NYNY update - Joyce

I can't keep some snacks in the house either. I do pretty good staying out of icecream, but any
baked goods are deadly, as well as any chocolate. I even have a hard time w/ things like the cookie
dough slim fast bars. I just don't buy them b/c I can't do it.

Amber

Prairie Roots said:

Yeah, I know about Flexpoints. And believe me, I use 'em. But I'd rather use activity points than
Flexpoints.

Honestly, the main reason I avoid having things like this in the house is that after the 1st day
or two of being good and eating just one per day, something flips and I have a hard time
controlling the urge to eat them all at once. I've decided I'm just no longer interested in
beating myself up or wondering what's wrong with me when I'm not able to practice restraint... I
take the easy way out and just don't allow them in the house.

Nightly napping to avoid the evening snack, eh? From what you've said in other posts about
competing for time on your new computer, I'd say those naps serve a dual purpose. LOL

Prairie Roots

Joyce said:

Flexpoints dear - that's what they're there for! <G> I think I figured these out at 2.5 (or 2)
points each. 130cal/2g fat/2g fiber = 2.37US points. I also was out of the skinny cow habit, maybe
got a bit tired of them. BUT ... the peppermint ones looked soooooooooooo good ... I am once again
hooked. I have found that nightly napping has helped to squelch the urge - sleep right through the
snacking time. Although it means I am pounding away on my puter at 4AM. <G>

Has any of this helped? LOL

Joyce

Prairie Roots said:

Oh no!! When you share Trader Joe's discoveries, I read and move on to the next message, thankful
Trader Joe's isn't located anywhere near me.

But pink peppermint Skinny Cows??!! I'd gotten myself out of the Skinny Cow habit, but now
I'll have to find a way to cut out some other points to give these a try. Or snowblow the
entire alley!

Prairie Roots
232/173.6/WW goal 145 joined WW Online 22-Feb-2003

On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 10:55:45 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:

>Yup, pretty deep pink peppermint. I didn't care for the green mint variety, tasted a bit soapy
>to me. But the pink *Cool Peppermint* flavor is wonderful! I hope these aren't just a seasonal
>issue.
>
>Joyce
>
>On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 16:36:36 -0800, Fred <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>
>>Peppermint as opposed to the green mint variety? I have to find those
>>(G)
>>
>>On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 12:12:32 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>LOL! I think the meringues have more of a grab on me these days. I haven't had many skinny
>>>cows, seem to have moved out of that habit. BUT ... my local store had *cool peppermint*
>>>flavor last week. I haven't seen that before so had to pick a package up. BIG mistake ... they
>>>now keep calling my name. <g>
>>>
>>>Joyce
>>>
>>>
>>>On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 10:53:09 -0800, Fred <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>You mean other than skinny cows and Miss Meringues (G)
>>>>
>>>>On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 10:38:38 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Thanks Fred! It's nice to have a firm grasp on *something*. <g>
>>>>>
>>>>>Joyce
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 18:06:53 -0800, Fred <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Great loss. Congrats on being firmly a part of the Maintenance losing group!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 18:06:18 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I'm in the groove with the rest of the NYNY maintenance group ... down 1 pound this week
>>>>>>>... 130. Once again the actual weighin Friday morning was lower, and much as I would love
>>>>>>>to post anything in that 120 decade ... I'm averaging, and average tells me 130. I'm
>>>>>>>happy, happy, happy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Evidentally eating more does help, as long as *more* is within reason. A few weeks prior I
>>>>>>>think I was existing on next to nothing, watching things just a bit too carefully as well
>>>>>>>as falling back into the trap of not drinking enough water. Then again, maybe the loss was
>>>>>>>extra muscle water retention? This week I only managed to squeeze in 2 days of exercise.
>>>>>>>My own fault, no excuses. I had one or two busy days, then found myself fallen into some
>>>>>>>sort of a funk - just couldn't drag myself to do much of anything other than whine about
>>>>>>>everything. Today I took a step into the right direction. Instead of just sitting here, I
>>>>>>>hauled my butt to the basement and walked for 45 minutes - right back into the old
>>>>>>>routine. If only I could remind myself how much of a mood lifter the exercise is! I have
>>>>>>>felt great the rest of today.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Joyce WW starting weight: 228.8 - 2/5/02 current weight: 130 Lifetime: 4/4/03
>>>>>

I may have misspoke. I just checked locations on www.missmeringue.com and saw several stores listed.
The next time I'm grocery shopping I'll have to check again. Curious. For several months, I couldn't
find a box of Miss Meringues to save my life. Although considering how hard it is for me to stop at
1/2 or a full serving, maybe I'm better off thinking they're not available.

Prairie Roots said:

I can't Miss Meringues here anymore either. I don't know what happened; when I first started WW, I
was able to buy them. But sometime during the summer, another brand moved to town and I can't find
Miss M's anywhere. The replacement brand is not nearly as good.

Prairie Roots
232/173.6/WW goal 145 joined WW Online 22-Feb-2003

Interesting - I heard that TJ's locates where there are already markets that specialize in natural
foods - they prefer the competition since their prices tend to be so low.

Miss Meringues seem to be dropping off here, too. The nearby grocery that carried them now has much
less inventory or none sometimes. And Bed, Bath carries many of the larger size which I don't like
as much and they do not seem to carry the very chocolate (G)

Skinny Cows seem to carry a flavor allegance - only some flavors at some stores. I finally noticed
the strawberry ones but that flavor does not really interest me. (G) Now that does not mean I might
not succumb.....

How's the snow?

Prairie Roots said:

I'm in Mpls, but no matter. Trader Joe's isn't in Minnesota at all. According to the Trader Joe's
Web site, these are the only states with stores: Arizona, California, Connecticut, Delaware,
Illinois, Indiana, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York,
Ohio, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Virginia, Washington.

So I'm spared.

I can't Miss Meringues here anymore either. I don't know what happened; when I first started WW, I
was able to buy them. But sometime during the summer, another brand moved to town and I can't find
Miss M's anywhere. The replacement brand is not nearly as good.

Again, I'm saved.

Skinny Cows, though, are another matter. Every grocery store carries at least one of the flavors.

Fred said:

Snow blow the City and have a blast (G)

No Trader Joes in Minn/StPaul areas? Or do I have you mislocated? More rural?

Prairie Roots said:

Oh no!! When you share Trader Joe's discoveries, I read and move on to the next message, thankful
Trader Joe's isn't located anywhere near me.

But pink peppermint Skinny Cows??!! I'd gotten myself out of the Skinny Cow habit, but now
I'll have to find a way to cut out some other points to give these a try. Or snowblow the
entire alley!

Prairie Roots
232/173.6/WW goal 145 joined WW Online 22-Feb-2003

On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 10:55:45 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:

>Yup, pretty deep pink peppermint. I didn't care for the green mint variety, tasted a bit soapy
>to me. But the pink *Cool Peppermint* flavor is wonderful! I hope these aren't just a seasonal
>issue.
>
>Joyce
>
>On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 16:36:36 -0800, Fred <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>>Peppermint as opposed to the green mint variety? I have to find those
>>(G)
>>
>>On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 12:12:32 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>
>>>LOL! I think the meringues have more of a grab on me these days. I haven't had many skinny
>>>cows, seem to have moved out of that habit. BUT ... my local store had *cool peppermint*
>>>flavor last week. I haven't seen that before so had to pick a package up. BIG mistake ... they
>>>now keep calling my name. <g>
>>>
>>>Joyce
>>>
>>>
>>>On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 10:53:09 -0800, Fred <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>You mean other than skinny cows and Miss Meringues (G)
>>>>
>>>>On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 10:38:38 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Thanks Fred! It's nice to have a firm grasp on *something*. <g>
>>>>>
>>>>>Joyce
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 18:06:53 -0800, Fred <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Great loss. Congrats on being firmly a part of the Maintenance losing group!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 18:06:18 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I'm in the groove with the rest of the NYNY maintenance group ... down 1 pound this week
>>>>>>>... 130. Once again the actual weighin Friday morning was lower, and much as I would love
>>>>>>>to post anything in that 120 decade ... I'm averaging, and average tells me 130. I'm
>>>>>>>happy, happy, happy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Evidentally eating more does help, as long as *more* is within reason. A few weeks prior I
>>>>>>>think I was existing on next to nothing, watching things just a bit too carefully as well
>>>>>>>as falling back into the trap of not drinking enough water. Then again, maybe the loss was
>>>>>>>extra muscle water retention? This week I only managed to squeeze in 2 days of exercise.
>>>>>>>My own fault, no excuses. I had one or two busy days, then found myself fallen into some
>>>>>>>sort of a funk - just couldn't drag myself to do much of anything other than whine about
>>>>>>>everything. Today I took a step into the right direction. Instead of just sitting here, I
>>>>>>>hauled my butt to the basement and walked for 45 minutes - right back into the old
>>>>>>>routine. If only I could remind myself how much of a mood lifter the exercise is! I have
>>>>>>>felt great the rest of today.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Joyce WW starting weight: 228.8 - 2/5/02 current weight: 130 Lifetime: 4/4/03

Prairie Roots
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You know - even if you blow it, I think the whole tub is still less than an ordinary piece of
chocolate cake not that I am sanctioning such loss of control (G)

And I forgot - yes, I've had a few off-brands and they are not as smooth or good altho, TJ's are
fine but they do not have the mini's I want.

Prairie Roots said:

I may have misspoke. I just checked locations on www.missmeringue.com and saw several stores
listed. The next time I'm grocery shopping I'll have to check again. Curious. For several months, I
couldn't find a box of Miss Meringues to save my life. Although considering how hard it is for me
to stop at 1/2 or a full serving, maybe I'm better off thinking they're not available.

Prairie Roots said:

I can't Miss Meringues here anymore either. I don't know what happened; when I first started WW, I
was able to buy them. But sometime during the summer, another brand moved to town and I can't find
Miss M's anywhere. The replacement brand is not nearly as good.

Prairie Roots
232/173.6/WW goal 145 joined WW Online 22-Feb-2003

You're right, of course. I confess that on one or two occasions, I've had to figure out the points
for a whole tub. And at the end of a week, I've had points to spare.

You hit the nail on the head, though, because the issue isn't so much about the number of points, or
going over points. For me, the loss of control and the self-recrimination that follows are simply
not worth any amount of points. I'd rather be honest about my lack of willpower and thus avoid those
foods that call my name than be honest about having mindlessly devoured an entire box of cookies in
one sitting. I find it easier to say No to the first bite than to stop once I've started.

Lest you think I'm a zealot, if they were packaged and sold in single servings, I'd happily treat
myself to one of those on grocery shopping day.

Prairie Roots

Fred said:

You know - even if you blow it, I think the whole tub is still less than an ordinary piece of
chocolate cake not that I am sanctioning such loss of control (G)

Prairie Roots
232/173.6/WW goal 145 joined WW Online 22-Feb-2003

Cold. Heavy. And removed from the walkways and alley. Figuring conservatively, I estimate we got
about 3 activity points worth (it took me an hour to snow blow and shovel).

Prairie Roots

Fred said:

How's the snow?

Prairie Roots
232/173.6/WW goal 145 joined WW Online 22-Feb-2003

seems to me that you are showing the ultimate restraint, you know yourself
and say that this is what you must do for control, nothing to beat yourself
up for, Lee
Prairie Roots <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Yeah, I know about Flexpoints. And believe me, I use 'em. But I'd rather use activity points than
Flexpoints.

Honestly, the main reason I avoid having things like this in the house is that after the 1st day
or two of being good and eating just one per day, something flips and I have a hard time
controlling the urge to eat them all at once. I've decided I'm just no longer interested in
beating myself up or wondering what's wrong with me when I'm not able to practice restraint... I
take the easy way out and just don't allow them in the house.

Nightly napping to avoid the evening snack, eh? From what you've said in other posts about
competing for time on your new computer, I'd say those naps serve a dual purpose. LOL

Prairie Roots

Joyce said:

Flexpoints dear - that's what they're there for! <G> I think I figured

these out

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

at 2.5 (or 2) points each. 130cal/2g fat/2g fiber = 2.37US points. I

also was

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

out of the skinny cow habit, maybe got a bit tired of them. BUT ... the peppermint ones looked
soooooooooooo good ... I am once again hooked. I

have

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

found that nightly napping has helped to squelch the urge - sleep right

through

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

the snacking time. Although it means I am pounding away on my puter at

4AM. <G>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Has any of this helped? LOL

Joyce

Prairie Roots said:

Oh no!! When you share Trader Joe's discoveries, I read and move on to the next message,
thankful Trader Joe's isn't located anywhere near me.

But pink peppermint Skinny Cows??!! I'd gotten myself out of the Skinny Cow habit, but now I'll
have to find a way to cut out some other points to give these a try. Or snowblow the entire
alley!

Prairie Roots
232/173.6/WW goal 145 joined WW Online 22-Feb-2003

On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 10:55:45 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:

>Yup, pretty deep pink peppermint. I didn't care for the green mint

variety,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>tasted a bit soapy to me. But the pink *Cool Peppermint* flavor is

wonderful! I

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>hope these aren't just a seasonal issue.
>
>Joyce
>
>On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 16:36:36 -0800, Fred <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>
>>Peppermint as opposed to the green mint variety? I have to find those
>>(G)
>>
>>On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 12:12:32 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>
>>>LOL! I think the meringues have more of a grab on me these days. I

haven't had

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>>many skinny cows, seem to have moved out of that habit. BUT ... my

local store

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>>had *cool peppermint* flavor last week. I haven't seen that before

so had to pick

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>>a package up. BIG mistake ... they now keep calling my name. <g>
>>>
>>>Joyce
>>>
>>>
>>>On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 10:53:09 -0800, Fred <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>>
>>>>You mean other than skinny cows and Miss Meringues (G)
>>>>
>>>>On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 10:38:38 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Thanks Fred! It's nice to have a firm grasp on *something*. <g>
>>>>>
>>>>>Joyce
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 18:06:53 -0800, Fred

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>>>>
>>>>>>Great loss. Congrats on being firmly a part of the Maintenance

losing

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>>>>>group!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 18:06:18 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I'm in the groove with the rest of the NYNY maintenance group ...

down 1 pound

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>>>>>>this week ... 130. Once again the actual weighin Friday morning

was lower, and

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>>>>>>much as I would love to post anything in that 120 decade ... I'm

averaging, and

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>>>>>>average tells me 130. I'm happy, happy, happy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Evidentally eating more does help, as long as *more* is within

reason. A few

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>>>>>>weeks prior I think I was existing on next to nothing, watching

things just a bit

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>>>>>>too carefully as well as falling back into the trap of not

drinking enough water.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>>>>>>Then again, maybe the loss was extra muscle water retention?

This week I only

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>>>>>>managed to squeeze in 2 days of exercise. My own fault, no

excuses. I had one or

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>>>>>>two busy days, then found myself fallen into some sort of a

funk - just couldn't

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>>>>>>drag myself to do much of anything other than whine about

everything. Today I

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>>>>>>took a step into the right direction. Instead of just sitting

here, I hauled my

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>>>>>>butt to the basement and walked for 45 minutes - right back into

the old routine.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>>>>>>If only I could remind myself how much of a mood lifter the

exercise is! I have

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>>>>>>felt great the rest of today.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Joyce WW starting weight: 228.8 - 2/5/02 current weight: 130 Lifetime: 4/4/03

Not a zealot just knowledgeable about your weaknesses. I've got to accept mine and stop buying so
much WHATEVER and having it around. So far I'm doing well with the chocolate cake stored in the back
of the freezer. But the tons of dried fruit and miss meringues are just out there - I need a larger
pantry system here.

And yesterday, I discovered Fry's Electronic has Miss Meringues (sigh) and managed to down most of a
tub between lunch time and the drive home. KNOW THY WEAKNESSES!

Prairie Roots said:

You're right, of course. I confess that on one or two occasions, I've had to figure out the points
for a whole tub. And at the end of a week, I've had points to spare.

You hit the nail on the head, though, because the issue isn't so much about the number of
points, or going over points. For me, the loss of control and the self-recrimination that
follows are simply not worth any amount of points. I'd rather be honest about my lack of
willpower and thus avoid those foods that call my name than be honest about having mindlessly
devoured an entire box of cookies in one sitting. I find it easier to say No to the first bite
than to stop once I've started.

Lest you think I'm a zealot, if they were packaged and sold in single servings, I'd happily treat
myself to one of those on grocery shopping day.

Prairie Roots

Fred said:

You know - even if you blow it, I think the whole tub is still less than an ordinary piece of
chocolate cake not that I am sanctioning such loss of control (G)

Prairie Roots
232/173.6/WW goal 145 joined WW Online 22-Feb-2003

Well, it, hopefully, will add to your string of losses. We are back to rain in the lowlands and snow
UP in the mountains. Should be a good weekend except for those who travel to family over the
mountains for Thanksgiving. Skiers, me, too, are in heaven (G)

Prairie Roots said:

Cold. Heavy. And removed from the walkways and alley. Figuring conservatively, I estimate we got
about 3 activity points worth (it took me an hour to snow blow and shovel).

Prairie Roots

Fred said:

How's the snow?

Prairie Roots
232/173.6/WW goal 145 joined WW Online 22-Feb-2003

According to their website, it doesn't look like it. Illinois locations listed
are:

Arlington Heights Batavia Chicago Downers Grove Glen Ellyn Glenview LaGrange Lake Zurich Naperville
Northbrook Orland Park

Most all appear to be more in the *suburban Chicago* local.

Joyce

Miss Violette said:

Joyce, is there a trader close to Joliet?, Lee Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Flexpoints dear - that's what they're there for! <G> I think I figured

these out

Quoted message said:

at 2.5 (or 2) points each. 130cal/2g fat/2g fiber = 2.37US points. I

also was

Quoted message said:

out of the skinny cow habit, maybe got a bit tired of them. BUT ... the peppermint ones looked
soooooooooooo good ... I am once again hooked. I

have

Quoted message said:

found that nightly napping has helped to squelch the urge - sleep right

through

Quoted message said:

the snacking time. Although it means I am pounding away on my puter at

4AM. <G>

Quoted message said:

Has any of this helped? LOL

Joyce

Prairie Roots said:

Oh no!! When you share Trader Joe's discoveries, I read and move on to the next message,
thankful Trader Joe's isn't located anywhere near me.

But pink peppermint Skinny Cows??!! I'd gotten myself out of the Skinny Cow habit, but now I'll
have to find a way to cut out some other points to give these a try. Or snowblow the entire
alley!

Prairie Roots
232/173.6/WW goal 145 joined WW Online 22-Feb-2003

On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 10:55:45 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:

>Yup, pretty deep pink peppermint. I didn't care for the green mint

variety,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>tasted a bit soapy to me. But the pink *Cool Peppermint* flavor is

wonderful! I

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>hope these aren't just a seasonal issue.
>
>Joyce
>
>On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 16:36:36 -0800, Fred <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>
>>Peppermint as opposed to the green mint variety? I have to find those
>>(G)
>>
>>On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 12:12:32 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>
>>>LOL! I think the meringues have more of a grab on me these days. I

haven't had

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>>many skinny cows, seem to have moved out of that habit. BUT ... my

local store

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>>had *cool peppermint* flavor last week. I haven't seen that before so

had to pick

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>>a package up. BIG mistake ... they now keep calling my name. <g>
>>>
>>>Joyce
>>>
>>>
>>>On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 10:53:09 -0800, Fred <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>>
>>>>You mean other than skinny cows and Miss Meringues (G)
>>>>
>>>>On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 10:38:38 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Thanks Fred! It's nice to have a firm grasp on *something*. <g>
>>>>>
>>>>>Joyce
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 18:06:53 -0800, Fred <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>>>>
>>>>>>Great loss. Congrats on being firmly a part of the Maintenance

losing

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>>>>>group!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 18:06:18 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I'm in the groove with the rest of the NYNY maintenance group ...

down 1 pound

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>>>>>>this week ... 130. Once again the actual weighin Friday morning

was lower, and

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>>>>>>much as I would love to post anything in that 120 decade ... I'm

averaging, and

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>>>>>>average tells me 130. I'm happy, happy, happy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Evidentally eating more does help, as long as *more* is within

reason. A few

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>>>>>>weeks prior I think I was existing on next to nothing, watching

things just a bit

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>>>>>>too carefully as well as falling back into the trap of not

drinking enough water.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>>>>>>Then again, maybe the loss was extra muscle water retention? This

week I only

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>>>>>>managed to squeeze in 2 days of exercise. My own fault, no

excuses. I had one or

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>>>>>>two busy days, then found myself fallen into some sort of a funk -

just couldn't

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>>>>>>drag myself to do much of anything other than whine about

everything. Today I

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>>>>>>took a step into the right direction. Instead of just sitting

here, I hauled my

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>>>>>>butt to the basement and walked for 45 minutes - right back into

the old routine.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>>>>>>If only I could remind myself how much of a mood lifter the

exercise is! I have

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>>>>>>felt great the rest of today.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Joyce WW starting weight: 228.8 - 2/5/02 current weight: 130 Lifetime: 4/4/03

Miss Violette said:

this would make a good thread, what is your weakness,

Mine is anything potato, home made cookies, pretty much everything at the moment ;-)
--
Erin in NZ
125/88.5/75 kgs
125.88/5.1/165 lbs

NYNY goal 180.6lbs (82 kilos)

"It is not the mountain we conquer, it is ourselves" Sir Edmund Hilary

Prairie Roots said:

Yeah, I know about Flexpoints. And believe me, I use 'em. But I'd rather use activity points than
Flexpoints.

It's funny, I'm at that same point now too. Although, this week the flexpoints seem to have been
used more than the activity points. Guess it makes up for all those activity points I DIDN'T use
last week. But the dang scale didn't care today. <sigh>

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Honestly, the main reason I avoid having things like this in the house is that after the 1st day or
two of being good and eating just one per day, something flips and I have a hard time controlling
the urge to eat them all at once. I've decided I'm just no longer interested in beating myself up
or wondering what's wrong with me when I'm not able to practice restraint... I take the easy way
out and just don't allow them in the house.

I do understand, and if you have that problem then you are better off keeping them out of the house.
The skinny cows don't bother me, nor do the meringues. 1 package of skinny cows will honestly stay
in my freezer close to a month ... and the meringues don't go too much faster (unless my daughters
friend gets into them). Bring a cheesecake, chocolate chip cookies, brownies, stuff like that
anywhere near me .. and forget it ... I'm toast.

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Nightly napping to avoid the evening snack, eh? From what you've said in other posts about
competing for time on your new computer, I'd say those naps serve a dual purpose. LOL

You might have me confused with someone else, I don't have to fight for computer time. There are 5
computers networked together in my house - I will not share! LOL Really, my computer is used for the
business and the kids are only allowed on it for sheer desperation - things they can't do on their
own. This way, if anything should go wrong with it, there is no possibility of me getting angry at
them. And if they each have schoolwork or whatever to be done, they aren't fighting where I have to
listen to it. <g> The napping tends to be from either exhaustion (my late hour habit) or stress ..
or a combo of both. I don't go on the computer in the early evening, hub likes me to keep him
company. I get bored with the tv, it puts me to sleep. So about 3 or 4 hours on the couch and I'm up
all night ... catch about 2 - 3 hours of sleep before I have to get up in the morning. It's a bad
cycle that I do need to break - but I really do love my quiet hours in the dark. <g>

Joyce

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Prairie Roots

Joyce said:

Flexpoints dear - that's what they're there for! <G> I think I figured these out at 2.5 (or 2)
points each. 130cal/2g fat/2g fiber = 2.37US points. I also was out of the skinny cow habit, maybe
got a bit tired of them. BUT ... the peppermint ones looked soooooooooooo good ... I am once again
hooked. I have found that nightly napping has helped to squelch the urge - sleep right through the
snacking time. Although it means I am pounding away on my puter at 4AM. <G>

Has any of this helped? LOL

Joyce

Prairie Roots said:

Oh no!! When you share Trader Joe's discoveries, I read and move on to the next message, thankful
Trader Joe's isn't located anywhere near me.

But pink peppermint Skinny Cows??!! I'd gotten myself out of the Skinny Cow habit, but now
I'll have to find a way to cut out some other points to give these a try. Or snowblow the
entire alley!

Prairie Roots
232/173.6/WW goal 145 joined WW Online 22-Feb-2003

On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 10:55:45 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:

>Yup, pretty deep pink peppermint. I didn't care for the green mint variety, tasted a bit soapy
>to me. But the pink *Cool Peppermint* flavor is wonderful! I hope these aren't just a seasonal
>issue.
>
>Joyce
>
>On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 16:36:36 -0800, Fred <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>>Peppermint as opposed to the green mint variety? I have to find those
>>(G)
>>
>>On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 12:12:32 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>
>>>LOL! I think the meringues have more of a grab on me these days. I haven't had many skinny
>>>cows, seem to have moved out of that habit. BUT ... my local store had *cool peppermint*
>>>flavor last week. I haven't seen that before so had to pick a package up. BIG mistake ... they
>>>now keep calling my name. <g>
>>>
>>>Joyce
>>>
>>>
>>>On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 10:53:09 -0800, Fred <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>You mean other than skinny cows and Miss Meringues (G)
>>>>
>>>>On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 10:38:38 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Thanks Fred! It's nice to have a firm grasp on *something*. <g>
>>>>>
>>>>>Joyce
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 18:06:53 -0800, Fred <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Great loss. Congrats on being firmly a part of the Maintenance losing group!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 18:06:18 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I'm in the groove with the rest of the NYNY maintenance group ... down 1 pound this week
>>>>>>>... 130. Once again the actual weighin Friday morning was lower, and much as I would love
>>>>>>>to post anything in that 120 decade ... I'm averaging, and average tells me 130. I'm
>>>>>>>happy, happy, happy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Evidentally eating more does help, as long as *more* is within reason. A few weeks prior I
>>>>>>>think I was existing on next to nothing, watching things just a bit too carefully as well
>>>>>>>as falling back into the trap of not drinking enough water. Then again, maybe the loss was
>>>>>>>extra muscle water retention? This week I only managed to squeeze in 2 days of exercise.
>>>>>>>My own fault, no excuses. I had one or two busy days, then found myself fallen into some
>>>>>>>sort of a funk - just couldn't drag myself to do much of anything other than whine about
>>>>>>>everything. Today I took a step into the right direction. Instead of just sitting here, I
>>>>>>>hauled my butt to the basement and walked for 45 minutes - right back into the old
>>>>>>>routine. If only I could remind myself how much of a mood lifter the exercise is! I have
>>>>>>>felt great the rest of today.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Joyce WW starting weight: 228.8 - 2/5/02 current weight: 130 Lifetime: 4/4/03

Brenda Hammond said:

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Prairie Roots said:

Yeah, I know about Flexpoints. And believe me, I use 'em. But I'd rather use activity points
than Flexpoints.

It's funny, I'm at that same point now too. Although, this week the

flexpoints

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seem to have been used more than the activity points. Guess it makes up

for all

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those activity points I DIDN'T use last week. But the dang scale didn't

care

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today. <sigh>

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Honestly, the main reason I avoid having things like this in the house is that after the 1st day
or two of being good and eating just one per day, something flips and I have a hard time
controlling the urge to eat them all at once. I've decided I'm just no longer interested in
beating myself up or wondering what's wrong with me when I'm not able to practice restraint... I
take the easy way out and just don't allow them in the house.

I do understand, and if you have that problem then you are better off

keeping them

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out of the house. The skinny cows don't bother me, nor do the meringues.

1

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package of skinny cows will honestly stay in my freezer close to a month

... and

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the meringues don't go too much faster (unless my daughters friend gets

into

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them). Bring a cheesecake, chocolate chip cookies, brownies, stuff like

that

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anywhere near me .. and forget it ... I'm toast.

I've never tried meringes. Actually have never seen them here. After reading about them on the ng I
did a google search and found all kinds of recipes, so might try to make some at some point.

I'd probably be better off making them since I really do hate baking... then I wouldn't be eating
any of them. <G>

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Nightly napping to avoid the evening snack, eh? From what you've said in other posts about
competing for time on your new computer, I'd say those naps serve a dual purpose. LOL

You might have me confused with someone else, I don't have to fight for

computer

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time. There are 5 computers networked together in my house - I will not

share!

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LOL Really, my computer is used for the business and the kids are only

allowed on

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it for sheer desperation - things they can't do on their own.

You're a smart one! Not letting the kids on your business computer. We see it all the time in our
shop, people who run their own businesses and their kids are constantly using their computer to
download music or junk and next thing you know their computer is SICK, SICK, SICK. Of course things
like this can be fixed, but it costs the customer time and money.

I learned the hard way, many years ago and it just about killed me (and them). Definitely wasn't
worth the aggravation, so at that time we became a two computer family. Didn't take long before that
grew to 3 ... then 4 ... then bro moved in and we became 5. <G>

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This way, if

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anything should go wrong with it, there is no possibility of me getting

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them. And if they each have schoolwork or whatever to be done, they

aren't

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fighting where I have to listen to it. <g> The napping tends to be from

either

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exhaustion (my late hour habit) or stress .. or a combo of both. I don't

go on

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the computer in the early evening, hub likes me to keep him company. I

get bored

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with the tv, it puts me to sleep.

My DH spends most of his waking hours in his "room", repairing or making things or being on his
computer, reading newgroups. He's into electronics mostly, but also metalwork and woodwork at
times. Repairs all kinds of electronic stuff, from computers, motherboards to kettles, lamps, and
the kids magic wands! You name it, he can repair it! Needless to say, if he's not repairing stuff
at work, he's doing it at home.

Wow, sounds like he has a tremendous amount of energy, I remember those days. <G> Hub used to do a
lot of woodwork stuff, but now seems to enjoy relaxing much more. I think putting the second story
on our house did him in, then gutting the first floor and totally redoing the kitchen and eating
area added a nail to the coffin. The installation of the laminate floor 2 years ago finished him
off. This year he finally hired someone to do the downstairs bath. We now tease him that he won't
leave the house unless we put wheels on his recliner. <g>

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So about 3 or 4 hours on the couch and I'm up

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all night ... catch about 2 - 3 hours of sleep before I have to get up in

the

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morning. It's a bad cycle that I do need to break - but I really do love

my quiet

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hours in the dark. <g>

Aren't those few hours wonderful. Nicholas is usually in bed by 7:00 and DH by 9:00 or so, then I
get the place to myself for an hour or so before I go to bed. I love that nice quiet time. My quiet
time is earlier than yours though. If I stayed awake as late as you I wouldn't be able to function
the next day!

Yup, I absolutely love them! I think I come by those late hours somewhat naturally - I remember my
mom being the same way. It also might be due to my kids ages. When they were younger, I could get
them to bed earlier which meant I was in bed earlier. Now that they are older teens it's a much
different story. 16 yr. old daughter usually hits bed at 11 or 12. When sonny boy is home from
college (he's 19) I'm lucky to have him roll into the house by 3AM. And of course, I can't sleep
until I know everyone is where they belong. <G> I've become very good at not-functioning.
Sometimes it does get to me, most of the time I'm ok though. I listen to my body and if I am
exhausted then I give in.

Joyce

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Joyce

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Prairie Roots

On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 13:57:33 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:

>Flexpoints dear - that's what they're there for! <G> I think I figured

these out

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>at 2.5 (or 2) points each. 130cal/2g fat/2g fiber = 2.37US points. I

also was

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>out of the skinny cow habit, maybe got a bit tired of them. BUT ... the peppermint ones looked
>soooooooooooo good ... I am once again hooked. I

have

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>found that nightly napping has helped to squelch the urge - sleep right

through

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>the snacking time. Although it means I am pounding away on my puter at

4AM. <G>

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>
>Has any of this helped? LOL
>
>Joyce
>
>
>On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 13:18:48 -0600, Prairie Roots <[email hidden]>

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>
>>Oh no!! When you share Trader Joe's discoveries, I read and move on to the next message,
>>thankful Trader Joe's isn't located anywhere near me.
>>
>>But pink peppermint Skinny Cows??!! I'd gotten myself out of the Skinny Cow habit, but now
>>I'll have to find a way to cut out some other points to give these a try. Or snowblow the
>>entire alley!
>>
>>Prairie Roots
>>232/173.6/WW goal 145 joined WW Online 22-Feb-2003
>>
>>On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 10:55:45 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>
>>>Yup, pretty deep pink peppermint. I didn't care for the green mint

variety,

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>>>tasted a bit soapy to me. But the pink *Cool Peppermint* flavor is

wonderful! I

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>>>hope these aren't just a seasonal issue.
>>>
>>>Joyce
>>>
>>>On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 16:36:36 -0800, Fred <[email hidden]>

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>>>
>>>>Peppermint as opposed to the green mint variety? I have to find

those

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>>>>(G)
>>>>
>>>>On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 12:12:32 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>LOL! I think the meringues have more of a grab on me these days. I

haven't had

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>>>>>many skinny cows, seem to have moved out of that habit. BUT ... my

local store

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>>>>>had *cool peppermint* flavor last week. I haven't seen that before

so had to pick

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>>>>>a package up. BIG mistake ... they now keep calling my name. <g>
>>>>>
>>>>>Joyce
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 10:53:09 -0800, Fred <[email hidden]>

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>>>>>
>>>>>>You mean other than skinny cows and Miss Meringues (G)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 10:38:38 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Thanks Fred! It's nice to have a firm grasp on *something*. <g>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Joyce
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 18:06:53 -0800, Fred

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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Great loss. Congrats on being firmly a part of the Maintenance

losing

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>>>>>>>>group!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 18:06:18 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I'm in the groove with the rest of the NYNY maintenance group

... down 1 pound

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>>>>>>>>>this week ... 130. Once again the actual weighin Friday morning

was lower, and

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>>>>>>>>>much as I would love to post anything in that 120 decade ... I'm

averaging, and

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>>>>>>>>>average tells me 130. I'm happy, happy, happy.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Evidentally eating more does help, as long as *more* is within

reason. A few

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>>>>>>>>>weeks prior I think I was existing on next to nothing, watching

things just a bit

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>>>>>>>>>too carefully as well as falling back into the trap of not

drinking enough water.

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This week I only

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>>>>>>>>>managed to squeeze in 2 days of exercise. My own fault, no

excuses. I had one or

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funk - just couldn't

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everything. Today I

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here, I hauled my

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>>>>>>>>>butt to the basement and walked for 45 minutes - right back into

the old routine.

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>>>>>>>>>If only I could remind myself how much of a mood lifter the

exercise is! I have

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>>>>>>>>>felt great the rest of today.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Joyce WW starting weight: 228.8 - 2/5/02 current weight: 130 Lifetime: 4/4/03

Too much Thanksgiving STUFF and stuffING. (g)

Not to the point of discomfort like many previous food orgies but too much nonetheless. Back to
simple today. Most already planned or done. Oatmeal for breakfast (cooked in 6 day batches), a
peanut butter and jelly sandwich for lunch left over from yesterday's ski trip, and an already
cooked yam toward tonight's dinner.

I have too much leftover apple pie and I'm thinking of un-crusting the fruit and just
eating that (g)

Joyce said:

LOL! Soda has been screaming at me this week, and I have absolutely no idea why. I don't even care
for soda that much, don't have more than a sip or two when I do actually give in. So why now?

Joyce

Fred said:

FOOD is calling my name.

Joyce said:

ROFL!!! Those skiny cows calling your name now, Fred?

Joyce

On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 10:59:04 -0800, Fred <[email hidden]> wrote:

>STOP IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (G)
>
>On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 17:36:31 GMT, "Laura" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>>I just discovered their Fudge bars. Dangerous habit.
>>
>>"Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
>>> LOL! I think the meringues have more of a grab on me these days. I
>>haven't had
>>> many skinny cows, seem to have moved out of that habit. BUT ... my local
>>store
>>> had *cool peppermint* flavor last week. I haven't seen that before so had
>>to pick
>>> a package up. BIG mistake ... they now keep calling my name. <g>
>>>
>>> Joyce
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 10:53:09 -0800, Fred <[email hidden]>
>>wrote:
>>>
>>> >You mean other than skinny cows and Miss Meringues (G)
>>> >
>>> >On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 10:38:38 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>Thanks Fred! It's nice to have a firm grasp on *something*. <g>
>>> >>
>>> >>Joyce
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 18:06:53 -0800, Fred <[email hidden]>
>>wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>>Great loss. Congrats on being firmly a part of the Maintenance losing group!
>>> >>>
>>> >>>On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 18:06:18 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>>I'm in the groove with the rest of the NYNY maintenance group ... down
>>1 pound
>>> >>>>this week ... 130. Once again the actual weighin Friday morning was
>>lower, and
>>> >>>>much as I would love to post anything in that 120 decade ... I'm
>>averaging, and
>>> >>>>average tells me 130. I'm happy, happy, happy.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>Evidentally eating more does help, as long as *more* is within reason.
>>A few
>>> >>>>weeks prior I think I was existing on next to nothing, watching things
>>just a bit
>>> >>>>too carefully as well as falling back into the trap of not drinking
>>enough water.
>>> >>>>Then again, maybe the loss was extra muscle water retention? This
>>week I only
>>> >>>>managed to squeeze in 2 days of exercise. My own fault, no excuses.
>>I had one or
>>> >>>>two busy days, then found myself fallen into some sort of a funk -
>>just couldn't
>>> >>>>drag myself to do much of anything other than whine about everything.
>>Today I
>>> >>>>took a step into the right direction. Instead of just sitting here, I
>>hauled my
>>> >>>>butt to the basement and walked for 45 minutes - right back into the
>>old routine.
>>> >>>>If only I could remind myself how much of a mood lifter the exercise
>>is! I have
>>> >>>>felt great the rest of today.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>Joyce WW starting weight: 228.8 - 2/5/02 current weight: 130 Lifetime: 4/4/03
>

Yup, exercise is a main key to fighting depression but my feet have been so sore that I can't do too
much. At least I'm back OP & will get if off again, albeit much slower this time. Elaine K
331.4/222.2/179

Laura said:

I forgot about DH illnesses can also bring on depression. My DH had an angina attack last month
putting him in the hospital for 2 days. SInce I can't cook very well plus I hate hospitals my DD
and I would eat out for dinner and then go see him at the hospital. I was sick with worry plus my
schedule was turned upside down. I worked from home those days which is something I had not done
for about a year. Was not used it at all. I don't know if it impacted my depression level but I
certainly was all out of whack because of it. Maybe if I had taken time to take care of my self
during those bad times the depression would not have hit me so badly. I'll remember that the next
time I get out of sorts. Run to Curves.

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Although I love to swim, I hate chlorine as it causes a rash on my skin. I

am

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definitely leaning toward Curves and thanks for the advice. As to the

depression

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- dates do not bother me at all - even anniversaries of deaths. My hubby

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small stoke about 2 months ago & about a month after, he had another one

during

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the night while he was sleeping. I know that there is nothing that can be

done

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about preventing his stokes as they are caused by blood vessels breaking.

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can't give him blood thinners as long as he has high blood pressure. He is

on

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low dose asparin, has quit smoking & is trying to lose weight - thise are

the

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things that the doc said could help. I have been so worried about him and depressed that I
couldn't do anything to help, that I started to eat - as

if

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that would help!! Well, as time goes on, the chance of another stroke is lessening and so are my
worries. Since I do know what has caused at least

a

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portion of my depression, I won't go the pill route unless he has another

stoke

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and then I will go immediately to the doc for help. His family has a

history of

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stokes, his dad had a major one & his grandad died of one. Because his

blood

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pressure was under control, I had thought that we didn't have to worry

about

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that, but that has proved wrong. Thanks for your suggestions - I do love

the

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curves one. Elaine K
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I love curves. Go and ask them if you can try it out for a week to see

if

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your aching bones can handle it. It is not a strenuous exercise program

so

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you might not have any problems. Do you have a YMCA near you? Maybe

swimming

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would be another option.

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certain holidays and the anniversary of my father and daughter's deaths

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set me off. And of course, my mother's attitude towards my weight loss.

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you can figure out what triggers yours then maybe you'll be able to

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your eating during those stressful times. My doctor prescribed pills but

I

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am so bad at taking medicines that I gave up going that route. I think self-awareness helps
control depression to keep it at a mininum.

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> Thanks Laura, but I know I will not take drugs unless I need them and

this

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> depression (the worst of it) lasted about 3 weeks. Usually I can pull
myself out
> of it in a couple of days by walking, but I find I can't walk these

days,

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so I
> must find another way to break it - I'm thinking about Curves as an
alternative
> but don't know if my aching bones will be able to handle it ;-D Elaine K
> 331.4/222.2/179
>
> Laura wrote:
>
> > Just remember that most medications for depression take about 3

weeks to

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> > take effect. You might talk to the doctor before it happens again.
> >
> > "Elaine Kirkham" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> > "]news:[email hidden]...
> > > Thanks, Lesanne. Since I have never had a bout like this one, I

just

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> > thought I
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I

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will

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binge
> > again
> > > from stress, but I can handle the small ones, but if this kind of
> > depression
> > > eating happens again, I will go to the doc for help. Thanks for
listening,
> > > Lesanne. Elaine K
> > > 331.4/222.2/179
> > >
> > > Lesanne wrote:
> > >
> > > > This has happened to me so many times! Just write down

somewhere

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how
> > > > accepted you were when you went back. And I highly recommend
getting
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several

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times
> > in
> > > > the past, never for more than a month or two. Somehow just Going

to

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get
> > it
> > > > lifts my spirits.
> > > >
> > > > "Elaine Kirkham" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> > > > "]news:[email hidden]...
> > > > > No, I'm sorry to say that it's not a typo. I went for my weigh

in

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> > Fri
> > > > for the first
> > > > > time in over 3 week. I knew it would be bad as for the first

time

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in
> > my
> > > > life I was eating
> > > > > so completely out of control that I was at the point of going

to

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the
> > > > doctor to see what
> > > > > if there was anything physical wrong. What stopped me was that

I

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got a
> > > > lovely card from
> > > > > my WW centre saying that they hoped all was well and that they
looked
> > > > forward to seeing
> > > > > me again. Before I got that I had no intention of going back

but

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that
> > one
> > > > note changed
> > > > > things for me. I went & got the horrible truth about my

gain ---

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but I
> > am
> > > > now back on
> > > > > program fully & raring to go. It was simply one of the worst

cases

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of
> > > > depression that I
> > > > > have ever experienced in my life but all it took was that

little

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note
> > to
> > > > pull me out of
> > > > > it. I was surprised at how caring everyone was at the

meeting -

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they
> > > > didn't make me feel
> > > > > bad because of the weight I put on but just welcomed me back

&

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made
> > me
> > > > feel so
> > > > > comfortable. Aside from the health problems with my hubby &

the

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worry
> > > > there, my feet
> > > > > started to hurt so much & I found it very difficult to walk

much.

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I
> > have
> > > > had to resort to
> > > > > the bike but can't do much there as I also have bad knees. I

was

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just
> > > > feeling so sorry
> > > > > for myself that I started to eat myself to death ;-( This has
> > happened
> > > > before but never
> > > > > as bad as this was. I think that next time I start to let go

(and

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I
> > know
> > > > it will happen
> > > > > again), I just might try the drug route with the doc & get

pill

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for
> > the
> > > > depresseion to
> > > > > see if that will keep me away from the non stop eating of

sweets.

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> > Thanks
> > > > for asking,
> > > > > Joyce. Elaine K
> > > > > 331.4/222.2/179
> > > > >
> > > > > Joyce wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks Elaine! I'm feeling strong and still highly

motivated.

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> > > > Hopefully, these
> > > > > > feelings will hold me steady throughout the holidays.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hey, have you made a mistake in your sig? I worry because

of

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your
> > past
> > > > health
> > > > > > problems and recall you being barely out of Onederland a

few

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weeks
> > ago.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Joyce
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 02:46:05 GMT, Elaine Kirkham
> > <[email hidden]>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >Excellent, Joyce! Congratulations. Elaine K
> > > > > > >331.4/222.2/179
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Joyce wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> I'm in the groove with the rest of the NYNY maintenance

group

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...
> > > > down 1 pound
> > > > > > >> this week ... 130. Once again the actual weighin Friday
morning
> > was
> > > > lower, and
> > > > > > >> much as I would love to post anything in that 120 decade

...

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I'm
> > > > averaging, and
> > > > > > >> average tells me 130. I'm happy, happy, happy.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Evidentally eating more does help, as long as *more* is
within
> > > > reason. A few
> > > > > > >> weeks prior I think I was existing on next to nothing,
watching
> > > > things just a bit
> > > > > > >> too carefully as well as falling back into the trap of

not

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> > drinking
> > > > enough water.
> > > > > > >> Then again, maybe the loss was extra muscle water

retention?

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> > This
> > > > week I only
> > > > > > >> managed to squeeze in 2 days of exercise. My own fault,

no

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> > excuses.
> > > > I had one or
> > > > > > >> two busy days, then found myself fallen into some sort of

a

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> > funk -
> > > > just couldn't
> > > > > > >> drag myself to do much of anything other than whine about
> > everything.
> > > > Today I
> > > > > > >> took a step into the right direction. Instead of just
sitting
> > here,
> > > > I hauled my
> > > > > > >> butt to the basement and walked for 45 minutes - right

back

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into
> > the
> > > > old routine.
> > > > > > >> If only I could remind myself how much of a mood lifter

the

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> > exercise
> > > > is! I have
> > > > > > >> felt great the rest of today.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Joyce WW starting weight: 228.8 - 2/5/02 current weight: 130 Lifetime: 4/4/03
> > > > >
> > >
>

I know what you mean about the adoption part. My eldest brother is only my 1/2 brother & I worried
about that also. I finally traced his family tree & found that there were very serious heart
problems with that whole side of his family. He now has the same problem, but having been
forewarned, he was able to get help when the first signs started & with todays technology, he's
living a good life - he's 74 now and still going stong. Elaine K
331.4/222.2/179

Miss Violette said:

I am sorry about your DH, One of my biggest worries in life is that mine is adopted so we know
nothing of his medical history so I am always freaking at the slightest hint of a health issue,
Lee Elaine Kirkham <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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Although I love to swim, I hate chlorine as it causes a rash on my skin. I

am

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definitely leaning toward Curves and thanks for the advice. As to the

depression

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- dates do not bother me at all - even anniversaries of deaths. My hubby

had a

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small stoke about 2 months ago & about a month after, he had another one

during

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the night while he was sleeping. I know that there is nothing that can be

done

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about preventing his stokes as they are caused by blood vessels breaking.

They

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can't give him blood thinners as long as he has high blood pressure. He is

on

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low dose asparin, has quit smoking & is trying to lose weight - thise are

the

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things that the doc said could help. I have been so worried about him and depressed that I
couldn't do anything to help, that I started to eat - as

if

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that would help!! Well, as time goes on, the chance of another stroke is lessening and so are my
worries. Since I do know what has caused at least

a

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portion of my depression, I won't go the pill route unless he has another

stoke

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and then I will go immediately to the doc for help. His family has a

history of

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stokes, his dad had a major one & his grandad died of one. Because his

blood

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pressure was under control, I had thought that we didn't have to worry

about

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that, but that has proved wrong. Thanks for your suggestions - I do love

the

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curves one. Elaine K
331.4/222.2/179

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I love curves. Go and ask them if you can try it out for a week to see

if

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your aching bones can handle it. It is not a strenuous exercise program

so

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you might not have any problems. Do you have a YMCA near you? Maybe

swimming

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would be another option.

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anniversaries

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that set you off? I can predict when mine is going to come on. For me it

is

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certain holidays and the anniversary of my father and daughter's deaths

that

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set me off. And of course, my mother's attitude towards my weight loss.

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you can figure out what triggers yours then maybe you'll be able to

control

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your eating during those stressful times. My doctor prescribed pills but

I

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am so bad at taking medicines that I gave up going that route. I think self-awareness helps
control depression to keep it at a mininum.

"Elaine Kirkham" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
> Thanks Laura, but I know I will not take drugs unless I need them and

this

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> depression (the worst of it) lasted about 3 weeks. Usually I can pull
myself out
> of it in a couple of days by walking, but I find I can't walk these

days,

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so I
> must find another way to break it - I'm thinking about Curves as an
alternative
> but don't know if my aching bones will be able to handle it ;-D Elaine K
> 331.4/222.2/179
>
> Laura wrote:
>
> > Just remember that most medications for depression take about 3

weeks to

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> > take effect. You might talk to the doctor before it happens again.
> >
> > "Elaine Kirkham" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> > "]news:[email hidden]...
> > > Thanks, Lesanne. Since I have never had a bout like this one, I

just

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> > thought I
> > > could handle it on my own like I did with the other smaller ones.

I

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now
> > realize
> > > that if it happens again, I must get the docs help. I do now I

will

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binge
> > again
> > > from stress, but I can handle the small ones, but if this kind of
> > depression
> > > eating happens again, I will go to the doc for help. Thanks for
listening,
> > > Lesanne. Elaine K
> > > 331.4/222.2/179
> > >
> > > Lesanne wrote:
> > >
> > > > This has happened to me so many times! Just write down

somewhere

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how
> > > > accepted you were when you went back. And I highly recommend
getting
> > > > medication for a bit when you realize it. I have used it

several

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times
> > in
> > > > the past, never for more than a month or two. Somehow just Going

to

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get
> > it
> > > > lifts my spirits.
> > > >
> > > > "Elaine Kirkham" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> > > > "]news:[email hidden]...
> > > > > No, I'm sorry to say that it's not a typo. I went for my weigh

in

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on
> > Fri
> > > > for the first
> > > > > time in over 3 week. I knew it would be bad as for the first

time

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in
> > my
> > > > life I was eating
> > > > > so completely out of control that I was at the point of going

to

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the
> > > > doctor to see what
> > > > > if there was anything physical wrong. What stopped me was that

I

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got a
> > > > lovely card from
> > > > > my WW centre saying that they hoped all was well and that they
looked
> > > > forward to seeing
> > > > > me again. Before I got that I had no intention of going back

but

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that
> > one
> > > > note changed
> > > > > things for me. I went & got the horrible truth about my

gain ---

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but I
> > am
> > > > now back on
> > > > > program fully & raring to go. It was simply one of the worst

cases

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of
> > > > depression that I
> > > > > have ever experienced in my life but all it took was that

little

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note
> > to
> > > > pull me out of
> > > > > it. I was surprised at how caring everyone was at the

meeting -

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they
> > > > didn't make me feel
> > > > > bad because of the weight I put on but just welcomed me back

&

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made
> > me
> > > > feel so
> > > > > comfortable. Aside from the health problems with my hubby &

the

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worry
> > > > there, my feet
> > > > > started to hurt so much & I found it very difficult to walk

much.

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I
> > have
> > > > had to resort to
> > > > > the bike but can't do much there as I also have bad knees. I

was

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just
> > > > feeling so sorry
> > > > > for myself that I started to eat myself to death ;-( This has
> > happened
> > > > before but never
> > > > > as bad as this was. I think that next time I start to let go

(and

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I
> > know
> > > > it will happen
> > > > > again), I just might try the drug route with the doc & get

pill

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for
> > the
> > > > depresseion to
> > > > > see if that will keep me away from the non stop eating of

sweets.

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> > Thanks
> > > > for asking,
> > > > > Joyce. Elaine K
> > > > > 331.4/222.2/179
> > > > >
> > > > > Joyce wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks Elaine! I'm feeling strong and still highly

motivated.

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> > > > Hopefully, these
> > > > > > feelings will hold me steady throughout the holidays.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hey, have you made a mistake in your sig? I worry because

of

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your
> > past
> > > > health
> > > > > > problems and recall you being barely out of Onederland a

few

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weeks
> > ago.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Joyce
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 02:46:05 GMT, Elaine Kirkham
> > <[email hidden]>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >Excellent, Joyce! Congratulations. Elaine K
> > > > > > >331.4/222.2/179
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Joyce wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> I'm in the groove with the rest of the NYNY maintenance

group

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...
> > > > down 1 pound
> > > > > > >> this week ... 130. Once again the actual weighin Friday
morning
> > was
> > > > lower, and
> > > > > > >> much as I would love to post anything in that 120 decade

...

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I'm
> > > > averaging, and
> > > > > > >> average tells me 130. I'm happy, happy, happy.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Evidentally eating more does help, as long as *more* is
within
> > > > reason. A few
> > > > > > >> weeks prior I think I was existing on next to nothing,
watching
> > > > things just a bit
> > > > > > >> too carefully as well as falling back into the trap of

not

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> > drinking
> > > > enough water.
> > > > > > >> Then again, maybe the loss was extra muscle water

retention?

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> > This
> > > > week I only
> > > > > > >> managed to squeeze in 2 days of exercise. My own fault,

no

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> > excuses.
> > > > I had one or
> > > > > > >> two busy days, then found myself fallen into some sort of

a

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> > funk -
> > > > just couldn't
> > > > > > >> drag myself to do much of anything other than whine about
> > everything.
> > > > Today I
> > > > > > >> took a step into the right direction. Instead of just
sitting
> > here,
> > > > I hauled my
> > > > > > >> butt to the basement and walked for 45 minutes - right

back

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into
> > the
> > > > old routine.
> > > > > > >> If only I could remind myself how much of a mood lifter

the

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> > exercise
> > > > is! I have
> > > > > > >> felt great the rest of today.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Joyce WW starting weight: 228.8 - 2/5/02 current weight: 130 Lifetime: 4/4/03
> > > > >
> > >
>

Yep, that's me. The list of things I don't have in the house is pretty extensive: Baked goods,
chips, frozen treats, candy, anything considered a snack food rarely makes an appearance on my
grocery list. I must have been dozing when the willpower gene was being handed out. I just
don't have any.

Prairie Roots

Amber said:

I can't keep some snacks in the house either. I do pretty good staying out of icecream, but any
baked goods are deadly, as well as any chocolate. I even have a hard time w/ things like the cookie
dough slim fast bars. I just don't buy them b/c I can't do it.

Amber

Prairie Roots said:

Yeah, I know about Flexpoints. And believe me, I use 'em. But I'd rather use activity points than
Flexpoints.

Honestly, the main reason I avoid having things like this in the house is that after the 1st day
or two of being good and eating just one per day, something flips and I have a hard time
controlling the urge to eat them all at once. I've decided I'm just no longer interested in
beating myself up or wondering what's wrong with me when I'm not able to practice restraint... I
take the easy way out and just don't allow them in the house.

Nightly napping to avoid the evening snack, eh? From what you've said in other posts about
competing for time on your new computer, I'd say those naps serve a dual purpose. LOL

Prairie Roots

Joyce said:

Flexpoints dear - that's what they're there for! <G> I think I figured these out at 2.5 (or 2)
points each. 130cal/2g fat/2g fiber = 2.37US points. I also was out of the skinny cow habit,
maybe got a bit tired of them. BUT ... the peppermint ones looked soooooooooooo good ... I am
once again hooked. I have found that nightly napping has helped to squelch the urge - sleep right
through the snacking time. Although it means I am pounding away on my puter at 4AM. <G>

Has any of this helped? LOL

Joyce

On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 13:18:48 -0600, Prairie Roots <[email hidden]> wrote:

>Oh no!! When you share Trader Joe's discoveries, I read and move on to the next message,
>thankful Trader Joe's isn't located anywhere near me.
>
>But pink peppermint Skinny Cows??!! I'd gotten myself out of the Skinny Cow habit, but now I'll
>have to find a way to cut out some other points to give these a try. Or snowblow the entire
>alley!
>
>Prairie Roots
>232/173.6/WW goal 145 joined WW Online 22-Feb-2003
>
>On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 10:55:45 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>
>>Yup, pretty deep pink peppermint. I didn't care for the green mint variety, tasted a bit soapy
>>to me. But the pink *Cool Peppermint* flavor is wonderful! I hope these aren't just a seasonal
>>issue.
>>
>>Joyce
>>
>>On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 16:36:36 -0800, Fred <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Peppermint as opposed to the green mint variety? I have to find those
>>>(G)
>>>
>>>On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 12:12:32 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>LOL! I think the meringues have more of a grab on me these days. I haven't had many skinny
>>>>cows, seem to have moved out of that habit. BUT ... my local store had *cool peppermint*
>>>>flavor last week. I haven't seen that before so had to pick a package up. BIG mistake ...
>>>>they now keep calling my name. <g>
>>>>
>>>>Joyce
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 10:53:09 -0800, Fred <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>You mean other than skinny cows and Miss Meringues (G)
>>>>>
>>>>>On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 10:38:38 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Thanks Fred! It's nice to have a firm grasp on *something*. <g>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Joyce
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 18:06:53 -0800, Fred <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Great loss. Congrats on being firmly a part of the Maintenance losing group!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 18:06:18 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I'm in the groove with the rest of the NYNY maintenance group ... down 1 pound this week
>>>>>>>>... 130. Once again the actual weighin Friday morning was lower, and much as I would love
>>>>>>>>to post anything in that 120 decade ... I'm averaging, and average tells me 130. I'm
>>>>>>>>happy, happy, happy.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Evidentally eating more does help, as long as *more* is within reason. A few weeks prior
>>>>>>>>I think I was existing on next to nothing, watching things just a bit too carefully as
>>>>>>>>well as falling back into the trap of not drinking enough water. Then again, maybe the
>>>>>>>>loss was extra muscle water retention? This week I only managed to squeeze in 2 days of
>>>>>>>>exercise. My own fault, no excuses. I had one or two busy days, then found myself fallen
>>>>>>>>into some sort of a funk - just couldn't drag myself to do much of anything other than
>>>>>>>>whine about everything. Today I took a step into the right direction. Instead of just
>>>>>>>>sitting here, I hauled my butt to the basement and walked for 45 minutes - right back
>>>>>>>>into the old routine. If only I could remind myself how much of a mood lifter the
>>>>>>>>exercise is! I have felt great the rest of today.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Joyce WW starting weight: 228.8 - 2/5/02 current weight: 130 Lifetime: 4/4/03
>>>>>>

and sound northwest. I wish we lived in a state where the capitol had
decent things like trader, thanks anyway, Lee
Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

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According to their website, it doesn't look like it. Illinois locations

listed

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are:

Arlington Heights Batavia Chicago Downers Grove Glen Ellyn Glenview LaGrange Lake Zurich
Naperville Northbrook Orland Park

Most all appear to be more in the *suburban Chicago* local.

Joyce

On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 14:19:21 GMT, "Miss Violette"

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Joyce, is there a trader close to Joliet?, Lee Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

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Flexpoints dear - that's what they're there for! <G> I think I figured

these out

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at 2.5 (or 2) points each. 130cal/2g fat/2g fiber = 2.37US points. I

also was

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out of the skinny cow habit, maybe got a bit tired of them. BUT ...

the

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peppermint ones looked soooooooooooo good ... I am once again hooked.

I

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have

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found that nightly napping has helped to squelch the urge - sleep right

through

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the snacking time. Although it means I am pounding away on my puter at

4AM. <G>

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Has any of this helped? LOL

Joyce

On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 13:18:48 -0600, Prairie Roots <[email hidden]>

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>Oh no!! When you share Trader Joe's discoveries, I read and move on to the next message,
>thankful Trader Joe's isn't located anywhere near me.
>
>But pink peppermint Skinny Cows??!! I'd gotten myself out of the Skinny Cow habit, but now
>I'll have to find a way to cut out some other points to give these a try. Or snowblow the
>entire alley!
>
>Prairie Roots
>232/173.6/WW goal 145 joined WW Online 22-Feb-2003
>
>On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 10:55:45 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>>Yup, pretty deep pink peppermint. I didn't care for the green mint

variety,

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>>tasted a bit soapy to me. But the pink *Cool Peppermint* flavor is

wonderful! I

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>>hope these aren't just a seasonal issue.
>>
>>Joyce
>>
>>On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 16:36:36 -0800, Fred <[email hidden]>

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>>
>>>Peppermint as opposed to the green mint variety? I have to find

those

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>>>(G)
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>>>On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 12:12:32 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
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>>>>LOL! I think the meringues have more of a grab on me these days.

I

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haven't had

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>>>>many skinny cows, seem to have moved out of that habit. BUT ... my

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>>>>had *cool peppermint* flavor last week. I haven't seen that before

so

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had to pick

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>>>>a package up. BIG mistake ... they now keep calling my name. <g>
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>>>>Joyce
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>>>>On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 10:53:09 -0800, Fred

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>>>>>>Thanks Fred! It's nice to have a firm grasp on *something*. <g>
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>>>>>>Joyce
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>>>>>>On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 18:06:53 -0800, Fred

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>>>>>>>Great loss. Congrats on being firmly a part of the Maintenance

losing

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>>>>>>>>I'm in the groove with the rest of the NYNY maintenance group

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down 1 pound

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>>>>>>>>this week ... 130. Once again the actual weighin Friday

morning

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>>>>>>>>much as I would love to post anything in that 120 decade ...

I'm

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averaging, and

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>>>>>>>>average tells me 130. I'm happy, happy, happy.
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reason. A few

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>>>>>>>>too carefully as well as falling back into the trap of not

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>>>>>>>>Then again, maybe the loss was extra muscle water retention?

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week I only

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the old routine.

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>>>>>>>>If only I could remind myself how much of a mood lifter the

exercise is! I have

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>>>>>>>>felt great the rest of today.
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>>>>>>>>Joyce WW starting weight: 228.8 - 2/5/02 current weight: 130 Lifetime: 4/4/03

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Yeah, I know about Flexpoints. And believe me, I use 'em. But I'd rather use activity points than
Flexpoints.

It's funny, I'm at that same point now too. Although, this week the

flexpoints

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seem to have been used more than the activity points. Guess it makes up

for all

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those activity points I DIDN'T use last week. But the dang scale didn't

care

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today. <sigh>

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Honestly, the main reason I avoid having things like this in the house is that after the 1st day
or two of being good and eating just one per day, something flips and I have a hard time
controlling the urge to eat them all at once. I've decided I'm just no longer interested in
beating myself up or wondering what's wrong with me when I'm not able to practice restraint... I
take the easy way out and just don't allow them in the house.

I do understand, and if you have that problem then you are better off

keeping them

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out of the house. The skinny cows don't bother me, nor do the meringues.

1

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package of skinny cows will honestly stay in my freezer close to a month

... and

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the meringues don't go too much faster (unless my daughters friend gets

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them). Bring a cheesecake, chocolate chip cookies, brownies, stuff like

that

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anywhere near me .. and forget it ... I'm toast.

I've never tried meringes. Actually have never seen them here. After reading about them on the ng I
did a google search and found all kinds of recipes, so might try to make some at some point.

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Nightly napping to avoid the evening snack, eh? From what you've said in other posts about
competing for time on your new computer, I'd say those naps serve a dual purpose. LOL

You might have me confused with someone else, I don't have to fight for

computer

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time. There are 5 computers networked together in my house - I will not

share!

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LOL Really, my computer is used for the business and the kids are only

allowed on

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it for sheer desperation - things they can't do on their own.

You're a smart one! Not letting the kids on your business computer. We see it all the time in our
shop, people who run their own businesses and their kids are constantly using their computer to
download music or junk and next thing you know their computer is SICK, SICK, SICK. Of course things
like this can be fixed, but it costs the customer time and money.

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anything should go wrong with it, there is no possibility of me getting

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them. And if they each have schoolwork or whatever to be done, they

aren't

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fighting where I have to listen to it. <g> The napping tends to be from

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exhaustion (my late hour habit) or stress .. or a combo of both. I don't

go on

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the computer in the early evening, hub likes me to keep him company. I

get bored

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with the tv, it puts me to sleep.

My DH spends most of his waking hours in his "room", repairing or making things or being on his
computer, reading newgroups. He's into electronics mostly, but also metalwork and woodwork at times.
Repairs all kinds of electronic stuff, from computers, motherboards to kettles, lamps, and the kids
magic wands! You name it, he can repair it! Needless to say, if he's not repairing stuff at work,
he's doing it at home.

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all night ... catch about 2 - 3 hours of sleep before I have to get up in

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morning. It's a bad cycle that I do need to break - but I really do love

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hours in the dark. <g>

Aren't those few hours wonderful. Nicholas is usually in bed by 7:00 and DH by 9:00 or so, then I
get the place to myself for an hour or so before I go to bed. I love that nice quiet time. My quiet
time is earlier than yours though. If I stayed awake as late as you I wouldn't be able to function
the next day!

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Prairie Roots

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Flexpoints dear - that's what they're there for! <G> I think I figured

these out

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at 2.5 (or 2) points each. 130cal/2g fat/2g fiber = 2.37US points. I

also was

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out of the skinny cow habit, maybe got a bit tired of them. BUT ... the peppermint ones looked
soooooooooooo good ... I am once again hooked. I

have

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found that nightly napping has helped to squelch the urge - sleep right

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the snacking time. Although it means I am pounding away on my puter at

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Has any of this helped? LOL

Joyce

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>Oh no!! When you share Trader Joe's discoveries, I read and move on to the next message,
>thankful Trader Joe's isn't located anywhere near me.
>
>But pink peppermint Skinny Cows??!! I'd gotten myself out of the Skinny Cow habit, but now I'll
>have to find a way to cut out some other points to give these a try. Or snowblow the entire
>alley!
>
>Prairie Roots
>232/173.6/WW goal 145 joined WW Online 22-Feb-2003
>
>On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 10:55:45 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
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>>Yup, pretty deep pink peppermint. I didn't care for the green mint

variety,

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>>tasted a bit soapy to me. But the pink *Cool Peppermint* flavor is

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>>hope these aren't just a seasonal issue.
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>>Joyce
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>>On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 16:36:36 -0800, Fred <[email hidden]>

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>>>(G)
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>>>On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 12:12:32 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
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>>>>LOL! I think the meringues have more of a grab on me these days. I

haven't had

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>>>>many skinny cows, seem to have moved out of that habit. BUT ... my

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>>>>had *cool peppermint* flavor last week. I haven't seen that before

so had to pick

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>>>>a package up. BIG mistake ... they now keep calling my name. <g>
>>>>
>>>>Joyce
>>>>
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>>>>On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 10:53:09 -0800, Fred <[email hidden]>

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>>>>>You mean other than skinny cows and Miss Meringues (G)
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>>>>>On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 10:38:38 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
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>>>>>>Thanks Fred! It's nice to have a firm grasp on *something*. <g>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Joyce
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 18:06:53 -0800, Fred

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>>>>>>>Great loss. Congrats on being firmly a part of the Maintenance

losing

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>>>>>>>group!
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>>>>>>>On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 18:06:18 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
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>>>>>>>>I'm in the groove with the rest of the NYNY maintenance group

... down 1 pound

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>>>>>>>>this week ... 130. Once again the actual weighin Friday morning

was lower, and

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>>>>>>>>much as I would love to post anything in that 120 decade ... I'm

averaging, and

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>>>>>>>>average tells me 130. I'm happy, happy, happy.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Evidentally eating more does help, as long as *more* is within

reason. A few

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things just a bit

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>>>>>>>>too carefully as well as falling back into the trap of not

drinking enough water.

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excuses. I had one or

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funk - just couldn't

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everything. Today I

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>>>>>>>>If only I could remind myself how much of a mood lifter the

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>>>>>>>>felt great the rest of today.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Joyce WW starting weight: 228.8 - 2/5/02 current weight: 130 Lifetime: 4/4/03

like the carbs? Me too, Lee
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Miss Violette said:

this would make a good thread, what is your weakness,

Mine is anything potato, home made cookies, pretty much everything at the moment ;-)
--
Erin in NZ
125/88.5/75 kgs
275.3/194.9/165 lbs

NYNY goal 180.6lbs (82 kilos)

"It is not the mountain we conquer, it is ourselves" Sir Edmund Hilary