Myths or Issues relating to dangers and vitamins with lo-carb diets?

Discussion in 'Food and nutrition' started by [email protected], Mar 19, 2006.

  1. Hi,

    A member of my family is regularly hassling me to stop low-carbing. I
    really don't want to, I feel great on it. But some of the issues
    raised, if not unfounded, do worry me a little.

    1. I'm told that without sufficient carbohydrate intake - despite
    taking supplementary vitamins - my body will struggle to uptake the
    vitamins/minerals it requires. And that this can lead to long term
    health problems.

    2. I'm told that there have recently been many instances of sudden
    death of Atkins followers due to a build-up of certain acids in their
    blood. Most deaths, apparently, have occured in people who have been
    following the diet for about 10 years. Allegedly they felt fine - until
    they died unexpectedly.

    3. Vague one this - but I'm told that too much protein in your diet as
    opposed to a balance with carbs can lead to heart problems.

    I'd appreciate your thoughts on these three.

    Many thanks!
     
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  2. Jbuch

    Jbuch Guest

    [email protected] wrote:
    > Hi,
    >
    > A member of my family is regularly hassling me to stop low-carbing. I
    > really don't want to, I feel great on it. But some of the issues
    > raised, if not unfounded, do worry me a little.
    >
    > 1. I'm told that without sufficient carbohydrate intake - despite
    > taking supplementary vitamins - my body will struggle to uptake the
    > vitamins/minerals it requires. And that this can lead to long term
    > health problems.
    >
    > 2. I'm told that there have recently been many instances of sudden
    > death of Atkins followers due to a build-up of certain acids in their
    > blood. Most deaths, apparently, have occured in people who have been
    > following the diet for about 10 years. Allegedly they felt fine - until
    > they died unexpectedly.
    >
    > 3. Vague one this - but I'm told that too much protein in your diet as
    > opposed to a balance with carbs can lead to heart problems.
    >
    > I'd appreciate your thoughts on these three.
    >
    > Many thanks!
    >


    You could always ask (DEMAND) to SEE the articles that document this
    stuff. You want to see the articles because
    ..... well people get things garbled so easily.
    ..... there are a lot of false myths and stories about any diet,
    including Atkins and there are lists of incorrect stories and myths in
    the books.
    ..... You heard that "Low Fat" was the only healthy diet, but the
    Government just published a $400 million dollar study that said the
    benefits of "Low Fat" weren't very evident, if at all. You don't want to
    fall for undocumented "Expert Opinion" like that which fueled the "Low
    Fat" insanity.

    Thank them for their concern, but tell them a doctor (PhD, not MD, but
    don't tell them that) told you to insist that you have something
    authoritative to READ and show to other doctors for an opinion. Anyone
    can tell an interesting distorted story, and get it to spread. Look at
    the cheap magazines at the grocery checkout. Health is too important to
    get such sensational information passed off as truth.

    Ask them if they personally know of a diet that has worked as well for
    them as Atkins has for you. You would like to talk to anyone who has
    lost _______ (fill in the blank) pounds and kept it off.

    Again, thank them for their concern. Let them know you appreciate
    informed sincere concern. But that you will probably hate those who
    spread false information that could negate all of the hard work you have
    already put into becomming trimmer and feeling better. Tell them that
    they would surely feel the same.

    --
    1) Eat Till SATISFIED, Not STUFFED... Atkins repeated 9 times in the book
    2) Exercise: It's Non-Negotiable..... Chapter 22 title, Atkins book
    3) Don't Diet Without Supplemental Nutrients... Chapter 23 title, Atkins
    book
    4) A sensible eating plan, and follow it. (Atkins, Self Made or Other)
     
  3. [email protected] wrote:
    > Hi,
    >
    > A member of my family is regularly hassling me to stop low-carbing. I
    > really don't want to, I feel great on it. But some of the issues
    > raised, if not unfounded, do worry me a little.
    >
    > 1. I'm told that without sufficient carbohydrate intake - despite
    > taking supplementary vitamins - my body will struggle to uptake the
    > vitamins/minerals it requires. And that this can lead to long term
    > health problems.


    What makes you think that pasta, cake and potatoes has more essential
    nutrients than steak, broccoli, spinach, blueberries, and all the other
    wonderful food you can eat on LC?


    >
    > 2. I'm told that there have recently been many instances of sudden
    > death of Atkins followers due to a build-up of certain acids in their
    > blood. Most deaths, apparently, have occured in people who have been
    > following the diet for about 10 years. Allegedly they felt fine - until
    > they died unexpectedly.


    According to the tabloids, Elvis is living with Martians. Did you ask
    for a reference for these many instances? I've been LC for 30 years
    and apparently I'm still alive and not fat either.


    >
    > 3. Vague one this - but I'm told that too much protein in your diet as
    > opposed to a balance with carbs can lead to heart problems.



    Why ask us? Ask whovever fed you this BS for proof. It won't be
    forthcoming.


    >
    > I'd appreciate your thoughts on these three.
    >
    > Many thanks!
     
  4. Thanks for the replies so far.

    In answer to this:

    >> 1. I'm told that without sufficient carbohydrate intake - despite
    >> taking supplementary vitamins - my body will struggle to uptake the
    >> vitamins/minerals it requires. And that this can lead to long term
    >> health problems.


    > What makes you think that pasta, cake and potatoes has more essential
    > nutrients than steak, broccoli, spinach, blueberries, and all the other
    > wonderful food you can eat on LC?


    That's not their point really. Their point was that you could eat as
    many nutrients as you like - but that without the intake of carbs -
    your body can't metabolise them. Anyone heard of any truth behind
    this??

    Thanks again,
     
  5. [email protected] wrote:
    > Thanks for the replies so far.
    >
    > In answer to this:
    >
    > >> 1. I'm told that without sufficient carbohydrate intake - despite
    > >> taking supplementary vitamins - my body will struggle to uptake the
    > >> vitamins/minerals it requires. And that this can lead to long term
    > >> health problems.

    >
    > > What makes you think that pasta, cake and potatoes has more essential
    > > nutrients than steak, broccoli, spinach, blueberries, and all the other
    > > wonderful food you can eat on LC?

    >
    > That's not their point really. Their point was that you could eat as
    > many nutrients as you like - but that without the intake of carbs -
    > your body can't metabolise them. Anyone heard of any truth behind
    > this??
    >
    > Thanks again,




    No, now does that make you feel better?
     
  6. <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > Hi,
    >
    >
    > 1. I'm told that without sufficient carbohydrate intake - despite
    > taking supplementary vitamins - my body will struggle to uptake the
    > vitamins/minerals it requires. And that this can lead to long term
    > health problems.
    >


    Vitamins and minerals are generally fat soluble.

    Stupidity can lead to long term health problems.
     
  7. Pat in TX

    Pat in TX Guest


    >
    > That's not their point really. Their point was that you could eat as
    > many nutrients as you like - but that without the intake of carbs -
    > your body can't metabolise them. Anyone heard of any truth behind
    > this??


    This is where your family member has gone wrong: the Atkins diet is not
    "without the intake of carbs". A lot of people who skim the news appear to
    think the same thing. My son has said to me: "You can't eat that--it's got
    carbs in it!" People who do not read about this diet think that it is a NO
    carb diet when it is really a "controlled carb" diet.

    So, first bring your family member up to speed on what the diet actually
    entails. If you start off with a fallacy, it becomes difficult to get back
    to the truth.

    Pat in TX
     
  8. Roger Zoul

    Roger Zoul Guest

    [email protected] wrote:
    :: Thanks for the replies so far.
    ::
    :: In answer to this:
    ::
    :::: 1. I'm told that without sufficient carbohydrate intake - despite
    :::: taking supplementary vitamins - my body will struggle to uptake the
    :::: vitamins/minerals it requires. And that this can lead to long term
    :::: health problems.
    ::
    ::: What makes you think that pasta, cake and potatoes has more
    ::: essential nutrients than steak, broccoli, spinach, blueberries, and
    ::: all the other wonderful food you can eat on LC?
    ::
    :: That's not their point really. Their point was that you could eat as
    :: many nutrients as you like - but that without the intake of carbs -
    :: your body can't metabolise them. Anyone heard of any truth behind
    :: this??
    ::

    Yes. The truth is that's total nonsense. The body can produce all the
    carbohydrate it needs, thus, dietary carbs are nonessential. This is backed
    up by research.
     
  9. Susan

    Susan Guest

    x-no-archive: yes

    Roger Zoul wrote:

    > Yes. The truth is that's total nonsense. The body can produce all the
    > carbohydrate it needs, thus, dietary carbs are nonessential. This is backed
    > up by research.
    >
    >


    Yeah, and it's in every biochemistry text. Humans die without fat or
    protein, but can live without carbs because they're not essential in
    human nutrition; we can manufacture the glucose we need from protein
    and, if necessary, fat.

    Susan
     
  10. Alice Faber

    Alice Faber Guest

    In article <[email protected]>,
    [email protected] wrote:

    > Hi,
    >
    > 2. I'm told that there have recently been many instances of sudden
    > death of Atkins followers due to a build-up of certain acids in their
    > blood. Most deaths, apparently, have occured in people who have been
    > following the diet for about 10 years. Allegedly they felt fine - until
    > they died unexpectedly.


    There was a recent news report about *one* person, who had many
    additional health problems, who died, apparently, of ketoacidosis, while
    on what she claimed was the Atkins diet. Even reading between the lines
    in the news reports of whatever was presented at a medical meeting,
    there's doubt as to whether what she was doing *was* the Atkins diet,
    whether she was under a doctor's care before she became ill, and what
    other health conditions she had. The thing with ketoacidosis, if,
    indeed, that's what she died of, is that you don't just drop dead. You
    feel like crap for several days, and it gets progressively worse. So the
    appropriate answer to this objection is "my doctor has given me a clean
    bill of health, and told me to lose weight; I'm following my doctor's
    orders."

    Believe me, there are still enough people out there who want to
    discredit Atkins that, if there were "many instances" of people dropping
    dead, these critics would *not* be focusing on a single, dubious case
    report.

    --
    AF
    "Non Sequitur U has a really, really lousy debate team."
    --artyw raises the bar on rec.sport.baseball
     
  11. Dusty Bleher

    Dusty Bleher Guest

    Hello "Alice" and all;

    "Alice Faber" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    ....
    >> 2. I'm told that there have recently been many instances of
    >> sudden
    >> death of Atkins followers due to a build-up of certain acids in
    >> their
    >> blood. Most deaths, apparently, have occured in people who have
    >> been
    >> following the diet for about 10 years. Allegedly they felt fine -
    >> until
    >> they died unexpectedly.

    >
    > There was a recent news report about *one* person, who had many
    > additional health problems, who died, apparently, of ketoacidosis,
    > while
    > on what she claimed was the Atkins diet. Even reading between the
    > lines
    > in the news reports of whatever was presented at a medical
    > meeting,
    > there's doubt as to whether what she was doing *was* the Atkins
    > diet,

    Is it just me? Between tobacco caused deaths (435,000), CHD &
    related deaths from poor diet and lack of physical activity
    (365,000), and alcohol abuse (85,000); nearly 1-million folks died
    of more or less preventable causes last year. And the ONLY thing
    that the paper could find to garner a headline was one, single death
    made into a major case because the word "Atkins" was mentioned by
    the victim... <big sigh!>

    ....
    > Believe me, there are still enough people out there who want to
    > discredit Atkins that, if there were "many instances" of people
    > dropping
    > dead, these critics would *not* be focusing on a single, dubious
    > case
    > report.

    Got that right!


    L8r all,
    DustyB
     
  12. Glassman

    Glassman Guest

    <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > Hi,
    >
    > A member of my family is regularly hassling me to stop low-carbing. I
    > really don't want to, I feel great on it. But some of the issues
    > raised, if not unfounded, do worry me a little.
    >
    > 1. I'm told that without sufficient carbohydrate intake - despite
    > taking supplementary vitamins - my body will struggle to uptake the
    > vitamins/minerals it requires. And that this can lead to long term
    > health problems.
    >
    > 2. I'm told that there have recently been many instances of sudden
    > death of Atkins followers due to a build-up of certain acids in their
    > blood. Most deaths, apparently, have occured in people who have been
    > following the diet for about 10 years. Allegedly they felt fine - until
    > they died unexpectedly.
    >



    The book is now almost 40 years old. Last I heard there are currently 30
    million or so Atkins or modified Atkins style followers. If they were
    dropping like flies, we'd be knee deep in bodies. Absolute nonsense.


    --

    JK Sinrod
    www.sinrodstudios.com
    www.MyConeyIslandMemories.com
     
  13. Rocko

    Rocko Guest

    When confronted with "I heard this" or "Someone said that..", I always
    reply: "Show me the data"

    I like the other poster's reference to "Elvis and Aliens"

    Many false or un-informed biases against LC exists.. It is different to old
    beliefs and hard for some to accept change.

    I'm no expert, but I see that when I lower my carb intake, I do better with
    my weight.


    <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > Hi,
    >
    > A member of my family is regularly hassling me to stop low-carbing. I
    > really don't want to, I feel great on it. But some of the issues
    > raised, if not unfounded, do worry me a little.
    >
    > 1. I'm told that without sufficient carbohydrate intake - despite
    > taking supplementary vitamins - my body will struggle to uptake the
    > vitamins/minerals it requires. And that this can lead to long term
    > health problems.
    >
    > 2. I'm told that there have recently been many instances of sudden
    > death of Atkins followers due to a build-up of certain acids in their
    > blood. Most deaths, apparently, have occured in people who have been
    > following the diet for about 10 years. Allegedly they felt fine - until
    > they died unexpectedly.
    >
    > 3. Vague one this - but I'm told that too much protein in your diet as
    > opposed to a balance with carbs can lead to heart problems.
    >
    > I'd appreciate your thoughts on these three.
    >
    > Many thanks!
    >
     
  14. On 19 Mar 2006 05:25:09 -0800, [email protected] wrote:

    >Thanks for the replies so far.
    >
    >In answer to this:
    >
    >>> 1. I'm told that without sufficient carbohydrate intake - despite
    >>> taking supplementary vitamins - my body will struggle to uptake the
    >>> vitamins/minerals it requires. And that this can lead to long term
    >>> health problems.

    >
    >> What makes you think that pasta, cake and potatoes has more essential
    >> nutrients than steak, broccoli, spinach, blueberries, and all the other
    >> wonderful food you can eat on LC?

    >
    >That's not their point really. Their point was that you could eat as
    >many nutrients as you like - but that without the intake of carbs -
    >your body can't metabolise them. Anyone heard of any truth behind
    >this??


    Tell them that the broccoli, cabbage, and romaine lettuce you are
    eating *ARE* carbs.

    Jo Anne
     
  15. Alice Faber wrote:
    > In article <[email protected]>,
    > [email protected] wrote:
    >
    > > Hi,
    > >
    > > 2. I'm told that there have recently been many instances of sudden
    > > death of Atkins followers due to a build-up of certain acids in their
    > > blood. Most deaths, apparently, have occured in people who have been
    > > following the diet for about 10 years. Allegedly they felt fine - until
    > > they died unexpectedly.

    >
    > There was a recent news report about *one* person, who had many
    > additional health problems, who died, apparently, of ketoacidosis, while
    > on what she claimed was the Atkins diet. Even reading between the lines
    > in the news reports of whatever was presented at a medical meeting,
    > there's doubt as to whether what she was doing *was* the Atkins diet,
    > whether she was under a doctor's care before she became ill, and what
    > other health conditions she had. The thing with ketoacidosis, if,
    > indeed, that's what she died of, is that you don't just drop dead. You
    > feel like crap for several days, and it gets progressively worse. So the
    > appropriate answer to this objection is "my doctor has given me a clean
    > bill of health, and told me to lose weight; I'm following my doctor's
    > orders."
    >
    > Believe me, there are still enough people out there who want to
    > discredit Atkins that, if there were "many instances" of people dropping
    > dead, these critics would *not* be focusing on a single, dubious case
    > report.
    >




    Now she supposed to have died too? The only reports I heard said she
    was hospitalized, not that she died.
     
  16. [email protected] wrote:
    >
    > A member of my family is regularly hassling me to stop low-carbing.


    By the way, don't *ever* expect that to stop. You can't change
    someone else. And there's also the fact that ignorance is
    curable with education but stupidity is incurable. Even smart
    people are dumb about some topics. May as well try to
    cure the ignorance.

    My suggestion - Thanks for your concern. How long ago is it
    again? You know, since you read the book ...
     
  17. "Doug Freyburger" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:1142879269.187440.22820[email protected]
    > [email protected] wrote:
    >>
    >> A member of my family is regularly hassling me to stop low-carbing.

    >
    > By the way, don't *ever* expect that to stop. You can't change
    > someone else. And there's also the fact that ignorance is
    > curable with education but stupidity is incurable. Even smart
    > people are dumb about some topics. May as well try to
    > cure the ignorance.
    >
    > My suggestion - Thanks for your concern. How long ago is it
    > again? You know, since you read the book ...


    Whenever someone hassles me about eating this way, I point out what I really
    ate that day and why it's so bad. I was being semi-hassled last week and
    pointed out that for dinner I had fish and roast veggies and a salad. What
    is so bad about that?
     
  18. Joe the Aroma wrote:

    > Whenever someone hassles me about eating this way, I point out what I really
    > ate that day and why it's so bad. I was being semi-hassled last week and
    > pointed out that for dinner I had fish and roast veggies and a salad. What
    > is so bad about that?


    You think you can eat fish and vegetables and be healthy? You're gonna
    DIE, DIE, DIE!

    You have to eat a *balanced* diet... fish and vegetables is not
    balanced! You're not getting your RDA of sugar, bread or potatoes!
    You're going to get diabetes due to lack of sugar, and your brain needs
    bread for fuel so you'll be stupid too, and your kidneys will fall
    completly out of your body without potatoes. Plus you're missing other
    *important* nutrients here... you must add Ben and Jerry's! And french
    fries! And potato chips! And Hershey kisses! Your diet is *very*
    unbalanced, there's no junk food at all!

    Plus, with all those excess vegetables, you're gonna get too many
    vitamins and wind up overdosed on them. People do overdose on
    vitamines, ya know!

    These are basic biochemical FACTOIDS, peoples!
     
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