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Westie

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phatykoko wrote:
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Has anyone here actually got the XTR dual control shifters? What did you think of them after having
used them for (by now) a while? One of the guys at my LBS uses them on his VT and swears by them.

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Per ElmsäTer

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Westie wrote:
> phatykoko wrote:
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> Has anyone here actually got the XTR dual control shifters? What did you think of them after
> having used them for (by now) a while? One of the guys at my LBS uses them on his VT and swears
> by them.

Love 'em. I also have the Low Normal setting for the RD and am getting used to that also. I
dismounted the thumblevers a loong time ago.

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I tried them last Summer and found it really hard to get used to the shift action. Besides that the
levers are wobbly, not something I would have expected from a group that costs as much as an Auto
downpayment!

Long term though, if they sort out the weak feeling levers, I think it will be a good option for the
persona that wants every new toy.

Me I'm sticking with the triggers and XO RD combo, they can't be beat right now for all out
performance and durability.
 
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> I tried them last Summer and found it really hard to get used to the shift action. Besides that
> the levers are wobbly, not something I would have expected from a group that costs as much as an
> Auto downpayment!
>
> Long term though, if they sort out the weak feeling levers, I think it will be a good option for
> the persona that wants every new toy.
>
> Me I'm sticking with the triggers and XO RD combo, they can't be beat right now for all out
> performance and durability.

Wonder why they felt wobbly to you and not to me? I have the hydraulic version which one did
you try out?

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John Morgan

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> Has anyone here actually got the XTR dual control shifters? What
did you
> think of them after having used them for (by now) a while?

I have them on my s-works. Coming from a strong background in SRAM gripshifts here. The first ride
with them I found myself shifting only when I had to. Second ride I was more comfortable shifting.
After the third ride I didn't need to think about it anymore. They work great, I have no
complaints... except for the cost. Functionally they are magnificent in every way for XC riding.

-John Morgan
 
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Westie

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John Morgan wrote:
>> Has anyone here actually got the XTR dual control shifters? What did you think of them after
>> having used them for (by now) a while?
>
> I have them on my s-works. Coming from a strong background in SRAM gripshifts here. The first ride
> with them I found myself shifting only when I had to. Second ride I was more comfortable shifting.
> After the third ride I didn't need to think about it anymore. They work great, I have no
> complaints... except for the cost. Functionally they are magnificent in every way for XC riding.
>
> -John Morgan

Seems to be polarized points of view - everyone either loves 'em or hates'
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"Per Elmsäter" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Westie wrote:
> > phatykoko wrote:
> >> <link>
> >
> > Has anyone here actually got the XTR dual control shifters? What did you think of them after
> > having used them for (by now) a while? One of the guys at my LBS uses them on his VT and swears
> > by them.
>
> Love 'em. I also have the Low Normal setting for the RD and am getting used to that also. I
> dismounted the thumblevers a loong time ago.

what are the advantages of low normal derailleurs that made it worth "getting used to"?

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Jeff Edelen

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Westie wrote:
> John Morgan wrote:
>
>>>Has anyone here actually got the XTR dual control shifters? What did you think of them after
>>>having used them for (by now) a while?
>>
>>I have them on my s-works. [...] Functionally they are magnificent in every way for XC riding.
>>
>>-John Morgan
>
> Seems to be polarized points of view - everyone either loves 'em or hates'

It also seems those that love them have actually ridden with them long enough to offer an informed
opinion. I've ridden with them for about a year now, and I find them superior to trigger shifters
and head and shoulders above grip shifters. Arguments about them being fragile are also bunk. Once
more folks are exposed to dual control shifters, we should see a fire sale on trigger shifters.

-Jeff
 
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Per ElmsäTer

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gazzer wrote:
> "Per Elmsäter" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> Westie wrote:
>>> phatykoko wrote:
>>>> <link>
>>>
>>> Has anyone here actually got the XTR dual control shifters? What did you think of them after
>>> having used them for (by now) a while? One of the guys at my LBS uses them on his VT and swears
>>> by them.
>>
>> Love 'em. I also have the Low Normal setting for the RD and am getting used to that also. I
>> dismounted the thumblevers a loong time ago.
>
> what are the advantages of low normal derailleurs that made it worth "getting used to"?
>

None as far as I can understand. However the Gurus like Sheldon Brown and of course Shimano say that
it is much better for the derailler and cogs and etceteras. It took very little getting used to and
the only difference I can notice is that I can go 3-4 gears when going up to a higher gear ( smaller
cog) and have to click several times if I need to go down more than one gear ( bigger cog ). I think
what they mean is that the spring itself will not wear the equipment as much as when you force a
downshift. Forcing an upshift isn't as costly on the material.

I do however appreciate it when I need to downshift on a very steep hill. In this case I'm usually
holding on to the handlebar grips with my full hand. All I need to do is open up my hand real quick
and close it again. This will move the dual shift lever up one notch. After some time I think it
also got easier to getting used to the force I can put on the pedals when shifting. What I mean is
the softpedaling part until the next gear has engaged. I think that maybe it is more consistent now
that it is the strength of a spring shifting down and not my fingers that can vary in speed and
strength for a downshift.

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"John Morgan" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> > Has anyone here actually got the XTR dual control shifters? What
> did you
> > think of them after having used them for (by now) a while?
>
> I have them on my s-works. Coming from a strong background in SRAM gripshifts here. The first ride
> with them I found myself shifting only when I had to. Second ride I was more comfortable shifting.
> After the third ride I didn't need to think about it anymore. They work great, I have no
> complaints... except for the cost. Functionally they are magnificent in every way for XC riding.
>
> -John Morgan

well it just goes to show, one mans meat etc etc

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Chris Phillipo

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In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
> Westie wrote:
> > John Morgan wrote:
> >
> >>>Has anyone here actually got the XTR dual control shifters? What did you think of them after
> >>>having used them for (by now) a while?
> >>
> >>I have them on my s-works. [...] Functionally they are magnificent in every way for XC riding.
> >>
> >>-John Morgan
> >
> > Seems to be polarized points of view - everyone either loves 'em or hates'
>
> It also seems those that love them have actually ridden with them long enough to offer an informed
> opinion. I've ridden with them for about a year now, and I find them superior to trigger shifters
> and head and shoulders above grip shifters. Arguments about them being fragile are also bunk. Once
> more folks are exposed to dual control shifters, we should see a fire sale on trigger shifters.
>
> -Jeff
>
>

If they ever catch on that will these will be a SRAM version, and that one will be made of metal and
not explode on impact. It may still cost as much as a Porche though :(
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Per ElmsäTer

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Chris Phillipo wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>> Westie wrote:
>>> John Morgan wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Has anyone here actually got the XTR dual control shifters? What did you think of them after
>>>>> having used them for (by now) a while?
>>>>
>>>> I have them on my s-works. [...] Functionally they are magnificent in every way for XC riding.
>>>>
>>>> -John Morgan
>>>
>>> Seems to be polarized points of view - everyone either loves 'em or hates'
>>
>> It also seems those that love them have actually ridden with them long enough to offer an
>> informed opinion. I've ridden with them for about a year now, and I find them superior to trigger
>> shifters and head and shoulders above grip shifters. Arguments about them being fragile are also
>> bunk. Once more folks are exposed to dual control shifters, we should see a fire sale on trigger
>> shifters.
>>
>> -Jeff
>>
>>
>
> If they ever catch on that will these will be a SRAM version, and that one will be made of metal
> and not explode on impact. It may still cost as much as a Porche though :(

From what I understand there will be an XT version coming out in 2004. Or........

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John Morgan

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> > Seems to be polarized points of view - everyone either loves 'em
or hates'
>
> It also seems those that love them have actually ridden with them
long
> enough to offer an informed opinion. I've ridden with them for
about a
> year now, and I find them superior to trigger shifters and head and shoulders above grip shifters.
> Arguments about them being fragile
are
> also bunk. Once more folks are exposed to dual control shifters, we should see a fire sale on
> trigger shifters.
>
> -Jeff

Agreed (except about the gripshift comment...heheh). Everyone I know was skeptical about the dual
control levers when they came out. Also, everyone I know that actually rides them, got used to them
quickly and likes the way they work.

-John Morgan
 
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John Morgan

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> From what I understand there will be an XT version coming out in
2004.
> Or........
>
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Yes, they are out now on current model bikes, with the rest of the updated XT group. The price has
also gone up quite a bit from the old
XT. The cranks are in the $200 range and the dual control levers are about the same price. I
believe the group is available aftermarket, too. Gone are the days of XT as an inexpensive
workhorse. We'll probably be seeing a lot more LX spec'ed now.

-John Morgan
 
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Chris Phillipo

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> are
> > also bunk. Once more folks are exposed to dual control shifters, we should see a fire sale on
> > trigger shifters.
> >
> > -Jeff
>
> Agreed (except about the gripshift comment...heheh). Everyone I know was skeptical about the dual
> control levers when they came out. Also, everyone I know that actually rides them, got used to
> them quickly and likes the way they work.
>
> -John Morgan
>
>
>

Just what I want to be able to say about a group that costs more than my bike. "Oh, I got used to it
eventually." :)
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"John Morgan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > Has anyone here actually got the XTR dual control shifters? What
> did you
> > think of them after having used them for (by now) a while?
>
> I have them on my s-works. Coming from a strong background in SRAM gripshifts here. The first ride
> with them I found myself shifting only when I had to. Second ride I was more comfortable shifting.
> After the third ride I didn't need to think about it anymore. They work great, I have no
> complaints... except for the cost. Functionally they are magnificent in every way for XC riding.
>
> -John Morgan

I have a hard time shifting them to a larger cassette cog 'cause when I'm in a steep climb and
having to navigate obstacles, I like to keep a tight grip on the handlebar for better control of
the bike. I'm not saying they are bad only that I've had a very hard time with 'em being used to
rapid-fire.

Dave