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> On 16 Dec 2003 11:16:03 -0800, [email protected] (mfg) wrote:
Corruption at NIH - I'm SHOCKED! Of
> course it's really a sad commentary, if true, but what institution doesn't have some level of
> corruption?
Some level of corruption? Five researchers who were NIH principal investigators were taking hundreds
of thousands of dollars and stock options on the side from pharmas. The LA Times did a year long
covert investigation and published storied dated Dec 7, 9, 11, 13 and 15th. They also wrote an
editorial. Congress is screaming for blood.
The LA Times only profiled five corrupt researchers. One kept a trial going and suppressed from
clinical participants that one of their number had died. Protocol demanded he shut the trial down
but he did not. He covered it up. These are only examples I put here for you. The LA Times said the
corruption was throughout the NIH, and the head people were involved in cover-up.
The researchers were employees of the National Institutes of Health (NIH) where as part of their
contracts they signed away any consort with industry when they took those jobs, working as any civil
servant, for the taxpayer.
American taxpayers pay these people to develop drugs, then the pharma pays them on the side (under
the table) AND gets them to consult and write studies on these very drugs, saying they are
vunderbar. People died in the studies and it was hushed up. The researcher involved then went on
speaking junkets lauding the drug. Hardly non-biased. The pharmas then go on to make billions on
these drugs which you have paid to develop and they are put on the market with the negative and very
serious side effects suppressed. Detail men certainly don't talk about it. They did not on statins.
>
> Hey, I'm not arguing that statins don't have side-effects. ALL medications have side-effects of
> one sort of another, from mild to severe. I'm just not as anti-statin as you seem to be.
All medications have side-effects: but if you don't know, it can hardly be called informed consent
when you take a drug, right? Yes, we know aspirin will set your ears ringing if you take too much,
but did you know that if you took pravachol you stood a good chance of retinal blindness and ocular
myasthenia? Did you know you could experience transient global amnesia (www.spacedoc.net),
mitochondrial myopathy (www.impostertrial.com)? Lay your money down....because I need a new cane and
I'm willing to bet you do not know what pravastatin might cause you. You are playing Russian
roulette. There are other, safer ways to lower cholesterol, if you think that is a reasonable thing
to do. I don't and my cholesterol is 560. Therapeutics Initiative in their study number 48 say there
is no clinical evidence for taking statins for prevention. In their study number 49 they say there
is some evidence for taking them if you have had serious cardiovascular disease. But even then they
qualify it. Read it please. http://www.ti.ubc.ca/pages/letter48.htm. But I wonder, why is it ok for
someone who is already suffering so terribly to risk more suffering from which he or she may never
recover, since it is also known statins CAUSE cardiomyopathy?
http://www.redflagsweekly.com/features/2002_july08.html
You say that you have had little side effect: Will it go away or will you, like me after taking a
drug you expected to help you, remain with a deficit? Did you look at the histopathology page of
www.impostertrial.com? Six months after taking statins, damage remaining. Six YEARS after stopping
statins, damage remaining.
I have truly not heard from people who did not have side effects eventually, and they are lingering,
to a greater or lesser degree. They certainly are in me. You do not respect the studies I have
posted here, and you do not respect my personal experience. What does it take?
I exaggerate nothing I have said here, and I am legion (700,000 at a conservative estimate). I am
very glad you did not have a problem, but please do not pretend that what you posted (the url
please, from Dr. Phillips website) was an impartial article. Here are the connections for the
American 'consultants' who were paid hundreds of thousands to write that pimped article.
Do you seriously believe people who are on pharma payroll would risk their careers to dare speak
against the drug the pharma produces?
***************
"...the Canadian authorities have bought the new American {guidelines}uncritically. Here is a
summary of the way these guidelines were created:
1. A small group of private individuals come together and call themselves the "Expert Panel."
2. These people recieve large sums of money from pharmeceutical companies to give talks, do
research, etc.
3. The Expert Panel rewrites the guidelines and issue them with the apparent endorsement of the
federal government.
4. Thirty million more Americans now need to be on cholesterol-lowering drugs.
5. Insurance companies, Medicare, etc. pay the pharmeceutical companies billions of dollars a year
for those drugs.
Here is the list of commitments for the members of the expert panel: Financial Disclosure: Dr Grundy
has received honoraria from Merck, Pfizer, Sankyo, Bayer, and Bristol-Myers Squibb. Dr Hunninghake
has current grants from Merck, Pfizer, Kos Pharmaceuticals, Schering Plough, Wyeth Ayerst, Sankyo,
Bayer, AstraZeneca, Bristol-Myers Squibb, and G. D. Searle; he has also received consulting
honoraria from Merck, Pfizer, Kos Pharmaceuticals, Sankyo, AstraZeneca, and Bayer. Dr McBride has
received grants and/or research support from Pfizer, Merck, Parke-Davis, and AstraZeneca; has served
as a consultant for Kos Pharmaceuticals, Abbott, and Merck; and has received honoraria from Abbott,
Bristol-Myers Squibb, Novartis, Merck, Kos Pharmaceuticals, Parke-Davis, Pfizer, and DuPont. Dr
Pasternak has served as a consultant for and received honoraria from Merck, Pfizer, and Kos
Pharmaceuticals, and has received grants from Merck and Pfizer. Dr Stone has served as a consultant
and/or received honoraria for lectures from Abbott, Bayer, Bristol-Myers Squibb, Kos
Pharmaceuticals, Merck, Novartis, Parke-Davis/Pfizer, and Sankyo. Dr Schwartz has served as a
consultant for and/or conducted research funded by Bristol-Myers Squibb, AstraZeneca, Merck, Johnson
& Johnson-Merck, and Pfizer.
Read also my comments to the American guidelines on http://www.ravnskov.nu/ncep_guidelines.htm
Uffe Ravnskov, MD, PhD Spokesman for THINCS, The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics
http://www.thincs.org www.ravnskov.nu/uffe
> On 16 Dec 2003 11:16:03 -0800, [email protected] (mfg) wrote:
Corruption at NIH - I'm SHOCKED! Of
> course it's really a sad commentary, if true, but what institution doesn't have some level of
> corruption?
Some level of corruption? Five researchers who were NIH principal investigators were taking hundreds
of thousands of dollars and stock options on the side from pharmas. The LA Times did a year long
covert investigation and published storied dated Dec 7, 9, 11, 13 and 15th. They also wrote an
editorial. Congress is screaming for blood.
The LA Times only profiled five corrupt researchers. One kept a trial going and suppressed from
clinical participants that one of their number had died. Protocol demanded he shut the trial down
but he did not. He covered it up. These are only examples I put here for you. The LA Times said the
corruption was throughout the NIH, and the head people were involved in cover-up.
The researchers were employees of the National Institutes of Health (NIH) where as part of their
contracts they signed away any consort with industry when they took those jobs, working as any civil
servant, for the taxpayer.
American taxpayers pay these people to develop drugs, then the pharma pays them on the side (under
the table) AND gets them to consult and write studies on these very drugs, saying they are
vunderbar. People died in the studies and it was hushed up. The researcher involved then went on
speaking junkets lauding the drug. Hardly non-biased. The pharmas then go on to make billions on
these drugs which you have paid to develop and they are put on the market with the negative and very
serious side effects suppressed. Detail men certainly don't talk about it. They did not on statins.
>
> Hey, I'm not arguing that statins don't have side-effects. ALL medications have side-effects of
> one sort of another, from mild to severe. I'm just not as anti-statin as you seem to be.
All medications have side-effects: but if you don't know, it can hardly be called informed consent
when you take a drug, right? Yes, we know aspirin will set your ears ringing if you take too much,
but did you know that if you took pravachol you stood a good chance of retinal blindness and ocular
myasthenia? Did you know you could experience transient global amnesia (www.spacedoc.net),
mitochondrial myopathy (www.impostertrial.com)? Lay your money down....because I need a new cane and
I'm willing to bet you do not know what pravastatin might cause you. You are playing Russian
roulette. There are other, safer ways to lower cholesterol, if you think that is a reasonable thing
to do. I don't and my cholesterol is 560. Therapeutics Initiative in their study number 48 say there
is no clinical evidence for taking statins for prevention. In their study number 49 they say there
is some evidence for taking them if you have had serious cardiovascular disease. But even then they
qualify it. Read it please. http://www.ti.ubc.ca/pages/letter48.htm. But I wonder, why is it ok for
someone who is already suffering so terribly to risk more suffering from which he or she may never
recover, since it is also known statins CAUSE cardiomyopathy?
http://www.redflagsweekly.com/features/2002_july08.html
You say that you have had little side effect: Will it go away or will you, like me after taking a
drug you expected to help you, remain with a deficit? Did you look at the histopathology page of
www.impostertrial.com? Six months after taking statins, damage remaining. Six YEARS after stopping
statins, damage remaining.
I have truly not heard from people who did not have side effects eventually, and they are lingering,
to a greater or lesser degree. They certainly are in me. You do not respect the studies I have
posted here, and you do not respect my personal experience. What does it take?
I exaggerate nothing I have said here, and I am legion (700,000 at a conservative estimate). I am
very glad you did not have a problem, but please do not pretend that what you posted (the url
please, from Dr. Phillips website) was an impartial article. Here are the connections for the
American 'consultants' who were paid hundreds of thousands to write that pimped article.
Do you seriously believe people who are on pharma payroll would risk their careers to dare speak
against the drug the pharma produces?
***************
"...the Canadian authorities have bought the new American {guidelines}uncritically. Here is a
summary of the way these guidelines were created:
1. A small group of private individuals come together and call themselves the "Expert Panel."
2. These people recieve large sums of money from pharmeceutical companies to give talks, do
research, etc.
3. The Expert Panel rewrites the guidelines and issue them with the apparent endorsement of the
federal government.
4. Thirty million more Americans now need to be on cholesterol-lowering drugs.
5. Insurance companies, Medicare, etc. pay the pharmeceutical companies billions of dollars a year
for those drugs.
Here is the list of commitments for the members of the expert panel: Financial Disclosure: Dr Grundy
has received honoraria from Merck, Pfizer, Sankyo, Bayer, and Bristol-Myers Squibb. Dr Hunninghake
has current grants from Merck, Pfizer, Kos Pharmaceuticals, Schering Plough, Wyeth Ayerst, Sankyo,
Bayer, AstraZeneca, Bristol-Myers Squibb, and G. D. Searle; he has also received consulting
honoraria from Merck, Pfizer, Kos Pharmaceuticals, Sankyo, AstraZeneca, and Bayer. Dr McBride has
received grants and/or research support from Pfizer, Merck, Parke-Davis, and AstraZeneca; has served
as a consultant for Kos Pharmaceuticals, Abbott, and Merck; and has received honoraria from Abbott,
Bristol-Myers Squibb, Novartis, Merck, Kos Pharmaceuticals, Parke-Davis, Pfizer, and DuPont. Dr
Pasternak has served as a consultant for and received honoraria from Merck, Pfizer, and Kos
Pharmaceuticals, and has received grants from Merck and Pfizer. Dr Stone has served as a consultant
and/or received honoraria for lectures from Abbott, Bayer, Bristol-Myers Squibb, Kos
Pharmaceuticals, Merck, Novartis, Parke-Davis/Pfizer, and Sankyo. Dr Schwartz has served as a
consultant for and/or conducted research funded by Bristol-Myers Squibb, AstraZeneca, Merck, Johnson
& Johnson-Merck, and Pfizer.
Read also my comments to the American guidelines on http://www.ravnskov.nu/ncep_guidelines.htm
Uffe Ravnskov, MD, PhD Spokesman for THINCS, The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics
http://www.thincs.org www.ravnskov.nu/uffe