MTBF for SPD-SL cleats?

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Larry Dickman said:

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Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

Recessed into a MTB sole with a metal cleat..no surprise that they are
easier to walk in, last longer...but put SPD on a road shoe, walk
around a lot...not easy to walk in, wear out...

Don't SPD road cleats have pontoons for walking and wear minimization?

Some road shoes actually can accept regular SPD cleats. These are plain
dangerous as there's no grip at all at the front.

It's the SPD-SL (road cleat) that has special pontoons for walking.
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Larry Dickman said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

Recessed into a MTB sole with a metal cleat..no surprise that they are
easier to walk in, last longer...but put SPD on a road shoe, walk
around a lot...not easy to walk in, wear out...

Don't SPD road cleats have pontoons for walking and wear minimization?

Yeah. Walking a little -- like out the door and a minute or two when
stopped to pee or buy a drink is no big deal. Plus the cleats are
metal and last a long time. It's not graceful, but it's not bad
either.

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Artoi said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Larry Dickman said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

Recessed into a MTB sole with a metal cleat..no surprise that they are
easier to walk in, last longer...but put SPD on a road shoe, walk
around a lot...not easy to walk in, wear out...

Don't SPD road cleats have pontoons for walking and wear minimization?

Some road shoes actually can accept regular SPD cleats. These are plain
dangerous as there's no grip at all at the front.

It's the SPD-SL (road cleat) that has special pontoons for walking.

The original SPD road cleats (not SPD-SL or SPD-R) come with pontoons
for walking too.
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John Forrest Tomlinson said:

The original SPD road cleats (not SPD-SL or SPD-R) come with pontoons
for walking too.

What do they look like? How are they different to the SPD for MTB work?
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SPD-R (R=Road) come with pontoons:

http://tinyurl.com/uurqj

SPD-SL have built in pontoons:

http://tinyurl.com/y3ftc8

I've never seen SPDs that came with pontoons:

http://tinyurl.com/y3qret

But I have been wrong before.

Chuck Davis

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Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

John Forrest Tomlinson said:

The original SPD road cleats (not SPD-SL or SPD-R) come with pontoons
for walking too.

What do they look like? How are they different to the SPD for MTB work?
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Chuck Davis said:

SPD-R (R=Road) come with pontoons:

http://tinyurl.com/uurqj

SPD-SL have built in pontoons:

http://tinyurl.com/y3ftc8

I've never seen SPDs that came with pontoons:

http://tinyurl.com/y3qret

But I have been wrong before.

This was plain old SPD for the road (not SPD-R) and could use
pontoons:

http://www.cyclesuperstore.ie/shop/pc/viewPrd.asp?idcategory=121&idproduct=4252

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"John Forrest Tomlinson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

...

This was plain old SPD for the road (not SPD-R) and could use
pontoons:

http://www.cyclesuperstore.ie/shop/pc/viewPrd.asp?idcategory=121&idproduct=4252

As I said, I have been wrong before:

http://tinyurl.com/yzl4g8

Chuck Davis

Simon Brooke said:

Peter Clinch (') said:

Doki said:

I have Time ATACs. They have a metal cleat (LBS told me what it was,
very wear resistant apparently).

in a not particularly wear resistant sort of way... ;-/
My one beef with ATACs is the cleats do seem to wear down pretty fast,
and I seem to replace them every couple of years.

Mine wear faster than that - but I'm still very satisfied with them. Of
course cleats are consumables, but it isn't rocket science to have a look
at the bottom of your shoes before you put them on.

Time ATAC cleats are brass. Harder than plastic, not as
hard as steel, so the cleat wears more than the retention bars
on the pedals (or a steel SPD cleat). Since they are brass, it
is pretty easy to file them down if you want to make it easier
to clip out.

For plastic road cleats like Look, SPD-SL, etc the wear depends
a lot on if you walk on any rough surfaces. Months of clicky clacking
around the coffee shop is probably less wear than a few trips up
and back a gravel driveway. If you habitually clip out with a
preferred foot at stoplights (and who doesn't?) that cleat
generally wears first.

Ben

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Artoi said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

John Forrest Tomlinson said:

The original SPD road cleats (not SPD-SL or SPD-R) come with pontoons
for walking too.

What do they look like? How are they different to the SPD for MTB work?
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http://www.jensonusa.com/store/product/PE406Z09-Sh-71+Floating+Spd+Cleat+
W+Pontoons.aspx

I'm not sure if that pontoon is a removable piece or not.

Also, that SPD cleat looks a little weird to me, but is definitely not
an SPD-R cleat, as you can see here:

http://www.jensonusa.com/store/product/PE406Z15-Shimano+Sm-Sh91+Spd-R+Cli
pless+Cleats.aspx

The tidiest setup I've seen for SPD-pattern cleats on a road shoe is
probably the Crank Brothers "quattro three hole cleat":

http://crankbrothers.com/3hole_cleat.php?itemId=

It is in fact Egg Beater compatible as well, so basically any 3-hole
road shoe can be made walkable.

That said, I think the best solution for most riders is to start with a
walkable shoe and work from there. Along with some very nice 2-hole
shoes designed for XC mountain biking (albeit usually with a sole
ranging from somewhat aggressive to very aggressive), there are also a
few shoemakers who have specialty road-style shoes with walkable
outsoles and take 2-hole cleats. Tourists like 'em, along with
semi-practical riders like myself.

For around town or non-competitive (but clipped) MTBing, Shimano and
others make a bunch of flexible-soled (stiffer than most normal shoes,
though) shoes that walk very nicely. Sheldon Brown is a big enough fan
of the SPD sandals that I should make this the year I try them out.

I'm currently experimenting with a set of Look pedals on my road racer,
but all I'm prepared to say about them is that they work as well as the
SPDs I previously used.

I have a bunch of SPD cleats on everything else, and my long-time
favourite shoes are my AXO Blackballs, a discontinued XC shoe with a
walkable outsole and a stiff plastic sole. They race great, walk well,
feel great, and the impending day when I wear them out will be a day of
sorrow.

Ironically, I'm seriously contemplating throwing all my SPD pedals to
the winds and converting my fleet to Egg Beaters. The reason is that I'm
quite enthusiastic about cyclocross, and the SPDs I have are just
horrible at mud and [censored] clearance. Basically, if stuff checks into the
pedal interface, it doesn't check out, and clipping in becomes a tedious
experience.

The Egg Beaters have a great reputation for [censored] clearance, which is
attractive. I have some concerns that missing a clip-in on those is more
likely to be problematic (two-sided SPDs have big enough pedals that a
miss usually ends with the pedal flat underneath the arch of my shoe.
You can pedal like that until you get clear of an intersection and have
enough momentum to attempt a second clip-in). I'm worried that the pedal
would tend to roll under my shoe if I tried to pedal while not clipped.

If anyone has done a good comparison of the original Egg Beaters with
the later Candy/Quattro/Smarty lines I'd love to hear it.

For that matter, if anyone can explain the reason why one would pay $120
for a Candy SL when the Smarty is lighter and half the price, I'd love
to hear it.

Hm. For that matter, the Smarty is nearly as light and the same price as
the value-leader Egg Beater mxr. Temptations abound...

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On Thu, 21 Dec 2006 05:55:45 GMT, Ryan Cousineau <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

http://www.jensonusa.com/store/product/PE406Z09-Sh-71+Floating+Spd+Cleat+
W+Pontoons.aspx

I'm not sure if that pontoon is a removable piece or not.

I'm having trouble viewing that webpage, but SH-71 cleats can be used
with or without pontoons.

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Quoted message said:

Time ATAC cleats are brass.

Aren't they bronze?

In rec.bicycles.tech Chuck Davis said:

http://tinyurl.com/yzl4g8

Does anyone know if it would be possible to take the pontoons from
those and use them with another non-shimano SPD-size cleat? I run
Time ATACs on all my bikes, and have a long gravel driveway. I have a
pair of Sidi road shoes that fit great, but I never use as they're too
annoying to walk on.

-alan

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Ryan Cousineau said:

Ironically, I'm seriously contemplating throwing all my SPD pedals to
the winds and converting my fleet to Egg Beaters. The reason is that I'm
quite enthusiastic about cyclocross, and the SPDs I have are just
horrible at mud and [censored] clearance. Basically, if stuff checks into the
pedal interface, it doesn't check out, and clipping in becomes a tedious
experience.

I had the same problem with SPD clones, although it was more frequently
snow than mud that clogged my pedals. I switched to Time ATAC and the
problems are gone. I decided on the Times due to a local supply of used
pedals (I'm a cheapskate).

Why would you choose the Eggbeaters over the Time pedals?

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Larry Dickman said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

Recessed into a MTB sole with a metal cleat..no surprise that they are
easier to walk in, last longer...but put SPD on a road shoe, walk
around a lot...not easy to walk in, wear out...

Don't SPD road cleats have pontoons for walking and wear minimization?

Haven't seen any pedals come with these since single sided(road) SPD
went away...about 5-6 years ago.

In article <[email hidden]>, dvt <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Ryan Cousineau said:

Ironically, I'm seriously contemplating throwing all my SPD pedals to
the winds and converting my fleet to Egg Beaters. The reason is that I'm
quite enthusiastic about cyclocross, and the SPDs I have are just
horrible at mud and [censored] clearance. Basically, if stuff checks into the
pedal interface, it doesn't check out, and clipping in becomes a tedious
experience.

I had the same problem with SPD clones, although it was more frequently
snow than mud that clogged my pedals. I switched to Time ATAC and the
problems are gone. I decided on the Times due to a local supply of used
pedals (I'm a cheapskate).

Why would you choose the Eggbeaters over the Time pedals?

A good question. I am not averse to the ATACs if the price is right and
the mud clearance is effective.

The Egg Beater is a really tidy design in many ways, and the price is
right, too.

It's an open question which one would be cheaper: a Time Alium
(available for as little as $50 online) would be right there, cost-wise,
with the cheaper Crank Bros. options.

Not that it matters much, but I do race, and the Aliums weigh at least a
hundred grams more than comparably priced Egg Beaters.

But yeah, if I could find enough used ATACs or a fire-sale deal on a few
new pairs, I'd probably grab them, too.

Finally, the fact that there's a fair number of Egg Beaters in my club
influences me: it means I might be able to scrounge a spare pedal at a
race. That was a make-or-break issue (with SPDs) at one race this year.

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John Forrest Tomlinson <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Quoted message said:

This was plain old SPD for the road (not SPD-R) and could use
pontoons:

http://www.cyclesuperstore.ie/shop/pc/viewPrd.asp?idcategory=121&idprod
uct=4252

Does anyone know if this cleat can be used with the double sided type
mountain bike SPD pedals?

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"Art Harris" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:1166564178.769925.143310
@t46g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

Quoted message said:

Duncan Smith said:

I got my first set of SPD-SLs this September (used to ride with SPD),

You should have stayed with the SPDs. I used LOOK pedals and cleats for
years before switching to SPD. I found no difference in performance,
but in terms of walking ease and cleat life, SPD wins hands down.

If you use road shoes with exposed cleats (like Looks), you should really
use a cleat cover. Walking on them is the primary cause of wear. The cleat
cover makes it a lot easier to walk in and you are less likely to slip and
fall.

The only advantage I see to road shoes is that they are a lot lighter.

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Larry Dickman said:

"Art Harris" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:1166564178.769925.143310
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Quoted message said:

Duncan Smith said:

I got my first set of SPD-SLs this September (used to ride with
SPD),

You should have stayed with the SPDs. I used LOOK pedals and cleats
for years before switching to SPD. I found no difference in
performance, but in terms of walking ease and cleat life, SPD wins
hands down.

If you use road shoes with exposed cleats (like Looks), you should
really use a cleat cover. Walking on them is the primary cause of
wear. The cleat cover makes it a lot easier to walk in and you are
less likely to slip and fall.

Yes, but it's hassle to put them on, so you tend not to bother when taking a
few steps. The primary source of wear for mine is putting a tip-toe down at
stops without getting off the saddle. (A bad habit, I know).

Quoted message said:

The only advantage I see to road shoes is that they are a lot lighter.

And stiffer.

~PB

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Ryan Cousineau said:

Ironically, I'm seriously contemplating throwing all my SPD pedals to
the winds and converting my fleet to Egg Beaters. The reason is that I'm
quite enthusiastic about cyclocross, and the SPDs I have are just
horrible at mud and [censored] clearance. Basically, if stuff checks into the
pedal interface, it doesn't check out, and clipping in becomes a tedious
experience.

<snip>

Quoted message said:

dvt <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Why would you choose the Eggbeaters over the Time pedals?

Ryan Cousineau said:

A good question. I am not averse to the ATACs if the price is right and
the mud clearance is effective.

<snip>

Quoted message said:

Finally, the fact that there's a fair number of Egg Beaters in my club
influences me: it means I might be able to scrounge a spare pedal at a
race. That was a make-or-break issue (with SPDs) at one race this year.

In case your curious, I made the switch to Egg Beaters early January (of
this year) and I love 'em. Clipping in/out is a breeze, but I've never
pulled out or unclipped accidentally. I've Also got Smarties on my
commuter and they're great too. I think Egg Beaters would be great
c'cross pedals.

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Georgia Institute of Technology
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Larry Dickman said:

John Forrest Tomlinson <[email hidden]> wrote in
news:[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

This was plain old SPD for the road (not SPD-R) and could use
pontoons:

http://www.cyclesuperstore.ie/shop/pc/viewPrd.asp?idcategory=121&idprod
uct=4252

Does anyone know if this cleat can be used with the double sided type
mountain bike SPD pedals?

That cleat appears to be an SH71, the road cleat with 6 degrees of float.

Then I remembered that Shimano has multiple SPD cleats, and there are
SPD pedal/cleat combos that are incompatible:

http://draco.acs.uci.edu/rbfaq/FAQ/8h.4.html

"PD-M747, M636 M545, M535, M515, M434 can use all cleats (70,71,51,55)."

So those SH71 cleats are compatible with SOME double-sided pedals.

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