Number plates for bike rack

[Bleve]

Terry Collins wrote:
> Bleve wrote:
>
> > So now you know the law in NSW. Feel free to use the search engine of
> > your choice to find the road act section - it shouldn't take long.
>
> lol, famous last words.
>
> Sadly, I'd rather be riding my bicycle that wasting time on google or
> any other search engine trying to work out how to phrase a request to
> have it pop up the desired information.
>
> P.S. did you note the acual offences listed.

Ok, peanut, here you go :

http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/rulesregulations/downloads/1205_demerits_general.pdf

Sec CI 85(I)(B) Use vehicle with unauthorised number plate

$300, 3 demerit points.

Anything else? Maybe wipe your bottom for you?

 

[Theo Bekkers]

Bleve wrote:
> Terry Collins wrote:

>> P.S. did you note the acual offences listed.

> Ok, peanut, here you go :

> Anything else? Maybe wipe your bottom for you?

This has been an interesting discussion. I admire your patience at least as
much as I admire Terry's ability to believe that if he shuts his eyes really
tight he won't see the light.

Theo

 

[Bleve]

Theo Bekkers wrote:
> Bleve wrote:
> > Terry Collins wrote:
>
> >> P.S. did you note the acual offences listed.
>
> > Ok, peanut, here you go :
>
> > Anything else? Maybe wipe your bottom for you?
>
> This has been an interesting discussion. I admire your patience at least as
> much as I admire Terry's ability to believe that if he shuts his eyes really
> tight he won't see the light.

heh!

The funny thing is, most of the time you can get away with home made
number plates for such a thing, most police will only do you for it if
you're doing something else wrong (or just being a prat) and they can
nick you for that as well.

 

[TimC]

On 2006-01-16, Bleve (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
> Section 6, item 1 is "must be : issued by the RTA".
>
> Here it is in total.
>
> NUMBER PLATES
> Number plates on the vehicle you drive or own
> must be:
> Issued by the RTA.
> Able to be seen and read clearly from anywhere
> within a 45 degree arc of the vehicle's centreline,
> at a distance of at least 20 metres (see diagrams
> on the right).That means they cannot be hidden
> by anything (such as a tow bar or anything being
> carried). If you carry bicycles on a bike rack which
> hides the rear number plate on your car in any
> way, you must either move the rear number plate
> to a position where it can be clearly seen or buy
> a special bike rack number plate to attach to the
> bike rack. A bike rack number plate has the same
> number as your car's number plates, and can be
> ordered from motor registries or by calling
> 13 22 13.

"or buy a special bike rack number plate to attach to the bike rack."
"And can be ordered".

Logically, that does not say anything about they must be obtained from
RTA (note, the first point about "Issued by the RTA" could be read
only to apply to the main number plate on the car). What Terry wants
is of course the legislation that explicitly states "the number plate,
and any substitute when the main plate is obstructed, /must/ be issued
by RTA".

Of course, the reason why it would need to be issued by RTA is because
of standards -- such as the flourescence of the plates, etc.

Of course, I am being thouroughly pedantic here, which is odd given
that I don't really give a **** -- it's not like I will be driving
cars around anytime soon (hrm, except perhaps to relocate to
Narrabri[1])

[1] Interesting development, still a long way to be finalised. News
at 11:00.

--
TimC
There's only one way to better your memory. Everytime you forget
something, poke your brain with a stick. That'll teach it. -- Ash

 

[Terry Collins]

Bleve wrote:

> The funny thing is, most of the time you can get away with home made
> number plates for such a thing, most police will only do you for it if
> you're doing something else wrong (or just being a prat) and they can
> nick you for that as well.

Exactly. {

 

[Terry Collins]

Theo Bekkers wrote:

> This has been an interesting discussion. I admire your patience at least as
> much as I admire Terry's ability to believe that if he shuts his eyes really
> tight he won't see the light.

Nope, it about fundamental aspects of law.
AFAIKI, basically is that the government stands on shaky grounds when
they prohibit you from making something and demand that you buy it from
them.

Secondly, it is also about personal responsibility. If you are required
to make sure your number plate is clearly visible in return for being on
public roads, then you should accept that responsibility and make sure
you provide a clearly visible "number plate".

Thirdly, I resent bitterly being deskilled by not being able to make my
own and use it.

 

[Bleve]

Terry Collins wrote:
> Theo Bekkers wrote:
>
> > This has been an interesting discussion. I admire your patience at least as
> > much as I admire Terry's ability to believe that if he shuts his eyes really
> > tight he won't see the light.
>
> Nope, it about fundamental aspects of law.
> AFAIKI, basically is that the government stands on shaky grounds when
> they prohibit you from making something and demand that you buy it from
> them.

When was the last time you made your own passport?

 

[Terry Collins]

Bleve wrote:

> When was the last time you made your own passport?

Do you seriously expect me to answer that?

Oh well. Okay, last time I had a contract there {

Seriously what does being a holder of one of Phillip Ruddock's indentity
cards[1] have to do with transporting bicycles around NSW with a motor
vehicle?

BTW, doesn't 2./3 mean I've won?



[1] In case you missed that wonderful quote Phillip Rudduck can not see
what the fuss is about identity cards as everyone already has a
passport. Right, either someone can not count, or passport fraud is
rampant -).

 

[Terry Collins]

TimC wrote:

> Logically, that does not say anything about they must be obtained from
> RTA (note, the first point about "Issued by the RTA" could be read
> only to apply to the main number plate on the car). What Terry wants
> is of course the legislation that explicitly states "the number plate,
> and any substitute when the main plate is obstructed, /must/ be issued
> by RTA".

Bingo.
It wasn't in the Austllc search engine either.

When we got married, we started having endless arguments with other
peeps because my wife kept her own name. "but you can't be married",
etc, etc, etc. It is only a social custom folks. You are not legally
required to change our name when you get married [1].
>
> Of course, the reason why it would need to be issued by RTA is because
> of standards -- such as the flourescence of the plates, etc.

Only so you can be photographed by speed cameras, etc. Stand by for the
announcement that those Truck Safety Cams are now going to monitor the
general public for speeding. The new cameras make it possible
(Electronic Trade mag).

I have a friend who has been seekng IR filter glass here for years.
Lately he has heard you cen get the same effect from IR glad wrap.
Unfortunately neither is available in this country.


> Of course, I am being thouroughly pedantic here, which is odd given
> that I don't really give a **** -- it's not like I will be driving
> cars around anytime soon (hrm, except perhaps to relocate to
> Narrabri[1])
>
> [1] Interesting development, still a long way to be finalised. News
> at 11:00.

You are going to star in "The Dish II" ?


[1] It was the final straw for one bank when SWMBO wrote and complained
about the bank manager's behaviour and comments during our interview for
a home loan. We noted he was soon selling used cars {.

Oh, the good old days when St George was a bulding society and happy to
give home loans (yep rejected at the bank, we walked around the corner
and enquired there and bingo, we got it).

 

[Bleve]

Terry Collins wrote:
> Bleve wrote:
>
> > When was the last time you made your own passport?
>
> Do you seriously expect me to answer that?

You wrote this :

> AFAIKI, basically is that the government stands on shaky grounds when
> they prohibit you from making something and demand that you buy it from
> them.


> Seriously what does being a holder of one of Phillip Ruddock's indentity
> cards[1] have to do with transporting bicycles around NSW with a motor
> vehicle?

They're both types of government-mandated identification for specific
purposes, which making your own and using same is illegal. you can
wiggle around as much as you like, the fact is, in NSW, it is illegal
to use a number plate that is not issued by the NSW RTA. There is a
fine and a loss of demerit points for using it.

The fact that you can get away with it most of the time does not make
it legal. The other fact is that such information is trivially easy to
find these days. I found all that in under 10 minutes of looking for
some pretty obvious search terms in a search engine.

Peanuts are en-route. Enjoy.

 

[Theo Bekkers]

Terry Collins wrote:

> Nope, it about fundamental aspects of law.
> AFAIKI, basically is that the government stands on shaky grounds when
> they prohibit you from making something and demand that you buy it
> from them.

ASAIK only the Gov't can make number plates in WA.

Theo

 

[HughMann]

Terry Collins wrote:

> Nope, it about fundamental aspects of law.
> AFAIKI, basically is that the government stands on shaky grounds when
> they prohibit you from making something and demand that you buy it
> from them.

ASAIK only the Gov't can make number plates in WA.

Theo

Plates in WA were made by Osbourne Park Industries also known by some as Fremantle Prison. Used them occasionally ( Govt contract ) for dull boring repetition work.

Hugh

 

[Filmore1]

I had a home made one that I made on the computer and laminated it on cardboard.
It was in the correct font & colour. I made it before picking up my new bike and bike rack.
I got no more than a hundred metres from the bike shop & the cops pulled me over. I was fined $100.
I see other crappy home made ones all the time. I do not know how people get away with it?
A grumpy copper can fine you up to $480 for not having a visible (Official) number plate.