On 23 Feb 2007 19:58:55 GMT,
Ian Smith <
[email protected]> wrote:
> On Fri, 23 Feb, Pete Biggs <> wrote:
>> Another link:
>>
>> http://www.sheldonbrown.com/brandt/descending.html :
>> "What is not apparent, is that two wheeled vehicles can be
>> controlled ONLY by countersteer, there is no other way.
>
> Which means, presumably, that it's completely impossible for me to
> steer while riding no-handed.
>
> OK, as long as no-one tells my bike, I'll just carry on doing it and
> we'll be fine.
>
> How do the 'you can only turn by shoving the bars the wrong way' and
> 'leaning a bike won't make it turn' lot explain the ability to ride
> no-hands in other than straight lines?
>
Ian, is this a windup? I can't believe you don't know how this works.
If you really don't know then stand with your hand on the saddle of the
bike holding it upright with the wheel pointing straight ahead. Now lean
the bike either way and watch what the steering does.
Nothing at all prevents you from leaning the bike while riding it. What
is prohibited is moving the centre of mass from a straight line without
moving the centre of mass of something else the other way.
I'm pretty sure I'm being wound up here but, in all it's glorious
detail:
To corner no handed from riding in a straight line.
For simplicity we'll assume the rider starts going in a perfectly
straight line straight ahead with no left/right lean or steer and the
CoM directly above the contact patch.
The rider now leans the bike to the right (and moves their body to the
left) so that the centre of mass stays in the same place (actually it
probably goes down slightly and the Earth moves up to compensate)
The steering geometry[1] now causes the wheel to turn to the right. The
centre of mass continues in a straight line so the centre of mass moves
to the left of the contact point. I'm not sure exactly what the rider
does with their body - they may sit up slightly taller in which case the
CoM stays at the same height as they start to fall to the left or the
CoM may start moving towards the ground.
[1] and possibly gyroscopic effects
The rider now leans the bike to the left, and their body goes to the
right to compensate. The steering geometry now causes the wheel to turn
to the left.
The rider limits the leftward lean of the bike so that the leftward
steering is not enough to move the contact patch back under the centre
of mass. Instead the bike goes round in a circle, centripital force
generated by the reaction of the leaning bike on the ground resolved
towards the centre of the turn accelerating the CoM in a circle, the
normal component of the reaction force against the ground balancing the
force of gravity on the CoM (and to keep momentum conserved, the spin of
the Earth changes slightly)
To finish the turn the rider leans the bike a bit more to the left,
steering turns a bit more and the CoM moves under the contact patch. The
rider allows the bike to come upright so that the steering straightens
at exactly the right rate to put the CoM over the contact patch when the
bike is exactly upright. While the bike is moving upright, the CoM of
the riders body is moving the other way.
A rider can also come out of the lean by accelerating slightly.
In practice of course, going in a straight line is a constant left/right
lean so that the contact patch oscillates from left to right under the
CoM and the left/right oscillations continue while cornering although
the contact patch stays to the right of the CoM to maintain the lean.
But I'm sure you knew all that already.
Tim.
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