Chris Phillipo said:me
Quoted message said:him
Quoted message said:
> Yes I'm quite sure that stale gas, carbon deposits, internal engine case condensation,
> coolant system corrosion and just general rust and deterioration caused by stagnant moisture
> kills a car much faster than using it.
hahahahahahahahahhaaaaaahhhh.
Unless the gasoline additives come out of solution or decompose, there's no such thing as
stale gas. Since you've decided to bring it up: how quickly does gas go "stale"? What if it's
diesel? Or LNG/propane??
Ever heard of fuel stabilizer there big fella? Do you even know what it's used for?
Gasoline additives are not limited to fuel stabilizer. If you need some help on the subject,
Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory has a nice web page you could start with:
<http://www-erd.llnl.gov/Fuelsofthefuture/generalinfo.html>.
Doing your homework for you, i find octane enhancers, volatility controllers, oxygenates, and
surfactants to be the big fuel additives besides stabilizers. Nothing i didn't know already, sorry.
Do yo know what fuel stabilizer does? Of course not. It largely refers to inhibitting olefin
catalysis, basically preventing ... gunk. The catalysis is temperature related - warmer = faster. It
can also refer to moisture control, which aggrevating factors are strongly correlated with circadian
thermal cycling, relative humidity, dewpoint and gas cap integrity.
Now, for some reason _you_ brought up "stale gas". I specifically asked you: how long does that
take. You don't know, do you??
Well, there's no specific answer, like "983 hours," but the general consensus i found to be
somewhere around 3 months, less under high ambient temperature conditions.
In the context of this discussion -- a car driven ~4/30 days, which is roughly once/week (actually
twice every other week) , and as i amplified in anther post, roughly a tank every 2~3 weeks, it's
clear that stale fuel is irrelevant to the issue. From other posters it's clear that it's irrelevant
to most cyclecommuters.
I also asked you about diesel. That was a gimme! Poorly amended diesel fuel, if contaminated with
moisture, can suffer from "sick diesel" syndrome, a condition where microbes actually grow in the
bottom of the tank. Very annoying when the bacterial mat shakes loose and gets stuck in the fuel
line or filter.
Quoted message said:Why don't you put your lawn mower away with a full tank of gas and see if it starts in the spring.
Speaking of lawn mowers, when are you fanatics going to outlaw them? They polute 5-10 times as
much per gallon than any car.
"... starts in the spring" There's that 3, well, 6 month thing... somewhat more than 2~3 weeks...
Actually, the USEPA is leaning v.v.heavily towards imposing emissions controlling technology on new
lawnmowers. I don't keep up on the issue, but i _think_ they're already doing it.
Of course, being a real man, with massive ripply quadraceps from cyclecommuting, i prefer to use the
classic human powered reel mower, both for excercise and its superior cut. The quiet tickticktick of
the blades is much more soothing than a briggs and stratton one-lunger.
Didn't you tell me you were going to killfile me yesterday? ahh ... here it is ":keep pulling
yourself to your own tune you won't be wasting any more of my time from my kill file." sheesh, that
wasn't even 24 hours!
or perhaps i should say --"You like me! You rilly rilly like meee!!!"
.max
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