My LA Marathon Race



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Eno

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"scody" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> It's long... didn't think you'd want me to post the entire
> thing here...

Maybe your report is long because it was a long day indeed
for many runners. 100 hospitalized due to heat related
issues, and you can probably tripple that number in terms of
those who crawled home feeling miserable--like one of my
friends who ended up in the emergency room later that night
with dehydration despite drinking 2 cups of water at every
water station and drinking Gatorade and water after the
race. I ran/walked (mostly walked) the last 10 miles with my
wife, lending her support, encouragement, etc... I pity
those who ran the full 26.2. Even at mile 5 I could see the
effects the heat were having on runners. Despite what the
weather report may say, at Olympic boulevard (3-4 miles from
the finish), an electronic sign displayed the temperature at
95F. In disbelief, I checked my portable thermometer, and
yup: 95F. Yikes.

If there's one thing to take away: respect the distance,
*especially* in the heat. Oh, yeah, and maybe someone should
put together a "heat training" program.

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"If you can't go fast, go long."
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Arbor77

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>My LA Marathon Race
>From: "scody"

Well, I read your long 4-page account. I think you completed
this marathon for all the right reasons and also for all the
wrong reasons. I note that the race results show that Steve
Cody and Christy Cody are 31 years old and 26 years old, and
finished with chip times of 7:59:18 and 7:59:19, and I
presume that's you, "scody."

Has this inspired you to do it all again with actual
"training," or has it burned your fingers so bad
you'll likely just hang up your medal and be proud of
the one you did?
 
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Scody

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indeed, I can't wait to train and run (or even walk) a
proper marathon. We are thinking about Orange County now...
It's in December. This will give us enough time to start
over, and respect the slow, 10% build.

One of the reasons that we had decided to participate was
because we thought that we could simply drop out and that
participating would keep us psyched for the next one.
Completing the race would be icing on the cake. We were
under the impression that dropping out was a relatively
simple thing to do. We were lucky in that we did well enough
and retained enough fitness from our earlier training that
we did not need it. I stress the words 'lucky enough'. The
experience was incredible by all accounts. I can't WAIT to
do another one.

One of the reasons for this is that, I know the distance
now. I understand the distance. And... I think that I have a
great respect for the marathon. Walk/Run to me now is ok...
where as before, it was out of the question.

And yes, that was us. the sub-8 codys :)

Thanks so much for reading.

"Arbor77" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]
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> >My LA Marathon Race From: "scody"
>
> Well, I read your long 4-page account. I think you
> completed this
marathon for
> all the right reasons and also for all the wrong reasons.
> I note that the
race
> results show that Steve Cody and Christy Cody are 31 years
> old and 26
years
> old, and finished with chip times of 7:59:18 and 7:59:19,
> and I presume
that's
> you, "scody."
>
> Has this inspired you to do it all again with actual
> "training," or has it burned your fingers so bad you'll
> likely just hang up your medal and be
proud
> of the one you did?
 
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Scody

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I liked your post so much that I added to the account... a
lessons learned section at the end. Thanks for keeping me
responsible.

"Arbor77" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]
m22.aol.com...
> >My LA Marathon Race From: "scody"
>
> Well, I read your long 4-page account. I think you
> completed this
marathon for
> all the right reasons and also for all the wrong reasons.
> I note that the
race
> results show that Steve Cody and Christy Cody are 31 years
> old and 26
years
> old, and finished with chip times of 7:59:18 and 7:59:19,
> and I presume
that's
> you, "scody."
>
> Has this inspired you to do it all again with actual
> "training," or has it burned your fingers so bad you'll
> likely just hang up your medal and be
proud
> of the one you did?
 
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Donovan Rebbech

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In article <M273c.6$I%[email protected]>, eNo wrote:
> "scody" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> It's long... didn't think you'd want me to post the
>> entire thing here...
>
>
> Maybe your report is long because it was a long day indeed
> for many runners. 100 hospitalized due to heat related
> issues, and you can probably tripple that number in terms
> of those who crawled home feeling miserable--like one of
> my friends who ended up in the emergency room later that
> night with dehydration despite drinking 2 cups of water at
> every water station and drinking Gatorade and water after
> the race.

I'd be surprised if it was dehydration (if anything he seems
to have taken too much water). But it's true that people can
have severe trouble with the heat. There's a point of
diminishing returns on hydration, because sweat only cools
you down so quickly. After that, you either slow down or
overheat. People who are already maxed out as it is will
simply overheat.

I find it surprising that they time this marathon, in which
large numbers of relatively undertrained runners
participate, such that it is frequently a very hot event.
The fact that it's this hot alone would make me feel
inclined to advise beginners to choose a cooler event (and
also avoid it like plague myself).

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/
 
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Eno

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"Donovan Rebbechi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <M273c.6$I%[email protected]>,
> eNo wrote:
> > "scody" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >> It's long... didn't think you'd want me to post the
> >> entire thing
here...
> >
> >
> > Maybe your report is long because it was a long day
> > indeed for many
runners.
> > 100 hospitalized due to heat related issues, and you can
> > probably
tripple
> > that number in terms of those who crawled home feeling
> > miserable--like
one
> > of my friends who ended up in the emergency room later
> > that night with dehydration despite drinking 2 cups of
> > water at every water station and drinking Gatorade and
> > water after the race.
>
> I'd be surprised if it was dehydration (if anything he
> seems to have
taken too
> much water).

In my book, I normally hold your comments in high regard.
But over-ruling a hands-on doctor's diagnosis by remote
control doesn't bode well for your reputation around
these parts.

--
eNo "Why am I here?"
 
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Teresa Bippert-

Guest
>It's long... didn't think you'd want me to post the entire
>thing here...
>
>http://www.gutternickle.com:8081/blog/2004/03/08/107877240-
>8000.html

Wow, great story! And I won't even say a thing about
training! ;-) Best of luck on starting your training to run
the next one, I think you'll find it tough but not quite the
death march you experienced this time with a good base under
you. ANd you already know well about doing too much too
soon. Another suggestion- pick somewhere where it will be
cool. That helps an awful lot. But thanks for sharing an
excellent story!!

Teresa in AZ
 
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Donovan Rebbech

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In article <[email protected]>, eNo wrote:
> "Donovan Rebbechi" <[email protected]> wrote in message

>> I'd be surprised if it was dehydration (if anything he
>> seems to have taken too much water).
>
> In my book, I normally hold your comments in high regard.
> But over-ruling a hands-on doctor's diagnosis by remote
> control doesn't bode well for your reputation around
> these parts.

I didn't realise a doctor had made that diagnosis. If a
doctor did indeed diagnose this *specifically as
dehydration* (as opposed to some form of heat illness, or
even some form of heat illness that could be caused by
dehydration), then I stand corrected (but I am still
surprised! he really did take a lot of water.).

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/
 
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Donovan Rebbech

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In article <[email protected]>, eNo wrote:
> "Donovan Rebbechi" <[email protected]> wrote in message

>> I'd be surprised if it was dehydration (if anything he
>> seems to have taken too much water).
>
> In my book, I normally hold your comments in high regard.
> But over-ruling a hands-on doctor's diagnosis by remote
> control doesn't bode well for your reputation around
> these parts.

I didn't realise a doctor had made that diagnosis. If a
doctor did indeed diagnose this *specifically as
dehydration* (as opposed to some form of heat illness, or
even some form of heat illness that could be caused by
dehydration), then I stand corrected (but I am still
surprised! he really did take a lot of water.).

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/
 
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Donovan Rebbech

Guest
In article <[email protected]>, eNo wrote:
> "Donovan Rebbechi" <[email protected]> wrote in message

>> I'd be surprised if it was dehydration (if anything he
>> seems to have taken too much water).
>
> In my book, I normally hold your comments in high regard.
> But over-ruling a hands-on doctor's diagnosis by remote
> control doesn't bode well for your reputation around
> these parts.

I didn't realise a doctor had made that diagnosis. If a
doctor did indeed diagnose this *specifically as
dehydration* (as opposed to some form of heat illness, or
even some form of heat illness that could be caused by
dehydration), then I stand corrected (but I am still
surprised! he really did take a lot of water.).

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/
 
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Eno

Guest
"Donovan Rebbechi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> eNo wrote:
> > "Donovan Rebbechi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> >> I'd be surprised if it was dehydration (if anything he
> >> seems to have taken too much water).
> >
> > In my book, I normally hold your comments in high
> > regard. But
over-ruling a
> > hands-on doctor's diagnosis by remote control doesn't
> > bode well for your reputation around these parts.
>
> I didn't realise a doctor had made that diagnosis. If a
> doctor did indeed diagnose this *specifically as
> dehydration* (as opposed to some form of
heat
> illness, or even some form of heat illness that could be
> caused by dehydration), then I stand corrected (but I am
> still surprised! he really
did
> take a lot of water.).

Well, it's all a matter of deficit. Every time I saw him, he
was drenched. He could have taken 2 cups at every
mile/station, but if he sweat 2.5 per
mile... He also made the mistake of wearing a silver blue
outfit (shorts and shirt) that turned navy blue as he
perspired--not the best color for a hot day. He went
home, feeling like he wanted to puke the whole way,
took a shower, and as he stepped out of the shower,
splat, down he went. The paramedics took him to
emergency at a local hospital, they put him on an IV,
and he felt much better. Of course, that IV probably
also had electrolites, so he could have been low on
those, too.

--
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eNo
"If you can't go fast, go long."
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Eno

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"Donovan Rebbechi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> eNo wrote:
> > "Donovan Rebbechi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> >> I'd be surprised if it was dehydration (if anything he
> >> seems to have taken too much water).
> >
> > In my book, I normally hold your comments in high
> > regard. But
over-ruling a
> > hands-on doctor's diagnosis by remote control doesn't
> > bode well for your reputation around these parts.
>
> I didn't realise a doctor had made that diagnosis. If a
> doctor did indeed diagnose this *specifically as
> dehydration* (as opposed to some form of
heat
> illness, or even some form of heat illness that could be
> caused by dehydration), then I stand corrected (but I am
> still surprised! he really
did
> take a lot of water.).

Well, it's all a matter of deficit. Every time I saw him, he
was drenched. He could have taken 2 cups at every
mile/station, but if he sweat 2.5 per
mile... He also made the mistake of wearing a silver blue
outfit (shorts and shirt) that turned navy blue as he
perspired--not the best color for a hot day. He went
home, feeling like he wanted to puke the whole way,
took a shower, and as he stepped out of the shower,
splat, down he went. The paramedics took him to
emergency at a local hospital, they put him on an IV,
and he felt much better. Of course, that IV probably
also had electrolites, so he could have been low on
those, too.

--
ø¤º°`°º¤ø,,,,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,,,,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,,,,ø¤º°`°º¤ø¤º°`°º¤ø,,,,ø¤º
eNo
"If you can't go fast, go long."
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Eno

Guest
"Donovan Rebbechi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> eNo wrote:
> > "Donovan Rebbechi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> >> I'd be surprised if it was dehydration (if anything he
> >> seems to have taken too much water).
> >
> > In my book, I normally hold your comments in high
> > regard. But
over-ruling a
> > hands-on doctor's diagnosis by remote control doesn't
> > bode well for your reputation around these parts.
>
> I didn't realise a doctor had made that diagnosis. If a
> doctor did indeed diagnose this *specifically as
> dehydration* (as opposed to some form of
heat
> illness, or even some form of heat illness that could be
> caused by dehydration), then I stand corrected (but I am
> still surprised! he really
did
> take a lot of water.).

Well, it's all a matter of deficit. Every time I saw him, he
was drenched. He could have taken 2 cups at every
mile/station, but if he sweat 2.5 per
mile... He also made the mistake of wearing a silver blue
outfit (shorts and shirt) that turned navy blue as he
perspired--not the best color for a hot day. He went
home, feeling like he wanted to puke the whole way,
took a shower, and as he stepped out of the shower,
splat, down he went. The paramedics took him to
emergency at a local hospital, they put him on an IV,
and he felt much better. Of course, that IV probably
also had electrolites, so he could have been low on
those, too.

--
ø¤º°`°º¤ø,,,,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,,,,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,,,,ø¤º°`°º¤ø¤º°`°º¤ø,,,,ø¤º
eNo
"If you can't go fast, go long."
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Ed Prochak

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"eNo" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> "Donovan Rebbechi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > eNo wrote:
> > > "Donovan Rebbechi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> > >> I'd be surprised if it was dehydration (if anything
> > >> he seems to have taken too much water).
> > >
> > > In my book, I normally hold your comments in high
> > > regard. But
> over-ruling a
> > > hands-on doctor's diagnosis by remote control doesn't
> > > bode well for your reputation around these parts.
> >
> > I didn't realise a doctor had made that diagnosis. If a
> > doctor did indeed diagnose this *specifically as
> > dehydration* (as opposed to some form of
> heat
> > illness, or even some form of heat illness that could be
> > caused by dehydration), then I stand corrected (but I am
> > still surprised! he really
> did
> > take a lot of water.).
>
>
> Well, it's all a matter of deficit. Every time I saw him,
> he was drenched. He could have taken 2 cups at every
> mile/station, but if he sweat 2.5 per
> mile... He also made the mistake of wearing a silver blue
> outfit (shorts and shirt) that turned navy blue as he
> perspired--not the best color for a hot day. He went
> home, feeling like he wanted to puke the whole way,
> took a shower, and as he stepped out of the shower,
> splat, down he went. The paramedics took him to
> emergency at a local hospital, they put him on an IV,
> and he felt much better. Of course, that IV probably
> also had electrolites, so he could have been low on
> those, too.

Nausea is a definite symptom. (But is that also true of
hyponatremia?)

Did he not take any fluids AFTER the race?

Hot weather has got to be the worst possible case for a
first marathon.
 
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Carlos Jones

Guest
On 10 Mar 2004 10:58:25 -0800, [email protected] (Ed
prochak) wrote:

>Nausea is a definite symptom. (But is that also true of
>hyponatremia?)
>
> Did he not take any fluids AFTER the race?
>
>Hot weather has got to be the worst possible case for a
>first marathon.

Hello, Ed. How's my favourite average man in his average
life doin'?

Tell me, Ed, when was the last time you did something
unusual, out-of-character, rebellious, instinctive, daring,
or just plain silly?
 
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Malcolm Tempt

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On 10 Mar 2004 10:58:25 -0800, [email protected] (Ed prochak) wrote:

>"eNo" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]
>service2.ext.ray.com>...
>> "Donovan Rebbechi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>> > In article
>> > <[email protected]>, eNo
>> > wrote:
>> > > "Donovan Rebbechi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
<SNIP>
>> Well, it's all a matter of deficit. Every time I saw him,
>> he was drenched. He could have taken 2 cups at every
>> mile/station, but if he sweat 2.5 per
>> mile... He also made the mistake of wearing a silver blue
>> outfit (shorts and shirt) that turned navy blue as
>> he perspired--not the best color for a hot day. He
>> went home, feeling like he wanted to puke the whole
>> way, took a shower, and as he stepped out of the
>> shower, splat, down he went. The paramedics took him
>> to emergency at a local hospital, they put him on an
>> IV, and he felt much better. Of course, that IV
>> probably also had electrolites, so he could have
>> been low on those, too.
>
>Nausea is a definite symptom. (But is that also true of
>hyponatremia?)
>
> Did he not take any fluids AFTER the race?
>
>Hot weather has got to be the worst possible case for a
>first marathon.

Most of the runners I saw, me included, had dried salt
tracks down my shorts. BTW, thanks to all who suggested that
I start using Succeed Electrolyte Caps. They probably saved
my life last Sunday....

M.T.