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If they don't work out...I

add them to my array of lawnmowing shoes.
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you should return them and have no hesitation about it. these shoe companies
promise you the ride of your life....and most all have no problem having their
retailers/distributors accept returns after introductory/preliminary use of
50-75 miles or so...perhaps even 100. feet & form are unique, you're buying a
universal mass-manufactured product (not a custom pair for you)...and shoe
companies sell the shoe as if it's "perfect for you", they're just taking a
shot-gun approach knowing x% of the buyers of the shoe are going to have
unfulfilled expectations. they'll accept the return, especially if you take
the time to express and opinion of where/how the shoe failed you.

wanna tip on a great deal on a trail shoe? rrs is having a blow out and if you
can find a shoe in your size, you can get a hell of a deal. Adidas Wanaka TR
GTX Waterproof Trail Shoe for $29. If you're a member or the running club
knock another 5% off, go to dealcoupon and pick up the code for 20% off....when
the smoke clears, the price you pay for the shoe is about $20 and some change.
Sure, rrs sticks you a bit on the shipping...but that's OK. We're talking a
$100 shoe here. Last I looked they had'em in stock from sizes 9-13. Guess
what X-mas present all my family's getting from me this year?.....I bought 7
pairs 🙂

do they trail run? of course not. it's the through that counts. the thought
that i've completed my x-mas shopping in 5 minutes 🙂 woo-hoo!

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NB 750 and it has one of the most curved lasts I've ever seen on a shoe.

I remember looking at it in disbelief and thinking you'd have to be a martian
to fit that thing.
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that shoe flattens right out once on, requires no break-in period, and i think
you're simply just describing the shape of a proper track shoe. it's shape is
more similar to spikes, sprint/middle distance, etc. than to a light weight
trainer (for a reason). the NB950 has even a slightly more curved appearance.
btw, both can be had in certain sizes at the rrs blowout for half price. you
should test out a pair of 950's donnie.

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my Asics tiger paws are holding up well

after 250 miles. They are a very flexible shoe, my favourite flat from Asics (I

have all the Asics flats and one of their spikes)
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do you have a pair of the yellow gel racer V flats donnie? nice roomy shoe
box, well ventilated mesh....that's the only flat i really was not crazy about.
i find the sole to be rigid, too rigid disrupting any sense of connection
w/the ground, the subtle curved surface of the road...just strike me as a
sterile flat w/no character whatsoever.

"Donovan Rebbechi" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Same experience here. I usually know after about 100 miles whether I like

the

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shoe or not.

You mean after they are "broken in"?

Just joking!!!!

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Guess
what X-mas present all my family's getting from me this year?.....I bought 7
pairs 🙂

do they trail run? of course not. it's the through that counts.

Oh I see now, you bought them all in YOUR size, so they'll give them to you?
Wadda sport!

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you take _Oil_ (mink or any kind, lubricate your mitt, place a
ball in the center, then tie up the mitt w/string or whatever. That's how
you
break-in a catchers mitt, and let it sit over night...and you can repeat this
the next day/night... and i think every kid in america knows
that...especially
catchers.

"Same concept" Huh?

Yes, I do that with all my shoes. One caution though, loosen the ties up a few
times during the night, or you'll get gangrene.
Signed 'ol 4 toes.

Lanceandrew said:

do you have a pair of the yellow gel racer V flats donnie? nice roomy shoe
box, well ventilated mesh....that's the only flat i really was not crazy
about. i find the sole to be rigid, too rigid disrupting any sense of
connection w/the ground, the subtle curved surface of the road...just strike
me as a sterile flat w/no character whatsoever.

Yeah, I have the DS racer V. I agree with all your comments. The mesh upper is
great but the shoe doesn't feel like a flat, it just feels like an
undercushioned cushioned trainer. Maybe it's because of the medial post they
put in it.

Both the tiger paw and the gel magic are much better shoes (and the tiger paw
is much cheaper)

I've seen the 950 in the shops and it looks like one of the lighter shoes
available. I may try either that or the Brooks T3 some day.

But I have a few pairs of tiger paws, so I'm all set for now.

Cheers,
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Donovan Rebbechi
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

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You can always take the insoles out and put them in the washing machine

(but

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I don't recommend tumble drying them).

Oh yeah, my wife just loves the idea of me putting shoes like that in the
washer. Here's the deal in my house: I am not allowed to use the dishwasher
for baseball caps, nor the washing machine for running shoes, I may not
discipline the dogs and thou shalt not wake the lady of the house when
rising early for the morning run. I get every other freedom most men would
want, so I abide by that simple set of rules with diligence :^)

Oh, yeah, I don't "talk back" either..............

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Oh, yeah, I don't "talk back" either..............

[censored]-whipped.

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Ever play baseball or softball? Remember breaking in a new catchers mit?

Same concept. all that material is stiff and brand new-and when you
break it in-like a catchers mit-it has to be softened up.
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wow, that's really a bad analogy. are you sure you played baseball? i

did,

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catcher in fact. you take _Oil_ (mink or any kind, lubricate your mitt,

place a

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ball in the center, then tie up the mitt w/string or whatever. That's

how you

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break-in a catchers mitt, and let it sit over night...and you can repeat

this

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the next day/night... and i think every kid in america knows

that...especially

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catchers.

I played baseball, catcher in fact, and almost everyone did what you did to
your mitt, but that didn't break-in the glove. It just softened it and
molded a ball pocket so breaking in would be easier and faster.

Breaking in is when your fingers and palm wore into the glove, when the
crease in the mitt folded the same way every time. Essentially, when the
glove "fit like a glove". It takes a pretty long time to break-in a baseball
glove or mitt, when it truly becomes an extension of your fingers and
hand.....it's something does not happen overnight for sure.

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I usually know after about 100 miles whether I like the shoe or not.

Until

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then, it's hard to tell.
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so what is it that strikes you at mile 100 that you could not discern at

mile

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75?

I've read Donovan's reply, and for me whether the shoe is suited well is how
my legs feel, how my ankles feel, how my quads feel, how my plantar fascia
feels, how my hips feel etc. It's all about what my body is telling me.
Sometimes a shoe will fit perfectly, but still doesn't have the ride and
support you need, and most times it takes some miles before my body makes
this evident.

It's probably the same thing that happens to most people when they have put
too many miles on a given pair of runners. Your body tells you to consider
these shoes worn-out.

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If they don't work out...I

add them to my array of lawnmowing shoes.
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you should return them and have no hesitation about it. these shoe

companies

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promise you the ride of your life....and most all have no problem having

their

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retailers/distributors accept returns after introductory/preliminary use

of

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50-75 miles or so...perhaps even 100.

That's a thought I admit to never having seriously considered.

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wanna tip on a great deal on a trail shoe?

I don't like trail shoes. I use trainers on trails. But I apprcaiate the
info. One can never save enough money :^)

Got any tips ona great deal for a plasma TV? Oh, never mind....there won't
be hockey this season.

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I don't like trail shoes. I use trainers on trails.

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what kind of trail runners are you all on this ng? i am very disappointed! i
vision trail running on paths where it is imparative to have the traction only
delivered w/a trail shoe! you mean every time you go out it's not an epic
battle of man v. nature? you're not at peril w/every strike dangerously
careening off the path?....or worse....causing a landslide along the lines of
what we saw on the news last week in Colorado?

friggen DF "trail runs" in road shoes, you trail run in lw trainers? good
grief. some tough trails. zzzzzzzzzzzzz you guys remind me of people like
me....my big bad SUV has never seen a dirt road. please don't spoil my fantasy
and tell me you're running on lazy and worse yet, totally safe, trails.... i
assume the trail running world has lines of division wherein there are some
that stick to trails requiring a trail shoe. would this be the trail high
brow?

do they "grade" trails or something? if you're taking a trip or heading to a
race for the first time....how do you know what shoe is appropriate if you've
never ran the trail before? word of mouth? do you put your finger to the
wind, gain a sense of the weather and try & connect to what you've heard about
the trail and then make a decision to where a trail shoe?

Ramone Cila said:

Oh yeah, my wife just loves the idea of me putting shoes like that in the
washer.

Handwash isn't as good, but it's better than nothing. You need to soak it
over night then give them a pretty good scrub. They won't come out looking
like new, but it should improve them somewhat. Might even be able to negotiate
use of the washing machine.

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

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and tell me you're running on lazy and worse yet, totally safe, trails.... i
assume the trail running world has lines of division wherein there are some
that stick to trails requiring a trail shoe. would this be the trail high
brow?

You're still not getting it. My teammates and I run through rocky trails,
through puddles and mud in torrential downpours, and all of this in regular
trainers (or even lightweights). There is no trail that "requires" a trail shoe
(though XC spikes are good for short races in tough conditions)

Cheers,
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Donovan Rebbechi
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

Amen,Donovan,after 5x Ironman and 65thous miles of running in
20years..about 110 Pair of shoes you are so right..it is not the shoe-it
is the determined runner...Good Luck

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Oh, yeah, I don't "talk back" either..............

[censored]-whipped.

When it comes to my wife that's very true, and I like it that way :^)

But that's a far cry from being a [censored]...................like you.

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Yeah, the 2090's didn't work well for me. Probably only put 75
running
miles on them before I gave up. Couldn't keep them from slapping the
pavement. They were loud, and the ride was terrible. I use them now
for
just kicking around.

They are MC shoes, you obviously don't need that kind.

Yo dufus or is it doofus or just plain out to lunch - 90's are a
stabilty shoe not motion control. Stick to moronic posts about your
[censored].

-DF

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You can always take the insoles out and put them in the washing
machine

(but

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I don't recommend tumble drying them).

Oh yeah, my wife just loves the idea of me putting shoes like that in
the
washer. Here's the deal in my house: I am not allowed to use the
dishwasher
for baseball caps, nor the washing machine for running shoes, I may
not
discipline the dogs and thou shalt not wake the lady of the house when
rising early for the morning run. I get every other freedom most men
would
want, so I abide by that simple set of rules with diligence :^)

Oh, yeah, I don't "talk back" either..............

She's got you just where she wants you. Isn't the definition of being
expletive whipped? 😉
-DF

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Same experience here. I usually know after about 100 miles whether I
like the
shoe or not. Until then, it's hard to tell.

I would assume your 100 miles includes various length runs to include
your long run. For instance the 90's were just fine for runs less than
12 miles. Once I went past that they sucked.

-DF

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Yo dufus or is it doofus or just plain out to lunch - 90's are a
stabilty shoe not motion control. Stick to moronic posts about your
[censored].

Oops so sorry! It appears I've roused the big, bad, troll from under his
bridge. Luckily at his age, by tommorow he won't remember it.