New RANS Model ?

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  1. Ken Kramer

    Ken Kramer Guest

    I have heard that RANS has cheapened their V2 for 2003 to make room for a high end aluminum version
    which I think will be called the Formula. It is supposed to sell for over $3000. Can anyone confirm
    this? When is the release date?
     
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  2. "Ken Kramer" skrev...
    [q1]> I have heard that RANS has cheapened their V2 for 2003 to make room for a high end aluminum[/q1]
    [q1]> version which I think will be called the Formula. It is supposed to sell for over $3000. Can[/q1]
    [q1]> anyone confirm this? When is the release date?[/q1]

    http://www.ransbikes.com/Whatsnew/V2Formula.htm

    M
     
  3. Papa

    Papa Guest

    6061 aluminum tubing is cheaper than 4130 cromo, so why not? If the Formula is an import, Rans will
    be bagging substantual bucks with all the hype. Unlike titanium or carbon, aluminum exibits a "dead"
    feel. I'd be surprised if the Formula was any different.

    "Mikael Seierup" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:<[email protected]>...
    [q1]> "Ken Kramer" skrev...[/q1]
    [q2]> > I have heard that RANS has cheapened their V2 for 2003 to make room for a high end aluminum[/q2]
    [q2]> > version which I think will be called the Formula. It is supposed to sell for over $3000. Can[/q2]
    [q2]> > anyone confirm this? When is the release date?[/q2]
    [q1]>[/q1]
    [q1]> http://www.ransbikes.com/Whatsnew/V2Formula.htm[/q1]
    [q1]>[/q1]
    [q1]> M[/q1]
     
  4. The Ti Rush with stock equipment from Easy Racers or an ER dealer lists for $5200. Add shipping
    ($72) fairing ($279) dual kickstand ($35) bottle cages ($15) plus any other upgrades you may
    have in mind.

    --
    Gator Bob Siegel EasyRacers Ti Rush

    "Jude T. McGloin" <[email protected]> wrote mid to upper 3K
    [q1]> The Ti Rush with a performance package can top 5K.[/q1]
     
  5. At the 02' LV Show I got to look closely at this entry. The bent shown on the website is the EXACT
    bike that was at the show. It (the one shown) had a RANS seat with a thinner seat pad and a nicer
    more durable seat mesh. Now that said...Randy Schlitter indicated that the wheelset may change and
    that they were still working on the seat. These were two areas that it seems were still in the "up
    in the air" stage in early October. As most of us that follow the bent world happenings closely know
    from experience is. "It ain't what it is.... till it is". Al la V2 and Saber. The website narrative
    indicates a carbon seat. I would not be suprised if it ends up being a eurotype hardshell. It would
    be a simple way to lighten it up. I personally prefer the hardshell euroseats on performance bents.
    The wheelset? The HED's shown are expensive, even at wholesale prices. Current retail on the one
    shown is about $650/60... My guess is that RANS has chosen to make a "production" performance LWB
    rather than compete in the already somewhat conjested SWB arena. I have seen many a GRR decked out
    with HED wheels and Ultegra mixed packages. The cost of these machines was well into the mid to
    upper 3K area. The Ti Rush with a performance package can top 5K. I want to replace my sold V2 with
    another LWB. However, It way well be a cromo or aluminum V2 frameset with the M5 seat adapted to it
    and mixed component bag. Or perhaps a "tater" Hmmm.

    Jude....///Bacchetta AERO St. Michaels and Tilghman Island.. Maryland Wheel Doctor Cycle and Sports,
    Inc 1-800-586-6645 "Ken Kramer" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:ry0U9.84357$%[email protected]...
    > I have heard that RANS has cheapened their V2 for 2003 to make room for a high end aluminum
    > version which I think will be called the Formula. It is supposed to sell for over $3000. Can
    > anyone confirm this? When is the release date?
     
  6. At the 02' LV Show I got to look closely at this entry. The bent shown on the website is the EXACT
    bike that was at the show. It (the one shown) had a RANS seat with a thinner seat pad and a nicer
    more durable seat mesh. Now that said...Randy Schlitter indicated that the wheelset may change and
    that they were still working on the seat. These were two areas that it seems were still in the "up
    in the air" stage in early October. As most of us that follow the bent world happenings closely know
    from experience is. "It ain't what it is.... till it is". Al la V2 and Saber. The website narrative
    indicates a carbon seat. I would not be suprised if it ends up being a eurotype hardshell. It would
    be a simple way to lighten it up. I personally prefer the hardshell euroseats on performance bents.
    The wheelset? The HED's shown are expensive, even at wholesale prices. Current retail on the one
    shown is about $650/60... My guess is that RANS has chosen to make a "production" performance LWB
    rather than compete in the already somewhat conjested SWB arena. I have seen many a GRR decked out
    with HED wheels and Ultegra mixed packages. The cost of these machines was well into the mid to
    upper 3K area. The Ti Rush with a performance package can top 5K. I want to replace my sold V2 with
    another LWB. However, It way well be a cromo or aluminum V2 frameset with the M5 seat adapted to it
    and mixed component bag. Or perhaps a "tater" Hmmm.

    Jude....///Bacchetta AERO St. Michaels and Tilghman Island.. Maryland Wheel Doctor Cycle and Sports,
    Inc 1-800-586-6645 "Ken Kramer" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:ry0U9.84357$%[email protected]...
    > I have heard that RANS has cheapened their V2 for 2003 to make room for a high end aluminum
    > version which I think will be called the Formula. It is supposed to sell for over $3000. Can
    > anyone confirm this? When is the release date?
     
  7. John Riley

    John Riley Guest

    Papa wrote:
    >
    > 6061 aluminum tubing is cheaper than 4130 cromo, so why not? If the Formula is an import, Rans
    > will be bagging substantual bucks with all the hype.[...]

    That assumes the frame is most of the cost of the bike. In this case, I would think the component
    cost was considerable.

    John Riley
     
  8. Tom Sherman

    Tom Sherman Guest

    Papa wrote:
    >
    > 6061 aluminum tubing is cheaper than 4130 cromo, so why not? If the Formula is an import, Rans
    > will be bagging substantual bucks with all the hype. Unlike titanium or carbon, aluminum exibits a
    > "dead" feel. I'd be surprised if the Formula was any different.

    Conventional wisdom dies hard. The amount of vertical flexure is most bicycle frames (certainly in
    something as stiff as the RANS Velocity Squared) is negligible compared to that of the tires. And
    the overall stiffness of the frame is what would be important, not the elastic modulus of a
    particular frame material.

    However, aluminium, steel, titanium, and carbon fiber composite frame bikes will all sound different
    due to the different damping properties of each material. This will produce a subjectively different
    ride quality for each frame material (for riders with hearing in the normal range or better).

    Tom Sherman - Quad Cities USA (Illinois side) RANS "Wavewind" and Rocket, Earth Cycles Sunset and
    Dragonflyer
     
  9. John Riley

    John Riley Guest

    Papa wrote:
    >
    > 6061 aluminum tubing is cheaper than 4130 cromo, so why not? If the Formula is an import, Rans
    > will be bagging substantual bucks with all the hype.[...]

    That assumes the frame is most of the cost of the bike. In this case, I would think the component
    cost was considerable.

    John Riley
     
  10. Tom Sherman

    Tom Sherman Guest

    Papa wrote:
    >
    > 6061 aluminum tubing is cheaper than 4130 cromo, so why not? If the Formula is an import, Rans
    > will be bagging substantual bucks with all the hype. Unlike titanium or carbon, aluminum exibits a
    > "dead" feel. I'd be surprised if the Formula was any different.

    Conventional wisdom dies hard. The amount of vertical flexure is most bicycle frames (certainly in
    something as stiff as the RANS Velocity Squared) is negligible compared to that of the tires. And
    the overall stiffness of the frame is what would be important, not the elastic modulus of a
    particular frame material.

    However, aluminium, steel, titanium, and carbon fiber composite frame bikes will all sound different
    due to the different damping properties of each material. This will produce a subjectively different
    ride quality for each frame material (for riders with hearing in the normal range or better).

    Tom Sherman - Quad Cities USA (Illinois side) RANS "Wavewind" and Rocket, Earth Cycles Sunset and
    Dragonflyer
     
  11. Mlb

    Mlb Guest

    John Riley <[email protected]> wrote in news:3E21F667.BF426A59 @rogers.com:

    >
    >
    > Papa wrote:
    >>
    >> 6061 aluminum tubing is cheaper than 4130 cromo, so why not? If the Formula is an import, Rans
    >> will be bagging substantual bucks with all the hype.[...]
    >
    > That assumes the frame is most of the cost of the bike. In this case, I would think the component
    > cost was considerable.
    >
    > John Riley

    Saw somewhere (maybe here) someone claiming that the wheelset was $650 !!!
     
  12. Mlb

    Mlb Guest

    John Riley <[email protected]> wrote in news:3E21F667.BF426A59 @rogers.com:

    >
    >
    > Papa wrote:
    >>
    >> 6061 aluminum tubing is cheaper than 4130 cromo, so why not? If the Formula is an import, Rans
    >> will be bagging substantual bucks with all the hype.[...]
    >
    > That assumes the frame is most of the cost of the bike. In this case, I would think the component
    > cost was considerable.
    >
    > John Riley

    Saw somewhere (maybe here) someone claiming that the wheelset was $650 !!!
     
  13. Mike Warner

    Mike Warner Guest

    Mikael Seierup wrote:

    >
    > "Ken Kramer" skrev...
    >> I have heard that RANS has cheapened their V2 for 2003 to make room for a high end aluminum
    >> version which I think will be called the Formula. It is supposed to sell for over $3000. Can
    >> anyone confirm this? When is the release date?
    >
    > http://www.ransbikes.com/Whatsnew/V2Formula.htm
    >
    > M

    That *thing* is WAY WAY WAY overpriced. For that kind of money you can by a Challenge Jester or an
    Optima Baron and have enough money left over for a cruise (which you will later need the bike to
    *recover* from).

    mc
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    Replace "crap" with "warnerm" in my email addr
     
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