New Pro Teams, etc

[Greg Avon]

I am not surprised there has been some criticism surrounding the formation of new DIII Pro teams
this season. Actually, I expected many more negative comments (maybe you guys are riding your bikes
instead of sitting in front of the computer all day?).

Yes, we are adding a DIII team to be announced in a few days and hope to grow our program in the
coming years. I hope most of you are smart enough to realize we are just trying to do something good
for the sport and create an opportuntiy for a few more riders to develop.

I would be happy to address any question or criticism as long as you do not hide behind an
anonymous post.

Flame away,

Greg

www.KissenaSports.com

 

[Ronde Champ]

"Greg Avon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I am not surprised there has been some criticism surrounding the formation of new DIII Pro teams
> this season. Actually, I expected many more
negative
> comments (maybe you guys are riding your bikes instead of sitting in front of the computer
> all day?).
>
> Yes, we are adding a DIII team to be announced in a few days and hope to grow our program in the
> coming years. I hope most of you are smart enough to realize we are just trying to do something
> good for the sport and
create
> an opportuntiy for a few more riders to develop.
>
> I would be happy to address any question or criticism as long as you do
not
> hide behind an anonymous post.
>
> Flame away,
>
> Greg

I have a question. What are the chances of you signing David Sommerville? He's been putting in 20+
hours a week you know.

Thanks, Ronde Champ

 

[Canuck]

"Greg Avon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I am not surprised there has been some criticism surrounding the formation of new DIII Pro teams
> this season. Actually, I expected many more
negative
> comments (maybe you guys are riding your bikes instead of sitting in front of the computer
> all day?).
>
> Yes, we are adding a DIII team to be announced in a few days and hope to grow our program in the
> coming years. I hope most of you are smart enough to realize we are just trying to do something
> good for the sport and
create
> an opportuntiy for a few more riders to develop.
>
> I would be happy to address any question or criticism as long as you do
not
> hide behind an anonymous post.
>
> Flame away,
>
> Greg
>
> www.KissenaSports.com

IMO, the formation of so many new teams is out of whack with the number of reasonable riders that
are available.

There are only 40 or 50 riders who are capable of influencing the outcome of an NRC race.

Having more teams doesn't change that, especially since the riders on those new teams don't get
paid, therefore those riders cannot train any more than previous seasons.

Thus, the new teams are nothing more than regional Cat 1 teams with a new "Pro" wrapper.

 

[Sharon Peters]

>Subject: New Pro Teams, etc From: "Greg Avon"

> I hope most of you are smart enough to realize we are just trying to do something good for the
> sport and create an opportuntiy for a few more riders to develop.

Making more "pro" riders isn't good for the sport. How much does it cost your team to register as a
DIII? Wouldn't that money be better spent on your riders? Either in wages or using that money to go
races in Europe or Canada or Central America? And don't tell me it makes it easier to get
sponsorship dollars, cause that's total ********. Maybe you get a few more free tires if you are
"pro" instead of "elite", but since the pros and 1's and 2's race together all the time anyway, how
do you explain that to a sponsor? It might be worth it if there were pro only races that were worth
doing for a DIII team. But honestly, what is getting last at Beauce going to do for your riders
development? Let them develop glandular fever? The way it stands right now 1/2 to 2/3's of these new
DIII teams won't get rides at First Union Week, so again I ask- what's the point?

Just cause it says pro on your license doesn't mean you are any good. If anything it just means more
assholes who think the world owes them something. How many first time sponsors will get burned by a
bunch of wankers who paid thier own dIII registration fee? A bunch I bet.

-----Sharon Peters Personal Trainer to the Stars-------- Remove "No Junk" to reply please!!!

 

[Amit]

"Greg Avon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
> I am not surprised there has been some criticism surrounding the formation of new DIII Pro teams
> this season. Actually, I expected many more negative comments (maybe you guys are riding your
> bikes instead of sitting in front of the computer all day?).
>
> Yes, we are adding a DIII team to be announced in a few days and hope to grow our program in the
> coming years. I hope most of you are smart enough to realize we are just trying to do something
> good for the sport and create an opportuntiy for a few more riders to develop.
>
> I would be happy to address any question or criticism as long as you do not hide behind an
> anonymous post.
>

What surprises me is the explosion of Div III teams this year. Why didn't this happen earlier ?
What's changed ? The only theory I have is the popularity of the NYC and SF Crit championships.
Having your guys out there racing Lance Armstrong and USPS goes a lot further than actual results in
what're recognized as "major races" (like Housatonic or Somerville or whatever).

USPro/Corestates has always been around, so it's not like that's a new reason to start a pro team,
but it adds to the equation.

The ironic thing is, with all the DIII teams, many of them won't get a ride in the big shows.

-Amit

 

[Ryan Barrett]

"Greg Avon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
> I am not surprised there has been some criticism surrounding the formation of new DIII Pro teams
> this season. Actually, I expected many more negative comments (maybe you guys are riding your
> bikes instead of sitting in front of the computer all day?).
>
> Yes, we are adding a DIII team to be announced in a few days and hope to grow our program in the
> coming years. I hope most of you are smart enough to realize we are just trying to do something
> good for the sport and create an opportuntiy for a few more riders to develop.
>
> I would be happy to address any question or criticism as long as you do not hide behind an
> anonymous post.
>
> Flame away,
>
> Greg
>
> www.KissenaSports.com

That's great that you are starting a pro team. I do think USPro will have to make some requirements
in the next year or so for the bigger races- Philly, San Fran because there will just be too many
teams. It would be nice if teams could exist with a minimum wage for D3, but that's just not the
reality. Best of luck

 

[Maurice De Muer]

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ronde champ wrote:

>"Greg Avon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>
>>I am not surprised there has been some criticism surrounding the formation of new DIII Pro teams
>>this season. Actually, I expected many more
>>
>negative
>
>>comments (maybe you guys are riding your bikes instead of sitting in front of the computer
>>all day?).
>>
>>Yes, we are adding a DIII team to be announced in a few days and hope to grow our program in the
>>coming years. I hope most of you are smart enough to realize we are just trying to do something
>>good for the sport and
>>
>create
>
>>an opportuntiy for a few more riders to develop.
>>
>>I would be happy to address any question or criticism as long as you do
>>
>not
>
>>hide behind an anonymous post.
>>
>>Flame away,
>>
>>Greg
>>
>
>
>I have a question. What are the chances of you signing David Sommerville? He's been putting in 20+
>hours a week you know.
>
>Thanks, Ronde Champ
>
davidsommerville.com/oldsite/photographymtholly01

Thanks,

Maurice Freiburg

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<html> <head> </head> <body> davidsommerville.com/oldsite/photographymtholly01<br> <br> ronde champ
wrote:<br> <blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:[email protected]"> <pre
wrap="">"Greg Avon" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:[email protected]"><[email protected]></a> wrote in
message<br><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="news:[email protected]
v.net">news:[email protected]</a>...<br></pre> <blockquote
type="cite"> <pre wrap="">I am not surprised there has been some criticism surrounding the
formation<br>of new DIII Pro teams this season. Actually, I expected many more<br></pre>
</blockquote> <pre wrap=""><!---->negative<br></pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">comments
(maybe you guys are riding your bikes instead of sitting in front<br>of the computer all
day?).<br><br>Yes, we are adding a DIII team to be announced in a few days and hope to<br>grow our
program in the coming years. I hope most of you are smart enough<br>to realize we are just trying to
do something good for the sport and<br></pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=""><!---->create<br></pre>
<blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">an opportuntiy for a few more riders to develop.<br><br>I
would be happy to address any question or criticism as long as you do<br></pre> </blockquote> <pre
wrap=""><!---->not<br></pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">hide behind an anonymous
post.<br><br>Flame away,<br><br>Greg<br></pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=""><!----><br><br>I have a
question. What are the chances of you signing David Sommerville?<br>He's been putting in 20+ hours a
week you know.<br><br>Thanks,<br>Ronde Champ</pre> </blockquote>
davidsommerville.com/oldsite/photographymtholly01<br> <br> Thanks,<br> <br> Maurice<br> Freiburg<br>
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[Steve]

I remember when a bunch of local guys were moaning about a guy that nobody knew how he went from
3-->2 for starters.......then he was a pro?!?!?!?

I guess it is just a matter of the paperwork (doesn't mean you will get a ride....)

On 1/14/03 10:35 AM, in article 200301[email protected], "Sharon Peters"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>> Subject: New Pro Teams, etc From: "Greg Avon"
>
>> I hope most of you are smart enough to realize we are just trying to do something good for the
>> sport and create an opportuntiy for a few more riders to develop.
>
> Making more "pro" riders isn't good for the sport. How much does it cost your team to register as
> a DIII? Wouldn't that money be better spent on your riders? Either in wages or using that money to
> go races in Europe or Canada or Central America? And don't tell me it makes it easier to get
> sponsorship dollars, cause that's total ********. Maybe you get a few more free tires if you are
> "pro" instead of "elite", but since the pros and 1's and 2's race together all the time anyway,
> how do you explain that to a sponsor? It might be worth it if there were pro only races that were
> worth doing for a DIII team. But honestly, what is getting last at Beauce going to do for your
> riders development? Let them develop glandular fever? The way it stands right now 1/2 to 2/3's of
> these new DIII teams won't get rides at First Union Week, so again I ask- what's the point?
>
> Just cause it says pro on your license doesn't mean you are any good. If anything it just means
> more assholes who think the world owes them something. How many first time sponsors will get
> burned by a bunch of wankers who paid thier own dIII registration fee? A bunch I bet.
>
>
>
> -----Sharon Peters Personal Trainer to the Stars-------- Remove "No Junk" to reply please!!!

 

[Maurice De Muer]

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Maurice de Muer wrote:

> ronde champ wrote:
>
>>"Greg Avon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>
>>>I am not surprised there has been some criticism surrounding the formation of new DIII Pro teams
>>>this season. Actually, I expected many more
>>>
>>negative
>>
>>>comments (maybe you guys are riding your bikes instead of sitting in front of the computer
>>>all day?).
>>>
>>>Yes, we are adding a DIII team to be announced in a few days and hope to grow our program in the
>>>coming years. I hope most of you are smart enough to realize we are just trying to do something
>>>good for the sport and
>>>
>>create
>>
>>>an opportuntiy for a few more riders to develop.
>>>
>>>I would be happy to address any question or criticism as long as you do
>>>
>>not
>>
>>>hide behind an anonymous post.
>>>
>>>Flame away,
>>>
>>>Greg
>>>
>>
>>
>>I have a question. What are the chances of you signing David Sommerville? He's been putting in 20+
>>hours a week you know.
>>
>>Thanks, Ronde Champ
>>
> davidsommerville.com/oldsite/photographymtholly01
>
> Thanks,
>
> Maurice Freiburg

Forgot to ask my Pennsylvania friends: that's former Noble House pro Alex Lavalle isn't it?

Maurice, Freiburg

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<html> <head> </head> <body> Maurice de Muer wrote:<br> <blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:[email protected]">ronde champ wrote:<br> <blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:[email protected]"> <pre wrap="">"Greg Avon" <a
class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:[email protected]"><[email protected]></a> wrote in
message<br><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="news:[email protected]
v.net">news:[email protected]</a>...<br></pre> <blockquote
type="cite"> <pre wrap="">I am not surprised there has been some criticism surrounding the
formation<br>of new DIII Pro teams this season. Actually, I expected many more<br></pre>
</blockquote> <pre wrap=""><!---->negative<br></pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">comments
(maybe you guys are riding your bikes instead of sitting in front<br>of the computer all
day?).<br><br>Yes, we are adding a DIII team to be announced in a few days and hope to<br>grow our
program in the coming years. I hope most of you are smart enough<br>to realize we are just trying to
do something good for the sport and<br></pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=""><!---->create<br></pre>
<blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">an opportuntiy for a few more riders to develop.<br><br>I
would be happy to address any question or criticism as long as you do<br></pre> </blockquote> <pre
wrap=""><!---->not<br></pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">hide behind an anonymous
post.<br><br>Flame away,<br><br>Greg<br></pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=""><!----><br><br>I have a
question. What are the chances of you signing David Sommerville?<br>He's been putting in 20+ hours a
week you know.<br><br>Thanks,<br>Ronde Champ</pre> </blockquote>
davidsommerville.com/oldsite/photographymtholly01<br> <br> Thanks,<br> <br> Maurice<br>
Freiburg</blockquote> Forgot to ask my Pennsylvania friends: that's former Noble House pro Alex
Lavalle isn't it?<br> <br> Maurice, <br> Freiburg<br> <br> </body> </html>

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[David Sommervil]

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Hello Greg and welcome to the evil depths of bicycling life that is RBR,

Yes thats Alex Lavalamp, Damn is that guy fast and funny. He deserves a Pro deal. Really deserves a
Pro deal. Eneas is also in the photo, who is on the new Pro team

David Sommerville was not really good enough for the Kissena Elite = Program. (My own words not
Greg's) I was like 11th guy in the program, a Fringe ****** type, and well I was = not ever really
officially a member. Tried real hard but just was not ready nor could handle the jump up in = level.
Got to do some rides for the team here and there which was great.

Ronde, there is a very small chance (like no chance) of David = Sommerville getting signed by
Kissena Pro Sports. Just not in the cards or stars.. I am not good enough to turn Pro and I =
am too old.

I did "sign" with Kissena Cycling club. Well I did have to sign a club = release form. Got 2 pair of
socks and a hat as a signing bonus.

Having RBR around in my life has given me a reality check.

You guys are so great!
=20
(Flip switch and enter kiss ass mushy mode)

David Sommerville "Staying wankie cat 1" Forgot to ask my Pennsylvania friends: that's former Noble
House pro = Alex Lavalle isn't it?

Maurice,=20 Freiburg

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hello Greg and welcome to the evil = depths of=20 bicycling life
that is RBR,</FONT></DIV>
<DV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DVI><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Yes thats Alex Lavalamp, </FONT><FONT = face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>Damn is that guy fast and funny.</FONT></DIV>
<DVII><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>He deserves a Pro deal. Really deserves = a Pro=20
deal.</FONT></DIV>
<DVIII><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Eneas is also in the photo, who is on = the new Pro=20
team</FONT></DIV>
<DIX><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DX><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>David Sommerville was not really good = enough for=20 the
Kissena Elite Program. (My own words not Greg's)</FONT></DIV>
<DXI><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I was like 11th guy in the program, a = Fringe ******=20 type,
and well I was not ever really officially a member.</FONT></DIV>
<DXII><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tried real hard but just was not ready = nor could=20 handle the
jump up in level.</FONT></DIV>
<DXIII><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Got to do some rides for the team here = and there=20 which was
great.</FONT></DIV>
<DXIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DXV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Ronde, there is a very small chance = (like no=20 chance) of
David Sommerville getting signed by Kissena Pro = Sports.</FONT></DIV>
<DXVI><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Just not in the cards or stars.. I am = not good=20 enough to
turn Pro and I am too old.</FONT></DIV>
<DXVII><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DXVIII><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I did "sign" with Kissena Cycling club. = Well I did=20 have to
sign a club release form.</FONT></DIV>
<DXIX><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Got 2 pair of socks and a hat as a = signing=20
bonus.</FONT></DIV>
<DXX><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DXXI><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Having RBR around in my life has given = me a reality=20
check.</FONT></DIV>
<DXXII><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DXXIII><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>You guys are so great!</FONT></DIV>
<DXXIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> </FONT></DIV>
<DXXV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>(Flip switch and enter kiss ass mushy=20 mode)</FONT></DIV>
<DXXVI><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DXXVII><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>David Sommerville "Staying wankie cat=20 1"</FONT></DIV>
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isn't it?<BR><BR>Maurice,=20 <BR>Freiburg<BR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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[Sharon Peters]

>Subject: Re: New Pro Teams, etc From: [email protected] (Amit)

>Having your guys out there racing Lance Armstrong and USPS goes a lot further than actual results
>in what're recognized as "major races" (like Housatonic or Somerville or whatever).

Dude- Somerville hasn't been a big race in five years. It's a living example of the death of
American bicycle racing. -Dude

 

[Jason Waddell]

>Subject: Re: New Pro Teams, etc From: "Canuck" [email protected] Date: 1/14/03 10:26 AM Central
>Standard Time Message-id: <[email protected]>
>
>
>"Greg Avon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> I am not surprised there has been some criticism surrounding the formation of new DIII Pro teams
>> this season. Actually, I expected many more
>negative
>> comments (maybe you guys are riding your bikes instead of sitting in front of the computer
>> all day?).
>>
>> Yes, we are adding a DIII team to be announced in a few days and hope to grow our program in the
>> coming years. I hope most of you are smart enough to realize we are just trying to do something
>> good for the sport and
>create
>> an opportuntiy for a few more riders to develop.
>>
>> I would be happy to address any question or criticism as long as you do
>not
>> hide behind an anonymous post.
>>
>> Flame away,
>>
>> Greg
>>
>> www.KissenaSports.com
>
>
>
>
>IMO, the formation of so many new teams is out of whack with the number of reasonable riders that
>are available.
>
>There are only 40 or 50 riders who are capable of influencing the outcome of an NRC race.
>
>Having more teams doesn't change that, especially since the riders on those new teams don't get
>paid, therefore those riders cannot train any more than previous seasons.
>
>Thus, the new teams are nothing more than regional Cat 1 teams with a new "Pro" wrapper.

I responded to this in the thread titled: Rank these US teams....with my ranking projections. These
new pro teams are just glorified sub-Elite Am teams. No more, n less. Why not spend that $10,500 on
travel to about 5 NRC races or a couple of trips overseas??? $10,500 is alot of money for people to
able to say that they are "pro".

I can't wait for the first race when these D3 wankers realize that it takes talent to win races, not
a "pro" license.

All that these teams are doing is diluting the "pro" product by sending a bunch of sub-standard
Category 1/2 riders out into big races. They would be better off staying in the amateur ranks and
getting some good experience and doing some extended travel schedules. Philly,SF,NYC,USPRO crit are
the only races that Amateurs are not allowed to
do. There is still alot of NRC racing to be had without "going pro"...

my 2 cents, jason

 

[Ronde Champ]

I liked how Greg Avon posted his message and then said he would answer non-anonymous posters...then
like 10 anonymous posters started posting ****. (I think Waddell was the only 'real' person to post
anything.).

"Greg Avon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I am not surprised there has been some criticism surrounding the formation of new DIII Pro teams
> this season. Actually, I expected many more
negative
> comments (maybe you guys are riding your bikes instead of sitting in front of the computer
> all day?).
>
> Yes, we are adding a DIII team to be announced in a few days and hope to grow our program in the
> coming years. I hope most of you are smart enough to realize we are just trying to do something
> good for the sport and
create
> an opportuntiy for a few more riders to develop.
>
> I would be happy to address any question or criticism as long as you do
not
> hide behind an anonymous post.
>
> Flame away,
>
> Greg
>
> www.KissenaSports.com

 

[The Pomeranian]

Sharon Peters wrote:
>
> >Subject: New Pro Teams, etc From: "Greg Avon"
>
> > I hope most of you are smart enough to realize we are just trying to do something good for the
> > sport and create an opportuntiy for a few more riders to develop.
>
> Making more "pro" riders isn't good for the sport. How much does it cost your team to register as
> a DIII? Wouldn't that money be better spent on your riders? Either in wages or using that money to
> go races in Europe or Canada or Central America? And don't tell me it makes it easier to get
> sponsorship dollars, cause that's total ********. Maybe you get a few more free tires if you are
> "pro" instead of "elite", but since the pros and 1's and 2's race together all the time anyway,
> how do you explain that to a sponsor? It might be worth it if there were pro only races that were
> worth doing for a DIII team. But honestly, what is getting last at Beauce going to do for your
> riders development? Let them develop glandular fever? The way it stands right now 1/2 to 2/3's of
> these new DIII teams won't get rides at First Union Week, so again I ask- what's the point?
>
> Just cause it says pro on your license doesn't mean you are any good. If anything it just means
> more assholes who think the world owes them something. How many first time sponsors will get
> burned by a bunch of wankers who paid thier own dIII registration fee? A bunch I bet.

This is the funniest post of the week. I don't even miss Kunich.

 

[Stewart Fleming]

Jason Waddell wrote:

> races or a couple of trips overseas??? $10,500 is alot of money for people to able to say that
> they are "pro".

Has the $12K dream been downgraded due to the state of the US economy? STF

 

[Daniel Connelly]

Sharon Peters wrote:
> Dude- Somerville hasn't been a big race in five years. It's a living example of the death of
> American bicycle racing. -Dude

Somerville's a boring crit. Crit's getting replaced in the cycling hierarchy isn't a sign of death,
it's a sign of improvement.

Stage 1 Sea Otter Classic Stage Race is going to be an epic circuit through the hills around Redwood
City, CA, starting and finishing downtown. I was at the City Council meeting where it received 7-0
support. This is racing. Not a crit.

Dan

 

[Canuck]

"ronde champ" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> I liked how Greg Avon posted his message and then said he would answer non-anonymous
> posters...then like 10 anonymous posters started posting
****.
> (I think Waddell was the only 'real' person to post anything.).

I don't need a response from him in expressing my opinion that there aren't enough competitive
riders to fill all the D3 team roster slots.

The whole exercise is simply a re-badging of regional Cat 1 teams.

If those D3 teams paid the riders a living wage, giving the riders a chance to train full-time, then
it'd be different. Such is not the case.

I could slap a Porshe badge on my Chevy, but underneath the hood, its still a Chevy.

 

[Greg Avon]

"Sharon Peters" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> >Subject: New Pro Teams, etc From: "Greg Avon"
>
> > I hope most of you are smart enough to realize we are just trying to do something good for the
> > sport and
create
> >an opportuntiy for a few more riders to develop.
>
> Making more "pro" riders isn't good for the sport.

That alone is not good for the sport. I should have been more specific and said that taking another
step toward our eventual goal of providing a clear development structure for young riders from
Junior to Elite Amateur to Pro is good for the sport.

> How much does it cost your
> team to register as a DIII?

$5,500 is the fee (plus you are required to post a bank guarantee of at least $5,000)

>Wouldn't that money be better spent on your riders? Either in wages or using that money to go races
>in Europe or
Canada or
> Central America?

$5500 is not enough money for a supported team trip to Europe, we already go to Canada when
appropriate and we're not interested in sending the team to Central America.

>And don't tell me it makes it easier to get sponsorship dollars, cause that's total ********.

It definitely has made it easier to find sponsorship, although it still requires an incredible
amount of work.

> It might be worth it if there were pro only races that were worth doing
for a
> DIII team. But honestly, what is getting last at Beauce going to do for
your
> riders development?

Our amateur team competed at Beauce a number of times finishing higher than some of the pro teams.
Doing tougher races (like Beauce) is an important part of developing riders.

. . .
> -----Sharon Peters Personal Trainer to the Stars--------

 

[Greg Avon]

"Amit" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Greg Avon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > I am not surprised there has been some criticism surrounding the
formation
> > of new DIII Pro teams this season. Actually, I expected many more
negative
> > comments (maybe you guys are riding your bikes instead of sitting in
front
> > of the computer all day?).
> >
> > Yes, we are adding a DIII team to be announced in a few days and hope to grow our program in the
> > coming years. I hope most of you are smart
enough
> > to realize we are just trying to do something good for the sport and
create
> > an opportuntiy for a few more riders to develop.
> >
> > I would be happy to address any question or criticism as long as you do
not
> > hide behind an anonymous post.
> >
>
> What surprises me is the explosion of Div III teams this year. Why didn't this happen earlier ?
> What's changed ? The only theory I have is the popularity of the NYC and SF Crit championships.

San Fran and NYC were a factor, but also its getting pretty hard to hold an amateur program
together. Many riders are lured away from amateur programs by the many TT/III teams.

Having your
> guys out there racing Lance Armstrong and USPS goes a lot further than actual results in what're
> recognized as "major races" (like Housatonic or Somerville or whatever).

Very true as far as the sponsors are concerned.

>
> USPro/Corestates has always been around, so it's not like that's a new reason to start a pro team,
> but it adds to the equation.
>
> The ironic thing is, with all the DIII teams, many of them won't get a ride in the big shows.
>
> -Amit

 

[Wade Summers]

Jason Waddell wrote in message
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>All that these teams are doing is diluting the "pro" product by sending a
bunch
>of sub-standard Category 1/2 riders out into big races. They would be
better
>off staying in the amateur ranks and getting some good experience and doing some extended travel
>schedules. Philly,SF,NYC,USPRO crit are the only races that Amateurs are not allowed
to
>do. There is still alot of NRC racing to be had without "going pro"...
>
>my 2 cents, jason

And to add to your point Jason, if I may. Both the NYC event and USPRO crit weekend have races for
just the elite riders or P1/2 events, most notably the Elite (Cat 1) Criterium Championships. So
even those events offer a forum for elite amateurs to show their stuff. This rash of Div3 teams is a
bunch of guys wanting to say they are pro.

Wade