New bike recommendations

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  1. It's time! I'm a roadie that has seen all you guys having fun in the dirt for too long without me.
    Besides I just bought a house and it's pretty much an all dirt ride down Penasquitos canyon to my
    work. Plus doing a little single track but no hairy jumps yet. Did a little research on bikes and
    would like to get a full suspension frame if I can. The guys at the LBS are selling an '02 NRS 3 but
    I've looked at the Treks there as well. The Hard tails trek 6700 and 8000 look pretty good as well
    as the C'dale F600. Price range is around 800-1000$ and I would need to use the parts til I can
    replace em. Suggestions? O yea, about 5'10" 200 lbs
     
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  2. Hippy

    Hippy Guest

    "Richard Thomas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > It's time! I'm a roadie that has seen all you guys having fun in the
    dirt
    > for too long without me. Besides I just bought a house and it's pretty
    much
    > an all dirt ride down Penasquitos canyon to my work. Plus doing a
    little
    > single track but no hairy jumps yet. Did a little research on bikes and would like to get a full
    > suspension
    frame
    > if I can. The guys at the LBS are selling an '02 NRS 3 but I've looked
    at
    > the Treks there as well. The Hard tails trek 6700 and 8000 look pretty
    good
    > as well as the C'dale F600. Price range is around 800-1000$ and I
    would need
    > to use the parts til I can replace em. Suggestions? O yea, about 5'10" 200 lbs

    This post is almost exactly the same as my situation! Roadie, wants to get into off-road stuff,
    roughly the same height and weight.

    What is your reason for going full-suspension? I've been looking at hardtails mostly with some
    duallies catching my eye... I will ride mostly singletrack stuff with not much jumping (chicken) and
    maybe race XC. I'm a bit unsure whether to go for a light-ish XC bike (e.g. Kikapu) or to get one of
    the beefier "freeride" bikes (Sasquatch, Dawg (dualie), Giant AC or NRS (dualie), etc).

    I already have two rigid mtb's: 1 is a GT Talera which is cro-mo and heavy with crap brakes and the
    other is an Avanti Montari which is alu and has good brakes but is kitted out for road commuting
    with slicks and rigid fork, etc.

    Basically I'm just reading posts like these to find out what people use certain types of bikes for.
    Hopefully this will make my choice easier. I'll be sticking with the GT for now but would love to
    get at least a bike with disc brakes and front suspension fork.

    I've been looking at Kona, Norco, Specialized and Giant... Are these brands good? What others should
    I examine? I am in Australia, btw.

    Which should I choose: dualie or hardtail? How do I know which would suit the conditions better?

    Anyway, good luck with your purchase - hopefully there's some useful comments from some experts...

    cheers hippy
     
  3. Slacker

    Slacker Guest

    "hippy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    <snip>

    > I've been looking at Kona, Norco, Specialized and Giant... Are these brands good? What others
    > should I examine? I am in Australia, btw.
    >
    > Which should I choose: dualie or hardtail? How do I know which would suit the conditions better?
    >
    > Anyway, good luck with your purchase - hopefully there's some useful comments from some experts...
    >
    > cheers hippy

    All of those bike manufactures have some great FS bikes. Try test riding as many as you can before
    settling on one because fit/feel is extremely important. For me personally I lean more towards
    Specialized & Norco, but this is manly to do fit; Giants seem to run a little large for my taste.

    I really don't know much of anything about hardtails, which is why I'm not commenting on them.
    --
    Slacker
     
  4. L Hays

    L Hays Guest

    "Richard Thomas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > It's time! I'm a roadie that has seen all you guys having fun in the dirt for too long without me.
    > Besides I just bought a house and it's pretty
    much
    > an all dirt ride down Penasquitos canyon to my work. Plus doing a little single track but no hairy
    > jumps yet. Did a little research on bikes and would like to get a full suspension
    frame
    > if I can. The guys at the LBS are selling an '02 NRS 3 but I've looked at the Treks there as well.
    > The Hard tails trek 6700 and 8000 look pretty
    good
    > as well as the C'dale F600. Price range is around 800-1000$ and I would
    need
    > to use the parts til I can replace em. Suggestions? O yea, about 5'10" 200 lbs
    >
    >

    The first thing is to purchase what fits best and what you are comfortable on. Just going from a
    rigid bike to a front suspension is an odd feeling in my opinion, so I would suggest testing a
    hardtail or two out before commiting fully to a full suspension. Personally, I own both but spend
    more time on the hardtail because it just feels better.

    For the money you are willing to spend on a full susser you can get an hardtail with excellent
    components or a rigid single speed with even better components. (for you B.W.)

    Also, you don't have to go hog wild on a bike in the beginning, money-wise. Look at mid-range price
    bikes, ask to take them for test rides, and whittle down to your choice like you probably did for
    your road bikes. A lot of what dictates the ranges are the components. If you settle for a mid-range
    you can upgrade or change out the components with the money you saved.

    Lance
     
  5. Penny S.

    Penny S. Guest

    hippy wrote:
    > "Richard > This post is almost exactly the same as my situation! Roadie, wants to get into
    > off-road stuff, roughly the same height and weight.

    Blaine's what to buy FAQ is a good place to start: http://bdbauer.tripod.com/newbike/

    >
    > What is your reason for going full-suspension? I've been looking at hardtails mostly with some
    > duallies catching my eye... I will ride mostly singletrack stuff with not much jumping (chicken)
    > and maybe race XC. I'm a bit unsure whether to go for a light-ish XC bike (e.g. Kikapu) or to get
    > one of the beefier "freeride" bikes (Sasquatch, Dawg (dualie), Giant AC or NRS (dualie), etc).
    >
    This is where you need to analyze what your gut tells you that you will do the most. Some folks have
    a bike for every different thing. FWIW, I'm on a King Kikapu, which JD hates but I love. I chose
    this bike.... mainly XC rider, no big air or DH in my future, nice and light which at my size (
    small female) is pretty critical and I bought a cherry condition used at a great price. analyze your
    budget... you get lot better bike for your buck with a nice HT over a FS.

    > I already have two rigid mtb's: 1 is a GT Talera which is cro-mo and heavy with crap brakes and
    > the other is an Avanti Montari which is alu and has good brakes but is kitted out for road
    > commuting with slicks and rigid fork, etc.
    >
    Heh. some folks will tell you to turn them in SS's

    > Basically I'm just reading posts like these to find out what people use certain types of bikes
    > for. Hopefully this will make my choice easier. I'll be sticking with the GT for now but would
    > love to get at least a bike with disc brakes and front suspension fork.
    >
    > I've been looking at Kona, Norco, Specialized and Giant... Are these brands good? What others
    > should I examine?

    Good is relative. Some brand seems to have a lot of frame breakage tendencies. Take everything here
    with a grain of salt.

    > I am in Australia, btw.

    Seen any kangaroos lately?

    >
    > Which should I choose: dualie or hardtail? How do I know which would suit the conditions better?
    >

    That's totally a riding style choice. There are those myself included that believe that riding a HT
    before you go to a FS gives you better bike handling skills. More likely to use your body and less
    likely to "depend" on suspension

    > Anyway, good luck with your purchase - hopefully there's some useful comments from some experts...

    You've got my 2¢.

    Penny
     
  6. David L

    David L Guest

    "hippy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > "Richard Thomas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > It's time! I'm a roadie that has seen all you guys having fun in the
    > dirt
    > > for too long without me. Besides I just bought a house and it's pretty
    > much
    > > an all dirt ride down Penasquitos canyon to my work. Plus doing a
    > little
    > > single track but no hairy jumps yet. Did a little research on bikes and would like to get a full
    > > suspension
    > frame
    > > if I can. The guys at the LBS are selling an '02 NRS 3 but I've looked
    > at
    > > the Treks there as well. The Hard tails trek 6700 and 8000 look pretty
    > good
    > > as well as the C'dale F600. Price range is around 800-1000$ and I
    > would need
    > > to use the parts til I can replace em. Suggestions? O yea, about 5'10" 200 lbs
    >
    > This post is almost exactly the same as my situation! Roadie, wants to get into off-road stuff,
    > roughly the same height and weight.
    >
    > What is your reason for going full-suspension? I've been looking at hardtails mostly with some
    > duallies catching my eye... I will ride mostly singletrack stuff with not much jumping (chicken)
    > and maybe race XC. I'm a bit unsure whether to go for a light-ish XC bike (e.g. Kikapu) or to get
    > one of the beefier "freeride" bikes (Sasquatch, Dawg (dualie), Giant AC or NRS (dualie), etc).

    If you saw the thread about types of riding styles, XC, freeride, DH, etc... that is something you
    have to seriously consider, and find out what you want to get out of the bike. the categories don't
    matter to me but weight will matter. racing XC on a 35 lbs DH bike may be a little difficult when
    you are peddling uphill with a grade of 10%.

    when discussing bikes with people you will find there are bikes that don't fit in a category, look
    at giants line they have the AC's, the NRS's, VT's, etc...

    Examine what your territory is like, and be honest with yourself,

    >
    > I already have two rigid mtb's: 1 is a GT Talera which is cro-mo and heavy with crap brakes and
    > the other is an Avanti Montari which is alu and has good brakes but is kitted out for road
    > commuting with slicks and rigid fork, etc.
    >
    > Basically I'm just reading posts like these to find out what people use certain types of bikes
    > for. Hopefully this will make my choice easier. I'll be sticking with the GT for now but would
    > love to get at least a bike with disc brakes and front suspension fork.
    >
    > I've been looking at Kona, Norco, Specialized and Giant... Are these brands good? What others
    > should I examine? I am in Australia, btw.
    >
    > Which should I choose: dualie or hardtail? How do I know which would suit the conditions better?
    >
    > Anyway, good luck with your purchase - hopefully there's some useful comments from some experts...
    >
    > cheers hippy
     
  7. Hippy

    Hippy Guest

    "Penny S." <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > Blaine's what to buy FAQ is a good place to start: http://bdbauer.tripod.com/newbike/

    I'll check that out tonight, cheers!

    > This is where you need to analyze what your gut tells you that you
    will do
    > the most. Some folks have a bike for every different thing.

    Yeah, that's me :) This will be the 8th that I'll have to find space for in a 2 bedroom unit...

    > analyze your budget... you get lot better bike for your buck with a
    nice HT
    > over a FS.

    That's one of the main reasons to go with HT for me... plus I don't want to miss out on skills by
    riding a dualie. Most people seem to say that they are better riders because they went from rigid to
    HT to full.. Plus I'd rather look like a total newbie on a cheaper bike, rather than wheeling out a
    $10k wonder machine and struggle over a pothole :)

    > > I already have two rigid mtb's: 1 is a GT Talera which is cro-mo and heavy with crap brakes and
    > > the other is an Avanti Montari which is alu and has good brakes but is kitted out for road
    > > commuting with slicks and rigid fork, etc.
    > >
    > Heh. some folks will tell you to turn them in SS's

    You don't know how long I've been planning to convert a bike to SS! I actually bought the GT to do a
    SS conversion on it but then got into trials and used it for that instead. It's now nearly back to
    normal and I use if for trail riding. I think I'll wait for a total bomb with horizontal stays to
    come along free/cheap before doing the SS thang...

    > > I've been looking at Kona, Norco, Specialized and Giant... Are these brands good? What others
    > > should I examine?
    >
    > Good is relative. Some brand seems to have a lot of frame breakage tendencies. Take everything
    > here with a grain of salt.

    Which brands?

    > > I am in Australia, btw.
    >
    > Seen any kangaroos lately?

    Nope, but I ran over a tiger snake the other week! I really need to practise my bunnyhops -
    poor thing :)

    > That's totally a riding style choice. There are those myself included
    that
    > believe that riding a HT before you go to a FS gives you better bike handling skills. More likely
    > to use your body and less likely to
    "depend" on
    > suspension

    That's what I've heard and what I plan to do - hence not rushing out and buying a suspension bike
    right away. Stick with rigid for now.

    > > Anyway, good luck with your purchase - hopefully there's some useful comments from some
    > > experts...
    >
    > You've got my 2¢.

    Thanks muchly! hip

    > Penny
     
  8. Penny S.

    Penny S. Guest

    hippy wrote:>> Plus I'd rather look like a total newbie on a cheaper bike, rather
    > than wheeling out a $10k wonder machine and struggle over a pothole
    > :)

    the word for that i s"poseur".
    >
    >>> I already have two rigid mtb's: 1 is a GT Talera which is cro-mo and heavy with crap brakes and
    >>> the other is an Avanti Montari which is alu and has good brakes but is kitted out for road
    >>> commuting with slicks and rigid fork, etc.
    >>>
    >> Heh. some folks will tell you to turn them in SS's
    >
    > You don't know how long I've been planning to convert a bike to SS!

    Bill he's all yours....

    >
    >>> I've been looking at Kona, Norco, Specialized and Giant... Are these brands good? What others
    >>> should I examine?
    >>
    >> Good is relative. Some brand seems to have a lot of frame breakage tendencies. Take everything
    >> here with a grain of salt.
    >
    > Which brands?
    >

    heh, I'm not going to touch that one. Depends on who's preaching what gospel on what day
    around here....

    penny
     
  9. Bomba

    Bomba Guest

    Richard Thomas wrote:
    > It's time! I'm a roadie that has seen all you guys having fun in the dirt for too long without me.
    > Besides I just bought a house and it's pretty much an all dirt ride down Penasquitos canyon to my
    > work. Plus doing a little single track but no hairy jumps yet. Did a little research on bikes and
    > would like to get a full suspension frame if I can. The guys at the LBS are selling an '02 NRS 3
    > but I've looked at the Treks there as well. The Hard tails trek 6700 and 8000 look pretty good as
    > well as the C'dale F600. Price range is around 800-1000$ and I would need to use the parts til I
    > can replace em. Suggestions? O yea, about 5'10" 200 lbs

    I'd suggest going for a hardtail at that sort of price. You'll get a very good one, whereas you'd
    only get a mid-range FS. The hardtail should last you longer, perform better and teach you the
    necessary skills quicker. In addition, hardtails are pretty much of a muchness, whereas different
    suspension systems will suit different styles of riding, and you don't know how you ride yet.

    As for specific bikes, it's all about trying them out to find which ones are comfortable. However,
    as a word of advice, I'd steer clear of C'dale - they have a reputation that isn't great, and are
    currently in Chapter 11, meaning that there could be future warranty complications.

    --
    a.m-b FAQ: http://www.t-online.de/~jharris/ambfaq.htm

    b.bmx FAQ: http://www.t-online.de/~jharris/bmx_faq.htm
     
  10. Westie

    Westie Guest

    "David L" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:D[email protected]...
    >
    > "hippy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > "Richard Thomas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > It's time! I'm a roadie that has seen all you guys having fun in the
    > > dirt
    > > > for too long without me. Besides I just bought a house and it's pretty
    > > much
    > > > an all dirt ride down Penasquitos canyon to my work. Plus doing a
    > > little
    > > > single track but no hairy jumps yet. Did a little research on bikes and would like to get a
    > > > full suspension
    > > frame
    > > > if I can. The guys at the LBS are selling an '02 NRS 3 but I've looked
    > > at
    > > > the Treks there as well. The Hard tails trek 6700 and 8000 look pretty
    > > good
    > > > as well as the C'dale F600. Price range is around 800-1000$ and I
    > > would need
    > > > to use the parts til I can replace em. Suggestions? O yea, about 5'10" 200 lbs
    > >
    > > This post is almost exactly the same as my situation! Roadie, wants to get into off-road stuff,
    > > roughly the same height and weight.

    I'm a bit shorter, not quite a newbie, and about 195.

    > >
    > > What is your reason for going full-suspension? I've been looking at hardtails mostly with some
    > > duallies catching my eye... I will ride mostly singletrack stuff with not much jumping
    > > (chicken) and maybe race XC. I'm a bit unsure whether to go for a light-ish XC bike (e.g.
    > > Kikapu) or to get one of the beefier "freeride" bikes (Sasquatch, Dawg (dualie), Giant AC or
    > > NRS (dualie), etc).
    >

    Why full-sus? Because by most accounts it sounded good and I wanted to spend some decent money on a
    decent bike and I enjoyed the feeling on the (very short) test ride and after a lot of research. I
    ride similar to you by the sounds of it. I don't race (except against myself) and I do mostly what
    you'd pigeon-hole as 'XC' riding with lots of tarmac, fields, tracks and earth, a few drops, bumps,
    banks and holes. No major jumps although I have been known to try flying in strange places at
    strange times.

    >
    > If you saw the thread about types of riding styles, XC, freeride, DH,
    etc...
    > that is something you have to seriously consider, and find out what you
    want
    > to get out of the bike. the categories don't matter to me but weight will matter. racing XC on a
    > 35 lbs DH bike may be a little difficult when you
    are
    > peddling uphill with a grade of 10%.
    >

    I was going to say the same thing. Don't get too hung up about what category you are 'in' or even
    weight unless you intend to race. It's all shades of gray anyway and they are pretty general
    categories, and they mostly weigh the same...sort-of. Your average recreational rider is not gonna
    worry about a pound or two or three difference.

    Kinda like saying that there are only three types of car in the world. Sportscar, bulldozer and
    family car. Which do you drive? Having said that, as Dave says, some bikes are better at some things
    than others. Sometimes that difference is only small but there may be a difference.

    > when discussing bikes with people you will find there are bikes that don't fit in a category, look
    > at giants line they have the AC's, the NRS's,
    VT's,
    > etc...
    >

    I have an NRS2. At first glance, the Giant AC range is puzzling. They look virtually the same as the
    NRS series but they are designed to be a heavier duty bike than the NRS but not as heavy or specific
    as a downhill bike. My NRS still takes some pretty big hits and keeps going. eg yesterday at the end
    of a hard ride i stuffed up a small fast downhill drop of all of 18" completely. Bike hit the deck
    on it's side under me and I kept going. Almost like I stepped away from the bike except that one
    foot and all my weight went on one tyre and rim and then onto the other foot on the top tube.
    Despite that, no harm done. I had felt the bike and rims bend and flex under me. You're not supposed
    to do that to a 'XC' bike.

    > Examine what your territory is like, and be honest with yourself,

    > >
    > > I already have two rigid mtb's: 1 is a GT Talera which is cro-mo and heavy with crap brakes and
    > > the other is an Avanti Montari which is alu and has good brakes but is kitted out for road
    > > commuting with slicks and rigid fork, etc.
    > >
    > > Basically I'm just reading posts like these to find out what people use certain types of bikes
    > > for. Hopefully this will make my choice easier. I'll be sticking with the GT for now but would
    > > love to get at least a bike with disc brakes and front suspension fork.
    > >
    > > I've been looking at Kona, Norco, Specialized and Giant... Are these brands good? What others
    > > should I examine? I am in Australia, btw.
    > >
    > > Which should I choose: dualie or hardtail? How do I know which would suit the conditions better?

    The choice is yours. Full-sus isn't a magic bullet. But it can be really nice too. Skills? I started
    on hard-tail but I wouldn't say that the full-sus is making me lazy or a less skilled rider (bear in
    mind that we're not talking skilled anyways). Somedays I enjoy the hardtail even though it's heavier
    than my full-sus just because it zooms up climbs better and _feels_ faster. But with less shock,
    jumps and bunnyhops are a joy on the springloaded and launched full-susser.

    Do some more research and consider budget too. Good luck.

    > >
    > > Anyway, good luck with your purchase - hopefully there's some useful comments from some
    > > experts...
    > >
    > > cheers hippy

    Westie
     
  11. Bomba

    Bomba Guest

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    "Plus doing a little single track but no hairy jumps yet. Did a little research on bikes and
    would like to get a full suspension frame if I can. The guys at the LBS are selling an '02 NRS 3 but
    I've looked at the Treks there as well. "

    Get something a little more plush eh? Once you loosen up you'll regret getting a HT/XC:FS.

    "The Hard tails trek 6700 and 8000 look pretty good as well
    as the C'dale F600. Price range is around 800-1000$ and I would need to use the parts til I can
    replace em. Suggestions? O yea, about 5'10" 200 lbs"

    Don't get a crack'n'fail. They're pricey for no real quality difference.
    Trek are overpriced and under-spec'd BUT the frames are pretty good so as you break the bits - just replace them with higher spec'd stuff.
     
  13. Andy Chequer

    Andy Chequer Guest

    "bomba" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > Penny S. wrote:
    > > hippy wrote:>> Plus I'd rather look like a total newbie on a cheaper
    bike,
    > > rather
    > >
    > >>than wheeling out a $10k wonder machine and struggle over a pothole
    > >>:)
    > >
    > >
    > > the word for that i s"poseur".
    >
    > ATGNI!

    All The Gear, No Idea?

    Andy Chequer, hungover on Sat thanks for asking ;-)
     
  14. Michael Dart

    Michael Dart Guest

    "bomba" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > Penny S. wrote:
    > > hippy wrote:>> Plus I'd rather look like a total newbie on a cheaper
    bike,
    > > rather
    > >
    > >>than wheeling out a $10k wonder machine and struggle over a pothole
    > >>:)
    > >
    > >
    > > the word for that i s"poseur".
    >
    > ATGNI!
    >

    I still really like that acronym. Heard another mainly relating to skiers, SPORE. Stupid People On
    Rental Equipment. It could apply to some 'touristy' mtb destinations.

    Mike
     
  15. Bill Wheeler

    Bill Wheeler Guest

    [nip it]

    >I really don't know much of anything about hardtails, which is why I'm not commenting on them.

    "F" that. I don't know crap about those hyped up, full susp, heavy, needless POSes that some people
    think they need, but I still comment on them.....DON"T GET ONE is my comment.

    Peace, Bill( I know it all) Wheeler

    The mind serves properly as a window glass rather than as a reflector, that is, the mind should give
    an immediate view instead of an interpretation of the world.
    :-]
     
  16. Bill Wheeler

    Bill Wheeler Guest

    On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 10:03:19 +0100, bomba <[email protected]> wrote:

    >However, as a word of advice, I'd steer clear of C'dale - they have a reputation that isn't great,
    >and are currently in Chapter 11, meaning that there could be future warranty complications.

    I demo'd a C'dale, I absolutely loved how stiff it felt. I can't speak for the durability.

    Peace, Bill The mind serves properly as a window glass rather than as a reflector, that is, the mind
    should give an immediate view instead of an interpretation of the world.
    :-]
     
  17. Bill Wheeler

    Bill Wheeler Guest

    On Sun, 9 Feb 2003 21:00:46 -0800, "Penny S." <[email protected]> wrote:

    >>
    >> You don't know how long I've been planning to convert a bike to SS!
    >
    >Bill he's all yours....

    Too easy. Sounds like he'll come around on his own.

    Peace, Bill The mind serves properly as a window glass rather than as a reflector, that is, the mind
    should give an immediate view instead of an interpretation of the world.
    :-]
     
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