Neuvation R28 Aero Wheel set
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OK, here we come the weight, please note that the measurement (I request the LBS to weight it for me) include the tyre, tube, skewer and 9 speed tiagra for the rearsogood said:
Reading are as follow:
- Front: 710g
- Rear: 910g
the total weight of the wheelset including all the essential running component on is 1620g as calculated above.
I believed R28 Aero & R28 Aero 2 is pretty much the same thing, but it is just the overseas version and the Australia version.
Ey guys, firstly I apologise for the argument arised. I was the one asking Piero to update his experience on the wheels. And I'm new in road bike field, so I don't know anything about wheels, or even factors that may increase the speed because of a pair of wheel.
However, even when Piero said about the increase in speed, I didn't take his words at all since I knew it wasn't a scientific experiment. On the other hand, I do enjoy the update of his experience about the wheel.
So if I end up getting the wheels, it's not because Piero said the wheels increased his speed, but on top of that, the numerous positive reviews from other sites and this forum confirm that the wheels really worth its price. Beside I've also known that the wheel set from Shimano that comes standard with my OCR is considered low end quality. And with the Neuvation wheels, I hope that I can have a feel having a better quality wheel may do to my ride quality.
And I don't think I would ever upgrade to thousands dollar wheels just to gain less few seconds ride unless I have a sponsor to supply me, or getting those 6 digits money from the third party insurance over my acccident.
However, even when Piero said about the increase in speed, I didn't take his words at all since I knew it wasn't a scientific experiment. On the other hand, I do enjoy the update of his experience about the wheel.
So if I end up getting the wheels, it's not because Piero said the wheels increased his speed, but on top of that, the numerous positive reviews from other sites and this forum confirm that the wheels really worth its price. Beside I've also known that the wheel set from Shimano that comes standard with my OCR is considered low end quality. And with the Neuvation wheels, I hope that I can have a feel having a better quality wheel may do to my ride quality.
And I don't think I would ever upgrade to thousands dollar wheels just to gain less few seconds ride unless I have a sponsor to supply me, or getting those 6 digits money from the third party insurance over my acccident.
Hi Mysrh,mysrh said:
It’s alright, don’t have to be apologise for the situation as it is nobody’s fault. Just different opinion here, and it’s good for you to hear something more on different aspect, right? The only thing I am sure is I am a happy man more than ever on the R28, a smart spend on the $$.
I believed your OCR is coming with the R500 right? Should be the same as what I got before.
With the $$ of R28, you might be able to get a pair of R550 (105 grade wheelset by Shimano, but if you ask 10 peoples over the bike shop, I think almost 9-10 are going to tell you that you won't be able to tell the difference between R500 & R550)
There are one reminder for you, the R28 is much stiffer than the R500, that means the power transfer will becoming more efficient and direct on the R28. But one trade off is your butt is taking up more shock from the road, but it is not too bad, but it is just relatively a little bit more shock when comparing with the R500. The carbon component on your bike can offset some shocks from the road as well. But what you get is a much better performance on the bike and more confidence on the cornering.
I always remember a golden say:
“Performance, Comfortability & Price” pick two of them.
What I did before I brought this R28 is I set my budget. So I am pretty sure I know what's available under my budget as A$600, you won't find anythign better than R28 if we are on the same boat.
Hope you find all the information are useful for you.
Keep riding, stay focus and ride safe!!! hope I can see you up on the road with R28 one day.
Cheers,
Piero
piero said:
No mate, these are the weights I'd suggest for the wheels and maybe the rim tape. If the weights included everything you've listed the actual wheel sets would be sub 800g for the set. Tires will be 230g each give or take, tubes another 80g each, 100g for the skewers and the cassette will not give you much change from 250g. All up the 'components' are about 1000g.
Enjoy your wheels but like others have said I'd think your enthusiasm for a bit of new kit is skewing your perspective. Personally I think Neuvations are good value, same as Velocity wheels are. Are they equivalent to $1000 wheels? Probably not, but then again how many people here would be able to tell the difference? In fact how many people on short rides would be able to tell the difference between R500's and Neuvations? Again I'd suggest not many.
--brett
o .. sorry mate, maybe my mistake, didn't think about that, I will check with my LBS again, coz that's the reading they got down for me ...sideshow_bob said:
what you said is make sense to me ... my mistake, I should have check with them beforehand.
make more sense that it is without all the componentry and the wheel itself.
umm ... I will call and ask the LBS later on today
so the 1620g should be the wheelset only.
sorry about my mistake without double checking it. apologies on the mistake
davedbk said:
I am the happy man more than ever!!! It still smooth, nothing break down at all, 100% true and no adjustment required.after two months "cool down" period, and I am sure I have no bias or over-excited on this R28 Aero.
it definitely turns really smooth. very stiff for fast sprint and acceleration.
a good example of how smooth the hub is. I went for the GongRide this year. While I was waiting for my lunch in Wollongong, I just lay my bike down on the ground. The front wheel just keep spinning non-stop. Lots of cyclist walk pass my bike and looking at the wheel with an amazed facial expression. For those who didn't went for the GongRide, I have to emphasis the wind is strong that day, but definitely not all wheels is spinning by itself over the the Wollongong Lighthouse.
Also it has been an eye catchy wheelset so far, lots of people is checking out the wheelset on the finish site over there.
Money wise, it is definitely the "smartest money" i've ever spent on the bike!!! no regret at all. It is the best pick of the wheelset in similar price tag, nothing come close to it.
heheee, could be the "sail effect" as describe, but it really pick up the wind and keep spinning around, sort of funny.sogood said:Shame I didn't get a chance to see your spinning wheel on that lawn. I didn't stay too long and then headed for the station. The wind just wasn't pleasant, and you obviously had your wheel at the right angle and getting some sail effect.
The wind is definitely not pleasant there, extermely strong and withdraw the body heat right away. The strong head wind just made the ride become harder this year.
O... forgot to mention, maybe because of the 5mm bladed spokes, I was really affected by the cross wind!
i've had a set of these on a bike (r28 aeros) for the last 2 weeks. do date i've got about 300km into them, including a couple of races. they are on a trainer so generally they'll get a hard life.
what's the verdict?
they are okay. i think because of the low price, a lot of people do upgrades to these from really cheap stock wheels like shimano r500's and the like. are they better than those? no doubt hence the generally glowing results. the last three seasons i've ridden a combination of mavic cosmic elites, campag sciroccos, campag protons and velocity spartucus pros.
leaving the visuals aside (the neuvations look relatively horrible, some sticker removal helps) i think they are probably pretty similar to the cosmic elites. reasonably stiff, roll well though they dont spin up like the protons. i don't believe they compare to even the low end campags in the way they roll. they are a little lighter than the all of the above wheels with the exception of the protons which i think are about the same.
it'll be interesting to see how they stand up to a season or two of abuse. the mavics failed on this, i got about 7,000km into them before the rear rim failed. are they worth $400? absolutely. the cosmic elites are about $200 dearer delivered and i think are very similar in terms of performance. so value wise in that area i think they do okay. people often quote them as being equivalent to $1000 wheelsets. do they compare to eurus, fulcrum 1's or ES's which are all about that price range? not even close.
the bottom line is if you are looking to spend up to about $600 for a wheelset then i think they represent good value. past this i think there are other alternatives that should be considered including the high end velocity wheels which are more in the ballpark of $1000 factory wheelsets.
--brett
what's the verdict?
they are okay. i think because of the low price, a lot of people do upgrades to these from really cheap stock wheels like shimano r500's and the like. are they better than those? no doubt hence the generally glowing results. the last three seasons i've ridden a combination of mavic cosmic elites, campag sciroccos, campag protons and velocity spartucus pros.
leaving the visuals aside (the neuvations look relatively horrible, some sticker removal helps) i think they are probably pretty similar to the cosmic elites. reasonably stiff, roll well though they dont spin up like the protons. i don't believe they compare to even the low end campags in the way they roll. they are a little lighter than the all of the above wheels with the exception of the protons which i think are about the same.
it'll be interesting to see how they stand up to a season or two of abuse. the mavics failed on this, i got about 7,000km into them before the rear rim failed. are they worth $400? absolutely. the cosmic elites are about $200 dearer delivered and i think are very similar in terms of performance. so value wise in that area i think they do okay. people often quote them as being equivalent to $1000 wheelsets. do they compare to eurus, fulcrum 1's or ES's which are all about that price range? not even close.
the bottom line is if you are looking to spend up to about $600 for a wheelset then i think they represent good value. past this i think there are other alternatives that should be considered including the high end velocity wheels which are more in the ballpark of $1000 factory wheelsets.
--brett
I'm looking at upgrading my wheels on my trek which comes with a Bonty Select. Which is fine in my opinion but I've never ridden any other bikes with different wheelset. I was initially looking at the Fulcrum Racing 3s or 1s but then I read a review on the R28s in the Bicycling Australia Magazine and they've given them a pretty good feedback.sideshow_bob said:
Piero seems to be happy with them.
So what's the difference between the $1000 wheels and the R28s ? Excuse me if that's a stupid question.. I'm not an expert. Better bearings ? hubs ?
in terms of weight i think the R28s standard are about the same weight as the Fulcrum Racing 1s at least that's what the manufacturers claim.
bmar560 said:
It really depends on the wheels you are comparing them to. The Neuvations are not stiff (at all). I'd be surprised to see say a set of ES or Fulcrum 1's or DA, Eurus etc (which are all mail order available at about $1000) to not be significantly stiffer. Hub and bearing quality while nice on the Neuvations isn't in the same league as Record level hubs which is what you are getting on Fulcrum 1's or Eurus or the DA hubs on the DA's.
I've had one spoke break to date on the Neuvations which admittedly happens sometimes, but the last two sets of Campag wheels I've had, and Mavic Cosmic Elites with significantly more km's in them have never broken one. So there's the question of build and component quality in general.
Weight for weight Neuvations are a mid weight wheel that compare with any of the wheels I've listed (if that's all you are looking at), but some of those like the ES use either a Ti or steel freehub body that will last longer than the one the on the Neuvations which is very soft. Mine is chewed to pieces already.
--brett
So what's the difference between the $1000 wheels and the R28s ? Excuse me if that's a stupid question.. I'm not an expert. Better bearings ? hubs ?
in terms of weight i think the R28s standard are about the same weight as the Fulcrum Racing 1s at least that's what the manufacturers claim.[/QUOTE]
Not so stupid question :
the Neuvation wheels get assembled & shipped direct from Taiwan to Australia , some other brands travel the world from Taiwan to Europe (or USA) then back to Australia & then have a nice glossy 2000$ advert in your favourite cycling mag.
Its the same in all the bike trade , who would pay extra for a Ridley bike if Robbie didn't ride them ? Just another Asian bike shipped to Belgium for a Euro paintjob.
in terms of weight i think the R28s standard are about the same weight as the Fulcrum Racing 1s at least that's what the manufacturers claim.[/QUOTE]
Not so stupid question :
the Neuvation wheels get assembled & shipped direct from Taiwan to Australia , some other brands travel the world from Taiwan to Europe (or USA) then back to Australia & then have a nice glossy 2000$ advert in your favourite cycling mag.
Its the same in all the bike trade , who would pay extra for a Ridley bike if Robbie didn't ride them ? Just another Asian bike shipped to Belgium for a Euro paintjob.
Exactly. Totally agree with caferacerwanabe. Why paying more on the sponsorship and the ad. you find on all magazine???caferacerwanabe said:
It's all comes down to how much is your budget and how much do you wanna spend on a wheelset. If you are prepare to spend $1k+ on a wheelset, then those big brand can definitely buy you a peace of mind.
If you are in the market of looking at the R28, probably you wanna spend around $400 to $500 on a wheelset and that is definitely the best pick in this price range. It’s far better than the Shimano R500 or R550. Also think about it on the other way, even if you are heavy or riding hard enough to brake any spokes on the R28, it’s $4xx, and that means you can brake 3 full set of R28 to buy one big brand wheels.
I have to mention I am a 60kg rider so I didn’t brake any spoke on the R28. I think my friend is on the 70kg marks and his R28 still working perfectly fine after the distance we have put on it.
For the quality side, I am more than happy in considering the price that I paid for the R28.
piero said:
I'm glad you buy into the 'underdog' mentality that Neuvation is pushing.
A full page color ad in a (specialist) magazine can cost $1,000 to $5,000. It's not really a very big expense.
How much do you think the banner click through traffic on roadbikereview.com costs the people at Neuvation? I'd hazard a guess of significantly more than magazine advertizing (per month) given I've used similar marketing historically.
So no Neuvation don't use what might be considered as more traditional marketing techniques, but don't equate that with no marketing costs.
--brett
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