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[Superslinky]

Shaun Rimmer said...

> > Heck, it was English beers that caused the micro-brewery revolution to happen over here. People
> > over here are moving away from that **** to better quality, lower volume beers.
>
> And thankfully, we have many, many of them here and readily available, despite the influx of
> USAian faecal matter. I hate Budweiser, I hate McDonalds, I hate Burger King..........it has
> started, I pray it ends before completion.......<shud-d-d-d-d-d

Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated.

> > Well, I guess that is true, but the real reason for the existence of the really nasty stuff is
> > so that hardcore alcoholics can maintain their drunk longer for a given amount of money.
>
> Maybe, but surely it's better to drink cheap sherry or cider than that........stuff............

Over here the best kept secret is cheap Gallo Chardonnay or Sauvignon Blanc. $5.50 for 1.5L at your
favorite discount supermarket. I have had much worse wine and quite a few that were no better but
cost much more. Unsurpassed for making wine coolers. You don't need good wine to make wine coolers.

 

[Superslinky]

bomba said...

> It's quite simple when you think about it. Firstly, the English have a different drinking culture.
> We don't drink beer to appreciate the fine tastes brought about through the brewing process and
> the careful selection of ingredients (we have wine for that), we drink it because our entire
> social environment revolves around it. Whole communities and lives are shaped round drinking down
> the local pub, people go to the pub for lunch and go for drinks after work with their colleagues.
>
> So, for the most part, we drink lager. Why? Because you can drink gallons of the stuff. Now, the
> English don't produce many lagers (Carling is about the only one that readily springs to mind) and
> certainly none that are really any good. It's not easy to make a good, flavoursome lager and have
> everybody like it. As such, the less offensive the better, so from that point of view, Bud is a
> winner. It has very little taste, won't give you a minging hangover and importantly for the
> English, has a high alcohol content. Couple this with the 'overseas import' tag, the
> 'all-things-American' kudos, and a clever marketing campaign and it begins to make sense.
>
> At the end of the day, Bud isn't a /bad/ beer (I've certainly had much worse), it's just not a
> particularly great beer. It is, however, totally inoffensive and that's why the English like it.

Things aren't much different over here, except we don't have as lively of a pub/bar scene. And the
only reason that is, IMO, is that things are more spread out here. We drive more and farther and
drunk driving is a one-way ticket to loserdom, one way or another. I agree with your take on Bud, it
is remarkable for its mediocrity. Believe me, I have drank my share of it. Some batches are much
better than others. Once in a great while you will be at a bar and get some draft Bud that is so
crisp and clean, you won't believe it. But most of it is only a cut above the stuff that gives me
heartburn. It is kind of puzzling that there aren't more high quality lager beers to choose from,
but I think there are a few that are more worthy than Bud. There is Bud's more expensive cousin
Michelob--same mega-corporation makes it, but it is noticeably better. I think Molson Canadian is
better than either, but it is much more flavorful. My personal favorite was Foster's from Australia.
The Foster's we get here now comes from Canada. I like Canadian beer, but if I want a Canadian beer,
there are plenty to choose from. The Australian Foster's had all the good qualities of Bud, but took
it even further. It was even less offensive, even more drinkable, and it gave you the foamiest head
of any beer I have ever seen. Man, that was good stuff. Now we can't get it. I'd like to know whose
idea that was so I could cuss out the *******.

> Because they're protesting against the neo-imperialist foreign policy of your government?

Bah. Our politicians are pussycats. It is American commercialism that you should fear. Whatever the
faults of our politicians, imperialism isn't among them. It's just that two world wars that we were
dragged into unprepared reminded us that we can't just sit back and hope that the world's problems
won't affect us.

> Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you, Tenent's Super Brew...

Must be the English version of Milwaukee's Best.

 

[Clydesdalemtb]

SuperSlinky wrote:

> Some batches are much better than others. Once in a great while you will be at a bar and get some
> draft Bud that is so crisp and clean, you won't believe it. But most of it is only a cut above
> the stuff that gives me heartburn.

As a former bartender, and home brewer, and lover of all beers, let me assure you that Bud is VERY
"even" in thier brewing. They invest millions of dollars in making sure of this.

The differences you are tasting are coming from the local (final) storage and delivery and criteria.
Proper charging systems and well maintianed (immacualtely clean) delivery systems will greatly
effect the final taste.

Most bartenders regard serving beer as "pumping suds". They have no idea what (tips) they are
missing Pulling a draugh is an art, and a science. Ask anybody who has ever trid to pull a pint of
DAB Dortmunder off a keg. I learned the art and science at http://www.heidelbergnaples.com/ Those
Geramns are FREAKS about their bier.

 

[Bomba]

SuperSlinky wrote:

> Over here the best kept secret is cheap Gallo Chardonnay or Sauvignon Blanc. $5.50 for 1.5L at
> your favorite discount supermarket. I have had much worse wine and quite a few that were no better
> but cost much more. Unsurpassed for making wine coolers. You don't need good wine to make wine
> coolers.

We get Gallo over in Europe at a higher price (UK ~= $7.50 for 75Cl, rest of Europe ~= $4 for 75Cl).
It's not the subtlest of wines, and the colour's a bit dark, but the flavour's not bad. The missus
is a big fan.

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[Shaun Rimmer]

SuperSlinky <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Shaun Rimmer said...
>
> > > Heck, it was English beers that caused the micro-brewery revolution to happen over here.
> > > People over here are moving away from that **** to better quality, lower volume beers.
> >
> > And thankfully, we have many, many of them here and readily available, despite the influx of
> > USAian faecal matter. I hate Budweiser, I hate McDonalds, I hate Burger King..........it has
> > started, I pray it ends
before
> > completion.......<shud-d-d-d-d-d
>
> Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated.

********. I am posessed of a particular fortitude of individuality.

> > > Well, I guess that is true, but the real reason for the existence of
the
> > > really nasty stuff is so that hardcore alcoholics can maintain their drunk longer for a given
> > > amount of money.
> >
> > Maybe, but surely it's better to drink cheap sherry or cider than that........stuff............
>
> Over here the best kept secret is cheap Gallo Chardonnay or Sauvignon Blanc. $5.50 for 1.5L at
> your favorite discount supermarket. I have had much worse wine and quite a few that were no better
> but cost much more. Unsurpassed for making wine coolers. You don't need good wine to make wine
> coolers.

Ah, a small pocket of wisdom exists in your dumb country then! You may all yet be saved........

Shaun aRe - Heh......

 

[Bomba]

SuperSlinky wrote:
> bomba said...
>
>
>>It's quite simple when you think about it. Firstly, the English have a different drinking culture.
>>We don't drink beer to appreciate the fine tastes brought about through the brewing process and
>>the careful selection of ingredients (we have wine for that), we drink it because our entire
>>social environment revolves around it. Whole communities and lives are shaped round drinking down
>>the local pub, people go to the pub for lunch and go for drinks after work with their colleagues.
>>
>>So, for the most part, we drink lager. Why? Because you can drink gallons of the stuff. Now, the
>>English don't produce many lagers (Carling is about the only one that readily springs to mind) and
>>certainly none that are really any good. It's not easy to make a good, flavoursome lager and have
>>everybody like it. As such, the less offensive the better, so from that point of view, Bud is a
>>winner. It has very little taste, won't give you a minging hangover and importantly for the
>>English, has a high alcohol content. Couple this with the 'overseas import' tag, the
>>'all-things-American' kudos, and a clever marketing campaign and it begins to make sense.
>>
>>At the end of the day, Bud isn't a /bad/ beer (I've certainly had much worse), it's just not a
>>particularly great beer. It is, however, totally inoffensive and that's why the English like it.
>
>
> Things aren't much different over here, except we don't have as lively of a pub/bar scene. And the
> only reason that is, IMO, is that things are more spread out here. We drive more and farther and
> drunk driving is a one-way ticket to loserdom, one way or another. I agree with your take on Bud,
> it is remarkable for its mediocrity. Believe me, I have drank my share of it. Some batches are
> much better than others. Once in a great while you will be at a bar and get some draft Bud that is
> so crisp and clean, you won't believe it. But most of it is only a cut above the stuff that gives
> me heartburn. It is kind of puzzling that there aren't more high quality lager beers to choose
> from, but I think there are a few that are more worthy than Bud. There is Bud's more expensive
> cousin Michelob--same mega-corporation makes it, but it is noticeably better. I think Molson
> Canadian is better than either, but it is much more flavorful.

Hmm, Molson's nice. Can really only get it in Europe from retailers in England, so haven't had the
chance to drink much of it.

My personal favorite was Foster's from Australia. The
> Foster's we get here now comes from Canada. I like Canadian beer, but if I want a Canadian beer,
> there are plenty to choose from. The Australian Foster's had all the good qualities of Bud, but
> took it even further. It was even less offensive, even more drinkable, and it gave you the
> foamiest head of any beer I have ever seen. Man, that was good stuff. Now we can't get it. I'd
> like to know whose idea that was so I could cuss out the *******.

Fosters, as you say, is even less offensive, which is why I'm not a huge fan. Typically, Fosters is
considered in Australia, as Bud is in the US.

>>Because they're protesting against the neo-imperialist foreign policy of your government?
>
>
> Bah. Our politicians are pussycats. It is American commercialism that you should fear.

...which is funding your government and formulating its policy.

> Whatever the faults of our politicians, imperialism isn't among them.

Go read the manifesto of the Project for the New American Century...

It's just that two world wars that we were dragged
> into unprepared reminded us that we can't just sit back and hope that the world's problems won't
> affect us.
>
>
>>Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you, Tenent's Super Brew...
>
>
> Must be the English version of Milwaukee's Best.

Is Milwaukee's Best an 8% lager aimed at the wino / tramp market?

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[Shaun Rimmer]

bomba <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> SuperSlinky wrote:
>
> > Over here the best kept secret is cheap Gallo Chardonnay or Sauvignon Blanc. $5.50 for 1.5L at
> > your favorite discount supermarket. I have had much worse wine and quite a few that were no
> > better but cost much more. Unsurpassed for making wine coolers. You don't need good wine to make
> > wine coolers.
>
> We get Gallo over in Europe at a higher price (UK ~= $7.50 for 75Cl, rest of Europe ~= $4 for
> 75Cl). It's not the subtlest of wines, and the colour's a bit dark, but the flavour's not bad. The
> missus is a big fan.

Ernest and Julio Gallo? - Yeah, not bad for the price, but not too hard to do better, if that's the
people you mean.

I'm still mightily impressed with McGuiggan's (Aussie) wines - £5 a bottle, the merlot is a good
example of what can be done with that grape in a good warm growing climate, the cab/sauv is richer
than most others, and maybe a bit too fruity and soft for some, but still damned fine with well
balanced tannins, but the most unusual for me, is the white wine they make using a (damn my memory -
forgot the variety!) traditional German grape, but using their own definitely non-German techniques
- great stuff!

Shaun aRe - But hey, any port in a storm. Or beer, or spirit, or..............

 

[Superslinky]

Shaun Rimmer said...

> Ah, a small pocket of wisdom exists in your dumb country then! You may all yet be saved........

It's sad how ignorant the Europeans are about the USA.

 

[Superslinky]

bomba said...

> We get Gallo over in Europe at a higher price (UK ~= $7.50 for 75Cl, rest of Europe ~= $4 for
> 75Cl). It's not the subtlest of wines, and the colour's a bit dark, but the flavour's not bad. The
> missus is a big fan.

But mix it with pine-orange-banana juice and your favorite citrus soda and you won't know (or care)
what color it was.

 

[Superslinky]

ClydesdaleMTB said...

> As a former bartender, and home brewer, and lover of all beers, let me assure you that Bud is VERY
> "even" in thier brewing. They invest millions of dollars in making sure of this.
>
> The differences you are tasting are coming from the local (final) storage and delivery and
> criteria. Proper charging systems and well maintianed (immacualtely clean) delivery systems will
> greatly effect the final taste.
>
> Most bartenders regard serving beer as "pumping suds". They have no idea what (tips) they are
> missing Pulling a draugh is an art, and a science. Ask anybody who has ever trid to pull a pint of
> DAB Dortmunder off a keg. I learned the art and science at http://www.heidelbergnaples.com/ Those
> Geramns are FREAKS about their bier.

I'm not so sure about that. It seems like if it was really all the same, you could find the good
vintages more often. I do agree with your point about freshness and storage. It can make a big
difference.

 

[Shaun Rimmer]

SuperSlinky <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Shaun Rimmer said...
>
> > Ah, a small pocket of wisdom exists in your dumb country then! You may
all
> > yet be saved........
>
> It's sad how ignorant the Europeans are about the USA.

Or how some humour angles go right over the heads of a lot of Americans? ',;~}~

Anyhow, who TF are you calling a European? Foul mouthed *******...........

Shaun aRe - Them bloody USAians.

 

[Superslinky]

bomba said...

> Hmm, Molson's nice. Can really only get it in Europe from retailers in England, so haven't had the
> chance to drink much of it.

Too bad. Molson is my main beer. Molson Golden has an unusually high alcohol content, but it is so
tasty you would never know.

> Fosters, as you say, is even less offensive, which is why I'm not a huge fan. Typically, Fosters
> is considered in Australia, as Bud is in the US.

I have heard other people say that, but for me it just hits the spot if you want a really
smooth beer.

> > Bah. Our politicians are pussycats. It is American commercialism that you should fear.
>
> ...which is funding your government and formulating its policy.

Nah, big business is the last in a long line of special interest groups that try to control the
government. It is the news media and the socialists who think the government is an endless source of
handouts that are the movers and shakers in politics. By and large, big business is seen as the cash
cow that is supposed to pay for it all.

> Is Milwaukee's Best an 8% lager aimed at the wino / tramp market?

Ewww. No, over here that niche is filled by super cheap synthetic wines like Night Train and MD (mad
dog) 20/20. Malt liquor, which is about 5- 6%, and tastes like beer flavored battery acid, is
popular with some groups.

 

[Clydesdalemtb]

B a r r y B u r k e J r . wrote:
> I thought someone donated kegs to to cause.

I have it on good authority (just got off the phone) that sometime after 6:30 PM there will be a few
pony kegs of (most excellent) home brew delivered in the bed of a black pick-up-truck..
"un-officially", of course.