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Mike Vandeman
Guest
At 10:46 PM 1/30/05 +0000, "Matt Ellis" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Hi
>I am what you regard as a raper of nature, destroyer of natural habitats etc (I
mountain bike) and so I have seen your website before, usually there is a link
by a comment such as "this guy is a complete tool" or "check out this extremist
point of view". I agree with the second comment and feel you come across as an
extremist.
Meaning I'm ahead of my time?
> I agree with a small part of what you say, disagree with a lot of it and don't
understand what you are trying to achieve or the methods you choose to use. So I
pose the following questions-
>1) Given your views on nature, transport systems, humans trashing nature etc
what would you like to see? If you got given complete control of the world what
would your solution to humans and animals living together be? I cannot see how
what you seem to want can become a working system where humans do not interfere
with animals. From the second we became human's we started fiddling about with
nature so unless you want us all to commit mass suicide and leave the planet to
the animals what do you suggest?
Minimize your impacts, in every way that you are able. For starters, don't tale
your bike into parks or other natural areas.
>2) You have a Ph.D. in mathematics, you teach computing, but your website
horrifies me with its written in Word style of presentation. If you want people
to read your website and think about your ideas why can't you spruce it up a
bit? People are lazy and want things to be easy and it's hard work wading
through the information on your website. HTML is one of the easiest things to
learn, failing that get a student/friend/company to sort it out for you.
What's the problem? I know html. I just don't want to waste any more time on
this than necessary. A website can only PRESENT information. It is still up to
the viewer to READ it.
>3)You seem very dedicated to your cause but yet you insist on behaving in a
manner that does nothing to further it. I am talking about your dirty little
habit of trolling in mountain bike forums and groups. Trolling is the act of
posting a message of a inflammatory nature with the intention of starting a
verbal fight with other users.
I have never done that. All I do is tell the truth. Mountain bikers react in
accordance with their personalities. I have as much right to post mountain
bike-related articles in mountain-bike-related newsgroups as anyone else does,
don't I? If you don't like what I say, post your own thoughts.
> What does this achieve? You must get something out of it as you keep doing it.
This and the fact you misquote replies people make or post only one side of the
argument on other forums and groups to make mountain bikers look bad
I don't have to do ANYTHING to make you guys look bad. You do it naturally. I
just point it out.
> actually makes you look very bad indeed. This baffles me most of all. Why
bother? It seems like you merely like to argue not that you care about the
environment when you do this. It does not further your cause unless really all
you want is to be infamous as a trolling nutcase!
>4)Do you or your family own a car? Are you vegan? Is your house totally green
neither producing or using anything that is harmful or wasteful in any way? Do
you buy goods packaged in non recyclable packaging? Do you eat organic? You can
see where I am going with these questions, basically do you practice what you
preach?
Of course. DUH! But I don't see how that has anything to do with your mountain
biking.
>I expect you will probably either not read this, write a derogatory reply or
reply in a fashion that answers none of my points but I thought I would see if
you can convince me that what you say is right. I will be deeply disappointed if
you use my email in any way that involves not quoting it all, I have been honest
and as such left myself open to misquoting by you and could easily be quoted in
a way that makes me appear to be a hate mail writing stupid mountain biker. Like
when you see a movie poster that says "Best movie of the year" but the original
review was "this would be the best movie of the year only if no other movies had
been made that year". It's a childish ploy used by desperate people so please
don't stoop that low. Looking forward to your reply.
>Regards
>Matt
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>Hi
>I am what you regard as a raper of nature, destroyer of natural habitats etc (I
mountain bike) and so I have seen your website before, usually there is a link
by a comment such as "this guy is a complete tool" or "check out this extremist
point of view". I agree with the second comment and feel you come across as an
extremist.
Meaning I'm ahead of my time?
> I agree with a small part of what you say, disagree with a lot of it and don't
understand what you are trying to achieve or the methods you choose to use. So I
pose the following questions-
>1) Given your views on nature, transport systems, humans trashing nature etc
what would you like to see? If you got given complete control of the world what
would your solution to humans and animals living together be? I cannot see how
what you seem to want can become a working system where humans do not interfere
with animals. From the second we became human's we started fiddling about with
nature so unless you want us all to commit mass suicide and leave the planet to
the animals what do you suggest?
Minimize your impacts, in every way that you are able. For starters, don't tale
your bike into parks or other natural areas.
>2) You have a Ph.D. in mathematics, you teach computing, but your website
horrifies me with its written in Word style of presentation. If you want people
to read your website and think about your ideas why can't you spruce it up a
bit? People are lazy and want things to be easy and it's hard work wading
through the information on your website. HTML is one of the easiest things to
learn, failing that get a student/friend/company to sort it out for you.
What's the problem? I know html. I just don't want to waste any more time on
this than necessary. A website can only PRESENT information. It is still up to
the viewer to READ it.
>3)You seem very dedicated to your cause but yet you insist on behaving in a
manner that does nothing to further it. I am talking about your dirty little
habit of trolling in mountain bike forums and groups. Trolling is the act of
posting a message of a inflammatory nature with the intention of starting a
verbal fight with other users.
I have never done that. All I do is tell the truth. Mountain bikers react in
accordance with their personalities. I have as much right to post mountain
bike-related articles in mountain-bike-related newsgroups as anyone else does,
don't I? If you don't like what I say, post your own thoughts.
> What does this achieve? You must get something out of it as you keep doing it.
This and the fact you misquote replies people make or post only one side of the
argument on other forums and groups to make mountain bikers look bad
I don't have to do ANYTHING to make you guys look bad. You do it naturally. I
just point it out.
> actually makes you look very bad indeed. This baffles me most of all. Why
bother? It seems like you merely like to argue not that you care about the
environment when you do this. It does not further your cause unless really all
you want is to be infamous as a trolling nutcase!
>4)Do you or your family own a car? Are you vegan? Is your house totally green
neither producing or using anything that is harmful or wasteful in any way? Do
you buy goods packaged in non recyclable packaging? Do you eat organic? You can
see where I am going with these questions, basically do you practice what you
preach?
Of course. DUH! But I don't see how that has anything to do with your mountain
biking.
>I expect you will probably either not read this, write a derogatory reply or
reply in a fashion that answers none of my points but I thought I would see if
you can convince me that what you say is right. I will be deeply disappointed if
you use my email in any way that involves not quoting it all, I have been honest
and as such left myself open to misquoting by you and could easily be quoted in
a way that makes me appear to be a hate mail writing stupid mountain biker. Like
when you see a movie poster that says "Best movie of the year" but the original
review was "this would be the best movie of the year only if no other movies had
been made that year". It's a childish ploy used by desperate people so please
don't stoop that low. Looking forward to your reply.
>Regards
>Matt
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande