe, since you're the expert and so little notice is taken of you, your
plight is so meaningless (or your work so poor) that even the rest of the
environmentalist community cant be arsed to listen to your ramblings.

Unfortunately, like so many misguided and mentally ill, you'll never get a
grip on your problem and you'll still be posting here in another 10 years,
and still no-one will be taking you seriously. Its funny how, when you're
so wrapped up in your thoughts on a subject, you can be so far from the
correct answer yet be so convinced as to your accuracy.
 
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Coyoteboy

Guest
Mike Vandeman mumbled incoherently to the rest of alt.mountain-bike:

> I'm the world expert on mountain biking impacts, and thus I have more
> of a right to be here than you do. Who are YOU?


Oh, and you don't get to claim to be the world expert in something just
because you've scanned the internet for as many articles as you could that
showed MTBers having injured themselves. Mike, your credibility was low
when I first came here nearly a decade ago, I assure you it hasn't grown.
 
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pmh

Guest
On Mar 18, 7:04 am, Coyoteboy <[email protected]> wrote:
credibility was low
> when I first came here nearly a decade ago, I assure you it hasn't grown.


Low! It was nonexistent, even then, and has steadily slid back to
sorrier & sorrier.

Same old same old same old from Mikey; same responses from a slowly-
changing field of responders. Nothing new here over the years other
than the list of those who at first attempt rational dialogue with an
irrational being and then leave of boredom.
 
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Mike Vandeman

Guest
On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 11:03:02 +0000, Coyoteboy
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Mike Vandeman mumbled incoherently to the rest of alt.mountain-bike:
>
>> I'm the world expert on mountain biking impacts, and thus I have more
>> of a right to be here than you do. Who are YOU?

>
>LOL. If thats the case why doesnt anyone worth their salt take you
>seriously?


They DO. The organizations that have sponsored the conferences where I
gave my mountain biking paper are top-notch.

And why arent you jetting the world discussing your findings at
>international conferences?


I am. See my web site.

And why do you have so much time to dedicate to
>posting utter tripe on here?
>
>Maybe, since you're the expert and so little notice is taken of you, your
>plight is so meaningless (or your work so poor) that even the rest of the
>environmentalist community cant be arsed to listen to your ramblings.
>
>Unfortunately, like so many misguided and mentally ill, you'll never get a
>grip on your problem and you'll still be posting here in another 10 years,
>and still no-one will be taking you seriously. Its funny how, when you're
>so wrapped up in your thoughts on a subject, you can be so far from the
>correct answer yet be so convinced as to your accuracy.


CONVENIENTLY, as usual, you don't give a single example of my alleged
"incorrect" statements -- a good sign that you don't know what you are
talking about.
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
 
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Mike Vandeman

Guest
On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 11:04:54 +0000, Coyoteboy
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Mike Vandeman mumbled incoherently to the rest of alt.mountain-bike:
>
>> I'm the world expert on mountain biking impacts, and thus I have more
>> of a right to be here than you do. Who are YOU?

>
>Oh, and you don't get to claim to be the world expert in something just
>because you've scanned the internet for as many articles as you could that
>showed MTBers having injured themselves. Mike, your credibility was low
>when I first came here nearly a decade ago, I assure you it hasn't grown.


How would you know? Idiot.
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
 
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Mike Vandeman

Guest
On 18 Mar 2007 07:28:01 -0700, "pmh" <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Mar 18, 7:04 am, Coyoteboy <[email protected]> wrote:
> credibility was low
>> when I first came here nearly a decade ago, I assure you it hasn't grown.

>
>Low! It was nonexistent, even then, and has steadily slid back to
>sorrier & sorrier.
>
>Same old same old same old from Mikey; same responses from a slowly-
>changing field of responders. Nothing new here over the years


When you're RIGHT, what's there to change?

other
>than the list of those who at first attempt rational dialogue with an
>irrational being and then leave of boredom.

===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
 
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Coyoteboy

Guest
Mike Vandeman proclaimed to alt.mountain-bike ...


> On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 11:03:02 +0000, Coyoteboy
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> They DO. The organizations that have sponsored the conferences where I
> gave my mountain biking paper are top-notch.


I know of a few people of questionable reliability and understanding of
their field who have presented papers at conferences, it doesnt mean their
view is accepted, just that it may be a point worth of discussion (or
ridicule).

> CONVENIENTLY, as usual, you don't give a single example of my alleged
> "incorrect" statements -- a good sign that you don't know what you are
> talking about.


I don't have to, you've been proved wrong so many times in the past and
your "work" is so well known that it speaks for itself.
 
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Coyoteboy

Guest
Mike Vandeman proclaimed to alt.mountain-bike ...

> I'm not worried. Darwin & evolution are at work. :)


And fortunately it is Darwin and evolution that allowed the risk takers and
adventurers of the past to bring humans to the point they are today, able
to listen to the endless drivel people post online!
 
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Mike Vandeman

Guest
On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 19:09:20 +0000, Coyoteboy
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Mike Vandeman proclaimed to alt.mountain-bike ...
>
>
>> On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 11:03:02 +0000, Coyoteboy
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> They DO. The organizations that have sponsored the conferences where I
>> gave my mountain biking paper are top-notch.

>
>I know of a few people of questionable reliability and understanding of
>their field who have presented papers at conferences, it doesnt mean their
>view is accepted, just that it may be a point worth of discussion (or
>ridicule).
>
>> CONVENIENTLY, as usual, you don't give a single example of my alleged
>> "incorrect" statements -- a good sign that you don't know what you are
>> talking about.

>
>I don't have to, you've been proved wrong so many times in the past and
>your "work" is so well known that it speaks for itself.


In your dreams. Your refusal to document relegates you to the trash.
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
 
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Coyoteboy

Guest
Mike Vandeman proclaimed to alt.mountain-bike ...

>>I don't have to, you've been proved wrong so many times in the past and
>>your "work" is so well known that it speaks for itself.

>
> In your dreams. Your refusal to document relegates you to the trash.


Again, burying your head in the sand. <mike, upon hearing an argument
against his POV, puts his fingers in his ears and chants until it goes
away>