Mountain Bikers TROUNCED in Los Angeles!

[GaryG]

"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 10:39:11 -0700, "GaryG" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
> ."Chris Glidden" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> .news:riy6e.746$xE2.685@fed1read04...
> .>
> .> "Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> .> news:[email protected]...
> .> > On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 12:18:23 -0700, "Chris Glidden"
> .> > <[email protected]>
> .> > wrote:
> .> >
> .> > .
> .> > ."Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> .> > .news:[email protected]...
> .> > .> On Tue, 5 Apr 2005 12:24:32 -0700, "Chris Glidden"
> .> > .> <[email protected]>
> .> > .> wrote:
> .> > .>
> .> > .> .
> .> > .> ."Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote
> .> > .> .(Snip other person's accomplishments)
> .> > .> .
> .> > .> .What have you done lately Mike? Besides posting the same old
tired
> .> > out
> .> > .> .drivel you've been posting for years.
> .> > .>
> .> > .> See my web site.
> .> > .> ===
> .> > .> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
> .> > .> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
> .> > .> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
> .> > .>
> .> > .> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
> .> > .I read your website 10 years ago and have checked back periodically.
> .It
> .> > .hasn't changed.
> .> >
> .> > You are lying. It changes almost daily.
> .> > ===
> .> > I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
> .> > humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
> .> > years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
> .> >
> .> > http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
> .>
> .> Content may change but there is nothing new there, it's the same tired
old
> .> rhetoric you've been spewing for years.
> .>
> .>
> .
> .Do you suppose Mikey's parents are proud of him? Do they email links to
his
> .web page to friends and acquaintances? Do they mention Mike's work to
> ."fight auto dependence" in their Christmas letters?
> .
> .Or, do they worry about him wasting his life on such a trivial obsession?
> .
> .GG
>
> Why the obsession with ME? I can't think of a more trivial pursuit....

It's mostly for sport, Mikey. You're an easy target with your ridiculous
obsessions, and irritating troll-like presence. You must be a very lonely
guy in the real world, eh?

GG

 

[Steven M. Scharf]

"Jason" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> So basically you all lied and blamed everything on one group instead of
> all taking responsibility and trying to come to a compramise. Typical
> lying environmentalists.

Which is ironic, since equestrians do far more damage to the trails than
mountain bikes. The big difference is that equestrians tend to be older, and
wealthier.

MV exaggerated what happened in L.A.. The master plan is not completed, and
there will almost certainly be a compromise that allows mountain biking in
the park, because studies have shown that the city's less affluent residents
are in favor of multi-use.

Ask a park ranger about horses versus mountain bikes sometime, you'll touch
a nerve. While there will be the occasional mis-behaving mountain biker that
does some damage, even the most polite equestrian does far more damage. In
one open space area near my house, it's pretty hopeless to hike there in the
winter and spring, due to all the trail damage from equestrians which is
exacerbated by the rain. In fact I just bought a mountain bike so I can
actually use that area.

Equestrians have enough money and influence to continue to have access to
public lands, despite the damage they inflict.

 

[Peb0]

"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 5 Apr 2005 22:37:43 -0700, "GaryG" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> ."Slack" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> .news:[email protected]...
> .> NeXuS wrote:
> .> > "Shaun aRe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> .> > news:[email protected]...
> .> >
> .> >>"NeXuS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> .> >>news:[email protected]...
> .> >>
> .> >>>"Slack" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> .> >>>news:[email protected]...
> .> >>>
> .> >>>>The Wogster wrote:
> .> >>>>
> .> >>>>
> .> >>>>>And for those who like to "thrash their guts out" there are other
> .> >>
> .> >>issues
> .> >>
> .> >>>>>too, first they can wreck it for everyone, second they can wreck
> .> >>>>>themselves too, I have seen on TV, mountain bikers in action, and
> um,
> .> >>>>>that can't be good for a persons body, even with full
> .> >>>>>suspensions......
> .> >>>>>Wonder how many of those guys will find that at age 50 they have
> .> >>
> .> >>serious
> .> >>
> .> >>>>>medical issues.....
> .> >>>>>
> .> >>>>>
> .> >>>>>W
> .> >>>>>
> .> >>>>>
> .> >>>>
> .> >>>>That was pretty funny, you little jelly fish.
> .> >>>
> .> >>>You don't think he has a valid point?
> .> >>
> .> >>*Invalid* point, aka *erectile dysfunction* - HTH.
> .> >>
> .> >>
> .> >
> .> > Very funny.
> .> >
> .> >
> .> Once in awhile, Shaun whips out a decent one.
> .> --
> .> Slack
> .
> .Speaking of whipping out...I wonder when was the last time Vandyman got
> .laid? I'm guessing it's been a very long time. I've asked him on prior
> .occasions if he has any close personal relationships in the real world,
> but
> .he's chosen to ignore the question. Given the depths of his obsession,
> it
> .seems very unlikely that he has a life beyond his incessant
> posting...thus
> .his manic spiral into extremism. Even the environmentalists think he's
> .nuts.
>
> "All great truths begin as blasphemies." George Bernard Shaw

Ummmm.....
Perhaps true... I have no desire to debate it but it seems this is only half
of the full quote...
It should read...

"All great truths begin as blasphemies but all blasphemies are not great
truths." Me

And in fact, almost all blasphemies are just blasphemies. The "Great Truth"
ones are as rare as "good mutations"... almost all are lethal.
Your quote, much like most of your ranting drivel, isn't even half complete.
A prime example that the dimmest bulb burns the longest.
Don't fool yourself... you're a retard.
You should learn to whack off with two hands so that they keep clear of your
keyboard.

>
> .GG
> ===
> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>
> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

 

[Just zis Guy, you know?]

On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 02:55:03 GMT, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]>
wrote in message <[email protected]>:

>.>Why don't YOU tell them?

>.Because telling other people what do based on entirely arbitrary
>.criteria is /your/ speciality.

>BS. You just can't stand having the truth told about mountain biking.

I feel cheated! I went away for a week expecting at least one post
from you worth arguing with and this is the best you can do, a
playground taunt with no basis in fact because it does not engage with
any part of what I have actually written. For shame, Mike! Or have
you, too, gone away and left the bot in charge? This does look more
like a Vandebot than the authentic article. And there is no response
at all to a number of telling points made by others in this same
thread!

Of course, the real Mike can't stand having the truth told about horse
riding or hiking, either, or having any part of the truth told about
mountain biking other than the tiny subset which supports his
self-evident bigotry, but at least the real Mike is at least
fractionally more inventive. Yes, this one must have been the work of
the Vandebot.

Guy
--
May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk

85% of helmet statistics are made up, 69% of them at CHS, Puget Sound

 

[Just zis Guy, you know?]

On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 03:16:39 GMT, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]>
wrote in message <[email protected]>:

>.What would be the point? I would say that a random sample of active
>.adults from any Western democracy would reveal that pretty close to
>.100% break the law at least some of the time. Mostly traffic laws,
>.but others too.

>Not as much as mountain bikers do. That's the point of the study.

As usual that is bigotry, not evidence. I have evidence that 90% or
more of drivers freely admit to speeding, so you need to provide an
externally verifiable citation that *more* than 90% of *all* mountain
bikers break the law.

Put up or shut up.

Guy
--
May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk

85% of helmet statistics are made up, 69% of them at CHS, Puget Sound

 

[Just zis Guy, you know?]

On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 03:14:09 GMT, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]>
wrote in message <[email protected]>:

>.>.The fundamental problem here is that you are a bigot. Because you are
>.>.a bigot you see everything done by your chosen hate group as a
>.>.problem, and absolutely nothing they do as anything but a problem.

>.>You are full of it. I don't have a "hate group". I just tell the truth --

>.For certain values of "truth". Your bigotry is plain for all to see.
>.The fact that you are apparently blind to it only makes it the more
>.apparent to everyone else.

>You are LYING. You haven't exhibited even ONE "bigoted" statement.

No, but you have. For example, actively seeking the support of horse
riders to bash mountain bikers despite the obvious damage that horse
riding can do to trails. But no evidence is needed beyond your
ceaseless trolling of biking newsgroups over a period of years. You
have admitted that no human activity is free of impact on wildlife,
yet you are not trolling the hiking, horse riding and off-road driving
newsgroups. Bigotry, plain and simple.

>.And if you were able to tell the truth you would not practice your
>.selfish and destructive choices either. No human intrusion on the
>.environment is possible without impacting on the wildlife.

>I know that better than you do.

Yet, because of your bigotry, you choose arbitrarily to oppose one
activity while actually engaging in another and supporting a third.

>.>I already said that everyone causes damage. But you miss the point. This isn't
>.>about mountain BIKERS, but about BIKES, which are not people. I know you'd
>.>rather talk about someone else, however....

>.I think you'll find that the bikes don't move without the bikers, just
>.as horses behave very differently when they are not being ridden.
>.Your obsessive focus on one of the many man-made implements used to
>.intrude on nature - others of which include hiking boots, horse shoes,
>.cross-country motorcycles and all-wheel-drive motor vehicles - reveals
>.you as a bigot plain and simple.

>No, just a specialist.

A specialist in bashing one particular activity, yes. But you are
happy to support others who damage trails in your attempts to bash
biking. That is not specialism, that is bigotry.

>.>Mountain bikes are not people OR animals, so should be banned.

>.Neither are horse shoes, saddles or hiking boots. Do you go naked
>.when you go hiking? I'm betting not - it would frighten the horses.

>You can answer that yourself, unless you are even stupider than you appear.

Oh I know the answer alright, and thus your choice is revealed as
entirely arbitrary. Bigot.

Guy
--
May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk

85% of helmet statistics are made up, 69% of them at CHS, Puget Sound

 

[Just zis Guy, you know?]

On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 03:05:35 GMT, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]>
wrote in message <[email protected]>:

>.> You still haven't answered the question. What does the harm that mountain
>.> biking
>.> does have to do with horseback riding (hint: NOTHING)?

>.Ok then, EVERYTHING......... They do just as much damage. Learn to flame
>.properly schoolgirl.

>Wrong answer. They are totally unrelated. DUH!

Really? Totally unrelated? I can make a good case for them being
strongly related - both are means for humans to increase speed and
distance covered, and to travel further with less effort expended,
both result in localised damage and transient disturbance rather than
the longer-lasting disturbance inflicted by hikers, both groups are at
risk from motor traffic so have an incentive to seek recreation in
open spaces. Yep, horse riders and cyclists have a lot in common.

In fact, if the horse riders were not bashing your favourite hate
group it's odds-on that you'd be against them as well. But you are a
bigot, so the fact that in this case the horse riders are attacking
your favourite hate group means you are in a cleft stick. It's fun to
watch!

Guy
--
May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk

85% of helmet statistics are made up, 69% of them at CHS, Puget Sound

 

[Gary S.]

On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 13:01:29 +0100, "Just zis Guy, you know?"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 03:05:35 GMT, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]>
>wrote in message <[email protected]>:
>
>>.> You still haven't answered the question. What does the harm that mountain
>>.> biking
>>.> does have to do with horseback riding (hint: NOTHING)?
>
>>.Ok then, EVERYTHING......... They do just as much damage. Learn to flame
>>.properly schoolgirl.
>
>>Wrong answer. They are totally unrelated. DUH!
>
>Really? Totally unrelated? I can make a good case for them being
>strongly related - both are means for humans to increase speed and

>open spaces. Yep, horse riders and cyclists have a lot in common.
>
>In fact, if the horse riders were not bashing your favourite hate
>group it's odds-on that you'd be against them as well. But you are a
>bigot, so the fact that in this case the horse riders are attacking
>your favourite hate group means you are in a cleft stick. It's fun to
>watch!
>
No, he is enough of a hyprocrite and manipulator of people to have no
issues with using one group to ban another, then proceeding to try to
ban the successful group.

The equestrian people are being used by Mikie. Sooner or later they
will realize his real goals which include banning all horse riding, or
even to not having horses in this hemisphere.

Happy trails,
Gary (net.yogi.bear)
--
At the 51st percentile of ursine intelligence

Gary D. Schwartz, Needham, MA, USA
Please reply to: garyDOTschwartzATpoboxDOTcom

 

[Mike Vandeman]

On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 18:17:22 -0700, "GaryG" <[email protected]> wrote:

.."Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
..news:[email protected]...
..> On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 10:39:11 -0700, "GaryG" <[email protected]>
..wrote:
..>
..> ."Chris Glidden" <[email protected]> wrote in message
..> .news:riy6e.746$xE2.685@fed1read04...
..> .>
..> .> "Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
..> .> news:[email protected]...
..> .> > On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 12:18:23 -0700, "Chris Glidden"
..> .> > <[email protected]>
..> .> > wrote:
..> .> >
..> .> > .
..> .> > ."Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
..> .> > .news:[email protected]...
..> .> > .> On Tue, 5 Apr 2005 12:24:32 -0700, "Chris Glidden"
..> .> > .> <[email protected]>
..> .> > .> wrote:
..> .> > .>
..> .> > .> .
..> .> > .> ."Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote
..> .> > .> .(Snip other person's accomplishments)
..> .> > .> .
..> .> > .> .What have you done lately Mike? Besides posting the same old
..tired
..> .> > out
..> .> > .> .drivel you've been posting for years.
..> .> > .>
..> .> > .> See my web site.
..> .> > .> ===
..> .> > .> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
..> .> > .> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
..> .> > .> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
..> .> > .>
..> .> > .> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
..> .> > .I read your website 10 years ago and have checked back periodically.
..> .It
..> .> > .hasn't changed.
..> .> >
..> .> > You are lying. It changes almost daily.
..> .> > ===
..> .> > I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
..> .> > humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
..> .> > years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
..> .> >
..> .> > http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
..> .>
..> .> Content may change but there is nothing new there, it's the same tired
..old
..> .> rhetoric you've been spewing for years.
..> .>
..> .>
..> .
..> .Do you suppose Mikey's parents are proud of him? Do they email links to
..his
..> .web page to friends and acquaintances? Do they mention Mike's work to
..> ."fight auto dependence" in their Christmas letters?
..> .
..> .Or, do they worry about him wasting his life on such a trivial obsession?
..> .
..> .GG
..>
..> Why the obsession with ME? I can't think of a more trivial pursuit....
..
..It's mostly for sport, Mikey. You're an easy target with your ridiculous
..obsessions, and irritating troll-like presence.

You're LYING, of course. You guys are terrified that someone may learn the truth
about your selfish, destructive sport. You still think you can refute me. Hasn't
happened yet!

You must be a very lonely
..guy in the real world, eh?
..
..GG
..
..

===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

 

[Mike Vandeman]

On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 17:00:44 -0700, "Jeff Strickland" <[email protected]>
wrote:

..
.."Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
..news:[email protected]...
..
..>
..> Why the obsession with ME? I can't think of a more trivial pursuit....
..
..
..You just brought your entire life into focus. You are trivial. Not much of a
..pursuit either.
..
..I have been telling you for several years now that you are out to save .004%
..of the environment from the destructive forces of recreation,

You can repeat your BS as much as you like, but it will never become true.

while another
..25% of the environment is paved over with minimalls. Trivial is a good word
..to describe you.
..

===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

 

[Mike Vandeman]

On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 20:43:05 GMT, "Steven M. Scharf"
<[email protected]> wrote:

.."Jason" <[email protected]> wrote in message
..news:[email protected]...
..
..> So basically you all lied and blamed everything on one group instead of
..> all taking responsibility and trying to come to a compramise. Typical
..> lying environmentalists.
..
..Which is ironic, since equestrians do far more damage to the trails than
..mountain bikes.

BS. There are a lot fewer equestrians than mountain bikers.

The big difference is that equestrians tend to be older, and
..wealthier.

Nonsense. That is pure prejudice.

..MV exaggerated what happened in L.A.

I did? You guys were TROUNCED. You got NOTHING. You are just afraid to admit it.

The master plan is not completed, and
..there will almost certainly be a compromise that allows mountain biking in
..the park, because studies have shown that the city's less affluent residents
..are in favor of multi-use.

BS. Mountain bikers are a TINY minority.

..Ask a park ranger about horses versus mountain bikes sometime, you'll touch
..a nerve. While there will be the occasional mis-behaving mountain biker that
..does some damage,

BS. That's not what the research says. Mountain biking has more impact on
wildife than either hiking or horseback riding.

even the most polite equestrian does far more damage. In
..one open space area near my house, it's pretty hopeless to hike there in the
..winter and spring, due to all the trail damage from equestrians which is
..exacerbated by the rain.

And what have you done about it, hypocrite? Probably NOTHING, proving that you
don't really CARE about trail damage. All you care about is being able to ride
the trails.

In fact I just bought a mountain bike so I can
..actually use that area.
..
..Equestrians have enough money and influence to continue to have access to
..public lands, despite the damage they inflict.
..

===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

 

[Mike Vandeman]

On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 01:37:28 -0500, "Peb0" <[email protected]>
wrote:

..
.."Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
..news:[email protected]...
..> On Tue, 5 Apr 2005 22:37:43 -0700, "GaryG" <[email protected]>
..> wrote:
..>
..> ."Slack" <[email protected]> wrote in message
..> .news:[email protected]...
..> .> NeXuS wrote:
..> .> > "Shaun aRe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
..> .> > news:[email protected]...
..> .> >
..> .> >>"NeXuS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
..> .> >>news:[email protected]...
..> .> >>
..> .> >>>"Slack" <[email protected]> wrote in message
..> .> >>>news:[email protected]...
..> .> >>>
..> .> >>>>The Wogster wrote:
..> .> >>>>
..> .> >>>>
..> .> >>>>>And for those who like to "thrash their guts out" there are other
..> .> >>
..> .> >>issues
..> .> >>
..> .> >>>>>too, first they can wreck it for everyone, second they can wreck
..> .> >>>>>themselves too, I have seen on TV, mountain bikers in action, and
..> um,
..> .> >>>>>that can't be good for a persons body, even with full
..> .> >>>>>suspensions......
..> .> >>>>>Wonder how many of those guys will find that at age 50 they have
..> .> >>
..> .> >>serious
..> .> >>
..> .> >>>>>medical issues.....
..> .> >>>>>
..> .> >>>>>
..> .> >>>>>W
..> .> >>>>>
..> .> >>>>>
..> .> >>>>
..> .> >>>>That was pretty funny, you little jelly fish.
..> .> >>>
..> .> >>>You don't think he has a valid point?
..> .> >>
..> .> >>*Invalid* point, aka *erectile dysfunction* - HTH.
..> .> >>
..> .> >>
..> .> >
..> .> > Very funny.
..> .> >
..> .> >
..> .> Once in awhile, Shaun whips out a decent one.
..> .> --
..> .> Slack
..> .
..> .Speaking of whipping out...I wonder when was the last time Vandyman got
..> .laid? I'm guessing it's been a very long time. I've asked him on prior
..> .occasions if he has any close personal relationships in the real world,
..> but
..> .he's chosen to ignore the question. Given the depths of his obsession,
..> it
..> .seems very unlikely that he has a life beyond his incessant
..> posting...thus
..> .his manic spiral into extremism. Even the environmentalists think he's
..> .nuts.
..>
..> "All great truths begin as blasphemies." George Bernard Shaw
..
..Ummmm.....
..Perhaps true... I have no desire to debate it but it seems this is only half
..of the full quote...
..It should read...
..
.."All great truths begin as blasphemies but all blasphemies are not great
..truths." Me
..
..And in fact, almost all blasphemies are just blasphemies. The "Great Truth"
..ones are as rare as "good mutations"... almost all are lethal.

Stop beating around the bush. If you think something I said is wrong, QUOTE it.
Stop bluffing.

..Your quote, much like most of your ranting drivel, isn't even half complete.
..A prime example that the dimmest bulb burns the longest.
..Don't fool yourself... you're a retard.
..You should learn to whack off with two hands so that they keep clear of your
..keyboard.
..
..>
..> .GG
..> ===
..> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
..> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
..> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
..>
..> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
..

===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

 

[Mike Vandeman]

On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 21:25:18 +0100, "Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email protected]>
wrote:

..On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 02:55:03 GMT, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]>
..wrote in message <[email protected]>:
..
..>.>Why don't YOU tell them?
..
..>.Because telling other people what do based on entirely arbitrary
..>.criteria is /your/ speciality.
..
..>BS. You just can't stand having the truth told about mountain biking.
..
..I feel cheated! I went away for a week expecting at least one post
..from you worth arguing with and this is the best you can do, a
..playground taunt with no basis in fact because it does not engage with
..any part of what I have actually written. For shame, Mike! Or have
..you, too, gone away and left the bot in charge? This does look more
..like a Vandebot than the authentic article. And there is no response
..at all to a number of telling points made by others in this same
..thread!
..
..Of course, the real Mike can't stand having the truth told about horse
..riding or hiking, either, or having any part of the truth told about
..mountain biking other than the tiny subset which supports his
..self-evident bigotry, but at least the real Mike is at least
..fractionally more inventive. Yes, this one must have been the work of
..the Vandebot.
..
..Guy

Did you say anything?
===
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[Mike Vandeman]

On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 08:27:16 +0100, "Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email protected]>
wrote:

..On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 03:14:09 GMT, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]>
..wrote in message <[email protected]>:
..
..>.>.The fundamental problem here is that you are a bigot. Because you are
..>.>.a bigot you see everything done by your chosen hate group as a
..>.>.problem, and absolutely nothing they do as anything but a problem.
..
..>.>You are full of it. I don't have a "hate group". I just tell the truth --
..
..>.For certain values of "truth". Your bigotry is plain for all to see.
..>.The fact that you are apparently blind to it only makes it the more
..>.apparent to everyone else.
..
..>You are LYING. You haven't exhibited even ONE "bigoted" statement.
..
..No, but you have. For example, actively seeking the support of horse
..riders to bash mountain bikers despite the obvious damage that horse
..riding can do to trails.

I said exhibit a bigoted statement. You haven't done that. Put up or shut up.

But no evidence is needed beyond your
..ceaseless trolling of biking newsgroups over a period of years.

I just tell the truth about mountain biking. Telling the truth can't be bigotry.

You
..have admitted that no human activity is free of impact on wildlife,
..yet you are not trolling the hiking, horse riding and off-road driving
..newsgroups. Bigotry, plain and simple.
..
..>.And if you were able to tell the truth you would not practice your
..>.selfish and destructive choices either. No human intrusion on the
..>.environment is possible without impacting on the wildlife.
..
..>I know that better than you do.
..
..Yet, because of your bigotry, you choose arbitrarily to oppose one
..activity while actually engaging in another and supporting a third.

You are nothing but a LIAR. I have NEVER supported horseback riding, which you
well know. But mountain bikers have never been able to defend their sport
without LYING.

..>.>I already said that everyone causes damage. But you miss the point. This isn't
..>.>about mountain BIKERS, but about BIKES, which are not people. I know you'd
..>.>rather talk about someone else, however....
..
..>.I think you'll find that the bikes don't move without the bikers, just
..>.as horses behave very differently when they are not being ridden.
..>.Your obsessive focus on one of the many man-made implements used to
..>.intrude on nature - others of which include hiking boots, horse shoes,
..>.cross-country motorcycles and all-wheel-drive motor vehicles - reveals
..>.you as a bigot plain and simple.
..
..>No, just a specialist.
..
..A specialist in bashing one particular activity, yes.

Telling the truth isn't "bashing".

But you are
..happy to support others who damage trails in your attempts to bash
..biking. That is not specialism, that is bigotry.
..
..>.>Mountain bikes are not people OR animals, so should be banned.
..
..>.Neither are horse shoes, saddles or hiking boots. Do you go naked
..>.when you go hiking? I'm betting not - it would frighten the horses.
..
..>You can answer that yourself, unless you are even stupider than you appear.
..
..Oh I know the answer alright, and thus your choice is revealed as
..entirely arbitrary. Bigot.
..
..Guy

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[Mike Vandeman]

On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 13:01:29 +0100, "Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email protected]>
wrote:

..On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 03:05:35 GMT, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]>
..wrote in message <[email protected]>:
..
..>.> You still haven't answered the question. What does the harm that mountain
..>.> biking
..>.> does have to do with horseback riding (hint: NOTHING)?
..
..>.Ok then, EVERYTHING......... They do just as much damage. Learn to flame
..>.properly schoolgirl.
..
..>Wrong answer. They are totally unrelated. DUH!
..
..Really? Totally unrelated? I can make a good case for them being
..strongly related - both are means for humans to increase speed and
..distance covered, and to travel further with less effort expended,
..both result in localised damage and transient disturbance rather than
..the longer-lasting disturbance inflicted by hikers, both groups are at
..risk from motor traffic so have an incentive to seek recreation in
..open spaces. Yep, horse riders and cyclists have a lot in common.

But the damage one does has NOTHING to do with the damage the other one does.
DUH!

..In fact, if the horse riders were not bashing your favourite hate
..group it's odds-on that you'd be against them as well. But you are a
..bigot, so the fact that in this case the horse riders are attacking
..your favourite hate group means you are in a cleft stick.

I don't have a hate group, liar. I just tell the truth about mountain biking --
something mountain bikers can't stand.

It's fun to
..watch!
..
..Guy

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[Mike Vandeman]

On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 15:55:26 GMT, Gary S. <Idontwantspam@net> wrote:

..On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 13:01:29 +0100, "Just zis Guy, you know?"
..<[email protected]> wrote:
..
..>On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 03:05:35 GMT, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]>
..>wrote in message <[email protected]>:
..>
..>>.> You still haven't answered the question. What does the harm that mountain
..>>.> biking
..>>.> does have to do with horseback riding (hint: NOTHING)?
..>
..>>.Ok then, EVERYTHING......... They do just as much damage. Learn to flame
..>>.properly schoolgirl.
..>
..>>Wrong answer. They are totally unrelated. DUH!
..>
..>Really? Totally unrelated? I can make a good case for them being
..>strongly related - both are means for humans to increase speed and
..
..>open spaces. Yep, horse riders and cyclists have a lot in common.
..>
..>In fact, if the horse riders were not bashing your favourite hate
..>group it's odds-on that you'd be against them as well. But you are a
..>bigot, so the fact that in this case the horse riders are attacking
..>your favourite hate group means you are in a cleft stick. It's fun to
..>watch!
..>
..No, he is enough of a hyprocrite and manipulator of people to have no
..issues with using one group to ban another, then proceeding to try to
..ban the successful group.
..
..The equestrian people are being used by Mikie. Sooner or later they
..will realize his real goals which include banning all horse riding, or
..even to not having horses in this hemisphere.

What hemisphere? Horses evolved in North America, and belong here, more than you
do.

..Happy trails,
..Gary (net.yogi.bear)

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[GaryG]

"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 18:17:22 -0700, "GaryG" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
> ."Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> .news:[email protected]...
> .> On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 10:39:11 -0700, "GaryG" <[email protected]>
> .wrote:
> .>
> .> ."Chris Glidden" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> .> .news:riy6e.746$xE2.685@fed1read04...
> .> .>
> .> .> "Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> .> .> news:[email protected]...
> .> .> > On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 12:18:23 -0700, "Chris Glidden"
> .> .> > <[email protected]>
> .> .> > wrote:
> .> .> >
> .> .> > .
> .> .> > ."Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> .> .> > .news:[email protected]...
> .> .> > .> On Tue, 5 Apr 2005 12:24:32 -0700, "Chris Glidden"
> .> .> > .> <[email protected]>
> .> .> > .> wrote:
> .> .> > .>
> .> .> > .> .
> .> .> > .> ."Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote
> .> .> > .> .(Snip other person's accomplishments)
> .> .> > .> .
> .> .> > .> .What have you done lately Mike? Besides posting the same old
> .tired
> .> .> > out
> .> .> > .> .drivel you've been posting for years.
> .> .> > .>
> .> .> > .> See my web site.
> .> .> > .> ===
> .> .> > .> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
> .> .> > .> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
> .> .> > .> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
> .> .> > .>
> .> .> > .> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
> .> .> > .I read your website 10 years ago and have checked back
periodically.
> .> .It
> .> .> > .hasn't changed.
> .> .> >
> .> .> > You are lying. It changes almost daily.
> .> .> > ===
> .> .> > I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
> .> .> > humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
> .> .> > years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
> .> .> >
> .> .> > http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
> .> .>
> .> .> Content may change but there is nothing new there, it's the same
tired
> .old
> .> .> rhetoric you've been spewing for years.
> .> .>
> .> .>
> .> .
> .> .Do you suppose Mikey's parents are proud of him? Do they email links
to
> .his
> .> .web page to friends and acquaintances? Do they mention Mike's work to
> .> ."fight auto dependence" in their Christmas letters?
> .> .
> .> .Or, do they worry about him wasting his life on such a trivial
obsession?
> .> .
> .> .GG
> .>
> .> Why the obsession with ME? I can't think of a more trivial pursuit....
> .
> .It's mostly for sport, Mikey. You're an easy target with your ridiculous
> .obsessions, and irritating troll-like presence.
>
> You're LYING, of course. You guys are terrified that someone may learn the
truth
> about your selfish, destructive sport. You still think you can refute me.
Hasn't
> happened yet!

It will never happen, Mikey...not because you're never wrong, but because
your mental state precludes you from ever admitting it.

"True believers" such as yourself can never be proven wrong. That applies
whether we're talking about Mike Vandemann, Ted Kaczynski, Eric Rudolph, or
others. It's a shame you can't see that, but that's the nature of it.

GG

>
> You must be a very lonely
> .guy in the real world, eh?
> .
> .GG
> .
> .
>
> ===
> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>
> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

 

[stevemtbsteve]

C'mon he may troll and he may anoy a few riders, but lets face it posting at 11.18, 11.20, 11.39,11.44, 11.45, 11.56 the mv'ster has got commitment lol the absolute determination and psychopathy of these posts leaves me either feeling a bit sorry for him or just gives me a grin this man knows no other words other than his own.I work in mental health services, and when people challenge the limits of the society, the services get stuck in a debate, about whether to we as a society choose exclude an individual or engage them. And rather than the mv'sters 'points' (in loose terms) being the topic of discussion for most folk, it seems to be whether we should engae him or exclude him. But you exclude him, he wins as he assumes he must be right, or you engage him a ponitless task as in his eyes he is right - again he wins Give him pity, anger or license; it matters not just keep riding (i would normally say with respect, but in his eyes this cannot happen) be yourselves (only in lycra)

 

[Mike Vandeman]

On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 21:34:55 +0100, "Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email protected]>
wrote:

..On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 03:16:39 GMT, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]>
..wrote in message <[email protected]>:
..
..>.What would be the point? I would say that a random sample of active
..>.adults from any Western democracy would reveal that pretty close to
..>.100% break the law at least some of the time. Mostly traffic laws,
..>.but others too.
..
..>Not as much as mountain bikers do. That's the point of the study.
..
..As usual that is bigotry, not evidence.

Read the report. Maybe IMBA will be honest enough to provide it to you. MAYBE.

I have evidence that 90% or
..more of drivers freely admit to speeding, so you need to provide an
..externally verifiable citation that *more* than 90% of *all* mountain
..bikers break the law.
..
..Put up or shut up.
..
..Guy

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[Gary S.]

On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 22:20:05 GMT, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]>
wrote:

>You can repeat your BS as much as you like, but it will never become true.
>
Are you the only one who can use that technique?

Happy trails,
Gary (net.yogi.bear)
--
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