News Flash: German Doctors beat Spanish Doctors in TdF!!!

[bobke]

WHo cares about the world cup?
The German doctors are killing it in this years Tour de France.
Of the top ten in the ITT, 6 riders are German or on German teams and no one anywhere would have chosen any of them to do as well, much less win.
So I say, hats off to German medicine gents!!
Almost as good as Gewiis 1994!!

 

[Ullefan]

WHo cares about the world cup?
The German doctors are killing it in this years Tour de France.
Of the top ten in the ITT, 6 riders are German or on German teams and no one anywhere would have chosen any of them to do as well, much less win.
So I say, hats off to German medicine gents!!
Almost as good as Gewiis 1994!!

The knife cuts deep?

 

[Bro Deal]

This is absolutely hilarious. For years when people raised questions about the miraculous performance of Postal/Disco, like having seven of the last twenty in the lead group of a climb, these Disco heads were up in arms. How dare anyone draw the obvious conclusion that there was a medical program at Disco. How dare they.

Now that the blue train has derailed, they are the ones accusing the other teams of doping.

 

[Mansmind]

This is absolutely hilarious. For years when people raised questions about the miraculous performance of Postal/Disco, like having seven of the last twenty in the lead group of a climb, these Disco heads were up in arms. How dare anyone draw the obvious conclusion that there was a medical program at Disco. How dare they.

Now that the blue train has derailed, they are the ones accusing the other teams of doping.

Good point.

 

[bobke]

Good point.

Who mentioned Disco/Postal.
I think this is about the Spanish doping doctors involved with 2 riders on T-Mobile and now the rest of the team is blatantly involved.
Eddy Mazzoleni beat every rider on Discovery today.

 

[whiteboytrash]

The knife cuts deep?

It cuts very deep ! LOL ! The best American on this Tour is a guy Postal got rid of ! Ha ha ha ha ! LOL !

Let them be Ulle they are hurting !

Looks like Levi's drug supply has stopped along with DC's when Armstrong left the peleton with he's dealers......

 

[rockinchair]

WHo cares about the world cup?
The German doctors are killing it in this years Tour de France.
Of the top ten in the ITT, 6 riders are German or on German teams and no one anywhere would have chosen any of them to do as well, much less win.
So I say, hats off to German medicine gents!!
Almost as good as Gewiis 1994!!

what the hell? what the **** are you talking about?

1. Serhiy Honchar (TMO) 1:01:44
2. Floyd Landis (PHO) + 1:01
3. Sebastian Lang (GST) + 1:04
4. Michael Rogers (TMO) + 1:24
5. Gustav Larsson (FDJ) + 1:34
6. Patrik Sinkewitz (TMO) + 1:39
7. Markus Fothen (GST) + 1:42
8. Andreas Klöden (TMO) + 1:43
9. Denis Menchov (RAB) + 1:44
10. Joost Posthuma (RAB) + 1:45

So who did you expect?
Just in case you didn't know:

Honchar is a has won a complete set of medals in time trial world championships since 1997. Lang is also one of the best riders when it comes to ITT. Rogers is a triple TT world champion! Fothen is probably the most promising German prospect with good results in the Giro 2005, and former U23 European and world TT champion. And Klöden isn't a surprise either. In my opinion the biggest and only surprise is Sinkewitz. So please come back to your senses!

 

[FrankBattle]

bah .. just give the tour victory to Landis now and let's call it a tour.

You could argue that he'd be in yellow now if not for the mechanical in the prologue and the handlebar incident in the TT.

Perhaps the new drugs take time to kick in for the Disco boys. Levi already got his stage race victory. Dunno what the hell he was thinking that he could contend.

 

[Mansmind]

Who mentioned Disco/Postal.
I think this is about the Spanish doping doctors involved with 2 riders on T-Mobile and now the rest of the team is blatantly involved.
Eddy Mazzoleni beat every rider on Discovery today.

No one mentioned them.

The fact remains that up till a few weeks ago, there were several posts here dealing with Lance/Discovery and their "doping". I consider those just as unfounded as creating a post implying it's now a competition between the German and Spanish doctors.

There's no proof against Lance/Discovery, and there's no proof against the riders riding now.

As far as Discovery being derailed, we'll see. The race isn't over yet, but they certainly got their butt kicked today.

 

[bobke]

what the hell? what the **** are you talking about?

1. Serhiy Honchar (TMO) 1:01:44
2. Floyd Landis (PHO) + 1:01
3. Sebastian Lang (GST) + 1:04
4. Michael Rogers (TMO) + 1:24
5. Gustav Larsson (FDJ) + 1:34
6. Patrik Sinkewitz (TMO) + 1:39
7. Markus Fothen (GST) + 1:42
8. Andreas Klöden (TMO) + 1:43
9. Denis Menchov (RAB) + 1:44
10. Joost Posthuma (RAB) + 1:45

So who did you expect?
Just in case you didn't know:

Honchar is a has won a complete set of medals in time trial world championships since 1997. Lang is also one of the best riders when it comes to ITT. Rogers is a triple TT world champion! Fothen is probably the most promising German prospect with good results in the Giro 2005, and former U23 European and world TT champion. And Klöden isn't a surprise either. In my opinion the biggest and only surprise is Sinkewitz. So please come back to your senses!

Wow, such strong language.
Well, FYI, I knew all of the above.
So did all the journalists and commentators.
Please find me one person anywhere who thought Gonchar would win?
Please find me anyone anywhere who thought that of the top ten most would be Germans or on German teams.
I am simply pointing out that the results, save Landis 2nd, are a complete shock to everyone and no one predicted it.

I am back to my senses and never left them.
My senses are telling me that when a complete reversal of everyone's predictions occurs, something is up.

SOmething akin to Gewiss 1994.

1.Personally, I never thought Levi had it in him to win.
2. I think most people thought Zabriskie would win the TT handily or do an easy top three.
3. As for the others, the only time Gonchar came close to the top in the TdF was 2002 when his closest competitors (besides Armstrong) were Botero and Rumsas. Get the picture now?
Sure Gonchar could do a top ten, in the Tour. Win?

 

[tcklyde]

WHo cares about the world cup?
The German doctors are killing it in this years Tour de France.
Of the top ten in the ITT, 6 riders are German or on German teams and no one anywhere would have chosen any of them to do as well, much less win.
So I say, hats off to German medicine gents!!
Almost as good as Gewiis 1994!!

You have got to be kidding. Honestly, is this a joke?

Dr. Ferrari is the doctor of Rogers, Mazzenlini and Sinkewitz. Same doctor as your good pal Lance.

So if you honestly believe that T-Mobile riders are doping, then surely you will admit that the same doctor who is doping them, doped Lance, too. Right?

 

[bobke]

You have got to be kidding. Honestly, is this a joke?

Dr. Ferrari is the doctor of Rogers, Mazzenlini and Sinkewitz. Same doctor as your good pal Lance.

So if you honestly believe that T-Mobile riders are doping, then surely you will admit that the same doctor who is doping them, doped Lance, too. Right?

ummmm...just a little logic and facts please.
Sevilla and Ullrich were excluded fromthe race due to strong suspicions.
They are on the same team--T-Mobile.
T-Mobile, their leaders and domestiques just handed it to the best TTrialers in the world.
They are clearly doping.
The connection that is all but proven is with Ullrich and Fuentes.
Fuentes has SAID that other of his clients are still racing.

This has nothing to do with Ferrari as far as I can see.
This is simply some Lance haters trying to do their old tricks.


Fact is: no one anywhere came close to seeing or predicting these results.
No media, press, commentator, coach, rider, or ex-rider.

 

[JohnO]

Fact is: no one anywhere came close to seeing or predicting these results.
No media, press, commentator, coach, rider, or ex-rider.

Hardly the first time that has happened in the Tour.

Except for Floyd, the Americans screwed the pooch today. Dave Z really sucked. Levi was always a question mark, and George was probably overrated. Pity about Bobby.

Biggest surprise about Honchar is finding out that his name is actually spelled Gonchar - he did well in the Giro, but really isn't a GC contender. Floyd is. And if any team is having bad luck right now, it's not Disco, it's CSC. After seven years of Lance and five years of Miguel, we may be forgetting what a Tour with no dominating figure is like. Unpredictable.

I'd hate to be Phonak's lead mechanic right about now... Floyd is probably contemplating a good old fashioned ass whooping... DC's offer to him just grew by 30%, plus a good mechanic...

 

[Bro Deal]

T-Mobile, their leaders and domestiques just handed it to the best TTrialers in the world.
They are clearly doping.

Sort of like all the Postal/Disco domestiques dropping the best climbers in the world. Nope, no doping there. Perfectly normal.

It must be rough to wake up one day and find the shoe is on the other foot--especially after spending years denying the obvious.

 

[TrekDedicated]

Now that the blue train has derailed, they are the ones accusing the other teams of doping.

Can I have a link as to where DC is 'accusing' others of doping?

 

[rockinchair]

They are clearly doping.

Every rider is doping, not only the TMO guys. Apart from that these riders have always been very good in TT stages. How can you compare TT specialists like Rogers, Honchar, Klöden and company to climbing specialists of DC? In fact Mazzoleni and Sinkewitz surprised me, but the other riders did what they had to do.

Fact is: no one anywhere came close to seeing or predicting these results. No media, press, commentator, coach, rider, or ex-rider.

the German team for eurosport predicted 4 German riders (Klöden, Lang, Fothen and Voigt) among the top ten with Klöden winning the thing. And Honchar was among the favourites as well. How can a guy that already had some good TTs this year and is a triple TT world champion be a big surprise? Nobody could know that Dave Z, Millar, Hincapie (who is overrated in my opinion) and all the others would disappoint their fans. The Klöden prediction was a little bit biased but 4 Germans among the top ten was realistic, but Sinkewitz is a surprise though.

 

[WarrenG]

Dr. Ferrari is the doctor of Rogers, Mazzenlini and Sinkewitz. Same doctor as your good pal Lance.

So if you honestly believe that T-Mobile riders are doping, then surely you will admit that the same doctor who is doping them, doped Lance, too. Right?

T-Mobile told Rogers the other day that he must end his affiliation with Ferrari. Dunno if Discovery has done likewise with their riders.

Check out Ferrari's formal education background. He came from a university renowned for its expertise with matters pertaining to blood. Same university as his associate Conconi.

Maybe Ferrari helps with training plans? Like when Conconi and Ferrari helped Moser prepare to break the hour record. Of course, Moser later admitted he used blood doping to help him break the record.

 

[tcklyde]

This has nothing to do with Ferrari as far as I can see.
This is simply some Lance haters trying to do their old tricks.


Fact is: no one anywhere came close to seeing or predicting these results.
No media, press, commentator, coach, rider, or ex-rider.

Ferrari is a coach and advisor to Mazzelini, Sinkewitz, and Rogers.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2006/tour06/news/?id=/news/2006/jul06/jul04news

 

[tcklyde]

Sort of like all the Postal/Disco domestiques dropping the best climbers in the world. Nope, no doping there. Perfectly normal.

It must be rough to wake up one day and find the shoe is on the other foot--especially after spending years denying the obvious.

Exactly. Jose Azevedo rides brilliantly with ONCE, gets 6th in the Tour. Leaves the team for a small team in 2003 and is lousy. Joins USPS in 2004 and is right back at the top of the sport.

I suppose that when he was on ONCE he was doping, but when he was on USPS he was just eating right and using those super special Chris Carmichael training plans.

 

[DV1976]

I am back to my senses and never left them.
My senses are telling me that when a complete reversal of everyone's predictions occurs, something is up.

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Correction:
Your senses are telling you that when a complete reversal of YOUR predictions occur, something is up. And we all know how you make your predictions. BAsed entirely on who you like and who you don't. See it another way. It's not that T-Mobile excelled. Simply Disco screwed up like a lot of people predicted that they would but you wouldn't accept it...
It's suspicious when an ex-TT World champion wins a TT but is perfectly OK for Hincapie to win the hardest mountain stage of the Tour... Whatever...