Nissan 4x4 advert

[Clive George]

"Matt B" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> What about the gas guzzling Lamborghini Diablo, Bentley Arnage or Aston
> Martin DB9 - SUVs?

What about them? They exist in sufficiently small numbers that they can be
ignored.

clive

 

[Matt B]

"Clive George" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Matt B" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
>> What about the gas guzzling Lamborghini Diablo, Bentley Arnage or Aston
>> Martin DB9 - SUVs?
>
> What about them? They exist in sufficiently small numbers that they can be
> ignored.

BMW Ms or 5xx, 6xx, and 7xx? Merc AMGs? Chrysler Voyagers? Renault
Espaces?

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[Peter Clinch]

Matt B wrote:

> Who would consider the Skoda Superb or the Audi TT Roadster as amongst the
> most unsafe vehicles on our roads, in terms of the Euro NCAP pedestrian
> safety ratings, when we constantly hear that 4x4s are the pedestrians worst
> enemy?

As I've already pointed out, typical usage of "4x4" by Mr. and Mrs. J
Public and their 2.2 adorably average children does not include a TT
Roadster, so the point is moot.

> What about the gas guzzling Lamborghini Diablo, Bentley Arnage or Aston
> Martin DB9 - SUVs?

In terms of statistics, what about them? You could probably lose every
one sold in the country last year in the queue for the Tay Bridge this
evening, and that's not a very big queue.

Pete.
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[Peter Clinch]

Matt B wrote:

> BMW Ms or 5xx, 6xx, and 7xx?

How much worse is their economy than an X5? And how common are they
compared to relatievly downmarket 4x4s?

> Chrysler Voyagers? Renault Espaces?

MPVs arry more people and stuff, so dividing through the economy by the
occupancy rate makes them at least potentially considerably better. And
if you don't divide through by the occupancy then what about buses?

Pete.
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[Matt B]

"Peter Clinch" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Matt B wrote:
>
>> Who would consider the Skoda Superb or the Audi TT Roadster as amongst
>> the most unsafe vehicles on our roads, in terms of the Euro NCAP
>> pedestrian safety ratings, when we constantly hear that 4x4s are the
>> pedestrians worst enemy?
>
> As I've already pointed out, typical usage of "4x4" by Mr. and Mrs. J
> Public and their 2.2 adorably average children does not include a TT
> Roadster, so the point is moot.

Given that only 3.5% of private cars in London are "4x4" they are hardly
significant either, are they.

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Matt B

 

[Nobody Here]

On 1 Nov 2005 06:34:25 -0800, David Martin wrote:
>
> Matt B wrote:
>> "John Hearns" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> > Come on now Matt.
>> > Reduce the number of driven wheels to the minimum.
>> > Reduce bodywork to the minimum. Reduce seats to the minimum.
>> > Reduce type width to the minimum.
>> >
>> > Now we can have a PROPER discussion of the relative merits of vehicles,
>> > ie. should we take to the Dark Side or not.
>>
>> http://www.arielmotor.co.uk/04/frames.htm ?
>
> That was what I first thought of when that was suggested.. Looks a lot
> of fun but nowhere to put the shopping[1].

I saw one of those the other day, coming out of North Rigton near
Harrogate. Looked a bit of a larf! Well, it made me laugh, anyway!

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Nobby

 

[Matt B]

"Peter Clinch" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Matt B wrote:
>
>> BMW Ms or 5xx, 6xx, and 7xx?
>
> How much worse is their economy than an X5? And how common are they
> compared to relatievly downmarket 4x4s?

As I said in another post only 3.5% of private cars in London are "4x4".
New 4x4s are significantly more fuel efficient than their
agricultural/American predicessors. The Volvo XC90 D5 produces less CO2
than their 2.4l V50 estate. The Lexus RX400, at 192g/km is better than many
family saloons.

>> Chrysler Voyagers? Renault Espaces?
>
> MPVs arry more people and stuff, so dividing through the economy by the
> occupancy rate makes them at least potentially considerably better. And
> if you don't divide through by the occupancy then what about buses?

I think you'll find most full size "4x4s" seat at least seven, and can out
carry most MPVs, so the point is lost.

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Matt B

 

[Clive George]

"Matt B" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> New 4x4s are significantly more fuel efficient than their
> agricultural/American predicessors. The Volvo XC90 D5 produces less CO2
> than their 2.4l V50 estate.

Hey, let's look at those appples and oranges. How much C02 does the most
economical V50 produce? (seems a fair comparison, seeing as how you've
chosen the most economical XC90).
Or shall we work at the other end - the least economical XC90 since you've
chosen the least economical V50?

clive

 

[Matt B]

"Clive George" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Matt B" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>> New 4x4s are significantly more fuel efficient than their
>> agricultural/American predicessors. The Volvo XC90 D5 produces less CO2
>> than their 2.4l V50 estate.
>
> Hey, let's look at those appples and oranges. How much C02 does the most
> economical V50 produce? (seems a fair comparison, seeing as how you've
> chosen the most economical XC90).
> Or shall we work at the other end - the least economical XC90 since you've
> chosen the least economical V50?

Perhaps it's the most popular V50 against the most popular XC90? Perhaps it
demonstrates that not all 4x4s are bad, and not all family estates are good?

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Matt B

 

[Zog The Undeniable]

Dave Larrington wrote:
> John Hearns <[email protected]> wrote:

>>Gulp! I hate to think what zero stars means. Maybe it is fronted with
>>large rotating blades or something.
>
>
> Almost as curious is that while the Superb gets nul points for pedestrian
> safety, the old VW Passat gets two.

It usually means the bonnet is at the right height to smash knees or the
engine is just under the bonnet, presenting a very hard sufrace should
you bounce off it.

But face it, if a car hits a pedestrian all bets are off anyway.

 

[Wally]

Peter Clinch wrote:

>> Bloody noise boxes piloted by water hogs who unzpped their heads and
>> left their brain cells at the dock.

> It looks about as much fun as getting on a dirt (motor) bike and
> riding around in circles in a flat field again and again and again
> while there's a heavy rainstorm going on. I could probably have fun
> doing that once or twice, but as a regular thing?

Yup. Beats me. I once saw a pair of them, running rings round a big ferry,
seeing how close they could cut in to the bow and stern as the ferry made
its way down the channel. Arseholes in the extreme - if one had fallen off
as he rounded the bow, he was a sure bet for the big mincer at the back. Oh.
What a thrill.


> Hey ho, guess their
> riders[1] are similarly baffled by sea kayakers...

Ah, sea kayakers - cyclists with paddles instead of pedals, right? I think
I'd prefer to hoist a sail...


> [1] <bigot> is the term "****** on a jetski" a tautology? </bigot>;-)

;-)



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[DavidR]

"Tony Raven" <[email protected]> wrote
>
> Its to do with the shape. The flatter taller front when hit by a 4x4
> means peds tend to be pushed along with their body folding at the waist
> and the upper body & head hitting the bonnet which tends to have lots of
> give and space under it. Cars tend to knock the legs out from under
> people who then cartwheel with the head only impacting the windscreen,
> that is still approaching at speed, next and then over the top onto the
> road behind. Obviously this can create much worse head injury and
> particularly neck injury.

It must depend on which direction the ped is facing. How well do people
fold at the waist if hit from behind?

 

[Adrian Godwin]

DavidR <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> It must depend on which direction the ped is facing. How well do people
> fold at the waist if hit from behind?
>

They fold just as well when hit with a car.

It's the unfolding that gets tricky.

-adrian

 

[Peter Clinch]

Matt B wrote:

> Given that only 3.5% of private cars in London are "4x4" they are hardly
> significant either, are they.

3.5% not significant? How many private cars are there in London? And
what's 3.5% of that?

Pete.
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[Peter Clinch]

Matt B wrote:

> Given that only 3.5% of private cars in London are "4x4" they are hardly
> significant either, are they.

3.5% not significant? How many private cars are there in London? And
what's 3.5% of that?

Pete.
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[Peter Clinch]

Matt B wrote:

> I think you'll find most full size "4x4s" seat at least seven, and can out
> carry most MPVs, so the point is lost.

Doing some market research as a part time job one of the surveys my dad
did was satisfaction with 4 x 4s, and one of the most common ****les was
that once you'd taken up the seats there wasn't anywhere to put anything.

Beyond that, odd that you've very selectively chosen the biggest 4 x 4s,
which are not necessarily the most common, so the point appears to have
been deliberately lost by you, but found elsewhere.

Pete.
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[Peter Clinch]

Matt B wrote:

> I think you'll find most full size "4x4s" seat at least seven, and can out
> carry most MPVs, so the point is lost.

Doing some market research as a part time job one of the surveys my dad
did was satisfaction with 4 x 4s, and one of the most common ****les was
that once you'd taken up the seats there wasn't anywhere to put anything.

Beyond that, odd that you've very selectively chosen the biggest 4 x 4s,
which are not necessarily the most common, so the point appears to have
been deliberately lost by you, but found elsewhere.

Pete.
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[Peter Clinch]

Matt B wrote:

> Perhaps it's the most popular V50 against the most popular XC90?

Perhaps? Perhaps not?

> demonstrates that not all 4x4s are bad, and not all family estates are good?

Who is saying all family estates are?

More simply, all else being equal a SUV/4x4 will be heavier and less
aerodynamic than its "normal" counterpart, so will have worse fuel
economy for no particular gain.

Pete.
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[Peter Clinch]

Matt B wrote:

> Perhaps it's the most popular V50 against the most popular XC90?

Perhaps? Perhaps not?

> demonstrates that not all 4x4s are bad, and not all family estates are good?

Who is saying all family estates are?

More simply, all else being equal a SUV/4x4 will be heavier and less
aerodynamic than its "normal" counterpart, so will have worse fuel
economy for no particular gain.

Pete.
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[Peter Clinch]

Wally wrote:

> Ah, sea kayakers - cyclists with paddles instead of pedals, right? I think
> I'd prefer to hoist a sail...

I used to sail a fair bit and do enjoy it, but it's a bit lame when the
wind isn't there and isn't a very good way to get in close to rocky
shores...

For a day on the Tay with a 3 to 4 blowing I'd be happier in a Wayfarer
than my kayak though.

Pete.
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